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The Vanishing HailStorm
ElitusPrime writes ".NET My Services, Microsoft Corp's high-profile set of XML web services postponed eight months ago, seems to have dropped off the company's 2003 roadmap. .NET My Services, once codenamed Hailstorm, was to comprise 14 services including an electronic online address book and voice mail inbox and was once trumpeted as the vanguard of a .NET web services revolution by the company."
Hopefully palladium (sp?) will be next!
It will not be missed.
Do you remember the time they tried to build their own private internet network ? Was it already named MSN ???
I guess history just repeats itself, as always.
Write boring code, not shiny code!
See, they code-named it Hailstorm so those who thought about it knew this would happen all along.. it can be on the way down but then be gone or have changed in to something entirely different by the time it arrives.
Microsoft using clever names, well I'll be. Maybe I'm reading too much in to this though, it is late..
Microsoft did this a few years ago with .NET itself. Lo and behold it suddenly appeared. When asked why it didn't come sooner, Microsoft said that it was up on the whiteboard but had to go due to timing, departmental and budget issues.
Moral: Microsoft never kills off the technology, they just delay it until they think the time is right.
"And then I visited Wikipedia
There was never really a killer app involved. Companies with a dedicated IT department understand the utility in newer technology, but to the average person, saying something like "This is a revolutionary new technology. It will let you check your email and voicemail! And let you keep an address book!" is hardly compelling. People can already do all of those things with regular HTTP and/or other technology.
In addition, I wonder how many people actually want to have a single online identity for everything? It might be safer then using the same username/password over and over again, but I don't really know if people want to have their every move tracked and databased... although it does seem like a lot of people don't care.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
MS was obviously afraid the hailstorm would damage the bountiful crops in their enterprise garden.
I want the fire back.
Decentralization of critical data is key to security, robustness, scalability, ..., etc.
Translation: Putting all of one's eggs into one basket is not a smart thing to do.
I can't believe that people are even using Microsoft's Passport. I guess by making it a necessity in order to use certain MSN Web services like Hotmail, this was the only way they figured they could attract customers.
Why would I want to store all vital information of mine (SS#, credit card #, name, address, phone, email, etc.) on one sketchy server up in Redmond, WA?
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i am sad that decentralization of critical data is key to security, robustness, scalability, ..., etc. :*(.
What makes a man want to be a mouse? (Python's Flying Circus)
Sociology doctorate? Tell me, do you know how to get from your house to the nearest McDonnalds? Cause thats the only work your going to get, loser!
Considering that they own 95% of the browser market, I always thought it would be very easy for them to include code that would enable easy navigation to domains of their own making, such as ".msn", ".aol", etc. They could bypass ICANN or whoever administers the whole of the Net, and start selling domains or their choosing. No need for plugins, etc, the code would be there, imbedded. What's to keep them from doing this?
I think you have a major paranoia complex.
What you're saying is .NET is actually .NOT?
i am sad that .NET's Hailstorm suite cannot be the next revolution, because no other players (or non-MS fans exersizing some choice) are invited, just MS and their corporate allies :*(.
How? Do you really think that many people use a different username and password for every login they have? The current situation is that your details are spread across a number of hosts, most of which have unknown security. Crack one, and it opens up access to the rest.
Here, for the average user, security is as strong as the weakest link - the most insecure website. Using the same username/password combination for your accounts, and giving that information out wherever you get a new account means that you are implicitly trusting each account granter with all your details. afaik, passport gives you the ability to authenticate somebody without people having to trust you with their password. Yes, you're still trusting microsoft, but it's better to trust a single organisation than many.
Don't be silly. Why should they have multiple authentication mechanisms across a number of sites, rather than a single authentication mechanism shared across them all? They are eating their own dog-food, that's all.
Please, please, please! Do not use "comprise" unless you know how to use it! comprise != is composed of !!!
Example sentence:
14 elements comprise the whole.
which means:
The whole is composed of 14 elements.
I can take spelling errors, but comprise is not a commonly used word, and using it improperly just says you know the word vaguely and would like to show off your "literacy".
j
Remember: MS's MO when a product starts running horribly behind schedule (see: every version of Windows) to start dropping promised features left and right. I wouldn't read much more into it than that, unless somebody has some inside information that's provably not just more spin.
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.NET "My Bob" any day now.
