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Video Streaming Goes Peer-to-Peer
CMU ESM Project writes "Our research group at Carnegie Mellon University has developed a peer to
peer streaming video content distribution system called End System
Multicast (ESM).
The system constructs a self-organizing and adaptive overlay network
using
the receivers that are tuning into the broadcast events. The system has
been
used fairly successfully for
quite a few events. Now we want test the system with a lot of more users
and different user join patterns. We are streaming some very cool
video, such as Triumph of the Nerds by Bob Cringely, distinguished
lecture by Eric Schmidt,
CEO of Google, ACM SIGCOMM conference paper presentation by Dave Clark,
and 2002 Sony Legged Robot Soccer Championship.
Here is the detailed
schedule. So please tune in, enjoy, and help test our system!" The streaming is based on QuickTime; for Linux users, the project page steps through installation of CodeWeaver's CrossOver plug-in.
We are streaming some very cool video
/. communities attention, I'd suggest you show Ghost in a Shell, RMS vs MS PR lecturer, the Matrix, and The Two Towers.
If you wanna grab the
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
They're sure not gonna like this.
Watch the Teaser Trailer for "The Lightning Thief" Her
P2P streaming video, eh? We *KNOW* which industry is going to be the frontrunner there. And for some reason, the geeks will all be very generous in the uh, "support" they offer.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
They state that they are using quicktime.. yet there is no support for Mac. ?!
magnanomous.
"We are streaming some very cool video, such as Triumph of the Nerds by Bob Cringely, distinguished lecture by Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, ACM SIGCOMM conference paper presentation by Dave Clark, and 2002 Sony Legged Robot Soccer Championship."
... PORN!
We want
In a shock move, the MPAA closed several University research departments this afternoon, in a series of commando-style raids.
"It's tantamount to theft" said Hilarity Rosen. "People sharing video and film clips like this without paying? It's immoral, unjust and illegal! Luckily, we caught the equivalent of 7,562 illegal viewers. (Well, we caught 17, but they all had VERY fast connections!)
In other news, Microsoft tommorow will announce a new DSigital Rights system for P2P video, called "PayNow!"
blue falcon networks has been doing this for quite a while.
their technology is already in such distribution systems as Virgin's internet radio broadcast
they do live re-multicast as well as on-demand.
they rock the casbah.
my livejournal is interesting and worth reading - I swear. I know everyone thinks their blog is interesting. mine is.
if you want to grab the public's attention, show porn. I guarantee that porn will be the killer app for this (remember CU-SeeMe).
sulli
RTFJ.
You most certainly do *not* have to recompile your kernel to use QT in mplayer. Just build it, download the codecs .zip, and go
BTW, for debian users, here are the lines to install mplayer (WITH qt6 support):
echo "deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get update
apt-get install mplayer-686 mencoder-686 qt6codecs w32codecs
Can anyone fill me in on how or if this differs from the BitTorrent concept?
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
No self-respecting geek believes any other person to be geeky enough to be considered their "peer."
I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
Watching it now. Pretty cool, and pretty effective - but the video seems a little bit too bright.
Schnapple
Yeah, I'm a little peeved at that too. I'm a geek and I don't get to enjoy this project because for some reason they've neglected the NATIVE PLATFORM for the streaming product they're using.
However, there IS a note stating that they are "explorting porting to the MacOS" I think they meant "exploring", and even if they do explore it, are they talking about Mac OS 9 or OSX?
I want to play :(
Gabriel Ricard
I'd be hard-pressed to call what they were streaming "cool". If they wanted cool, they should have been streaming video out cams hidden in the ventilation registers of good-looking coed's dorm rooms. Oh wait, I forgot, they're at Carnegie Mellon.
Which reminds me of an old, old joke: Nine out of ten girls in California are good-looking. The other one goes to Stanford.
Check out their overlay tree here. It shows how the current peer-to-peer tree of everyone viewing anything at that given point in time. Pretty cool.
Um, if I wanted to watch video on a schedule, I'd watch TV.
