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Hollings vs. McCain on Broadband and Copyrights

tabdelgawad writes "The Washington Post has a mostly speculative article on the effects of John McCain (R-AR) replacing Ernest 'Fritz' Hollings (D-SC) as chairman of the powerful senate Commerce Committee. Topics in the article include the future of pending broadband and copyright legislation as well as the Senate's relationship with the FCC. Best quote from the article belongs to ITAA president Harris Miller: 'If Jack Valenti had been around at the time of Gutenberg he would have organized the monks to come and burn down the printing press' :-)."

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  1. Nope, Jack Valentini... by dh003i · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More appropriate to say if Jack Valentini had been around during the time of Nazi Germany, he would have led Hitler's book-burning campaign.

    1. Re:Nope, Jack Valentini... by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually he was around during the time of Nazi Germany. He spent WW2 fighting the Nazis as a bomber pilot.

    2. Re:Nope, Jack Valentini... by Jardine · · Score: 3, Funny

      That is vhat he is vanting you to think...

    3. Re:Nope, Jack Valentini... by Ashish+Kulkarni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gutenberg invented the printing press at a time when books were worth their weight in gold (in europe, at least) where even the largest of universities might have a few hundred books. No one was prepared for the revolution in publishing that occurred--just like the people in power right now. Wait, and eventually they'll lose, because they're gonna be as dead as a dodo.

    4. Re:Nope, Jack Valentini... by Imperial+Tacohead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with the principle, here, but isn't there a corollary to Godwin's Law stating that you're not actually allowed to verbally invoke Godwin's Law? I thought that you're just supposed to refrain from responding, and instead let the poster stew in his own delicious stupidity.

    5. Re:Nope, Jack Valentini... by jc42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gutenberg invented the printing press at a time when books were worth their weight in gold (in europe, at least) ...

      Well, maybe, but a funny anecdote from 220 years earlier: When Ghengis (not yet Khan) led the first Mongol exploratory expedition into the wild western lands, around 1220, one of the ways that the explorers supported themselves was by bringing along a troop of Korean printers. They made cheap printed editions of the Koran and Bible as they went, and sold them to the locals. This was, of course, one of the things that got them labelled as demons, since they were undercutting the monopoly that the local religious establishment had on these books.

      But it had no effect in Western Europe, since the Mongol troop didn't get that far. And, of course, technology already in common use in Asia was not considered real by Europeans, even after demos.

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  2. Don't look for McCain to do good. by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ever since he lost his presidential bid McCain's been the Democrats Democrat (yes, I know - He's a Republican in name only). His Stances and choices usually support what the Democrats want, and often exceeds their wildest dreams. Seeing as how the Entertainment industry is most entrenched in the DNC (Like Babs Streisand and others) look for McCain handing Everything the MPAA wants in a very short order.

    This is a bad thing for opponents of the DMCA.

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    1. Re:Don't look for McCain to do good. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's just amazingly wrong. Wow. How can you stand being so wrong?

      McCain's opponents accuse him of being a liberal because he had the audacity to run against the interests of some of the Republican party's leaders. They're still angry.

      His Stances and choices usually support what the Democrats want, and often exceeds their wildest dreams.

      Give us some examples. The American Conservative Union and the Americans for Democratic Action, two diametrically opposed organizations both rank his voting record as highly conservative. I'm a liberal Democrat and I would love it if McCain turned Democrat, but it sure as hell hasn't happened.

      Do you have any evidence to base these absurd beliefs on? Any whatsoever?

    2. Re:Don't look for McCain to do good. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ever since he lost his presidential bid McCain's been the Democrats Democrat (yes, I know - He's a Republican in name only). His Stances and choices usually support what the Democrats want, and often exceeds their wildest dreams.

      You know, I thought this petty viciousness against McCain had ended after he lost the primary in 2000. Can you offer any evidence to back up your assertions, or are you just parroting what someone told you on the radio?

      I disagree with McCain on most issues. But McCain is an honorable man. He has certainly never stooped to dirty tricks like some other people I can think of.

    3. Re:Don't look for McCain to do good. by John+Miles · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which liberal are you funding?

      From the looks of my 1040 this year, all of them.

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    4. Re:Don't look for McCain to do good. by angle_slam · · Score: 5, Informative
      The American Conservative Union and the Americans for Democratic Action, two diametrically opposed organizations both rank his voting record as highly conservative.

