*cough* someone is a little resentful. Don't worry bud; Regardless of what you think, if our jobs are out-sourced it has shit to do with a tatoo, what the kid with the "gay chinese symbol" thinks about it, or how you think your perspective is superior.
As if it will make a difference for one moment, but I would like to point out that all of the people comparing this beta to Photoshop, GIMP, Painter, etc. and criticizing Microsoft for producing it.. maybe could stop for one moment... look into a mirror.. take a deep breath and say to yourself.. "A software company can start and sell products even if they aren't first. I'm good enough, smart enough, and dogganit people like me!"
In a post evening review. I can agree with you. I had some logic and thoughts, but the alcohol last night somehow held them all back and only this came out! =D
So these people are out of work and can possibly implement OSS as a benefit to their community and therefore collect unemployment? Are you kidding me?
Perhaps if they were employees of a gov program that got cut that would make sense, but why would we start paying those that jumped on the high risk bandwagon 80% of their salary. I know a lot of slashdotters are going to be upset at that, but give me a break! Be compoetetive.
IT work means a lot of different things to diff people. I'm interested to see how it goes. If I can influence further changes I will.
Is that NASA is not afforded the opportunity or direction to involve the hearts and minds of the average American in their missions. They are forced to rely on outside help for that (e.b. KSC Visitors Complex) The truly appealing quality of the early missons were that it was NOT safe and was far from routine. That's what brings out the crowds.. thats why Nascar is the fastest growing sport in the U.S. Yet, the primary focus of the NASA mission is Safety!
Safety is no different than security, there is a point where it is a limiting factor. It has to be balanced reasonably to achieve the primary objectives, otherwise it's value is lost.
Return to flight will draw a good portion of Americans back into the program. For that mission everyone will waive their flags and cheer upon success. Shortly thereafter shuttle launches will again be routine and Americans will not involve themselves as much as would please me. But then what government program can't you say that about?
A correlation between when IT started booming in the mid 90's with the demographic of women and men placing themselves in the field, and perhaps the now born children are resulting in mothers choosing to stay home?
That isn't to say that there should be a preference, but it's just something to think about when looking at a decline in women in IT. I have seen it go both ways with my friends. Some find a Nanny, and some make choices to sacrafice their career.
Is that Firefox, and most likely ANY product that attempts to compete with an established Microsoft product will have to face two issues that Microsoft constantly faces: 1) Features take precedence in the development lifecycle forcing security to become an after-thought. 2) As popularity increases, so does visibility which is currently one of the primary factors in determining scrutiny for such issues.
I still prefer Firefox for it's usability features. It wasn't long ago that they got in place a "Software Update Available" mechanism for just these types of circumstances. In turn, people that think Firefox is immune from security issues should look at the past and come back down from their orbit;)
We can already do this "all" and if you think that is what Longhorn is offering you probably need to look more horizontally then vertically at the Longhorn features.
Everything Longhorn has revealed so far can be pointed to in other technologies. Similarly there were many features in C# and the.NET CLR spec that are familiar to previous technologies. If you think at only that level you are missing for forest for the trees.
Longhorn is going to help developers in a big way, with Indigo, and XAML, plus the pretty interfaces brought by Avalon, we should see an even bigger explosion of windows applications, and possibly more use of web services as service providers for applications.
Longhorn is also going to be much more intuitive, but most likely no more so than the equivilant Apple interfaces. The important thing is that it will be a big step forward for the Windows community, after all they are using XP despite Apple products of superior interface being available.
I guess its ok to consider that a crime is a crime.. but when it comes to a scam.. it almost seems like we shouldn't give a f*ck about the people that got scammed.. because more often than not their motives are far from clean. I say let these idiot scammers continue their spamming so long as they pay each and every one of us that are smart enough to know better the cost of our resources and time spent weeding out their crap. If the morons that fall for it bare the cost, so be it.. you really would have to question how they came into a position to maintain anything more than 20.00 us dollars anyway. Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood:)
With the arrival of IE 4.0 I became a serious supporter of the MS browser because they seemed to just get things right. The rendering speed was great, and they supported a richer base of standards for web technology particularly CSS. But here it is 2 major versions later and I am an avid supported of Phoenix, which some may understand to be the version re-named to firebird that will replace the older mozilla packages.
