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Drama in the Desert

Rerekuka writes "Imagine your home town is built on a moonscape, epic in cracked earth, hard sun, dust storms, thunderstorms, rainbow sherbet sunrises and tie-dyed sunsets that move you and your neighbors to applause. Imagine art born from 25,000 of your closest friends, from you, lining the streets and filling the dustbowl playa: a radiant cathedral built from recycled plastic "stained glass," a filigreed temple-mausoleum filled with messages to friends who have passed on, a coffin made of gun metal, a Tesla coil taunted by a wacky scientist, an art and philosophy-lined labyrinth, oases sprouting lawns and ferns." There's been a lot written about Burning Man; I especially like Bruce Sterling's report about it for Wired in 1996. Read on for Rerekuka's review of Holly Kreuter's book about the festival. Drama in the Desert: The Sights and Sounds of Burning Man author Holly Kreuter pages 144 publisher Raised Barn Press rating 9.5 reviewer Nina Rene Soreco ISBN 0-9721789-0-2 summary Multimedia immersion into the Burning Man culture. Imagine the only vehicles in the streets are art cars, like behemoth metal dragons spouting fire and spaghetti western covered wagons. Imagine strangers who would read to you from William Carlos Williams, offer you a snow cone or a Margarita. Imagine folk costumed in everything and nothing imaginable. Imagine walking into any jazz joint or grilled cheese stand, or getting your hair washed or your feet massaged, and your money is no good because this town operates on a gift economy. Imagine that everybody Leaves No Trace. Imagine diversity coexisting with common ritual - ritual based on radical free expression and purification by fire. Imagine a place where creation and impermanence, innocence and experience, the ridiculous and the sublime, are honored as facets of the same jewel. Imagine this is no fantasy.

Drama in the Desert: The Sights and Sounds of Burning Man is a compelling multimedia chronicle of life in Black Rock City, hometown to some 25,000+ "burners" who gather yearly over Labor Day week for the Burning Man festival in Nevada's Black Rock Desert. The book and accompanying DVD contain the stunning photography of Holly Kreuter and the artwork and voices of Burning Man participants, including an introduction by bestselling author Dave Eggers and a foreward by Burning Man founder Larry Harvey. The 74-minute DVD is, in Kreuter's words, "the book on steroids." Produced by Michael Lazar, the DVD showcases 560 of the author's images in a frame as large as your screen, and includes interviews with some of the artists and Larry Harvey. Sean Abreu's mesmeric, tribal soundtrack to the DVD is available separately. The CD drew mystified appreciation from a coworker who meandered into my cube, the DVD is an immersive meditation, and the book, gorgeously designed by Lisa Hoffman, has found its home on this reviewer's coffee table.

"How was it?" she asks, and attempts are made.
- Shannon Coulter, in a poem by the same name

Holly Kreuter's full-color images (283 in the book, 560 in the DVD), spanning five years of Burning Man citizenry, artwork, events, and land- and skyscapes, are captivating, both in the subjects she chooses and her own interpretive style. Some of the photos are stark and disturbing, such as the deteriorating iron, mesh-fleshed skeleton kneeling on the ashen earth, howling at the sky. Some are vibrant and whimsical, like the many-hued, body-painted folk in one mischievous tableau, the Ice Cream Freezing Man truck, the colorful, life-sized "chess" board, the city aglow with lights and electro-luminescent (EL) wire. Then there's the artwork, bewitchingly captured by Kreuter, that just falls into the "astounding" category: the Plastic Chapel, the Faces, the Temple of Tears, the Emerald City, the man made of books. The images of the tornado-esque dust devils, spinning like dervishes off the blazing 100-foot Man, are epic.

The book is sprinkled with diverse forms of word art, from haiku to narrative, written in strokes as broad as the spectrum of art at Burning Man. Overall, the writing is strong and bold; in a few places, it is a bit uneven or could be pared down, but these instances are minor. Writers include luminaries such as Free Will astrologer and author Rob Brezney, poet and author William L. Fox, and Chris Taylor, San Francisco bureau chief for Time Magazine.

All of the stories are intimate and real, describing journey, vulnerability, humor, awe, magic, and epiphany. One woman speaks of her initial shyness about slipping into the hot springs nude. (She gets beyond it.) John Kelly's testosterone-infused "Let Me Be Dangerous" dreams of riding in the back of a pickup truck going 60 on the playa:

. . . "Mind if I catch a ride?" I asked.
"You fall, you die," the driver answered.
"That's fair," I said.

Rob Brezsny speaks of an experience common in Black Rock City: "I have never in my life felt surrounded by such relaxing fertility, by so much luxuriant conviviality. For many days now I have glided without even a taint of fear through a city of 25,000 people. Unknown allies and I have spotted each other from a block away and run to each other like long-lost friends from previous incarnations . . . I have been in love with more than a few women in my life, but this is the first time I've plunged into the throes of spiritual infatuation with a time and place."

Tom Kramer's simple "Together," describes a premise intrinsic to the Burning Man community, a Buddha gift ripe for the world:

That we appear
separate
is the illusion.

At one time
the desert was
a mountain.

And we were children.

Holly Kreuter has been a Burning Man participant since 1995 and a staffer for Burning Man since 1997. She also founded Raised Barn Press, the production and publishing company that lovingly produced Drama in the Desert.

If you are a citizen of Burning Man ensconced in your everyday life, Drama in the Desert is a soulful trip Home. If you haven't been, Kreuter's collection is a playful, evocative dip into a culture as rich and exotic as can be found.

Experience samples of the text and images from the book, the DVD, and the separate CD at www.desertdrama.com, where you can also order the collection. www.raisedbarnpress.com will get you to the publishing company, a story in itself.

. . . in the great fire
my heart is burnished

brushed
and burned clean

in the great fire
I fall in love again
only this time
I am awake
and the azure sky is as transparent as my imagination

-Mark Jan Wlodarkiewicz, My Heart Has Been Burned Clean

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194 comments

  1. nothing like an early post in the morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good morning, kids

  2. Live on the scene! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First post from the surface of Ragol!

  3. puke by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The artistic side of Burning Man is such bullshit. It's like any other post-modern gathering, it's based on drugs and fucking. Anyone else who shows up is there to watch stoned people have orgies.

    1. Re:puke by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      If you have to travel all the way out to the desert for stoned orgies, you're not making the right kind of friends in your own home town.

      You don't have to travel out into the desert for the things Burned Man is _accused_ of being, as pretty much all first-hand Burning Man accounts have pointed out.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    2. Re:puke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some of us make the right kind of friends but have the wrong level of sexual attractiveness.

    3. Re:puke by seanmeister · · Score: 2

      The artistic side of Burning Man is such bullshit. It's like any other post-modern gathering, it's based on drugs and fucking.

      thanks for sparing me the need to say that. I used to believe I wanted to go to Burning Man, until I saw my friend's video from BM 2001. Nothing but babbling idiots on ecstacy and nonstop thumping goddamn club music. Kinda glad I skipped it!

    4. Re:puke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe I speak for the rest of America when I say: "How dare they have a good time!"

    5. Re:puke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful? No, it is a troll.

    6. Re:puke by antis0c · · Score: 2

      I agree. But not because you were moderated up for it. I took the time to browse some of the image archives at Burning Man.

      I came to this conclusion. It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Granted some of the pictures are interesting, and some of the "art" is creative, the vast majority of it doesn't make any sense to begin with. For example, there's a picture of some guy dressed only in tin foil. Another guy wearing an oversized Campbells Soup can. Then the vast naked women with their naked bits painted with creative designs. Some of the people are dressed up like they've seen Mad Max one to many times. I mean, to me all this looks like is a huge college party.

      You can't try and slap some spiritual meaning or inner understanding to this "party". It's plain and simply a huge ass co-ed college party. Sex, drugs, things done for shock value. Thats it. I don't see anyone writing a book about me if I go running around naked outside with shit painted all over me. But when 25,000 people get together and do it, it's awe inspiring. Bullshit.

      --

      ..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
    7. Re:puke by burn+burn+burn · · Score: 1

      You are so right on the money. I went to Burning Man twice for a creative experience, and was totaly asaulted buy young, glassy eyed girls trying to suck me off. It was so anoying. And all those huge art projects people spend yeard making- those are just there to lure the usnunsuspecting out so the girls will have man meat. Disgusting. Ihear next year that they are going to make it manditiory for all "art" to dispense Ecstasy. You might as well stay at home with some tall boys and porn.

    8. Re:puke by ideonode · · Score: 1

      Post-modern gathering? No, just a modern gathering. I think that the urge to reduce things to simple monikers isn't always productive. Think of Burning Man as one or more of the following:
      - drugs and fucking
      - commercial bullshit
      - rich yippies trying to get back to their roots
      - poor stoners telling rich yippies that their roots were in Harvard, so fuck off back there, please
      - an attempt to cohere around a new symbol of spirituality that doesn't necessarily adopt the cultural baggage that a traditional religion carries
      - a search for meaning and identity in an age when the supposed ghost in the machine has been exorcised
      - a place where cool things happen
      - a striving to bring into existence an American version of the pagan mythos that is the predominantly European western esoteric tradition
      - a banal re-imagining of The Wicker Man
      - a place where, y'know, you can watch, like, cool stuff
      - all and none of the above

    9. Re:puke by eyeball · · Score: 1

      Well put. You sir are my hero.

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    10. Re:puke by hoggoth · · Score: 2

      > [I] was totaly asaulted buy young, glassy eyed girls trying to suck me off. It was so anoying.

      Nice troll... You've just ruined the NEXT Burning Man when 50,000 Slashdotters show up looking for young glassy eyed girls :-)

      --
      - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
    11. Re:puke by Trick · · Score: 2

      "You can't try and slap some spiritual meaning or inner understanding to this "party". It's plain and simply a huge ass co-ed college party. Sex, drugs, things done for shock value."

      This based on looking at some of the images on a website? That's a far, far cry from having actually *been* there. I'm also really curious where the "sex, drugs" part of your opinion came from, since neither are depicted in those pictures.

      It's always fascinating to me how quickly some people will dismiss anything they don't understand (or just don't want to take the time and effort to understand), and will find a way to make any evidence they can find fit their preconceived prejudices.

      There are a lot of elements of Burning Man that don't translate well to still photographs; things like the shared experience of the burning of the man come to mind, the camaraderie that develops in a vast, empty expanse of desert, and the *sounds* of the place -- everything from loud music to quiet conversations to distant drumbeats.

