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Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines
An anonymous reader writes "There is a new Quicktime Trailer avalible for Terminator 3 up and avalible to download. Features include shiny chrome, blue LED's a-plenty and a few seconds of a CGI'ed army of Terminators." Looks like a pretty fun movie.
I was under the impression that T3 was going to tell the story of Skynet coming on-line and the war - taking place entirely in the future.
Instead we get the same concept as T2: an new, advanced Terminator is sent back in time to kill people (presumably Connor once again), and it appears a new Terminator is sent back to protect them, again (Arnold).
The only difference is newer special effects and the evil terminator is a buxom blonde, with big breasts, and wearing a tight red leather outfit.
All these years and all they could come up with is the Baywatch Effect?
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better then that.
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Gosh I really wish they can just let these things die.
Really...
Why does the movie industry have to pimp a franchise until it runs out of money, but at the cost of running out of charm too?
Take MIB - it was nice, well, self contained. MIB2 was not NEARLY as good, but they just HAD to drag everyone back to make another sequel (and probably one after that too)
Arnold is like how old now?
And there is gonna be another Rocky? - so will I see dentures flying in the ring?
Creativity just seem really lacking these days. Can't we go and start some new pop legend, instead of feeding on old ones till our brains shrivel?
*matrix is the only "new" one i can think of it off the top of my head. Fight Club maybe too - and I really hope there is no sequel to that*
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Given the stratospheric budget on this one ($150 MM at last check), it is really amazing that they aren't even attempting a twist... I mean come on, how hard is it to push everything forward 50 years and show the skynet war details, or do a prequel, or something besides Terminator 2 redone with better effects... it's such a predictable shame when production companies are given such incredible budgets and they destroy such seemingly indestructible plot concepts
Mr. Cameron, I thought you could do better than that.
James Cameron is sitting this one out, AFAIK. He didn't direct this one, and I think he only got writing credit on the IMDB listing because he has to, since he created the characters.
I think he felt there was no need for another sequel. To a degree, I agree with him. But on the other hand, I'm looking forward to checking out the continuation of the story on the big screen.
I'm so dying for a continuation of the story, in fact, that I've devoured the books that have been written to do so. There are two so far by S.M. Stirling, and one so far by Russell Blackford. They are not related to what's going to happen in Terminator 3, they take different paths. Having read all of them, it takes a little effort to keep the storylines straight. But it's definitely worth it-- the books make reference to the most minute details mentioned or seen in the movies, which (obsessive Terminator fan that I am) I find very satisfying.
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I seem to recall that, in the 2nd movie, they stopped the whole time loop (which would take an act of divinity or Hollywood to create) that brought SkyNet into being in the first place. I guess they'll have some explanation in the movie where it wasn't REALLY ended, or something...
In a way, I guess it's kind of like all of the Highlander sequels (with the obvious exception of #2)... Connor has the prize, then he doesn't, then he does, then he doesn't, then Duncan eventually kills him and they both get nothing.
Every law of time and space shattered into itty bitty pieces, all for The Almighty Buck.
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What, you think all the Terminators look alike? They were created by Skynet, remember, to infiltrate human enclaves. If every single Terminator is a tall white scary guy who looks like Ahnold, then they're no good for covert infiltration. The "hot female" chassis is probably just one of many designs for the pre-T1000 series, with, yes, the added advantage that a female Terminator could have certain psychological advantages in manipulating humans over a male terminator.
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The Linda Hamilton thing worries me the most.
James Cameron can get another job that pays assloads of money, but what the hell is Linda Hamilton going to do that would pay as much?
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I wasn't too thrilled about this film knowing that James Cameron wouldn't be involved in any way.
Kind of ironic that in the trailer, they play the classic Terminator riffs composed by Brad Fiedel, considering that they replaced him with an entirely different composer who's not even using Fiedel's cues from the first two films!
This reminds me a bit of the transition from Alien and Aliens to Alien3. It looks like in both cases, the producers have thrown out the charm, technical crew and composers from the first two and just put anybody in there.
As I recall, Alien3 had a spectacular opening weekend, then poor word of mouth killed it in subsequent weeks, because people expected something worthy of the two predecessors, and didn't get it.
T3 could very well end up in the same situation.
No kidding. I don't want another "the super machine came back in time to kill you and i'm here to protect you" story. I was hoping to see the the rise of the machines part of the story fleshed out - like the title indicates. But this looks just like the other two, only with better CGI.
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The point of the terminator is to TERMINATE. Now, yes, that means infiltration. But how many hot chicks do you think they have walking around around in Post-Apocalyptic Los Angeles?
If they even think of having some sort of lame seduction scene, their cinematic integrity will go out the window faster than Axel Foley.
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Posts like these are old and tired- I wasn't aware that everyone who didn't like the MPAA was boycotting it. Did I miss something?
I don't like the **AA's, that's for sure, but not enough to stifle my interest in movies/music that I find genuinely worth experiencing or at least learning more about.
I havent seen T2 in a while
For the longest time T2 was my favorite movie. I embraced it for what it was; a pure action movie.
But i seriously would be laughing at this trailer if it was on MadTV or SNL or somthing. It is such a parody of itself, it makes me sick. "She'll be back." Give me a fucking break.
What makes me sick to my stomache is that it will probably do a decent gross at the theathers.
Are they even trying anymore?
Just some quick background information...
;-)
/* Arnie hanging from a crane driving down the street? Or would this be a rehash of the "Saving ____ Connor from the evil terminator by jumping in front of, on, or shooting at the chase vehicle?" scene? */ followed by a big truck exploding ending with a fight in some factory type of place.
;-)
I remember back when I was a kid, I convinced my parents to sneak me into the Drive In to watch the original Terminator on the big screen. I remember being blown away by the action, the story, and well... okay, I had a school-boy crush on Linda Hamilton.