KFG
I remember, Bill Gates said once, that .NET and all-stuff-around-it is the most important Microsoft project ever.
On the other hand, most of the MS success stories happend "just by case". Look on DOS and compare it with OS/2, where MS and IBM invested a HUGE amount of money and people resources. Compare Windows NT (which as "1st tier product" for MS) and Windows 3.1, 9x, ME line. If Microsoft would not drop that old DOS stuff, users never switched to anything NT-based.
So, when Bill said: "This is the most important project", I though: "...and MS have to fail it".
Nothing personal to MS, anyway...
*poor self esteeme
*chronic morbid obesecity
*non existant personal hygene
Huh. Don't forget *poor grammar/spelling skills
does seem to be popular with the big boys though Liberty Alliance so I guess we will be landed with some form of it in the future.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
The first google link for hailstorm is for microsoft's initial announcement. So it's not totally wiped. Still totally vague on what it's supposed to be though (although I did win a game of 'buzzword bingo' while reading it).
Cool, but useless.
I remember in 1995, when the Internet was just starting to bud in the commercial world, MS wanted to kill it.
I went to some Microsoft roadshow in Indianapolis, and they were touting the capabilities of the Microsoft Network, and how everything that was possible on the Internet, was possible on MSN, only better.
It was amusing to some guy in an MS golf shirt demonstrate things such as web browsing, IRC, and FTP and how they would better be served in an MS-only environment.
A year or so later, they abandoned the kill the Internet strategy, and started up their "embrace and extend" policy.
In short, MS got it's ass kicked. They quickly swept that defeat under the rug, and you rarely ever hear about it, which is I'm sure what will happen with this defeat.
Anyone know of a good unbiased comparison between J2EE to .NET? Or biased comparisons representing both sides and talking about the same general set of topics? I'm specifically interested in architectural advantages, not artificial performance tests.
.NET advocate who will blatantly say ".NET is better." The reasons range from "because Visual Studio is great", to "ASP.NET" Web forms are way better than JSP. I'm not trying to attack .NET here, but I'm very curious to know why these folks think it's better. I'm looking for an answer that is a bit more convincing than, "it is."
I'm a J2EE developer, and on most all the message boards I read, any discussion of a J2EE technology will normally be interrupted by some
What has *science* done?!? -- Dr. Weird (ATHF)
I spoke with some of the top guys at Passport who were obviously heavily involved with Hailstorm at Digital ID World 2002 in Denver. They assured me Hailstorm was very much alive, but it had turned into a far bigger project than they had thought. In particular, I remember one guy saying something to the effect of "Well, my conscious is clean, I told Bill 2 years was unreasonable, but did he listen? Of course not". Words pretty close to that.
It may have been a red herring, but I seriously doubt it. I for one don't think Hailstorm has gone - just forgotten, at least for now.
(Slashdot Lexical Patrol)
This addendum may interest members:
"Usage Note: The traditional rule states that the whole comprises the parts and the parts compose the whole. In strict usage: The Union comprises 50 states. Fifty states compose (or constitute or make up) the Union. Even though careful writers often maintain this distinction, comprise is increasingly used in place of compose, especially in the passive: The Union is comprised of 50 states. Our surveys show that opposition to this usage is abating. In the 1960s, 53 percent of the Usage Panel found this usage unacceptable; in 1996, only 35 percent objected."
I guess that means if you say something is "comprised of" 14 elements you're 35% incorrect? Only 4.9 of the elements are actually "comprised of" and the remaining 9.1 are composed of.
Can't the editors get anything right?
KFG
In other news, microsoft will replace the xml capabilities with it's "new and improved" (tm) MSML readable by any MS operating system with required patch (patch not included)
Do you really think that many people use a different username and password for every login they have?
No, but at least now, if I find one username/password combination, i don't necessarily know where else i can try that combination. But if I find out your hotmail password, then I immediately know that I can also jack your ebay account, your MSN account, etc.
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
All the credit card companies have allready decided to go with the liberty alliance so the passport issue is not such a big deal.
For all the talk the major risk from credit card fraud is to shops not customers. You can cancel a credit card payment. This is the major problem with any new system.
It is clear that credit card fraud is possiable so that a credit card company can't just tell you that you must have bought the item or payed for the service. With new services that emphasis their security it will be much more difficult to cancel a payment.
The major reasion why you can't charge for online content is because most people are used to accessing information on the internet for free and are not all that keen on paying.