      I'm not going to try too hard to convince anyone who thinks Burning Man is a load of crap otherwise -- it's not for everyone, and it's probably better off without those who think it's just some giant drug-induced orgy. As someone who's been several times, though, and has *yet* to run around naked, paint myself, or witness an orgy (though, admittedly, I have been known to take a drug or two), I can say that the experience is vastly different from anything you might be able to view in a browser window.

    12. Re:puke by Laxitive · · Score: 2
      it's based on drugs and fucking.

      Sweet! I am SO down with that.

      -Laxitive

    13. Re:puke by PD · · Score: 1

      Oh great. Now it'll be based on drugs and fucking and projectile diarrhea.

    14. Re:puke by seanmeister · · Score: 2

      I believe I speak for the rest of America when I say: "How dare they have a good time!"

      Hey, I'm not saying that people, you, and the rest of America shouldn't be allowed to do whatever the hell they want to do at Burning Man. I'm just saying it's not for me and I'm glad I didn't waste the money on it.

    15. Re:puke by Foresto · · Score: 1

      "The artistic side of Burning Man is such bullshit.


      I don't know whether you have actually been to Burning Man, but suffice it to say that I had a very different experience than the one you suggest. New friendships were forged, and old ones were strengthened. I found amazing works of art, clever uses of technology, beautiful dance performances, impressive hand-built structures... I could go on and on.

      I suppose you could spend all your time in the desert on drugs and fucking if that's what you were looking for, but you would be missing so much great stuff! (And probably failing to contribute to the festival as well.)
    16. Re:puke by fciron · · Score: 1

      Maybe this says more about your buddy with the camera than anyone else.

    17. Re:puke by susano_otter · · Score: 2

      Actually, this pluralism of styles, philosophies, and standards is exactly what postmodernism is. Modernism is quite different.

      Burning Man is pretty much the archtypical postmodern event--so far as anything postmodern can be thought of as "archtypical", of course. One of the core concepts of postmodernism is the rejection of fixed archetypes.

      When you say that Burning Man cannot be narrowly or exclusively defined, what you are really saying is that Burning Man is postmodern, by definition.

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    18. Re:puke by budalite · · Score: 2

      Pretend you've been modded up for Funny. :})||

    19. Re:puke by tazameir · · Score: 1

      Ahhh...
      So I assume we wont be blessed with seeing you at our gates ever again then?

      Thats ok though, I wont mind too much, and I'm sure most of the others will get over it. :)

      C.

      --
      "Life is an endless stream of choices" - Cyrus Redblock
    20. Re:puke by bitchazz · · Score: 1

      LOL! Sorry, no mod points PD. Otherwise +1funny ;)

    21. Re:puke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that anybody that hasn't experienced Burning Man is qualified to criticize what it is or isn't. It's entirely possible to go out to Black Rock City and shoot a video full of crazy naked people on drugs dancing to club music at any one of several rave camps.

      It is also possible to shoot just as much video of intricate high-art pieces of immense scale that no museum would ever be able to exhibit based purely on size.

      I've been to the last three burns and have seen creativity and imagination manifest itself in momentous ways that leave me feeling like a little kid. There are so many amazing things to see out there that you eventually have to give in and make yourself comfortable with the fact that there's no way to see it all, no matter how badly you want to.

      Sure, if you want to go and see naked girls and drink beer and waste the experience, go right ahead. Just don't tell me that's all there is to Burning Man because that's never what it has been for me.

    22. Re:puke by hitchhikerjim · · Score: 1

      absolutely! Thanks for putting it so well.

      I love postmodernism. So many of our modern aesthetics are about defining things and telling people ahead of time what they are and what they mean. We decide what something is going to be, and then it automatically follows our expectations.

      Postmodernism allows for chaos, and from within that chaos patterns emerge on their own. Postmodernism allows us to re-evaluate where we stand. Often we come to the same conclusions... but sometimes now.

      And yes -- Burning Man is the ultimate postmodern experience. If you go with no expectations, the chaos that surrounds you eventually forms patterns that make sense. It's good that way.

    23. Re:puke by jcbarlow · · Score: 1

      So, uh, you haven't actually been there, then?

    24. Re:puke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you've never been there, or are brainwashed by the media.

      I've been to just about every BM celebration. TRUE, if you fuck up, you could die. It's not the most hospitable plave on earth, but that's the point.

    25. Re:puke by sfjoe · · Score: 1

      I was at Burning Man in 2001 and wondered why I drove all that way. I saw nothing there that I couldn't see on a typical Saturday night in San Francisco - or any city with a vibrant art community for that matter. The only thing I saw at Burning Man that I don't see in a big city was a county sheriff driving by every 15 minutes peering into people's homes to see if they're smoking pot.

      --
      It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
    26. Re:puke by julian.snail · · Score: 1
      I hung with the "Campbells Soup can" guy. Ouchy the clown was drinking his soup. You describe it fairly well. Tin foil. Nudity. Lots of Mad Max. For me it is a combo of absurd, silly, fun, and spiritual.

      I didn't get a lot out of most of the college parties I went to (though a few were fun). I totally loved last Burning Man.

    27. Re:puke by DgIlSeTnUnRB · · Score: 1

      Nobody can possibly know what Burning Man is like or about unless they have actually been there and experienced it. I'm not saying that if you go your opinion about it will change, some go and never "get it", but then at least you will be able to trash Burning Man with first hand experience and your comments will be more than just a rant.

      Oh and please don't say it's too expensive and it's just for wealthy people, that's just a load of crap. I have gone the last two years (and will go again and again) and I've never been accused of being financially well off, not even close.

    28. Re:puke by jewelz · · Score: 1

      1. I'm curious as to whether you've ever attended. 2. The follow up comments are just KILLING me! Highly entertaining. Obviously (and thankfully) it's not for everyone. Anyone that expects it to be easy or predictable is going to be disappointed. It's OK to not want to go. Really. Now, would you please work my shifts and feed my cat? cheers, jewelz

    29. Re:puke by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2


      you don't have to be wealthy to go, you just have to have fucked up priorities.

    30. Re:puke by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      1. Fuck 2. You

    31. Re:puke by xaotica · · Score: 1

      that's what i was wondering, too. i have a lot of opinions on burning man, but i've never been. so i wouldn't even think of saying "this is what it is"...

    32. Re:puke by xaotica · · Score: 1

      argh. i tried to post a long message and it said i hadn't waited two minutes... then when i hit back, it all disappeared. anyhow. why is it a fucked up priority to want to travel? i've never seen a desert, so i'd be curious about this event regardless of whether it's art or not.

  4. We had the jon katz option... by ostiguy · · Score: 2

    where is the dirty hippie option in preferences?

    ostiguy

    1. Re:We had the jon katz option... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Cornerstone. http://www.cornerstonefestival.com/index.cfm

      --I've always considered it to be the Christian answer to Woodstock, altho I haven't been to the festival since ~'95.

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      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  5. ...a Tesla coil taunted by a wacky scientist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Do not taunt Happy Tesla Coil.

  6. Life-sized chesspieces..... by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 1

    I'd go to see a stoner orgy that used life-sized chess pieces.

    --

    You can only be young once, but you can be immature forever.
  7. 25,000 of your closest friends by YellowSnow · · Score: 1

    this is /. you're talking to here, or is that the total number of close friends the /. community has?

  8. soundscape by Caez · · Score: 0

    Are they the same group who makes a soundscape with many little speakers that create different random sounds from nature?

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    http://www.mistersampo.com
    1. Re:soundscape by Caez · · Score: 0

      yes, they are http://nw.com/nw/projects/aural/ interesting

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      http://www.mistersampo.com
  9. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...books review you!

  10. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine your home town is built on a moonscape, epic in cracked earth, hard sun, dust storms.... dustbowl playa: a radiant cathedral built from recycled plastic "stained glass," a filigreed temple-mausoleum filled with messages to friends who have passed on, a coffin made of gun metal, a Tesla coil taunted by a wacky scientist, an art and philosophy-lined labyrinth, oases sprouting lawns and ferns

    What is this? A new Doom level?

    1. Re:Hmmm by Queelix · · Score: 1

      Frag those f*cking campers!

  11. You find what you look for. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When it comes to patterns emerging from chaos, you see what you look for (like clouds). If you, like most young American males, care only for intoxication and copulation, then that is all you will find.

    People who believe that "everyone is a theif at heart" only say that to justify their own black, dishonest heart.

    1. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      lay off the crack pipe, you self-important cocksucker.

    2. Re:You find what you look for. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Timothy Leary is that you spouting nonsense from the afterlife?

    3. Re:You find what you look for. by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Give the guy a chance! Maybe hes Christian and only sees the stuff he doesnt like or cant have: intoxication and copulation. Though your point still stands as being correct.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    4. Re:You find what you look for. by Trick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure how this got modded down, because it's very true. Maybe it was the overgeneralization of young American males... Anyway...

      I've been to a few burns myself, and you're right -- there are a lot of people who go for drugs and fucking. However, there are also very many (probably many more than the D&F contingent, though I've never taken a poll) who *don't* think the art scene is BS. There are also people who look at Burning Man as a sort of spiritual pilgrimage, those who view it as an experiment in community-building, and those who see it as a giant bass-thumping rave.

      That's one of the great things about Burning Man -- it's very hard to pin down what it is, because it's so many things to so many people. And, like the parent post mentioned, if you go looking for drugs and fucking, you'll probably be able to find plenty of evidence to reinforce your bias.

    5. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      I find the notion of temporary art appalling. Art is meant to be permanent, a lasting mark on the world. Destroying everything you create is the ultimate in asinine stupidity.

      That leaves only drugs and fucking as possible attractions to Burning Man. Both are worthwhile pursuits, if you're at the age where drugs make sex better, but I've outgrown that.

    6. Re:You find what you look for. by slurpee1 · · Score: 1

      hey, some of us take exception to that crack-pipe crack.

      have you been to burning man? didn't think so. do you review movies only from the trailers you catch on ET? thought so.

      would you deny some body's experience of burning man simply because you're too shallow to see similarities of it to yourself? whoops, existentialism creep.

      push away from the tube and turn of tv. you need to get out more. -but not to burning man, please.

    7. Re:You find what you look for. by Trick · · Score: 2

      History's filled with people who find others' notions of art "appalling." Obviously, what you think art is "meant to be" is different than some other people's.

      Are you suggesting that it's impossible to have a different view of what art is than yours? That seems a bit arrogant.

    8. Re:You find what you look for. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 2

      Thank you for putting that so well. I was struggling to come up with the same thing, myself. It's really like anywhere else in the world. Different groups and subcultures represent themselves, and the crowd you hang around greatly influences your experience.

      It's a strange microcosm of the rest of the world, really, with the freak factor magnified 100x. You even end up with neighborhoods in Black Rock City. Certain areas will be a large cluster of rave camps, and such, and some people end up thinking of them like a bad part of town, that they want to avoid.