I use Phoenix because they care enough to innovate in an area that MS has all but ignored. It is almost unbearable for me to surf without tabbed browsing now, pop up blocking, and enhanced configuration for what attributes of the browser scripts are allowed to modify, as well as their built in download history add up to create a browser that I feel allows me to determine my own destiny while surfing.
Furthermore as a web developer, the community oriented plugins that allow me to dynamically alter the DOM to enhance things like page layout, validation tests, etc. add fuel to the fire.
I hope that MS will stop working so hard at getting media player integrated into the browser and go back and add the features like tabbed browsing, enhanced privacy, etc. But for now, the best browser out there IMO is Phoenix.
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Maybe not Hailstorm, but therein lies the problem with.NET, it was so broad that MS realized they had just confused most about what their intentions were. If you are a MS developer (as I am) you know that C# is a very viable language and in our shop most of the.NET developers I have interviewed are writing in C#. In my opinion, you seem to be one of the confused that lump all of the initiatives of.NET together (with good reason since MS presented it this way) but I caution anyone that knocks their developer technologies, they are superior to anything that MS has produced, and are very attractive when compared to other technologies.
IANAL.. but heres a quick loophole that came to mind. In his settelement he is not allowed to seel or give the software that he used to anyone, but what if someone h4x0rd his site and stole the source code and set that up? If he chose not to prosecute that individual, could anyone else? I have heard of district attorneys being able to do such a thing so maybe this is not such a good loophole =)
Congrats!! It is that line of thought, one based on reality, that indicates someone that will enjoy life. And before more people start foaming at the mouth.. I do mean to say you can enjoy life and not hurt others while doing it.
Take a look at this video, it is from one of their security groups. Listen to the changes made in Windows 2003 Server. The box is closed by default, does nothing until you enable services.
They've hardened IE on servers, games can't be installed, Services are now being re-worked so they don't require elevated privilages.
People can criticize all they want for the past sins, but I think it's important to keep an open mind about reality.
It's easy to draw lines in our minds as to what a subject means. In reality our lives are complex, our behaviours are complex, even are solutions are often complex sometimes to the point of introducing further complexities. Yet we learn to compromise as a way of getting things done. So laws get passed that are complex, and worse off, they often have tacked on legislation that is moronic when applied to our basic prinipals as a mass. But these things happen, and when we find that we oppose something enough to act on it, then I suppose that if we truly are a ruling republic, we shall act to make things as we want them to be (however complex). I think any more regarding law I am tired of thinking about them. I'm tired of trying to find that elegant solution that like in so many fields just doesn't exist given our current inteligence/moral stance. Anyway, I don't really have a point.. it's far too complex =)
.NET is an infant compared to Java (as it is an evolution) and Mono is progressing at a fairly incredible pace, C# and the CLR are ECMA standards. I run C# console applications compiled in windows on my gentoo box under mono with no issues. In the long run I don't see how your point is founded?
There is more difference than you indicate. To stay with your analogy, it would be to say J2EE is McDonalds and.NET is a super walmart (which also happens to contain a McDonalds). Both are based on virtual machines but a key difference is that the CLR can comsume Java and so far over 40 other languages. The JVM op codes are a sub-set of what the CLR provides. Therefore,.NET can be seen as a logical evolution of the JVM. As for selection of technology based on available developers; again this is something that the CLR is addressing in allowing a C# developer to call into a COBOL (or any other implemented language for.NET)
If i chew on a piece of aluminum foil for even 10 seconds.. my nervous system gets to experience shorting out via the metal fillings in my back teeth.. but whatever floats your boat =)
I was not around, but I do agree that implementation of the technology has everything to do with it's effectiveness. It is entirely possible to write applications in a procedural manner with any object oriented language. And it is easy to write systems that can't see the forest for the trees in ANY language, no matter what paradigm is used. That is to say that programming, as a discipline involves more than writing code, which I believe is another topic altogether.