      Neither organization would consider McCain's 2001 year to be "highly conservative." The American Conservative Union rates senators on this page. A higher rating means more conservative. For example, Arizona Republican John Kyl scores a 100 (very conservative) while California Democrat Barbara Boxer scores a 0 (very liberal). Senator McCain scored a 68 in 2001. In 2000 he scored 81 and his lifetime rating is 84. He is obviously becoming more liberal by these ratings.

      McCain wasn't the lowest scoring Republican, as Sen. Spector from PA and both the Maine senators scored lower. McCain also scored higher than any democrat, the most conservative of whom is GA's Miller, with a score of 60. For reference, Sen. Lott scored 96 and Sen. Frist scored 100, while Sen. Daschle scored an 8 and Sen. Kennedy scored 4. So, by ACU standards, he is one of the more liberal Republicans in the Senate, though he should not be called a liberal.

      The Americans for Democratic Action have a similar system, but they score it oppositely: a rating of 0 = very conservative and a rating of 100 = very liberal. You can see a .PDF file of the 2001 ratings on this page. Sen. McCain scored a 40, higher than the lowest Democrat (Sen. Miller of GA) who scored a 35. By ADA reckoning, McCain was tied for the most liberal Republican Senator (with Spector (PA) and Sen. Snowe (ME)).

      His Stances and choices usually support what the Democrats want, and often exceeds their wildest dreams.

      Give us some examples.

      The McCain-Feingold-Cochran Campaign Reform Act. This act was assailed by many conservatives as being unconstitutional and giving incumbants free reign in their campaigns.

    5. Re:Don't look for McCain to do good. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Informative
      Bullshit.

      Only 2 things are non republican about him.

      1.) He is not aligned with the christian coalition or at least honestly admits that he disagrees with him. Most republicans will say they are christians when they are not so they will get funding from them.

      2.) He hates corruption and believes both political parties work for the American people and not special interests or corporations. He only strikes down republican bills if there is alot of pork spending.

      Big tobacco tried to oust McCain and even ran very negative campaign ads when no election was around!

      Why? Because McCain supported the right of consumers and the government to sue big tobacco companies for increasing health care costs. He did not take this position to be an all lets save everyone liberal but hundreds of millions of taxpayer money is spent on healthcare for smoke related health issues.

      McCain voted for a huge tax on big tobacco to make the difference for the costs. Many enemies in the republican party as well as lobbiests for Philip-Moris painted McCain as a big spending liberal. Behind closed doors all of McCains republican colleagues told him that Philip-morris would run negative campaign ads during the current non election year and give money to the democrats if they voted with him. His colleagues had no option but vote in favor of big tobacco. This angered McCain so much that he began to investigate the effects of soft-money had on our government. This is why he used it during the 2000 campaign.

      The other time McCain got in trouble was a big pork spending bill that would benefit the then leader Trent Lotts home district. Lott wanted to buy yet more warships that the navy specifically requested it did not want because they had too many ships and too few crewman to run them. McCain attacked Lott as a spender and things got nasty. In the end the ship was built for over 100 million of our tax dollars.

      McCain hates special interests and corruption and I am so thankful he will head the committee. He will care about our needs and will not buckle under pressure from the RIAA or MPAA. Republicans stronly believed in individual rights while liberals believed in group rights and big government. McCain I believe is our man.

  3. John McCain (R-AR) by blank_coil · · Score: 4, Informative

    John McCain (R-AR)

    AR? I thought McCain was an Arizona senator. That's AZ.

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    1. Re:John McCain (R-AR) by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Funny
      AR? I thought McCain was an Arizona senator. That's AZ.

      An amateur mistake my good fellow. It is well known to political insiders like myself that McCain is in fact Royalty. He represents the most noble gas, Argon, and its 3 stable isotopes Argon 36, 38 and 40.

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  4. Interresting Issue To Watch by DoctorPepper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will prove very interresting. On one hand, Sen. McCain is a Republican and Republicans generally favor "small" government, which can (and often does) lead to deregulation. On the other hand, Republicans have bowed-down to big business interrests in the past (does anyone really need examples?), and this could be what der Fuehrer Valenti is counting on.

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  5. Senility, then Decreptitude by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm pretty sure Jack Valenti wasn't around in Gutenberg's day. But Strom Thurmond might have been ....

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  6. It's Christmas! by Hassman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why are you guys posting! It's Christmas, go enjoy the day with your family, I can't believe what nerds you are for posting, and...

    oh wait. shit.