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      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    9. Re:You find what you look for. by dogfart · · Score: 2
      I find the notion of temporary art appalling.

      So you find jazz improvisation apalling as well?

      --

      "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

    10. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      I'm saying it's arrogant to create art that you don't intend to last. That's stealing from culture and history. You demand that someone be present at the time of creation to enjoy your creation? Fuck that. Art is a statement, not an experience. Art-as-experience is a nihilistic, intellectually bankrupt, culture-rotting crock of shit.

    11. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      For the most part, yes, unless it's captured as a recording and charted for posterity.

      What if Michaelangelo painted the sistine chapel and then painted over it? What if [your favorite musician] wrote the most brilliant song ever written, and never bothered to record it or write it down? The world would be denied the greatness of the work.

      I understand what people are saying when they want art to be temporary or just some instance in time, but I think it's the ultimate in cultural self-destruction to do so.

    12. Re:You find what you look for. by ruprechtjones · · Score: 1

      There is no arrogance in creating art that you do not intend to last. Art can be the statement, art can be the experience. It is subjective, and open to interpretation.
      My scuptures are meant to fade and decay over months, until there's nothing left but a pile of junk in a half year. I do not demand that anyone be present at the time of their creation, nor do I demand that they stay and watch the decay. It's my art, I did it for me and to explore something new with each design. If other people want to see what I'm up to, cool. I steal no culture or history from these creations.
      Your blanket statement on art is a nihilistic, intellectually bankrupt, culture-rotting crock of shit. You're one of those loudmouths we hear at the museum, noisily complaining that Warhol sold out.

      --
      Kip Hawley is an idiot.
    13. Re:You find what you look for. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's sad that your view of art is so limited. I prefer to look at art as a person's expression of the world they see around them. The lasting mark they leave on the world may be less material than you're looking for, such as one human's heart who learns something they hadn't thought of before.

      For an outstanding example of temporary art, check out Andy Goldsworthy.

    14. Re:You find what you look for. by qengho · · Score: 2

      Art is meant to be permanent, a lasting mark on the world.

      So all the actors, musicians and singers who plied their trades before audio and video recording was invented are "nihilistic, intellectually bankrupt, [and] culture-rotting"? The Greeks of the Age of Pericles would probably take exception to that. Art is a means for the artist to express him- or herself. Permanence is not a necessary condition. Hell, an audience isn't even necessary.

    15. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      No, that just means that pericles was the real artist. His work endured, the actors' didn't.

      Art is always valuable to the artist no matter whether it lasts for 10 minutes or 1000 years, but it's not culturally significant if it isn't permanent. I feel that any artist that isn't striving to be culturally significant is wasting his/her time, because art is humanity and if you don't want to contribute to humanity, then you are a selfish bastard(ette).

    16. Re:You find what you look for. by sgage · · Score: 2

      kin_korn_karn seems to be quite the asshole.

      Art is no good unless it's recorded? Music is no good unless it's recorded? What utter, unremitting bullshit.

      k_k_k has a very constipated sense of art.

      How is a live musical performance that doesn't get recorded "the ultimate in cultural self-destruction"?

      A culture had better be alive. Not just archives.

    17. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

      A living culture like you speak of creates an ongoing record. One that reverts to ADD-like "moments" of creation is stagnant and will die.

    18. Re:You find what you look for. by DMC · · Score: 1
      it's not culturally significant if it isn't permanent

      I disagree. Cultural significance does not come from an entire culture having access to the moment. Entire cultures have been built on stories told from one generation to the next.

      Burning Man is not limited to the one week a year we gather in Black Rock. There are several regional events popping up everywhere that happen throughout the year. Each one is unique and still a part of the larger BM culture of community and art. It is an entire culture built on the idea of temporary structures and places.

      These temporary moments are passed around by those who experienced the art. It invigorates and encourages human interaction. IMO, that is worth just as much as being one of the faceless millions who have stared at a picture on a wall somewhere.

      Storytelling is an artform too.

      IMO,
      Ranger Kabau

    19. Re:You find what you look for. by jewelz · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend that you check out the documentary "Rivers and Streams" regarding temporal art.

      The creation of temporary art is stealing from culture and history? I disagree.

      Actually, your entire statement is confusing and makes no sense. Art not experiential? Huh? I think that you just wanted to use "intellectually bankrupt" and "culture-rotting" in the same sentence regardless of validity.

      Good luck in your art endeavors,
      jewelz

    20. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      you miss the point. The storyteller's story lives on, as its medium is the memory of the inhabitants of the culture. But you notice that cultures built on oral tradition usually don't have access to a more permanent medium? If they knew how to write, the artist could have preserved his/her story as it was supposed to be.

      There are a lot of paintings from europe that were destroyed in various wars or lost to thieves or whatever. We have written descriptions of those paintings, and in some cases we have sketches of the paintings themselves. The written descriptions definitely do not equal the paintings, and while the sketches get closer, they still don't have the color, brushwork, lighting, etc. The faceless millions are the ones who 'don't get it'. The USA doesn't train people, it trains workers, so very few people here (as a percentage) really understand art.

    21. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      I want my great grandchildren to be able to listen to my music. If I don't write it down or record it, they won't be able to. If I were to become an important figure in music (not much chance of that now, but hypothetically speaking) I would want to be known for the ages, not just by the small amount of people that heard me when I was alive.

    22. Re:You find what you look for. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...more like Person in a big hurry to get more errands done; i think i would like to register when i have time...
      I have never heard that it's irresponsible not to "insure" that your art is accessible to the _whole_ world and must last forever. The artist creates in as permanent or as temporary a medium as possible, according to the artist's personal creative desires...supposedly, if it's Truly Sublime Art, it will be preserved & spread by those who enjoy it, throughout the ages--the artist doesn't really have any control over other's perceptions and opinions of his/her art.
      However, I wouldn't call art that cannot last, or that has a scheduled destruction date, less valid. Is the musician who improvises at unrecorded concerts irresponsible, because there can be no lasting record of the melodies created?

      It seems contrary to the ephemeral nature of matter and living forms to make immortality the aim of our artistic creations. Sure, if you want your great-grandkids to be able to hear your music, make the attempt to preserve it. It all depends upon your public, though, as to whether or not it will be available two generations from now.

      xina

    23. Re:You find what you look for. by xaotica · · Score: 1

      you said that you feel it's arrogant to create something which isn't going to last. i think it's far more arrogant to create something for the purpose of gaining recognition, whether in life or in death, rather than for the sake of creating it. the most beautiful moments in my life haven't lasted. they couldn't; by very nature they were transitory. i don't see how that makes them worthless or shallow

    24. Re:You find what you look for. by xaotica · · Score: 1

      i've never been to burning man, so i object to what you're writing only on a philosophical basis. have you been? i feel that any artist who is striving to be significant is wasting their time and everyone else's. if you strive to be significant, you are not contributing to humanity.. you're trying to contribute to your own ego. if you create for the sake of creating, because it is like living, because there is no alternative, because it is from the heart... that to me is a contribution. the world doesn't need more people trying to be recognized

    25. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      it doesn't make them worthless or shallow, but I can't experience anything about them. That's where permanence comes in. If they were so beautiful, why don't you want to share them with the world? The world needs more beautiful things, not self-centered people hoarding their own little pieces of happiness.

    26. Re:You find what you look for. by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      the world needs more people trying to be recognized for the right reasons.

      You can contribute to your own ego and to humanity at the same time. Do you think Edison wanted to make a light bulb because he felt a great need to help humanity see in the dark? No, he wanted to patent it and become rich and famous. That makes it no less of a contribution to humanity.

      I just don't see the point of creating art in order to destroy it. What if you had a child, and killed him/her 30 seconds after birth? That's a creation, that you destroyed, and it's a pretty apt analogy for an artist's work.

  12. Re:Drugs and F*cking? by reezle · · Score: 2

    Well I don't do drugs anymore, but I still haven't outgrown the other... Count me in!

    (Come'on, I can't be the only slashdotter that gets laid, can I?)

  13. Burning Man not what it was. by mcgroarty · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Burning Man is a huge commercial event now. It's not what it used to be, and we're due for something new.

    If you've only seen the photos and seen the press coverage, there's one alternate view in JWZ's journal.

    1. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 2

      Burning Man is a huge commercial event now. It's not what it used to be, and we're due for something new.

      Then shut the hell up, and do something about it. Or you you honestly think that you're "due for something new?" That the world owes you freedom of self expression?

      You need to get out there and take it back.

      Need some help getting started? Check for a regional event in your area:
      http://www.burningman.com/calendar/regional .html

      If you're on the East Coast, there's a great regional called Playa Del Fuego that you should check out:
      http://www.playadelfuego.org/

      Maybe one of them has what you're looking for.

      --

      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    2. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by slurpee1 · · Score: 1

      hello? commercial? name *1* corporate sponsor or promotion anywhere at burning man. you can't because your ticket price is the tax. there is no corporate underwriting. i take it back: ice and coffee are for sale but only because of the losers who can't figure out what they'll need... but no logo's!

    3. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      try selling food at bm without their vendors license or without giving them their cut and you'll see commercial.

      try publishing a picture of the burning man on your web page without identifying their copyright claim to your photo. if your page is at all popular you'll hear from them.

    4. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...because we all know that logos are the *only* sign that something is "commercial". Try checking the link of the parent post.

    5. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by slurpee1 · · Score: 1

      who *sells* food there? if you notice, it's a gift economy. that means a spontaneous giving of something valuable (metaphorically) with out expectation of receiving: kinda like xmas (note sarcasm). sometimes the gift economy morphs into a barter situation. but who gets a cut? the man? larry harvey? if there is licensing it is because to the jurisdiction of the camp. pershing county or some state office is the recipient.

      as for the copyright thing, the burning man organization has *no copyright* on any photographs you image at the event. except if you attempt to *sell* and make profit from it. then they get upset. as an example i googled "burning man photos" and clicked this link: http://www.rain.org/~philfear/burngallery.html . please note there is no deferral of copyright to the burning man organization. you'll find plenty of examples of people streaming video and showing images. but NOT for profit. and NOT in any way which might appear sanctioned by the burning man organization.

      the burning man event exists not as an island with perfectly defined borders: money out there, no money in here. but it exists as a dynamic, living entity with many touch points in the surrounding bureaucracy. it costs over $500,000 -alone- for the permit from blm. sure there are money exchanges at many levels but as you approach the essence of what the burn is about, money is all but forgotten. and so is commercialism.

      all the commercialism is in reno *before* you get to brc :)

    6. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Then shut the hell up, and do something about it."
      Getting people talking and aware of a problem is a good way to start. Telling people to shut the hell up isn't a good way to make people talk or listen to you.
    7. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by mcgroarty · · Score: 1

      We'd be so much better off if people would focus less on the delivery and more on the message.