In my opinion, object technology has done more to allow developers to re-use effort than any other paradigm in development. That isn't to say that the potential of OOP has even been approached. It is rare to find large development shops that have a consistent base of knowledgable OOP developers, and it isn't always necassary; it is very important to have OOP concepts influence the architecture of any system that maintains re-use as a design objective.
Design patterns also play an important role in allowing for a given design to be re-used, consumed, whatever the case may be. OOP related technologies such as UML, Corba, and now many XML based solutions are beginning to mature the field.
I am not as experienced as I would like to be with OOP, but I can say that I have been in the procedural world long enough to realize that there seems to be a divine power in OOP. It makes you *think* entirely different about problems, and by breaking a very large, very complex problem into approachable components. Allowing not only a single developer to build more complex systems, but systems that are well suited for re-use in future or existing systems.
The point is that MS realizes that there are issues with their software concerning security and it doesn't matter one damn bit if they choose to say they want to fix their software for national security. It truly is funny to see the opinions of those that are die hard anti MS zealots trying to dis them for EVERY SINGLE move or blurb. I'm glad the majority of the posts so far are pointing out just how rediculous and hypocritical that viewpoint is.
" O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure.":( I'm pretty sure the/.'ing qaulifies:X
Is that we continue to see companies like Microsoft and IBM looking to change their revenue model to subscription based services. It makes sense, just today I was talking to a friend about what parts I was planning to order to build his computer. And thinking about it, the average user can run most of their average software on a 1ghz intel or athlon board. Microsoft is having a problem getting people to continue upgrading simply because the lifespan of the software as-is is good enough for most. Naturally, the hardware demand will slow when software isn't written in such a way that it requires more horsepower. I think these companies see the writing on the wall. I'm just disappointed that instead of Revolutionizing they would rather rope consumers into some sort of model that doesn't require any extraordinary efforts on their part.
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*cough* someone is a little resentful. Don't worry bud; Regardless of what you think, if our jobs are out-sourced it has shit to do with a tatoo, what the kid with the "gay chinese symbol" thinks about it, or how you think your perspective is superior.
As if it will make a difference for one moment, but I would like to point out that all of the people comparing this beta to Photoshop, GIMP, Painter, etc. and criticizing Microsoft for producing it.. maybe could stop for one moment... look into a mirror.. take a deep breath and say to yourself.. "A software company can start and sell products even if they aren't first. I'm good enough, smart enough, and dogganit people like me!"
In a post evening review. I can agree with you. I had some logic and thoughts, but the alcohol last night somehow held them all back and only this came out! =D
So these people are out of work and can possibly implement OSS as a benefit to their community and therefore collect unemployment? Are you kidding me?
Perhaps if they were employees of a gov program that got cut that would make sense, but why would we start paying those that jumped on the high risk bandwagon 80% of their salary. I know a lot of slashdotters are going to be upset at that, but give me a break! Be compoetetive.
IT work means a lot of different things to diff people. I'm interested to see how it goes. If I can influence further changes I will.
Is that NASA is not afforded the opportunity or direction to involve the hearts and minds of the average American in their missions. They are forced to rely on outside help for that (e.b. KSC Visitors Complex) The truly appealing quality of the early missons were that it was NOT safe and was far from routine. That's what brings out the crowds.. thats why Nascar is the fastest growing sport in the U.S. Yet, the primary focus of the NASA mission is Safety!
Safety is no different than security, there is a point where it is a limiting factor. It has to be balanced reasonably to achieve the primary objectives, otherwise it's value is lost.
Return to flight will draw a good portion of Americans back into the program. For that mission everyone will waive their flags and cheer upon success. Shortly thereafter shuttle launches will again be routine and Americans will not involve themselves as much as would please me. But then what government program can't you say that about?
A correlation between when IT started booming in the mid 90's with the demographic of women and men placing themselves in the field, and perhaps the now born children are resulting in mothers choosing to stay home?