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  7. "Shrewd Practioner of the Art of Compromise" by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In English that means kiss half your rights goodbye on any IP issue. Note, just half. McCain is a media whore like most politicians that aspire to be anything at the national level and will not allow himself to be seen as partisan to either side. He'll try to make a sly push to appear to be the knight in shining armor that will protect both sides. But as we all know you can't protect one without harming the other.

    The situation itself is IMO part of the problem with giving the public the right to choose their senators. It used to be that the states could keep their senators on a tight leash and guarantee the death of their political career if they acted so badly. Let's face it, the public doesn't have what it takes to reign in a politician this side of Hitler or Stalin.

    One of the worst examples of compromise is Trent Lott. You all should have seen the joyous celebration at FreeRepublic when it was event hinted that he might resign. The man is not only a racist scumbag, but he compromised the values of every conservative and libertarian voter represented by the RP. I for one am glad as a (classical) Liberal to see him gone. The only thing that would make me happier is to see the 16th and 17th amendments repealed. The state legislatures need to be able to hold their senators' asses to the fire again to keep them from compromising on our rights.

    There is one thing that I should mention on that note, one of the most overlooked problems with compromise on gun control is that it puts the public in a subordinate position, armamentwise, to the local police force. Look at Philadelphia, the land of brotherly love, where every black man is a suspect and much of the PD make the Gestapo look subtle. Pink Pistols' motto says it right when it comes to armed minorities, "An armed homosexual is not a bashed homosexual." Those "common sense compromises" only make such pigs more bold in their repression of minorities and dissenters. A cop with such an approach to executing the law of the land will think twice before trying to beat someone within an inch of their lives if they think the person is armed and knows how to use the gun. That is especially true for racial and ethnic minorities.

    Sorry, half off topic, but worth noting.

    1. Re:"Shrewd Practioner of the Art of Compromise" by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a very small electorate and each state senator is thus more responsive and responsible as they can be ousted much more easily.

      We used to have this system. It didn't prevent corruption; in fact, corruption is far easier on a local level because you don't have as many people looking at what you're doing.

      What I can see happening is state legislatures ousting democratically elected Senators because they don't like their ideology. State legislatures tend to be far more conservative than their respective populations (look at Florida's legislature's actions during the 2000 election debacle).

  8. He isn't? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I agree that the Nazi connection is going over the top. However, I disagree that Valenti respects your right to be an independent film-maker, or that RIAA respects the right of garage bands that are now finding it difficult to sell their own CDs. Independent musicians who dare to sell their music directly are inevitably suspected of bootlegging, due to RIAA and MPAA pressure. We've even having trouble selling Debian CD-Rs on eBay, because their copyright policy is "you must own the copyright to the material, or it must be in the public domain".

    In the future, I suspect that MPAA and RIAA will try to make it impossible to distribute independently-created media without an expensive "anti-piracy" audit, just as license audits are used to shake down schools and businesses today.

    Bruce

  9. McCain by Goldenpi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone here said McCain is "a bad thing for opponants of the DMCA". I dont know McCain, so I cant really comment on that. But consider is from another position. IS there any way he could be worse than Hollings? Hollings was nicknamed "the senator from Disney". Hes so well known for his CDTBPA that hardware copy protection componants are refered to as Fritz chips. I dont know McCain, but there is no way he can be as awkward as Hollings. I dont follow US broadband news, but im all for more competition in the area before they start blocking p2p systems. If theres no competition thats a lot easier.

  10. Actually he seems great as far as politicians go by WebCowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the areas of policy of most concern to the Slashdot community (Telecoms, IP rights and so on), McCain is probably the best person the US has for the job. Based strictly on his voting record and the policies he defends, we often wouldn't see eye to eye, however philisophically he is very much in the same camp.

    McCain tends to take positions based on a populist stance--certainly the best way to do it in a democracy. Less so than most other politicians he listens to ALL voters--not just Republicans, or corporations, or lobby groups.

    That's probably why the Post article is all wishy-washy. Normally you can count on a Democrat to bend over and take it in the butt from Jack (Valenti, or most others in the entertainment industry cartels) and for a Republican to bend over and take it from Bill (Gates, or the BSA or others trying to lock people into their tech IP).

    McCain is going to be hard to pin down by the pundits because he'll be influenced by everyone and anyone, and the press in north America is very poor at correctly gauging what populist sentiment is--it tries to steer public opinion rather than follow it.