There are however some pay content sites that have worked, the best model being the supplying of information that has a limited lifetime and high value, such as business information.
The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist. Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes me so mad when people say "oh, he's doing a humanities degree, that's easy". I have to read *2* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical. As for the working at mcdonalds bit, I'm in line for tenure where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great things were done by humanities.
You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life.
The passport stuff is even worst then that.
Microsoft recently released a new game Asheron's Call 2. The only code developed by microsoft in what is otherwise a very excellent game, is the passport billing and authentication system. That is major problem with the game and is causing alot of problems.
First it is limited to worked with credit card companies from only 8 countries. This may of been planned from the DRM side.
Second it has problems with being up, so once you are in the game it is ok, but sometimes you have problems getting authenticated by passport and the microsoft servers. Sometimes it is because the servers are down, othertimes it seems to not find peoples authentication for the first attempt.
Third say you cancel in the middle of a pay period, from that point on the passport system drops your authorization. So no playing until your payment period runs out. On the bright side of this they do warn you about this.
i am sad that it may have been a red herring, but I seriously doubt it :*(.
... hailstorms make YOU vanish!
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Well... yea. So where do I fall in all of this?
According to the other post here, I am wrong in my original comment. Now let me get out from underneath my chair and say this:
It still unquestionably is a sohpism to believe that a lack of objection to amalgamating words implies correctness of usage. Word amalgamation strips language of its granularity in defining thought... and, since we think thanks to language in a large part, it therefore limits thought.
I like to be able to say "beatutiful" of one thing, while "handsome" of another without meaning the same thing.... the distinction adds flavour.
j
i am sad that ... hailstorms make YOU vanish :*( !
It died because _retailers_ realised that MS would be acting as agent between the customers and themselves. This worried a lot of people, not because of security or anything, just because it locked the business model into whatever MS was prepared to provide.
You mean the distinction of one being a word and the other not?
Hailstorm arrives in the summer - so watch out in QII 2003.
I'm a brave anonymous coward
.... that they just cancelled this scheme because Microsoft has recieved a $50 billion contract from the Bush administration for a much improved system. The scheme involves a sensor, in the form of a spike, that will be implanted into the skull of all American schoolchildren from the age of 6 with a pneumatic nail gun. The 6 cm long probe extends into the inner brain and links the human mind to the internet over a SSL connection. According to a spokesman of the Total Information Awareness Office This new aera of cooperation between Microsoft and IAO will greatly enhance the effectiveness of TIAS (Total Information Awareness System) and revolutionize the ability of the US govt to fight domestic US terrorism. Using the system to fight international terrorism might prove difficutl though not impossible since all vistors to the USA will be required to be implanted in customs and it might also be possible to make economic or military aid contingent upon the complete implanting of citizenry of nations who wish to recieve such economic/military incentives, direct military invention migh also be an option when dealing with "rougue states". Microsoft spokesmen on the other hand have been reluctant to comment on allegations by internet news site/discussion forum www.Slashdot.org that this is just another step in the corporations ultimate quest to poke its nose into the private thougts of all humankind with its evil hardware/software and thereby achieve world domination.
... Karma to burn
If you havent noticed by now I will be kind and tell you, That was a sarcastic rant!
Only to idiots, are orders laws.
-- Henning von Tresckow
Fortunately or unfortunately, the Liberty Alliance is "waving the white flag" at Passport, according to this article at eWeek.
Can somebody explain to me what in the hell is .NET?!?! I still don't get it! Is it an ISP, a programming language, a network, what ... ?!
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Soviet sad man is my new god. UBER l33t l33t carry on comrade!
Maybe they wanted it to fail so they can show the world that they are human, and are prone to set backs. Hell they tell us once a month with a security warning.
P.s. Oh if you have to respond as an AC cuz you don't have the balls/ovaries to make a real comment. Go fsck yourself @ the door.
This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
Dissapating? =)
I'll be the first in admitting that English is not my mother language, but, you know, it does sound a little strange to me...
I know! Maybe it's a new acronym! Maybe I woke up in spell checking mode today!
Nah, the summer it is.
Txurlo
Yeh, you're right, but I don't trust MS, and now I can't get customised updates from my local cinema chain cuz they've gone 'passport'
Who on earth says I use the same username/password combination for all accounts anyway? Don't be stupid.