That isn't to say that there should be a preference, but it's just something to think about when looking at a decline in women in IT. I have seen it go both ways with my friends. Some find a Nanny, and some make choices to sacrafice their career.
Is that Firefox, and most likely ANY product that attempts to compete with an established Microsoft product will have to face two issues that Microsoft constantly faces: 1) Features take precedence in the development lifecycle forcing security to become an after-thought. 2) As popularity increases, so does visibility which is currently one of the primary factors in determining scrutiny for such issues.
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I still prefer Firefox for it's usability features. It wasn't long ago that they got in place a "Software Update Available" mechanism for just these types of circumstances. In turn, people that think Firefox is immune from security issues should look at the past and come back down from their orbit
We can already do this "all" and if you think that is what Longhorn is offering you probably need to look more horizontally then vertically at the Longhorn features.
.NET CLR spec that are familiar to previous technologies. If you think at only that level you are missing for forest for the trees.
Everything Longhorn has revealed so far can be pointed to in other technologies. Similarly there were many features in C# and the
Longhorn is going to help developers in a big way, with Indigo, and XAML, plus the pretty interfaces brought by Avalon, we should see an even bigger explosion of windows applications, and possibly more use of web services as service providers for applications.
Longhorn is also going to be much more intuitive, but most likely no more so than the equivilant Apple interfaces. The important thing is that it will be a big step forward for the Windows community, after all they are using XP despite Apple products of superior interface being available.
I guess its ok to consider that a crime is a crime.. but when it comes to a scam.. it almost seems like we shouldn't give a f*ck about the people that got scammed.. because more often than not their motives are far from clean. I say let these idiot scammers continue their spamming so long as they pay each and every one of us that are smart enough to know better the cost of our resources and time spent weeding out their crap. If the morons that fall for it bare the cost, so be it.. you really would have to question how they came into a position to maintain anything more than 20.00 us dollars anyway. Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood :)
With the arrival of IE 4.0 I became a serious supporter of the MS browser because they seemed to just get things right. The rendering speed was great, and they supported a richer base of standards for web technology particularly CSS. But here it is 2 major versions later and I am an avid supported of Phoenix, which some may understand to be the version re-named to firebird that will replace the older mozilla packages.
I use Phoenix because they care enough to innovate in an area that MS has all but ignored. It is almost unbearable for me to surf without tabbed browsing now, pop up blocking, and enhanced configuration for what attributes of the browser scripts are allowed to modify, as well as their built in download history add up to create a browser that I feel allows me to determine my own destiny while surfing.
Furthermore as a web developer, the community oriented plugins that allow me to dynamically alter the DOM to enhance things like page layout, validation tests, etc. add fuel to the fire.
I hope that MS will stop working so hard at getting media player integrated into the browser and go back and add the features like tabbed browsing, enhanced privacy, etc. But for now, the best browser out there IMO is Phoenix.
Maybe not Hailstorm, but therein lies the problem with .NET, it was so broad that MS realized they had just confused most about what their intentions were. If you are a MS developer (as I am) you know that C# is a very viable language and in our shop most of the .NET developers I have interviewed are writing in C#. In my opinion, you seem to be one of the confused that lump all of the initiatives of .NET together (with good reason since MS presented it this way) but I caution anyone that knocks their developer technologies, they are superior to anything that MS has produced, and are very attractive when compared to other technologies.
IANAL.. but heres a quick loophole that came to mind. In his settelement he is not allowed to seel or give the software that he used to anyone, but what if someone h4x0rd his site and stole the source code and set that up? If he chose not to prosecute that individual, could anyone else? I have heard of district attorneys being able to do such a thing so maybe this is not such a good loophole =)
Congrats!! It is that line of thought, one based on reality, that indicates someone that will enjoy life. And before more people start foaming at the mouth.. I do mean to say you can enjoy life and not hurt others while doing it.
"Thinking About Security: Secure by Design, Secure by Default, Secure in Deployment and Communications"
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?x
Take a look at this video, it is from one of their security groups. Listen to the changes made in Windows 2003 Server. The box is closed by default, does nothing until you enable services.