    8. Re:Burning Man not what it was. by JasonAsbahr · · Score: 1

      Try Flipside, http://www.burnaustin.org

  14. drugs and f***ing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I went twice -- '96 and '98.

    I didn't do any drugs

    I didn't get laid.

    I had an amazing time.

    1. Re:drugs and f***ing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you didn't try hard enough then.

  15. Uh huh. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where thousands of the wealthiest and most powerful pay scads of money to celebrate anti-commercialism and equality. Gag me with a fucking spork; the hypocrisy is going to make my skin peel.

    --grendel drago

    --
    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Uh huh. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where thousands of the wealthiest and most powerful pay scads of money to celebrate anti-commercialism and equality. Gag me with a fucking spork; the hypocrisy is going to make my skin peel.

      That's not really true. Have you been there? It really doesn't take much to come up with $150 for a ticket, and you go there with just the clothes on your back, if you've got a true gift to offer. Sure, there's lots of yuppies who sit in their RV's until it's time to burn the man, but you really don't see to much of them.

      Just stay away from the main attractions, and you'll see the real participants. You'll see the most beautiful things of your life.

      --

      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    2. Re:Uh huh. by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      you go there with just the clothes on your back, if you've got a true gift to offer.

      So you go there with the clothes on your back and your true gift, then?

      Coming up with $150 for the ticket isn't the only expense, of course. You still have to buy or barter for transportation, food, water, art supplies, shelter, &c. When many of my acquaintances go, they expend significantly more treasure than the $150 that the ticket costs. They claim that the experience is worth the couple thousand dollars worth of resources they expend to get there, stay there, and get back, but sometimes I'm not so sure... it seems possible that they've bought into the Burning Man hype, and that their resources would be much better spent getting a job, keeping a job, saving some money, repairing their cars, furnishing their homes, or any one of the ten thousand other things that don't involve spending money they can't really spare on some sort of overhyped "celebration of anti-commercialism and equality".

      No doubt I'm missing out on something really good and special by avoiding Burning Man, but on the other hand, I seem to live better the rest of the year than almost anybody I personally know who makes the effort of going. Certainly I spend the rest of the year with less dodging of creditors. As far as I can tell, you need a certain minimum commitment to commercialism and conformity to even be able to afford Burning Man, without taking a significant hit to your overall quality of life.

      It was probably much better in Soviet Russia, where Burning Man would come to you.

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    3. Re:Uh huh. by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 2

      Actually, I spent significantly more than the price of the ticket, because I had to travel there from Baltimore, and I brought food & water. I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone show up without food, water, and shelter, but my point is that it can be done, and plenty of people do it.

      A lot of people overprepare, though. Renting an RV, for example, is a ridiculous way for most people to experience the event. Granted, there are always exceptions, and someone who is really making an effort to participate can always do so, but it can easily be an isolationist act. Practicing isolationism is a great way to completely miss the experience.

      I think that the trick is to prepare just enough so that your needs are met, and you don't become a burden on others, but no more. Just find something that you can offer as a gift, and don't just buy a box of 1000 glow sticks, there's plenty of that already. If you give freely, people will do the same for you.

      As far as I can tell, you need a certain minimum commitment to commercialism and conformity to even be able to afford Burning Man, without taking a significant hit to your overall quality of life.

      Absolutely. Just like you need a certain minimum commitment to commercialism to buy a tuna sandwich in this country. This is America. Capitalism rules supreme. The only way to avoid commercialism is to hold the event outside of America (or any other country which practices capitalism), but, even then, anyone traveling there from a capitalist society would still need money to leave their country, so it's unavoidable.

      The point of a Temporarty Autonomous Zone, like Burning Man, is to give you a break from that, not to replace it. Just to sidestep it for a moment, then allow us to return to our lives. Hopefully, everyone that was there takes a little bit of it home with them, and maybe even carries the philosophies on to their daily lives. It doesn't directly change the world, but it changes the people who live in it, which can be just as good.

      --

      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    4. Re:Uh huh. by dogfart · · Score: 2
      Renting an RV, for example, is a ridiculous way for most people to experience the event.

      Well... There is plenty to experience at Burning Man, without also experiencing sleeping in the dust. Handling the RV was itself an experience. An RV should not be an excuse to isolate oneself, but creature comforts help a lot in making it bearable.

      Just find something that you can offer as a gift, and don't just buy a box of 1000 glow sticks, there's plenty of that already.

      Drat, and we thought this was such a great idea. No wonder we didn't make many friends there. Isn't there a Burning Man FAQ somewhere that talks about stuff like that?

      --

      "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

    5. Re:Uh huh. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      without taking a significant hit to your overall quality of life.

      That is, if working to stay a step ahead of the creditors, being gainfully employed and commuting in a nice car could be called anything other than slavery.

      If I did go, I would tell my coworkers that I went camping. I find that if people hear you're out doing things, they tend to think you're pretending to be something your not.

    6. Re:Uh huh. by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      That is, if working to stay a step ahead of the creditors, being gainfully employed and commuting in a nice car could be called anything other than slavery.

      Slavery to what, exactly?

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    7. Re:Uh huh. by briareus · · Score: 1

      The stuff you own...

    8. Re:Uh huh. by susano_otter · · Score: 2

      A farmer must plow his fields to grow his crops. Is he a slave to his land? He must feed the horse that pulls his plow. Is he a slave to his horse? He must keep the plow in good repair, and sharpen its blade on a regular basis. Is he a slave to his plow?

      Your definition of "slavery" appears to be directly contrary to the normal usage of the word. You're saying that all ownership is slavery to the thing that is owned, when normal usage defines the thing owned as a slave to its owner.

      Reversing the convetional meanings of words is a clever rhetorical trick, and can be useful for shocking an audience into re-thinking of their current paradigm. I assume you have a coherent, well-reasoned argument in support of your position on slavery. Care to share it?

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    9. Re:Uh huh. by xaotica · · Score: 1

      the only people i've known who have gone have been minimum wage workers. but anyway, is that really why people go? to "celebrate anti-commercialism and equality"? it seems like if that was your main reason you'd do something else that didn't cost money. but i wasn't ever under the impression that that was somebody's main reason for going

  16. Re:Drugs and F*cking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bet a dime to a dollar your cull line is non-existent.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  18. the dark/a mere bag of shells/drama in reel LIEf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    imagine working hard in your cave/hovel for 30-40 years, then, all of a sudden, as if buy magic, some evile borg-like thing comes & takes most of your belongings, eXPlaining that you keeping the proceeds of your hard work, was unimportant compared to the borg's knead to have a bigger slothmobile, etc....

    exciting, or what? mod US up robbIE, IT remains awfully smelly DOWn here.

  19. the dark daze? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that what you meaNT to say, you clone you.

    do you think posting crud on /. will bring an end/more recognition, to deceptive corepirate FraUD? what an ediot.

  20. Twice Burned by dogfart · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Been there twice. Book sounds right on as far as the art and attempt to build a community goes. Some amazingly well crafted art, some incredibly funny stuff (the parking meter in the middle of nowhere...). The temple is even better than the Man, IMHO.

    Burning Man is not for the fastidious - you are in an alkaline desert with no public facilities. We took a rented RV (complete plumbing, etc.). These small comforts cost a bit. The rental places are hip to this event, and they require an entire week's rental. The Oakland El Monte RV rental place is very cool, the guy in charge knows the Burning Man head honcho, has Burning man posters all over, etc.

    I get a sense though that all the talk about community really applies to the few hundred hard-core burners. Not much effort is made to integrate newbies into this community. You sort of have to wander around and find thing hit-or-miss. Maybe this is a flaw in other intentional communities, where insiders are tightly knit, and outsiders may feel unwelcome.

    Lots of neat stuff there however a realistic portrayal would also show zero visibility dust storms, long lines at porta-potties, etc. There are also several notorious speed traps along the road - Nevada Highway Patrol must make a mint here. It was not always a comfortable experience. Knowing what to bring is very important. For example, lots of old terry cloth towels, to wipe off the dust. Oh, and bring some sort of beverage to share with your neighbors, and do so as soon as you get there. Helps break the ice and you get to know the folks in your vicinity.

    If you go, stay over Sunday night for the Temple burn. Also, as it tends to be windy, maybe a large kite to pass the late afternoons

    --

    "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

    1. Re:Twice Burned by slurpee1 · · Score: 1

      build it - burn it!

    2. Re:Twice Burned by Foresto · · Score: 1

      "lots of old terry cloth towels, to wipe off the dust"


      You wiped the dust off? Heck, I stopped bothering after the first day. One gets used to the ever-present dust after a while. In fact, I sort of missed it when I returned home.
    3. Re:Twice Burned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ANd some other good advice... pick your Black Rock City Address long before you get there.

      Before you go, visit their web site, and learn in advance where the cool places are for you to "Live" at.

      BRING A BIKE!!! Read the "Survival guide". COME PREPARED... bring your OWN food. You cannot buy food once you're there. They only sell coffee.

      Other camps may have food, but they are not allowed to sell food (they can give it away of course).

      If you've never gone, I highly recommend it. As a permenent resident of Black Rock City, it's a Great place to live (At least for that week).

      It can get bitter cold, boiling hot, rain, wind, and just about any other nasty weather condition one can imagine. That's why people don't live there all the time. In fact, it's mosty underwater during certain times of the year.

    4. Re:Twice Burned by dogfart · · Score: 2
      And I almost forgot...

      Put some sort of very bright blinky-flashy-colorful light in your vehicle!

      If you don't you will NEVER find it after you get back from the burn!

      (in the dark, all RVs look alike)

      --

      "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

  21. Happy Tesla Coil by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Tesla Coil.

    Caution: Happy Tesla Coil may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.

    Happy Tesla Coil Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.

    Do not use Happy Tesla Coil on concrete.

    Discontinue use of Happy Tesla Coil if any of the following occurs:

    • Itching
    • Vertigo
    • Dizziness
    • Tingling in extremities
    • Loss of balance or coordination
    • Slurred speech
    • Temporary blindness
    • Profuse sweating
    • Heart palpitations
    If Happy Tesla Coil begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

    Happy Tesla Coil may stick to certain types of skin.

    When not in use, Happy Tesla Coil should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration...

    Failure to do so relieves the makers of Happy Tesla Coil, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.

    Ingredients of Happy Tesla Coil include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.

    Happy Tesla Coil has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.

    Do not taunt Happy Tesla Coil.