Of course when T2 came out I hadn't seen the original in years, so I went out and rented it from the local Video Store and checked it out again. Again I rather enjoyed it, and was able to have an even deeper understanding of the films story.
Then I went and saw T2, and I started to feel uneasy. For it was then that I started to realize that the entire film was basically just a rehash of the entire first film.
The structure, plotting, even the scenes are almost completely ripped off from the first movie. From the arrival scene, to the "Finding *insert* Connor.", to the ending sequence where both films ended with a car chase, tanker explosion, and a climactic battle scene in a manufacturing plant with lots of belts and gears and pullies and crap.
It was almost as if Cameron had didn't really bother to come up with anything new. So when I found out that he wasn't doing it I was quite happy. Not because I think his movies suck, but more because I didn't really want to see a rehash of T1 & T2 yet again.
But after watching that trailer, I'm pretty conviced that we're going to see the same film as the first two.
We're going to have a similar arrival experience, although with the Bimbornator it might be interesting. Then we're going to be subjected to a wasteful 20-30 minutes of "Is the Bimbornator bad or good, and just where in the heck is John Connor, and why doesn't he look like Eddie Furlong, anyway?" Despite the fact that all the advertising for the film is going to make it quite obvious that Bimbornator is bad, Arnie is good.
We're going to probably have a the flimsy filler that will attempt to make a story, but will probably follow quite closley to the original plot, "John you are destined to be this great leader, you better make sure you don't die! Oh and by the way, this evil Sky-Net thing you killed in the last movie, it didn't die."
It will most likley end with a cheesy car chase scene,
The sad part though is that the coolest part, the first 15-20 minutes of the movie that takes place in the future, would probably make a more interesting and exciting movie to watch.
But the even sadder part though, I'll probably go and see it. Even though I know it'll probably suck badly, deep down I have this faint hope that they might actually make this film interesting, exciting and worth seeing.
Oh, and one last thing... Did anyone else get the feeling that when the Bimbornator was running through the forest in the red leather outfit; that for just a split second you were watching a trailer for an upcoming episode of Buffy?
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I have already seen Terminator 2!
Oh this -is- a new episode? Terminator 3? I thought it should be somehow different from the previous two episodes. I thought these people are PAID to be original and creative.
Joking apart, I am not going to waste my time and money in watching a pathetic re-make of Terminator 2. I wish nobody did, because it's about time that the habit of sqeezing out the last cent from a franchise while adding NO NEW IDEAS, came to an end.
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Very interesting that you point this out. I hadn't really considered the male angle of this phenomenon, only the female angle.
Ever notice how women on the internet almost always advertise their gender? Stained wife-beater, Hitler moustache, playground lurking perverts not withstanding, ACTUAL women truly enjoy the Internet lifestyle. This only increases exponentially with how geeky the forum is. If it's a simple screenname/handle/nick, they might be "jane125851", but if it's an MMORPG forum they might also post a pic (real or otherwise, it doesn't make a difference). I think women who are otherwise jilted by men are very attracted to the Internet, and can become addicted to the way that men act around them in a non-confrontational setting. And not without good reason either. Nerdmen on the Internet are so smitten with women with similar tastes (being on the net constitutes "a taste") that they will do virtually (pun intended) anything to please them.
I could go on and on, but I guess my point is that male geeks on the net like to advertise that they do have women, female geeks on the net like to advertise that they want attention.
the lamest explanation they could use.
It likely the arm of a Terminator contains some distributed neural processing capability consider the Terminator equivalent of muscle memory particularly part of a 'learning machine/computer' with redundant systems and fail-over capability.
The idea of Cyberdyne using off-site disaster recover or fire safe backup vault are also very credible.
Building Terminators requires advances in metallurgy.
There is also the unsettled issue of a batch of steel containing some highly unusually elements, or a part of the liquid metal terminator surviving. There are several clues that detached liquid metal is somewhat autonomous but with reduced effectiveness, how can we be sure it is all accounted for ?
If a T-800 can self repair it is likely a T-1000 Liquid metal terminator can also, perhaps this is become SkyNet.
The final point is that we as outside observers know that despite their best efforts, the future is already set. It cannot be changed, otherwise a cause and effect paradox arises. The idea that the heroes can change anything is an error in their knowledge or percecption.
All that has happened IS history. The T1 & T2 stories, the future fall, the fight for survival, and ultimatly John's victory have already happened.
I know I have just seen a trailer, but it seems like a bandwagon flick. Nothing innovative from what I can see - sorry, making the terminator a chick is just a lame gimmick. This might be a "wait for the rental".
I gotta say though, hearing that booming theme "Duh Duh Dum Da Dum" still sends chills down my spine.
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OK, that sentence, well, it was more my thinking aloud. Of course Terminator 2 is NOT the only good sequel ever. I think it is one of the better sequels, but as I added later, the Godfather trilogy, Evil Dead II and III, 2010 as a sequel to 2001 is very good (although 2001 is outstanding), Sergio Leone's "Man without a name" trilogy... yeah, I have met some worthy sequels, and now you make me regret for thinking aloud for a moment. You're not being quite fair ;o)
Now, to your point: I totally agree! They didn't develop all that much on the basic idea, now did they? However, the reason I enjoyed Terminator 2 was in part because I found interesting the idea that humans managed to utilize their enemie's weapon, by reprogramming it, I liked the idea of Arnold switching sides, and the new model of Terminator - a shape shifter. And I thought it was really well directed and visually appeasing. So, it had a few things going for it.
However, a third remake, which actually doesn't seem to bring nothing new compared to Terminator 2? No thanks. I'll maybe see it on TV when it comes out in a few years, out of curiosity. Maybe.
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