They've hardened IE on servers, games can't be installed, Services are now being re-worked so they don't require elevated privilages.
People can criticize all they want for the past sins, but I think it's important to keep an open mind about reality.
It's easy to draw lines in our minds as to what a subject means. In reality our lives are complex, our behaviours are complex, even are solutions are often complex sometimes to the point of introducing further complexities. Yet we learn to compromise as a way of getting things done. So laws get passed that are complex, and worse off, they often have tacked on legislation that is moronic when applied to our basic prinipals as a mass. But these things happen, and when we find that we oppose something enough to act on it, then I suppose that if we truly are a ruling republic, we shall act to make things as we want them to be (however complex). I think any more regarding law I am tired of thinking about them. I'm tired of trying to find that elegant solution that like in so many fields just doesn't exist given our current inteligence/moral stance. Anyway, I don't really have a point.. it's far too complex =)
.NET is an infant compared to Java (as it is an evolution) and Mono is progressing at a fairly incredible pace, C# and the CLR are ECMA standards. I run C# console applications compiled in windows on my gentoo box under mono with no issues. In the long run I don't see how your point is founded?
There is more difference than you indicate. To stay with your analogy, it would be to say J2EE is McDonalds and .NET is a super walmart (which also happens to contain a McDonalds). Both are based on virtual machines but a key difference is that the CLR can comsume Java and so far over 40 other languages. The JVM op codes are a sub-set of what the CLR provides. Therefore, .NET can be seen as a logical evolution of the JVM. As for selection of technology based on available developers; again this is something that the CLR is addressing in allowing a C# developer to call into a COBOL (or any other implemented language for .NET)
If i chew on a piece of aluminum foil for even 10 seconds.. my nervous system gets to experience shorting out via the metal fillings in my back teeth.. but whatever floats your boat =)
I was not around, but I do agree that implementation of the technology has everything to do with it's effectiveness. It is entirely possible to write applications in a procedural manner with any object oriented language. And it is easy to write systems that can't see the forest for the trees in ANY language, no matter what paradigm is used. That is to say that programming, as a discipline involves more than writing code, which I believe is another topic altogether.
In my opinion, object technology has done more to allow developers to re-use effort than any other paradigm in development. That isn't to say that the potential of OOP has even been approached. It is rare to find large development shops that have a consistent base of knowledgable OOP developers, and it isn't always necassary; it is very important to have OOP concepts influence the architecture of any system that maintains re-use as a design objective.
Design patterns also play an important role in allowing for a given design to be re-used, consumed, whatever the case may be. OOP related technologies such as UML, Corba, and now many XML based solutions are beginning to mature the field.
I am not as experienced as I would like to be with OOP, but I can say that I have been in the procedural world long enough to realize that there seems to be a divine power in OOP. It makes you *think* entirely different about problems, and by breaking a very large, very complex problem into approachable components. Allowing not only a single developer to build more complex systems, but systems that are well suited for re-use in future or existing systems.
The point is that MS realizes that there are issues with their software concerning security and it doesn't matter one damn bit if they choose to say they want to fix their software for national security. It truly is funny to see the opinions of those that are die hard anti MS zealots trying to dis them for EVERY SINGLE move or blurb. I'm glad the majority of the posts so far are pointing out just how rediculous and hypocritical that viewpoint is.
" O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure." :( I'm pretty sure the /.'ing qaulifies :X
Is that we continue to see companies like Microsoft and IBM looking to change their revenue model to subscription based services. It makes sense, just today I was talking to a friend about what parts I was planning to order to build his computer. And thinking about it, the average user can run most of their average software on a 1ghz intel or athlon board. Microsoft is having a problem getting people to continue upgrading simply because the lifespan of the software as-is is good enough for most. Naturally, the hardware demand will slow when software isn't written in such a way that it requires more horsepower. I think these companies see the writing on the wall. I'm just disappointed that instead of Revolutionizing they would rather rope consumers into some sort of model that doesn't require any extraordinary efforts on their part.
Wheeeeeeeeee!!
hmmm..