    All in all, it is a promising move to have committees steered by those like McCain. The press AND government these days really have a problem listening to what the public wants...

  11. The evils of copyrights by argoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know I'm going to get nailed for this, but I get so sick and tired of the garbage people spew about copyrights.

    If I said I didn't have an incentive to grow oranges unless I could plant a tree in your yard, or I said I didn't have an incentive to make cotton without owning slaves on the plantation, people would see it as the shallow and worthless arguments they are. But if I say I don't have an incentive to create and bring works into the public domain unless I have a copyright monopoly - people just take it on faith. They don't even question it. They just assume on faith that society would fall apart, and artists would be ruined without them. They ignore simle facts like that the entire renassance happened without them, and like how copyrights were originally created as a form of censorship and not a property nor an incentive to creators. They ignore and write off the consistent, dramatic, and often unpredicted success of non "owned" technologies - like Linux, tcp/ip, x86 compatable interfaces, etc...

    Not only that, but they completey ignore, blow off, or sweet talk all the bad ancillatory effects of cpoyrights. Eg the failures of hollywood culture, the unethical effects of Microsoft and other companies that leverage intellectual property in a way that does not benefit society in the slightest, biases in the media, overpriced overly revised and modified college books and books of other educational means. And the things that copyright lead to like the DMCA. They ignore things like how the effective enforcement of copyrights is going to require centralized system of checks and enforcement that is costly, invades privacy, violates due-process, and is just plain big-brotherish. And even *if* such a systyem could be held up in the US, implementing that in other countries wiothout constitutional protections could be disasterous, even murderous (eg china).

    They ignore simple physical facts. like the fact that normal property has natural limits in supply and demand - that imply markets and property law, but that information has no natural limits. If the government gave someone a monopoly on growing potatos, and then fradulently called that a market because someone could buy or sell that monopoly, they would call it big brotherish and overbearing government regulation. But when they do it with information, people just call it a right, an entitlement, they can't even see that if anything information should have less restrictions in government regulation - not more.

    If the government called the right to beat people over the head a property right, would beople just take it that that's the way things should be because they called it *PROPERTY*. Just because government or institutions call something a property does not mean that it is. Think about it.

    btw. Merry Christmas

  12. Why does Valenti have any credibility? by CatWrangler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He claimed that VCR's would doom the industry, and they turned out to be their saviour. So, other than him being able to write checks to politicians, is there anything he has to say on this issue that isn't suspect on the face of it?

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  13. Slashdot, help! by eyeball · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sorry, I don't understand. Where's the usual "This is a good thing" or "This is a bad thing" tacked on to the news item that helps me comprehend?

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  14. Re:Senator McCain by Selanit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree. Seanator McCain is very conservative. He is hawkish on the Iraq issue, and conservative on social issues such as abortion. And where these social issues intersect with tech issues, he will favor a conservative social stance. (Take, for example, his sponsorship of a resolution designating October "Children's Internet Safety Month", a term of dubious nature which could easily fit any one of a number of different positions.)

    I myself am very liberal, and disagree with him on many such issues.

    Nonetheless, John McCain is a man that I respect very much. I believe that, unlike come of his colleagues, he does his very best to serve the people. His long and vigorous struggle for campaign finance reform provides ample evidence, as do his efforts to curb wasteful spending, even in areas traditionally favored by conservatives, like Defense. He has also shown his willingness to work with Democrats on bipartisan issues. For these reasons, I respect him one hell of a lot more than Bush, or Cheney, or Hollings, all of whom spend more time serving their corporate cronies than their constituents. McCain and Senator Russ Feingold are, to my mind, the finest statesmen currently serving in Congress.

    As I say, I disagree with Senator McCain on many subjects. Given his record, however, I think he is likely to handle this appointment in a way that the tech community will approve of. I suspect that he will put up a vigorous fight against the CBDTPA, on the grounds that it's a textbook case of special interests trying to buy legislation.

    One thing I'm sure of: it's going to be an interesting ride!

  15. Commerce not only Chairmanship to watch... by drok · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a related article about the changing chairmanship of the Judiciary committee, from Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), a great advocate for the People, to Orrin Hatch (R-UT), a major supporter of DMCA.

    The article's coverage on the "News for Nerds" issues of that committee starts in pargraph sixteen, which begins "The entertainment industry's quest for legislation to stamp out the growing problem of Internet piracy..." and also touches on providing digital content online including webcaster royalties.

    -Robert