It started off slowly and then just fizzled out altogether.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
when they codenamed Longhorn
Must be an attempt to advert a war with Canada.
Canadian Bacon
Hailstorm might be forgotten, but much of the underlying services are still there. PassPost lives on and much of the hailstorm services has been renamed .Net Alerts.
http://www.microsoft.com/netservices/alerts/defaul t.asp .Alert is a very good idea - something that is completely missing in aol or liberty alliance. It is free for users, but if you want to sent messages it is going to cost you (a LOT-10.000$ for MS Passport and approx .10 $/user per month)
Microsoft announced that they were scrapping / postponing this due to a lack of interest from customers. Basically, people thought (correctly) that it was a stupid idea. A few years back, Microsoft tried selling Office as an online ASP Service over the web. It was a stupid idea and no one used it. Clearly they saw this was going to be the same thing.
None of this is exactly a Red Herring -- Microsoft follows a pattern of announcing some far reaching plan, then seeing who responds / complains and then adjusting / cancelling before they actually make any concrete plans (or most likely write a line of code).
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
Crack one, and it opens up access to the rest.
When not using Passport, this is not true. I have the same login/password for several websites, but I always manually log in. If one of those websites was cracked, how would the others be compromised? Answer: they won't.
it's better to trust a single organisation than many.
We are talking about Microsoft, here. I'd rather have individual logins for each website. Each one is totally self-contained, even if the same username and password is used (see above).
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
Hailstorm, I thought, was .NET's raison d'etre. All these information technology services, implemented under a Windows framework, and a totally redesigned operating system, built to seamlessly integrate them.
.NET server (basically Windows XP Server from everything I've heard), and a somewhat cross-platform (with Mono and all that) and network aware VisualBasic replacement in C#?
So what the hell is it now? Passport,
I'm shocked that more in the Linux community don't avoid this whole thing. Why Ximian is having anything to do with this is beyond me. I think any links with MS right now is a mistake. Linux has no reason to attempt to suckle any of the many teats of MS. Compatibility is one thing, but to think the lion is just going to let you sleep beside him forever is non-sense. When he get's hungry or pissed enough, it's your ass. Mono will eventually find this out. .Net is still largely only a reality in the programming world. Which means technically, it's still not a reality. It's all marketing hype at this point. Until a user can see it, and cyberly touch it it's useless. Frankly, I believe it's a means for MS to spread its code in an attempt to shackle competitors later with licensing. Unfortunately, Mono is just an example of how the bait is working.
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You should tell MS...they put everything in one file "registry.dat"(or something similar, I don't remember)!!! If that gets corrupted, Windows should be reinstalled!!! Unix has it way better with separate files for each application.
By the way, Microsoft is in the position to afford aborting even such grand plans like Hailstorm. It is scary!!!
Do you really think that many people use a different username and password for every login they have?
True, many people (foolishly) use the same username and password for multiple sites... but at least they have the ability to use different ones if they choose.
I take drugs seriously.
Excellent. When AC2 tanks, no game company will ever touch passport authentication again. I was afraid that they'd embed it into something with no real competition that would force people to use it and get used to it...
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
I don't think that the idea of Passport is necessarily bad. (The way Passport is sold, not the demographics harvesting that Passport is actually about.)
There is a problem, which is multiple logins, lost passwords, filling out obnoxious forms, etc. Mozilla and IE partially solve this, but what is really needed is a kind of generalised SSH agent, that contains all of a user's identifying information. This agent would run on the user's machine, and sites would be granted trust on a very limited basis.
In addition to the agent, some changes to xhtml or whatever markup language is being used, attaching semantic meaning to form elements. Things like "given name", "family name", "phone number", etc, would be standardized across all web sites that adopt the technology.
give m$ some credit. maybe they can't pull it off. so they cut their losses, just give it up. better this than a security and bug filled nightmare.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
Changing their Marketing and company focus at the drop of a hat to follow market conditions. IDIOTS!
love is just extroverted narcissism
Yeah, FTP and the microsoft way of treating everything in ascii.
Gave me one helluva hard time in installing (actually downloading) the NVidia drivers for Linux before realising, that some utterly brainless idiot at Microsoft Corp. decided that ascii is the default for FTP-servers.