    Happy Tesla Coil comes with a lifetime guarantee.

    Happy Tesla Coil

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    1. Re:Happy Tesla Coil by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Yes, but is it still legal in sixteen states?

      --
      Just junk food for thought...
  22. Lot's of geeks at bman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are a *lot* of geeks at bman. I was reading with interest the previous single chip linux computer article as it sound perfect for an art project I have with 1400 ultra-bright LEDs. The home brew radio stations number in the dozens, and there are always tons of interesting robotics, laser, LED, and other projects. You get out of bman what you put into it.

    1. Re:Lot's of geeks at bman by Hex4def6 · · Score: 1

      Off topic I know... Do you know where you can buy Ultra brights in bulk? I dont want to spend hundreds of dollars to get 500 LED's.

    2. Re:Lot's of geeks at bman by Zarnoff · · Score: 1
      Here are some examples of various geek projects at Burning Man:

      L2K Ring around the Man
      http://www.synaptick.net/l2k/brg_article.html

      Shadow Engine
      http://sub-zero.mit.edu/fbyte/projects/shadowengin e/

      Beaming Man
      http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/galle ry/burningman/wilcox.html

      Telestereoscope
      http://www.eyestilts.com/

      You'll find a bunch more here

  23. imagine ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    Imagine walking into any jazz joint or grilled cheese stand, or getting your hair washed or your feet massaged, and your money is no good because this town operates on a gift economy. Imagine that everybody Leaves No Trace. Imagine diversity coexisting with common ritual - ritual based on radical free expression and purification by fire.

    I suspect you'll have to imagine pretty hard - especially that "leave no trace" stuff ...

    1. Re:imagine ... by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, there's a bit of a battle going on there, between the "true believers" and those who just want to party. The latter group can be seen tossing beer cans in anything that looks like a trash can, and the former group can be seen following them around, picking up the beer cans, and taking them back to their own camps for disposal.

      It works out surprisingly well, actually. A lot of people don't mind doing it so much, since there's plenty of people to spread the burden (the former group still outnumbers the latter, at least until the last couple of days). It's a pretty good feeling, to be walking across the playa, and happen upon a bit of trash. It's like a treasure, and you cram it into some overstuffed pocket, and hold onto it all night long, until you can make it back to your camp.

      --

      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    2. Re:imagine ... by dogfart · · Score: 2

      They do get pretty close to the "leave no trace". Bureau of Land Management requires this as a condition of their continued use of the playa. BLM checks both immediately after the event and after the first strong rains in the winter (to catch items buried under the dust). Considering 25,000+ people, the playa is amazingly free of trash.

      --

      "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

    3. Re:imagine ... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      That's why we keep the incinerator out back, er, I mean why we're gonna purify you by fire ;)

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    4. Re:imagine ... by 3Bees · · Score: 1

      Credit where credit is due! The DPW carries a large part of the praise for the resulting no-trace condition. They spend months cleaning the place up, and months more building the next one.

      That being said, BRC is a nigh trace-free encampment.

      --
      "I think we should tax people who stand in water! " - Mr. Gumby
  24. woodstock like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remember woodstock? how about woodstock II? were'nt the same were they? woodstockII may well be the future of burningman.

    1. Re:woodstock like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and remember woodstock III when they burned all that shit? oh, wait...

  25. Shouldn't This Be Free? by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Shouldn't this book be free? And where are all the photographs? Shouldn't they be free, too?

    Two years I went to Burning Man and got violently ill. It was too fucking hot, and I ate too much roasted papaya. A doctor in nearby Ralston, Nevada made me wait for hours in a tiny waiting room. There were no windows, no white sheets of protective paper on the prep table, and only a single mason jar full of tongue dispensers. On the wall was a calendar from 1977.

    Anyway, this doctor -- he was an old guy, maybe in his 70's -- took all kinds of blood tests, urine samples, you name it -- but said, finally, it was a bad papaya. He advised me to pack up my shit and head home.

    And then, just as I was putting my clothes on -- I'm not kidding -- he launched into a speech about hippies in the 1960s and how his son fought in Vietnam and how when his son came home, nothing was ever right in his son's head. He claimed that these burning people -- that's what he called them 'burning people' -- were hippie wanna-be's too young to protest in Vietnam and too dumn to understand the thing they shoulda be protesting was Ho Chi Minh, not the US government. I asked him: did he vote for Nixon? He said, yeah, he sure did, and then I reminded him that Nixon was just this side of a wack-job.

    The doctor didn't like that and ordered me to leave his waiting room. I grabbed my shirt and shoes and shorts and on the way out wondered if he was going to give me anything for my stomach.

    "Give you what?" he yelled. "You fucking peacenik."

    I said, wait a minute hoss, I'm no peacenik. I came here under the assumption that guys like you were bound by the oath of hippocrates to help out all the peaceniks and hippies and burning man washouts.

    He said to hell with that and said he didn't want to see me in his office again. I brought shame to him and his son.

    "My son," he yelled at me as I walking across the parking, "fought for hippies like you. He was in Marine and got a piece of NVA shrapnel in his arm which corroded and rusted and caused a rot that nearly ate off his whole arm."

    I yelled back: Where's your son now, old man?

    He said he's in a VA hospital in Galveston. His arm is shot, he smells bad, and he has a drinking problem.

    "So much for Vietnam, then," I yelled, got in my car, and fishtailed out of the parking lot. I stopped at a drugstore down the street and picked up a bottle of Milk of Magnesia, and spent the night in a little motel in Henderson, Nevada. I puked a couple more times, but all was well the following morning.

    I put a couple dollars worth of quarters into a couple of old slot machines, and won enough money to get me across the desert and into Idlewild -- another hippie-type community at the foot of the San Jacinto mountains. Last I heard, my father was supposed to live there, but when I went to the address I had for him, the house was occupied by a woman named Sylvia who threw pots and knitted sweaters. She invited me to stay for supper and told me that she knew my father but had no idea where he left when he moved out.

    Anyway, I drove around the desert for a couple more days, then headed back east. I work at a tech company, so I was glad to get back home.

    All in all, my own Burning Man experience was a disappointment. Months later, however, I got a bill from the doctor who treated me in Ralston. He charged my three hundred dollars for the office visit.

    I wrote 'Fuck You' across the bill and sent it back.

    1. Re:Shouldn't This Be Free? by MisterFancypants · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The doctor sounds like he was right on, you fucking smelly hippie.

    2. Re:Shouldn't This Be Free? by benzapp · · Score: 1

      This has to be one of the funniest posts I have ever read on any board anywhere. I really hope its true.

      --
      I don't read or respond to AC posts
    3. Re:Shouldn't This Be Free? by ohboy-sleep · · Score: 2

      And then he went off to see his girlfriend in Canada.

      Oh and as he was leaving he, uh, fought off some ninjas. Yeah, that's it. Ninjas.

    4. Re:Shouldn't This Be Free? by chobee · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This reads just like The Catcher in the Rye. If you enjoyed this jacked-up post that is funny and tragic at the same time, check out the book. Salinger is the author for those who don't know.

      -Cho

    5. Re:Shouldn't This Be Free? by bogie · · Score: 2

      Who fucking cares if its true? A good story is a good story. That's the most I've been entertained by a non-Funny post here in ages.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  26. Analogy by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2

    Burning Man is William Shatner's version of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" come to life. And no, that's not a good thing...

  27. Hrrm by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Troll

    Now imagine a bunch of freaks and weirdos getting together with a bunch of junk, taking drugs, and going out of their way to prove themselves "more artistic than thou". Then watch as they try and do as many oddball things as possible to desperately cling to the notion that their meaningless lives have some sort of purpose. Hey, if you can't have a purpose that is actually productive, at least you can have an anti-purpose that tries to demonstrate to the world how "cool" you are.

    Most teenagers go through this phase (e.g., Goths), and grow out of it. It's really pathetic when they don't.

    --
    Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    1. Re:Hrrm by eyeball · · Score: 2

      Well put. I couldn't agree with you more. I speak as an ex-goth, ex-punk-rocker, ex-nihilist. I don't see a problem with going through that as a phase as long as the person eventually grows out of it. It makes me sick to see grown people (i.e.: 30 year olds) still anti-establishment. Ugh.

      --

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      2B1ASK1
    2. Re:Hrrm by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Speaking from a 47 y.o. viewpoint... People outgrow those phases when they get past the stage where they've got nothing to lose, and go beyond the point where being part of the tribe means more than truly thinking for one's self. Of course, some people never do grow up, and never learn that parroting any dogma that goes "against" something else is not exactly "freedom of thought".

      I've got nothing against such festivals, and some of the elements have their place (catharsis can be useful). But too often they're used to reinforce an essentially irresponsible way of life (such as was too often the case with the hippie era).

      And there's another name for people who never outgrew being a hippie or whatever anti-establishmentness: Loser.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    3. Re:Hrrm by dogfart · · Score: 2

      True. Some people just aren't fortunate enough to mature into the "cynical curmudgeon" phase of life. Pity them.

      --

      "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

    4. Re:Hrrm by ruprechtjones · · Score: 1

      "More artistic than thou"

      Now *this* statement sums up what Burning Man has become. Of course, the guy got a Troll mod, but that is all I saw year after year: more and more psuedo-oddball, psuedo-goth, psuedo-"I've got a statement that the world needs to hear" kids that aren't quite sure what to make of the older hippycampsters and their group art. So they pop their X, chant loudly so's to fit in, and loudly exclaim their blanket "art is..." statements. Of course, you'll find this at any large event involving the right side of the brain, a little pop culture, and a lot of people trying to discover themselves.

      --
      Kip Hawley is an idiot.
    5. Re:Hrrm by eyeball · · Score: 1

      And there's another name for people who never outgrew being a hippie or whatever anti-establishmentness: Loser. :)

      --

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      2B1ASK1
    6. Re:Hrrm by eyeball · · Score: 1

      Oops. I meant to put that smiley-face on it's own line. I should've previewed. :)

      --

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      2B1ASK1
    7. Re:Hrrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it's clear you have no idea of what you're talking about. Sad, really.

    8. Re:Hrrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, maybe you should get out of your parents' basement a little more often. Maybe meet a few people, it's okay, they are not that scary!

    9. Re:Hrrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess: your one of those sad, pathetic "look at me I'm trying to be cool but I'm really a total follower" goth, right?

    10. Re:Hrrm by xaotica · · Score: 1

      but how do you grow out of being a freak or weirdo if you actually are freaky and weird? i wouldn't argue with your premise that many people just pretend to be freaky and weird for peer recognition. but i also feel that there are people who are genuinely strange/eccentric/not identical to whatever society's idea of "normal" is. so it seems like it would be really lonely to be continuously surrounded by people who had decided you were a freak and a loser if that's what you really were..