If they were using H.263 or MPEG-4, you should be able to use a variety of players instead of needing the Crossover hack.
Hi all, I work on the project and have been tasked with answering the slashdot communities questions. 1. Bright video: yes the video is too bright just has to do with the video capture we did of this particular video. Other videos look better, check the schedule. 2. Why codeweavers? Mplayer plays Sorenson 1 natively and Sorenson 3 using a binary codec, we can broadcast either. Unforutunately, Mplayer's RTP code doesn't support Sorenson 1/3 streams yet. When looking at the code, I couldn't tell if live.com streaming library didn't support it yet or, more likely, the interface between mplayer and live.com streaming library doesn't support Sorenson 1/3. 3. I'll answer more of how the system works and how its different then bittorrent and other system in a few minutes it's going to take while to type out. In the mean time check out some of our documents. http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~ESM-streaming/docs/ESM_Ph aseII.1.pdf
is a bried overview.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/cmcl-yhchu/ www.overlays/
has some of our earlier papers
Chris Palow
palow@cmu.edu
Now we want test the system with a lot of more users and different user join patterns.
:)
Is this the first case of someone actually ASKING to be Slashdotted? I can't think of a better stress test...
Every couple of minutes the screen blanks out with a message saying things like "Please send 24.95 for the full version to support starving programmers" for crossover.
How annoying... they should've mentioned this.
come on fhqwhgads
Isn't peer to peer multicast kind of an oxymoron.
***Quis custodiet ipsos custodes***
They finally have proof that TOC with Windows is lower than with Linux :)
I have NEVER seen a stable installation of quicktime and I'll be damned if I install it on my new machine.
It's a damn shame too because I've been waiting for this idea to materialize for a while. Maybe the next bunch of folks who take a stab at it won't fuck it up.
pfft. qucktime. what a fucking waste.
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How is this different from video teleconferencing software like CU-SeeMe, which has been around for about 8 years now?
If you move the window slightly, the splash-beg moves to behind it. Still annoying, but manageable.
come on fhqwhgads
What "open" system would you ahve in mind? Ogg Tarkin? Maybe it'll kick ass in 5 years. Until then, Quicktime is one of the best choices.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Step 1. Release story on highly visited website that will cause geeks to download before even realizing the trojan horse they have installed.
Step 2. Get geeks to keep player on by telling them they will help the greater good of p2p video streaming.
Step 3. When over 20,000 active nodes are on system begin largest DoS attack ever on MPAA and RIAA that will strike fear into the masses.
Step 4. Profit^H^H^H^H^H^H Post story on slashdot about how slashdot users defeated the evil of the internet without even knowing it.
It may seem highly unlikely, but shouldn't these freekin college kids be studying for finals??? Anyone else think this is an "odd" type of program??
I could be wrong and I probably am, but it's a hypothetical that could be very true ...
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
I hate Grammar Nazi's
it's about 400Kbps down then 400Kbps up for each of your children. Right now the maximum number of children is 6 so.. 2400Kbps.
For a total of 2800Kbps or 350KBps up + down
Hopefully 350KBps doesn't get you kicked out (of school?!?) if it does drop me a line
Chris
I have seen that Digitally Imported has a audio P2P option from allcast.
I am not using it personally as I am listening to the shoutcast streams on my Audiotron, so I don't know if it's worth anything, but the idea is nice.
my sig
Knowing how to install an OS and apps would go a long way toward solving your QuickTime problems. Of all of the media players on the market, QuickTime is the one that's caused me the least grief. I currently run it on Win2K, and I've used it under different flavors of Win9x. (I also have a Quadra 610 with MacOS 7.5.3, but I've never tried to track down an older version of QuickTime to install on it. I'm not sure how useful it'd be on such a slow machine.)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
... that american geeks will now start to stream all the new TV shows, and the rest of the world will be looking over their shoulders? (While the industry starts screaming in fury?)
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Step 5 is missing. There's no step 5. There's no Step 5!!!!
That's where my P2P video experience ended.
... NEXT!
Oh well