And from all companies to actually decide on ascii as a default for just about frigging anything the BloatBoys in Redmond would be the last you expect to pull such a shitty.
ich bin der musikant
mit taschenrechner in der hand
kraftwerk
The embrace and extend policy you mentioned is ongoing, and the fools still think they can make the web an IE only place. They are doing this by a combinatin of making IE suck and promotions of horrid M$ only junk like activeX. So while they have changed their tune, the trajectory is the same. It's a stupid policy that will ruin them, because beter free alternatives are available.
The net result is that nothing actually works. Last weekend, I got a real shocking demonstration of just how bad IE really is. My father in law has a windoze 2000 box at the mercy of the smart updater. He has the latest and greatest IE6.0 with all the patches, and he has Norton Utilities to try and fix M$ registry problems and all that. I made a CD full of baby girl movies and tested it on his machine to see what he would see. He did not see much. IE was unable to display thubnails named ".thumb_number.thm.jpg", it was unable to display portable net graphics on it's own and object linking embeding for png and avi was horribly broken. Quick time, set as the default veiwer was able to display png files but not as thumbnails in an index. Media player was unable to display avi films, despite the fact that avi is a microsoft format. Media player played the sound and gave a picture of some stoner screen saver. Quicktime was able to display them on it's own, but IE insisted that Quicktime display inside IE. Everytime you pushed on a link, it piped up a dialog box that asked you if you wanted to run the movie inside IE. The default was yes and "remember my preference". If you clicked "no" it would pop the same dialog again as if it did not believe your first answer. It never remembered the "no" answer. Four clicks to view a movie or one click not to. Quicktime was unable to display the movie inside IE. Eventually, we made a mistake and the default behavior was the broken one. I really could not believe that it sucked that bad. This is the company that would try to manage my online identity?
M$ lost him that day. I downloaded Mozilla for him, it worked perfectly and that was it. This is a guy that gets his news from CNN, had swallowed the M$ propaganda about anti-trust and had an aversion to Netscape over it.
M$ needs to retreat and fix their junk, but it's way too late. They will be overwhelmed by the quality of free software. Bob, MSN, NET, it's all the same noise.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Microsoft's Hailstorm Developers Got This!
Recall that Microsoft renames technical platforms at an alarming rate. This happens so frequently that I conclude it is part of their business model, though I've never understood the advantage of it. Maybe it's a way of locking technical professionals in or out (I'm definitely an outie) by making it unproductively hard to keep up with MS stuff and the rest of the world at the same time. Anyway, is it possible that Hailstorm is alive and well, but about to be renamed to some other meteorological phenomenon, maybe PartlyCloudyChanceofFlurries or something?
mt
IE troll about web standards.
802.11b troll
PDA troll from a guy who says he keeps his PDA in a drawer.
Wow, all in the last 25 comments. Now, above in glorious living print is a C#, Visual Studio, boast, perl smash. No sane person can favorably compare an M$ environment to a free on anymore.
Perl works great for me. Combined with bash scripting, GNU utilities like find, grep and friends, ordinary C/C++ programing, hell even FORTRAN, or any of the other compilers of the GNU compiler collection, and you have unmatched power and flexibility. No other platform offers as much. Find me an equal to ImageMagic. That's just a small example. Most common work is already done and modifying it to your particular case is not difficult. If that's not enough, you might consider security issues and the perpetual "upgrade" path that will break your M$ junk with more junk of equal or lesser quality and utility. In the free world, upgrades improve your old stuff and replacements are generally better.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
I think what you are overlooking is that the one cracked site doesn't have links to every other site you visit. You don't even know where else the person has visited without some other additional research. With the Microsoft strategy, it's all right there in the database.
Nevermind the fact that what "most" people do and what I do differ. If I am concerned about my personal privacy and want to use a different password on each site I visit I am able to.. I would rather have my secrets be kept by many different (untrusted) people who are unbeknownst to each other than one (untrusted) company.
Take a look at your Yahoo! Profile. They have your name, birthday, address, phone number and any information you have ever given to a Yahoo! property. I was shocked to discover information about me on my wife (then fiance)'s profile. Turns out we had ordered plane tickets once and these people diligently tracked and recorded that information.
Yahoo! is a lot more insidious now than Passport ever will be.
Mmmm.. Donuts
So they can copy the same services for an online .Net component.
.Mac.