  28. Re:Drugs and F*cking? by RY · · Score: 1

    Hands don't count.

  29. Excellent! by Resident+Geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are some pretty wild things going out out in the desert--people find all sorts of applications for technology. Some are artistic, some are practical. One of my friends is learning how to build a flame cannon...I learned engineering skills to make a temporary, stable structure (a 33' geodesic dome). The cool thing is that each of the people behind the projects they bring will gladly share what they learned. The free software community and the Burning Man ideal aren't so different when it comes down to it.

    --
    Fighting the War on the War on Drugs.
    http://smokedot.org/
    1. Re:Excellent! by insanecarbonbasedlif · · Score: 1

      .... The free software community and the Burning Man ideal aren't so different when it comes down to it.
      Fighting the War on the War on Drugs. http://smokedot.org/


      Fighting "The War on the War" on Drugs... maybe you really are on drugs... you accidently said "the War on" twice... just being helpful.

      And which war is this that you have to take drugs to fight in?

      --
      Just because I doubt myself does not mean I find your position compelling.
    2. Re:Excellent! by nathanm · · Score: 2
      I learned engineering skills to make a temporary, stable structure (a 33' geodesic dome).
      Did you really learn engineering skills, or did some guy show you how to build a geodesic dome? There is a difference.

      Unless you learned how to do a structural analysis of a geodesic dome, or something similar, I'd conjecture that you learned simple construction techniques, not engineering.

      Besides, you could've learned how to build a geodesic dome from a number of websites, without even leaving the comfort of your home.
  30. No Trace... by Guitarsenal · · Score: 0

    I would challenge you to visit the Black Rock playa right now and try to identify the location that hosted the event. "Leave No Trace" really works at this event.

    1. Re:No Trace... by slurpee1 · · Score: 1

      if they can get out there. the playa is probably a mud bowl this time of year.

    2. Re:No Trace... by meatball_mulligan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What realy 'works' are the amazing number of people who bust their asses cleaning up after people who do go just to party. Part of me was really excited to see this article posted because Burning Man is such an amazing thing and I want everyone to share in the experience. Another part of me sees the kinds of posts that have followed and thinks these people should stay home. Are there drugs and sex at Burning Man? Yes. Is that what Burning Man is all about? Only for the moronic frat boys that show up the last couple of days to get f-ed up and ogle women. For the rest of us, it's a week to be amazed at the freedom one feels being in a place totally devoid of any commercialism, being amazed by the creativity and generosity of thousands of people who've come to share it with you, and giving what you can back to the community.

    3. Re:No Trace... by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      a place totally devoid of any commercialism...

      Barter is still commerce, you know.

      If Burning Man were truly devoid of any commercialism, you'd make your resources freely available to anyone who wanted them, without regard for receiving value in exchange. You'd move from camp to camp, taking anything that struck your fancy, without any concern for ownership or permission to do so.

      As it is, I get the impression that most attendees intentionally bring trade goods which they hope to exchange for the goods and services which they haven't brought. If that isn't commercialism, I don't know what is.

      --

      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    4. Re:No Trace... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No commercialism in the case of B-Man means there is no advertising for Ford or Walmart, and you can't go anywhere within miles to buy a Coke or a Big Mac (though you can buy coffee at center camp). B Man is what's known as a 'gift economy', and most people do bring things to give away as gifts - from back rubs to shoes to sunscreen & chapstick to you-name-it. And yes people trade & barter sometimes, and rarely cash even trades hands - but you don't need cash or trade-able items to have an amazing time. You're Home.

  31. Re:puke QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    though, admittedly, I have been known to take a drug or two

    Sorry, but you just blew your wad of credibility. Anyone who takes drugs has severe personality problems anyway, so your opinion of how this is some special event beyond a bunch of freaks being freaky is pretty suspect.

  32. This is slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you expect this bunch to comprehend the notions of joyful chaotic synchronicity, self expression and freedom? Please. Half this bunch is under thirty, and still thinks all truth can be found in a physics manual. Humbug on your notions of humbug! Live!

  33. I have to say... by Lysol · · Score: 3, Informative

    that the drug thing is pretty true. I tried bm a few years back and it was definitely an experience. i liked a lot of the crazy shit. and i think there were a lot of genuine people there for the community and the art and the whole 'journey'. i can definitely understand just wanting to get the hell away from 'civilization' as one can.

    but on the other hand, i felt a huge disconnect there. i'm not the raver type and just wanted to hang out with people, check stuff out, but there was definitely much more of a non-stop party than i really wanted. all party and no one to share it with i suppose.

    however, one cool thing i did was to walk across the playa, find some friends, who in turn followed some dj in a big rolling fish bowl with speakers and monitors all over back to some 'club' in the middle of nowhere. it was interesting, but i didn't care much for the music so i headed back the way i came. the dust storm was incredible. i would just see people and vehicles and weird shit come out of no where. luckily i wasn't run over cuz people are all over the place in their art cars.

    anyway, off in the distance i heard motors and drumming. i walked by and there were these mad max cars circling this big artsy wooden thing (no it wasn't the man), shooting flames at it, torching it. also lined up next to one of the cars that stopped were these drummers banging out a steady tribal rythm on their drums. pretty surreal.

    so, yah, i guess you can take whatever you want from that place. there were definitely dorks, but also cool people and whatever else you wanted there. for me, it was definitely an experince and i like weird shit, but i'll probably never go back. just not my thing, really.

  34. It Doesn't Get Any Better by DrSartorius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Been reading through some of the comments about burningman. Pretty typical. There's a tendency for people that haven't been there to blather on about it having become "commercial" or how it's just a big drug party/orgy whatever. When the truth is that the person complaining is too lazy to get out to the desert to see for themselves. Burningman is extreme by design.
    If you haven't been to Burningman I strongly urge that you check it out for yourself. As others have pointed out, you don't have to go to the desert to find many of the things that are there. For those who will seek it though Burningman is about much much more. I have been for 5 years now. There is nothing quite like Burningman. I wouldn't miss it for world.

    1. Re:It Doesn't Get Any Better by DrSartorius · · Score: 1

      I do know one person who says that he won't be returning. Only one. He attended in 2000--the year of extremely bad weather (heh, one of my favorite burns.) One thing I find repeatedly when discussing burningman with other's who have attended is that we all seem to agree--the experience has this pervasive quality that can't be described. It has to be experienced.
      My friends that go to burningman know the experience of trying to explain what it was like. Frustrating. No matter how you try to describe it you can't seem to get across what it's like. They just look at you and say: "you did what?"
      When I come across someone that is bagging on burningman I ask them: "so, you've been to burningman?" The answer is almost always no.

  35. But it's ART! by Reziac · · Score: 2

    The guy wearing an oversized Campbells Soup can is obviously the shade of Andy Warhol!!

    --
    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  36. Re:puke QWZX by Trick · · Score: 2

    "Anyone who takes drugs has severe personality problems anyway."

    Thanks for the tip. That would explain why I turn into a murderous psychopath after a couple beers.

  37. Look at it in perspective... by A.+Cowardice+Nonymad · · Score: 1
    Consider for a minute the contrast between Burning Man and "regular life". For 51 weeks out of the year many burners have ordinary jobs among ordinary people, perhaps not by choice, but by necessity. One reason so many people go to Burning Man and have unquestionably the best time of their lives is because they, briefly, want to get the hell away from our society that's teetering on the brink of war, that's finally getting Big Brother armed and operational, and where every decision and choice of any consequence is ruled by the almighty dollar.

    Consider for a minute that maybe it's not what Burning Man IS that matters. It's what it ISN'T.

    If you think Burning Man is a real-life porn movie, or a drug-drenched GigaRave, or a city full of art wankers, or any of the many other stereotypes people use to knock it, then guess what: YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO! 28,000 of us are having a good time, and frankly we don't care what you think of us.

    Consider for a minute that maybe a committee didn't design Burning Man so it has maximum entertainment value for your demographic. Maybe you have to participate and contribute what you've got to offer, instead of consuming what you think you need.

    1. Re:Look at it in perspective... by bitsformoney · · Score: 1
      we don't care what you think of us


      Wrong. At least the people I met where so desparate to tell everybody how cool they were once they got back to real life. Burning Man seems to be more about having been there than about being there.

      --
      This comment is printed on 100% recycled electrons.
    2. Re:Look at it in perspective... by Guitarsenal · · Score: 0

      When you are there it's about being there. When you aren't, it's about planning to return. When you have discovered something this amazingly cool you naturally want to share it with your friends. That's why there are 30K people out there, with no advertising budget. If you go, you have to tell people about it.

    3. Re:Look at it in perspective... by cbogart · · Score: 1

      Hmmm -- isn't that true of anything you do that breaks your regular routine? It shakes your assumptions and you talk a lot about what it's made you think about. I suppose it comes off as bragging, but the alternative is to withdraw from your friends every time you are exposed to something new, for fear of annoying people who aren't in the mood for discussion of anything outside of weather, football and nasdaq.

  38. ...all about the drugs and fucking it is not. by onjay · · Score: 1

    I have gone out to the playa six years running now, so I am clearly drinking the Kool-Aid.

    Each year, wandering around turns up a huge number of jaw-dropping art projects, cool new friends, diverse lectures, performances and debate, and solitary time for reflection. It reinvigorates my sense of the possible, restores my faith in human nature, and pokes me to make more of my extra-desert life. I got the book as a gift yesterday, and it is really really well done; can't speak for the DVD.

    Notably, it has given me a whole new outlet for my robotics obsession. I have tinkered with EL wire, LEDs, motors, seismometers, lasers, servos, and sound activated circuits. Other friends have learned to weld, build domes, and created elaborate games ( www.gyft.org ), costumes, props, and sculptures for the event. At the East Coast ( playadelfuego.org ) and Austin regional ( burnaustin.org ) events, an even merrier crew of hard core campers turns out, somehow.

    There is a buttload of tech out there, from stage equipment to powerful lasers. There is wireless internet, pirate radio and TV, and amazing one-of-a-kind sound and light sculptures.

    Of course, if you can't see past your own cynical ego, maybe it is better you don't come. You can go see bare breasts locally for much cheaper, and their owners won't threaten you for gawking. It is hot and dusty and cold and rainy and loud 24/7, with lines at the portapotties AND these people are freaks.

    They're my people.