In the future, look for hailstorm (or whatever name it's released under) to include net backup, calendar publishing, web stuff, and whatever else Apple adds in to
Oh, and probably all the lookup stuff built into Sherlock.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The company I work for continues to be irked whenever "Hailstorm" is connected to Microsoft's .Net stuff. Cenzic (nee' Click-To-Secure) trademarked the term "Hailstorm" for its network testing software long before Microsoft ever started using it.
For all the talk the major risk from credit card fraud is to shops not customers. You can cancel a credit card payment. This is the major problem with any new system.
If you cancel a payment, it will damage your credit history and that is a huge problem for you. Next time you are refused a loan, think about the $5 charge that you cancelled. Companies know this, and this is why they don't follow up small credit card fraud cases. (And by small they mean anything under a few thousand dollars).
MS marches on, and so does .NET. Sorry to disappoint anyone, but Hailstorm is not the same thing as .NET. If you have tried .NET Server, the .NET Framework / SDK, and Visual Studio .NET you would know just how damn good it is by now.
Perhaps they're remodelling it to sell to the government. That new information agency could get into a new level of individual privacy violations by crossing data obtained from centralized data stores as such....
Duh.. no. You do not need centralized payment systems, but you do need functioning clearing houses. This mechanism ensures competition in the payment means market. Standards would be enforced by this clearing house and not directly by the participants. In the case there's more than one clearing house, the government should enforce standards. I just cant figure out why Visa's SET never worked out. I was told that it didnt work due to the lack of processing power of the desktops by the time SET was created (to handle lots of encryption calcs) but it I guess this claim became BS now.
Have you got anything to back that statement up?
Are any of those *books* a dictionary, by chance? Because you need one.
Improved grammer(sic) and spelling skills, my ass. I can't even begin to pick this one apart. Seeing as how it's from an AC, I think I just won't.
Iridar
.Information doesn't want to be anything
... of course, I listed my home country as Uzbekistan... Sean
Hailstorm is still alive due the efforts of Slashdot editors to keep talking about it.
Have you got anything to back that statement up?
This is common knowledge if you are in the US. There are three major credit reporting agencies and there is next to zero government regulation. If they get something wrong, there is no guarantee that you can correct it. The horror stories are routinely featured on television, but no one is doing anything about it.
The only argument I've heard is non-technical and goes something like this: J2EE is hard, meaning that if your company adopts it, you'll have to shell out a lot of cash for expensive J2EE developers - whereas if you went with .net, you could hire cheap pseudo-VB guys/gals. No comment on the truthfulness of this.
The counter-argument that is sometimes heard... yeah, but J2EE is actually HERE - a proven, stable environment. .Net is still mostly vapor.
Sean
The reason the steaming pile of turd you use is free is that nobody will pay for such useless crap. Only unemployed losers, kids still living off mommy and daddy, and Stalin wanabe RMS freaks can stomach that. Sorry, but in terms of actually getting work done, I am willing to spend a few hundred dollars to be able to generate thousands of income. Go back to your toy OS and rant away with all your socialist sodomites.
But only for AOL users, not the general public.
Both browsers have some sort of general keyword system setup so you can type in "cars" and go to some car site... probably. No one uses it though because google will take 'em where they want to go
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
thats not what this guy is talking about - he's talking about chargebacks.
chargebacks are legally protected, and dont damage your credit history at all.
he's a troll, and by making this post, i guess IHBT
... hi bingo
MS is just waiting for all the open source .net clones to make it to stable.
then they will come out with their own version.
"ooh", the suits will say. "ms has come out with an enterprise grade solution."
I'll bet their "trustworthy computing" initiative took up so many cycles that other things are getting pushed back. .nosig
The datastore for MSN 8 is "Hailstorm". I don't think the product is dead... once they have enough people using the new MSN broswer I think it will then be license for use by companies other than MS.
a few years back (not that many) the big thing was Microsoft DNA, which didn't mean anything but was their answer to 3 tier RPC based client server systems. It simply disappeared after a while.
Would the agent also run on my Pocket PC, the PC at my parents, girlfiends, work, at the kiosk at the mall?
About the same time that things suddenly got very quiet about MS-Passport, Microsoft got it's wrist slapped for lying about MS-Passport. In short, it looked very much as if Microsoft were lying about the security capabilities of MS-Passport. Similar discrepancies between marketese and facts exist with .NET and Palladium as with MS-Passport, so expect those two to fall next.