    1. Re:...all about the drugs and fucking it is not. by wheezl · · Score: 1

      that makes 2 (or ~25,000) of us :)

      --
      -- oh.... so..... sleeeeeepy.
  39. If you're planning on going to Burningman... by vudufixit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try to stop at Pyramid Lake, if you're coming from southern Nevada. It's a huge lake surrounded by desert. The whole place is an Indian reservation. At one corner of the lake, a natural stone column (strikingly pyramid shaped) rises out of the water. At another part of the lake, is another stone shape that looks strikingly like a cloaked woman with a baby basket. The drive from Reno is breathtaking, from what I hear. And if you're into fishing, some of the world's largest cutthroat trout (Lahontan) are caught there.

    1. Re:If you're planning on going to Burningman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you DO stop by Pyramid lake, and stop on the East Shore, be very aware that cars get stuck in the sand ALL the time. Unless you have 4 wheel drive, I would visit the West side of the lake. It's a little further to go, and they DO ask you to pay a camp fee, and are quite adement about it. East side, less so, but if you don't have the right vehicle, you're in for an expensive rescue.

  40. Art, Creativitity, Imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > The artistic side of Burning Man is such bullshit.

    So, do you actually know about it?

    I see more amazing art there each year.
    More creativity. And more imagination.

    My friends and I lead camp Lite Brite
    with a giant circus tent, big black-lite lite-brite,
    an art car decorated like a sparkling mermaid,
    and a plush red velvet Moroccan lounge.

    Many others create truly magnificent art,
    from the majestic Temple of Tears,
    to an enormous drivable pirate ship,
    to a barroom built as a big rubber ducky.

    Browse around BurningMan.com
    and I hope you'll see the artistic community
    and the creativity that flourishes there.

    Most of the art is created throughout the year,
    and the Black Rock Arts Foundation
    shares the art with others in local museums,
    at community fundraisers, and at K12 schools.

    Is all this silly? Yes.
    Indulgent? Probably.
    Fun? Absolutely.

    Burning Man is many things,
    and art is a special part of it.
    Thanks for keeping an open mind...

    Cheers,
    Joel
    joel@litebrite.org

    1. Re:Art, Creativitity, Imagination by ronjon · · Score: 1

      For the record, Camp Lite Brite rocked.

  41. Exactly by Animats · · Score: 2
    Now imagine a bunch of freaks and weirdos getting together with a bunch of junk, taking drugs, and going out of their way to prove themselves "more artistic than thou". Then watch as they try and do as many oddball things as possible to desperately cling to the notion that their meaningless lives have some sort of purpose. Hey, if you can't have a purpose that is actually productive, at least you can have an anti-purpose that tries to demonstrate to the world how "cool" you are.

    There's a lot to be said for that point of view. But at least at Burning Man, some people do it well. It's better than the SF art scene, where nobody tells artists when they suck, and they continue doing bad art for decades.

    Burning Man has a faction of Deadhead types, bereft since their idol overdosed. They have an annoying 60's stoner tendency to pretend that what they do for fun is really important. But they're dying off. The younger people admit they're just having fun.

    1. Re:Exactly by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

      It's better than the SF art scene, where nobody tells artists when they suck, and they continue doing bad art for decades.

      You know, I actually have more respect for a bad artist who probably knows in their heart that they're bad, but continues trying, than some flashy idiot who shows up at Burning Man to prance around in tin foil to somehow demonstrate that they're on a higher plane of artistic existence. At least the bad artist is about the bad art, rather than trying to be about "being a cool artist".

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
  42. You don't need to hoard art to experience it by cbogart · · Score: 1

    IMO art is an expression from one person to another. Music was art before it could be written down or recorded; dance was art before we had videotape. Just because you can't buy it and hang it on your wall to impress your friends doesn't mean it can't move you.

    Saving pieces of art is great -- I don't think all art should be temporary. But it's also OK to improvise on an instrument, to doodle on the corner of your math notes; to fingerpaint; to hum a tune while you're walking somewhere.

    Burning the art at the end of the event gives people permission to "doodle" and let their creativity out a little more. Experiencing that temporary week of freedom does leave a permanent mark on the world, but it happens by changing people's heads, rather than producing hunks of sculpted plaster and painted canvas.

    1. Re:You don't need to hoard art to experience it by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

      it changes the heads of anyone who can afford $150 a ticket and who happens to be in the same part of the "city" as you. that's a very small subset of "the world".

      I don't hoard art. I'm actually speaking about permanence/impermanence from experience. When I have a few more minutes I'll write out an explanation.

  43. The good old days by Malcs · · Score: 1

    Here's a feature about Burning Man '97 when Brian Foley made his first trek with the Artists Republic of Fremont.

    "The weekend in the desert was wondrous, amazing, a Temporary Autonomous Zone full of performance art, sculpture, dance, music, painting (typically using the human body as a canvas), comedy, vaudeville, theater, technology, and whatever else you might be looking for. The other citizens of the Artist's Republic of Fremont and I, who had never been to a Burning Man festival before, can not compare this event to any other we had ever attended. The closest thing I can compare it to is perhaps the Grateful Dead show in Veneta in 1982, or Carnival in Tepotzlan, Mexico. The scope of this year's event was mind-blowing. Trying to explain it in words to people probably can not convey the chaotic frenzy of artistic output that went on over the course of three days, only to be destroyed or dismantled by the end of the festival. Next year I plan to bring an audio recorder so I can get the sounds of the event and capture thoughts as they happen. Picture a mile-long promenade along the shore of a dry lake bed, along which are theme camps as varied as the H. Marx Memorial Croquet Society. The Art Cars Camp and the Sphere of Influence. The Grrlie Grrl tent, the Post Office Camp, the Illuminati Camp and the Black Light District. Each one of these camps were interactive in some way, designed to engage participation instead of observation. One of the most important rules at burning Man was "NO SPECTATORS." Article and photos by Brian Foley

    --
    My name is Carlos Montoya. You share files of my music. Prepare to die.
  44. Amen... by SPYvSPY · · Score: 2

    ...self-righteous, privileged neo-hippies that make goofy arts and crafts are especially pathetic when portrayed in coffee table books of their own making.

  45. desperate need by noreen · · Score: 1

    There are many things that I don't like about burning man. One is that it takes it name from a real Celtic ritual and is not true to the origin. Burning man is like fire walking if the man lived he would be king. It wasn't for very long and it represented the overcoming the material. The fact that this spiritual journey costs over one hundred dollars and comes with twenty five thousand other seekers makes it a commercial venue and not a journey. However, the fact that twenty five thousand people are looking for art and a experience is heartening in some way. So what if it is Neo Christo recycled seventies crap. They want art. Which means they might go to a museum, or look up historacal contect or have an original thought one day. Something important may happen. The romance of the appocolypse has wanned in my eyes since it seems more immenant. North Korea is making bombs aimed at us. Use of nuclear weapons is a real possibility. There are people stocking up on the would be currency of cigarettes. For a few days these people are not students or failed dot commers or bike messanger or lawyers. they are citizens. They are less lonely as modern primitives. The events marketing could only be successful if it met a need. It does the need for the orgiastic experience. It is the same frenzy of a tent revival. The idea of the collective is more enticing than the collective itself. Those who wish to move the community into their daily lives are often disappointed by the result. Burning man is the cult of the want to be dispossesd. Those of us who really live in shopping carts and see aliens in the lights are not welcome. Peircing tatooing and ritual pain that take place without a cultural context is devoid of the meaning within the tribe. It is the the plight of the fleeting aborigine with the public relations job.

  46. Yeah. Plus... by SPYvSPY · · Score: 2

    ...the only people with time to imagine that shit (and to play the tea party version of Utopia) are fucking trust fund hippies.

  47. Switch to decaf, coward! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    boy, you're grouchy when you're anonymous.

    And cut back on the hot grits while you're at it.

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Natalie Portman clones...

    .


    In Soviet Russia, drugs take _you_.

  48. re: jazz improvisation by billstewart · · Score: 2

    That was one of the reasons we had to go to Grateful Dead shows every night. They were always different, not only playing different songs every night, but playing each one differently every time. Sometimes it flopped, but sometimes it was pure magic. It wasn't just the performers on stage, it was also the interaction of the performers and the crowd. Recordings are nice, but they're not the same thing as being there, and the shows were always recorded for posterity - not necessarily on tape, but in the thousands of different recordings in the memories of the individual audience members. Also, while some of the songs started out good, what really happened was that there would be a basic structure that would evolve as they'd get more experience with performing it, and with how the crowd reacted to it, and with what their emotions were at the different times they were performing.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  49. Sure by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    Imagine your home town is built on a moonscape, epic in cracked earth, hard sun, dust storms, thunderstorms, rainbow sherbet sunrises and tie-dyed sunsets that move you and your neighbors to applause.

    I live in Phoenix.

    1. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in Phoenix, and I never once heard my neighbors applaud the sunsets.

  50. The REAL Burning Man by salientpoints · · Score: 1

    a Tesla coil taunted by a wacky scientist

    Too bad this isn't Command & Conquer...

  51. Re: jazz improvisation by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 2

    I see recording like Zappa did. The studio is another instrument - it allows the artist to perfect his/her vision. Live performance is too spontaneous to allow a coherent statement to come forth.

    I'm a musician.. I used to play improvised music, fusion type stuff. One time I recorded a 13 minute solo over 2 chords. some people loved it. It was described as "genius" and all that other stuff. I was in a different zone when I played it and I felt like I really made a coherent statement.

    Then, I lost the tape. I hadn't written the piece out on paper, nor did I have an extra copy lying around.

    To me, this completely invalidated the concept of wholly improvised music. The statement that I made was lost forever, because a) I was dumb with the tapes and b) it was just one moment in time.

    I could never reproduce the song because it was the product of a very specific mood. This made me realize that the holy grail of music is to write a song that always puts forth the same impression and always produces the same mood in the listener.

    Words always mean the same thing, so should music. Humans being imperfect as they are, this requires that recording technologies be used to capture and perfect the vision of the composer. Even scoring the piece in musical notation leaves it open to mutation by half-assed musicians. Now, recording is even more fuckup-friendly with all the remix and sampling shit that's going on.

    Now does my stance make sense?

  52. Re: jazz improvisation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no.

    Art isn't permanent. There is no way to make a permanent recording of any given art. Whether it is music, photographs, paintings, scuplture, words, or anything. If you require permanence as fundamental requirement of art, you must throw out all art. Music is not permanent even if recorded (as your example shows). Photographs last a limited amount of time, even if carefully prepared, and stored. Paintings fade. Sculpture eventually are destroyed (either through forces of nature, or actions of people). Even words are a constant. A obvious example being gay. The main meaning of this word is now someone who is sexually attracted to their same sex. It used to mean happy.

    The point of art is to change the person who expierences the art. It may be nice to have a permanent record of a piece of art, but it wont help. Culture change, which will change the view of any art that last more than a few years. In another two hundred or three hundred years do think people will look or listen to any art created in our time the same way we do now? Do we even look at art created in our parents time the same way? No.

    Art is art. Any definition might be able to catch a certain view of art at a certain time, but just like everything in life everything changes.

  53. Are there half-nude hippie chicks? Hubba hubba! by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

    I always imagined there would be lotsa new-age free-love types there... Well? What's the skinny on that? What's the 4-1-1?

    ;)

    --
    Mmmmmm... Bold, yet refreshing!
  54. Re: jazz improvisation by dogfart · · Score: 2
    So what you are saying is that if the art is any good at all, it will still impress outside of the context of its creation? Basically, if people are still in awe of a repetition many years after, then it is good?

    So we can enjoy Bach, even though we do not live in early 18th century Germany?

    Hence art designed to be destroyed is inherently bad art?

    --

    "dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope"

  55. Re: jazz improvisation by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 1

    yes, yes, yes, and yes.
    This is my opinion. You're welcome to be wrong :)

  56. It's a movie that comes with a book! by dalellarson · · Score: 1

    The Drama in the Desert DVD is much more than photos -- there is a full feature-length movie on there that has been well-received at a few theater screenings, and has been described as "Baraka-esque."

  57. Drama in the Desert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great pictures, great DVD, great music. A little pricey, but with contributions of nearly 100 burners, with a DVD...

    This book is great. There is no substitute for the experience; nor is there is no better alternative.

  58. everything you've heard is true (or a lie) by jet-spies · · Score: 1

    Maybe this book will give people who haven't been a better look at things, and for those of us who go, give us some nice pictures to remind us why we like going.

    There is truly amazing art: (life-size battlezone tank made from el wire). There is a lot of crap art that gets ignored.

    Giving things is good: We gave away almost 4,000 books of matches this year and a few handfuls of stickers. People gave us stuff because they had stuff to give away. We've delivered booze, cupcakes and toys to various people just because it's fun doing it.

    There are naked people, sometimes huge crowds of them. I wish some of them weren't naked. (I've seen a lifetime worth of balding no-pants hippie guys.) After a few days, you really stop noticing.

    Some people do drugs. Some people don't do drugs. Nobody forces them on you, and nobody cares if you do them, as long as you aren't bothering other people.

    The best thing (or worst thing) is that it's up to you to contribute in a way that lets you have fun. Don't like the music? Play/Bring your own. Want to roller skate? Bring a roller rink. Want to make a flamophone? Want to build a galleon on top of a schoolbus and drive around singing pirate songs? Nobody's stopping you. (Well, they might ask you to not operate the flamphone in camp for safety reasons.)

    Want to complain about how uncool and unhip and commercialized it is now and how much better it used to be and how much it sucks now? Fine, but please stay the hell home next year and leave more room for the rest of us.

  59. My panoramic photo of Burning Man by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2
    For a while I was into taking panoramic photos, where I set my camera on a tripod and take pictures at angular increments around the vertical (or sometimes horizontal) axis of the camera. I'd stitch them together with Live Picture's PhotoVista.

    PhotoVista was meant for making QuickTime VR-like images, where you can scroll the panorama around in a web page using a viewer plugin or Java applet. But I always thought it was cooler to have just a photographic banner.

    I have a panorama I took at burning man on this page. The panorama in that page is quite small so that it will fit on your screen - click it and you'll get a greatly enlarged view where you can see some detail (including the PhotoVista Demo Version watermark!).

    I have promised the organizers of Burning Man that I'd give them a hi-res panorama on CD that they can print and hang in their office, but I've never gotten it together to make it for them. I'll try to do that sometime soon.

    You can find a few other examples of my photography, art and music here. I have a lot of stuff on PhotoCD that I mean to put on the site, but again I've been too busy to deal with it. There are several MP3's of my piano compositions though.

    I'm not sure if PhotoVista is still published. Live Picture was bought out by MGI Software, who were then themselves purchased by Roxio (the Easy CD Creator people). Roxio has an inexpensive graphics bundle package, but I don't know whether PhotoVista is included. Besides stitching the images, it would handle such things as lens distortion quite nicely.

    I have a couple panoramas I took up on the Eiffel Tower that are still waiting to be scanned.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
  60. Re:Burning Man not what it was... what it wasnt by hylo · · Score: 1

    burnt in 00, 01, and 02...

    I saw no billboards nor did I see anything for sale... The idea that this is a commercial event is dreamed up by people too petty to fork out $up to $250 bucks for a ticket. At $250 (the higher end of the price range) and a 7 day trip to blackrock you could say this vacation costs about 35 bucks a day. So for nonstop entertainment thats less then $1.50 an hour. I havent been to a three hour concert for less then 40 bucks in the past 5 years. While I was at the burn I found it hard to goto sleep thinking I was missing something fun to do but had to rest for something fun that will happen tomarrow.

    In all three visits to blackrock city I have not spent a dime beyond the gates. Like most people I forget something and my fellow burners always have my back and I theirs. There is no city or community that supports its people like burning man... free of charge... no forms to fill out... no prerequisite. Just buy a ticket and go.

    Think the ticket is priced too high? Fill out a scholarship application on the burning man web site. For those of you who have something to offer then another bitch and actualy CANT afford to HELP THEMSELVES a little... there is help for you too.

    My experience with burning man is somewhat like school or a job. The more you put into it... think and plan ahead... look beyond the press and the slashdot flames... The more you will get in return. Unlike the tired real world always looking for "something new"... you will find it around every corner waiting for you. You just gotta get off your ass and be there.

  61. Burning Man tries to be environmentally friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Burning Man tries very hard to be environmentally friendly, but ultimately it fails. The Black Rock Desert has been suffering from these incidental dunes that threaten to ruin the very flatness of the place. These dunes are usually around 8" tall and about 3' by 10'. This does not sound like much, but the Black Rock Desert is roughly 200 square miles of _very_ flat surface. The Black Rock Desert is possibly the worlds largest flat land area.
    These incidental dunes cause a tremendous problem for other users of the desert. Hitting a 8" high curb like surface at 50 miles
    an hour in a wind driven land sailer is no joke.

    No one in town has seen these before they appeared a couple of years ago.

    The Burning Man folks have good intentions, but having 28k people show up and create dust is drastically changing the very location. There is not much that the Burning Man attendees can do about this issue, the very foot traffic is stirring up tons of dust that are later deposited as these dunes.

    Initially, Burning Man had quite a bit to do with the location, but as more and more people attend, there are more and more necessary rules (Don't dig, Don't use open fire in camp etc.)

    It is high time that Burning Man took a page from the Rainbow Gathering and rotated the event through different locations.

    BTW - I've been going to the Black Rock Desert since well before Burning Man started, and I've attended Burning Man several times. The energy there is really great, something that is hard to believe unless you have been there. My point is that the event needs to rotate through other sites so as to avoid destroying the Black Rock Desert.

    BTW^2 - I'll be at Bev's Miner's Club in Gerlach this New Year's. If you ask for Chris and tell me that you saw this post, I'll buy you a drink.

  62. You can't possibly imagine... by puck13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what it's like until you've been there.

    A lot of people don't believe it can be as good as claimed, Leave No Trace, gift economy, etc. And most of them they stay at home, bitterly bitc^H^H^H^Hposting about how lame everything is.

    Those who do believe show up and create it. This self selection process yields a pretty amazing bunch of people.

    Ask anyone who's complaining if they've been. For those (few) that have, ask if they were invovled in anything, or just were waiting for the experience to happen to them. It's all about being involved.

    And yes, there's drugs, frat boys, and trustafarians. But there's also the most incredible art you've ever seen, more intense life experiences that you didn't mean to have, and more real possibilities for life than you had any idea existed.

    The truth has been said before: you find what you're looking for. If you want lameness you can find it anywhere. But if you want transcendant, indescribable life epxerience and community, you'll find it there like no other place.

    Here's a good, short article on the vastness and variety of the experience.

    Another good bit is the speech Larry Harvy (founder of BM) gave at Cooper Union earlier this year.

  63. The value of art by julian.snail · · Score: 1
    I hear people say Burning Man used to be cool, but now it's too big. Or that it's just a bit dumb party. These can be completely valid criticisms - for those people. Some folks that go have a terrible time. It's not a matter of right or wrong. Burning Man is great for some people, but not for everybody.

    It's a city that's made up of people who value art, self expression, and creativity far more then society at large. This changes even seemingly mundane interactions. The amount of magic that's possible in this city keeps me going back. I've met many of my best friends there.

    I expect that I'll always be drawn to the flame, the wonder, and the other curious creative people.

    I love Holly's photographs and her book. Many other people will also.

    julian of supersnail

  64. Re:Art, Creativity, Imagination by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

    Looks to me like most of the complaints here about Burning Man are by lumpen hypocrites who haven't troubled to actually attend BM. Maybe we need book or film reviews by people who never read the book or saw the film? And the complaints about bad art are by tight-assed kids and codgers who only feel safe within the box. Progress never comes from the complacent, and art requires a little unbending, you know? So what if some percentage of the art is flaky, when you open the doors for exploration you take the good with the poor. And anyone who says all art must be permanent or it's useless is just terribly shallow. Seems to me the posters are divided into two categories, the rigid-minded, and the flexible. I know which set contributes more to society.

  65. Re:craptastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Heheh. This comment made me laugh with glee. You've obviously never been, but thanks for your opinion! Heheheh.

  66. My favorite part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing how many idiots need to spout off about things they know nothing about. Classic Slashdot. I would be sorry that burningman was ever mentioned here, except that this article might inspire some people to go and see for themselves.


    I've gotten all the "naked drugged out hippie love fest rave" comments before. That's just not how it is. Just because you cannot imagine a world of the beauty described in this review doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


    It was the experience of a lifetime, and I will value it forever. Burningman changes lives for the better.

  67. commercial? hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Well, Burning Man itself is explicitly noncommercial. There are no sponsors, no advertisements, no companies, no vendors (except for some cold drinks at main camp.)


    However, it is true that most people have to consume like crazy before they get there. You need to bring *everything* you need to survive for a week or more, plus gas for the car and maybe a rental fee for the RV. But no one ever said otherwise. That's part of the experience -- the building up of expectations as the wallet drains is very exciting. :)


    As far as "we're due for something new now" ... well, all I can tell you is you're welcome to bring whatever you want to the playa. Whatever it is that we're due for, it's up to you (and not some company) to create it.

  68. Imagine all the people by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1
    Imagine strangers who would read to you from William Carlos Williams, offer you a snow cone or a Margarita. Imagine folk costumed in everything and nothing imaginable.
    I try, but it induces nausea.