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Anime Unleashed on TechTV

da3dAlus writes "Beginning December 30, the first series of a new anime block will start on TechTV's new "Anime Unleashed" program. As billed by TechTV, "Anime Unleashed focuses on the science-fiction elements of anime--titles that imagine what our near or far future will be like, investigate the relationship between humans and machines, dream of what alien civilizations could be like, and more." The block will premiere with single half-hour episodes airing Monday through Thursday at 1am EST, followed by a two-hour block of anime on Friday from 11pm to 2am EST. Some of the series slated to be shown include Crest of the Stars, Serial Experiment Lain, Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure, Betterman, and Silent Mobius. Additionally, a contest is being held until the first of January 2003 by TechTV to create a new logo for the program."

172 comments

  1. Lain by Andorion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Serial Experiment Lain"

    One of the strangest series I've ever seen... It doesn't seem like something American audiences would like at ALL (lots of slow, moody scenes, lots of 'wtf is going on') but I'm glad TechTV is brave enough to carry it =)

    -Berj

    1. Re:Lain by spice_mauve · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, the series was strange, it was slow-moving in the beginning, but it makes you think about how we are all judged by the memories ppl have about you.

    2. Re:Lain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are probably right. Seems like any time a really good show on TV that involves the viewer having to use their brain to connect elements in a plot to produce an answer, always ends up being canceled.

      Heck the only thing on TV I watch anymore is Full metal challenge, and junkyard wars. Then the rest of it is up to 50 gigs or more of anime fansubs each month. ....

      God forbid I get capped on the amount I can download. ;)

    3. Re:Lain by Golias · · Score: 0, Troll
      Well, any sci-fi anime feature is a meaningless excercise if it fails to include Nadesico anyway.

      And yes, as an American, I've found Lain to be rather dull. I may change my tune after enduring a few more episodes, but how long can you look at drawings of empty streets without wanting to reach for the "faster" button on your DVD remote?

      (And I'm one of those Americans that actually likes Wim Wenders movies! I can't imagine what a typical American "Friends" fan would think of it.)

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    4. Re:Lain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lain is awesome,

      it's deep and moving.. but that would be too much brain power for you wouldn't...
      not baggin out americans (cos some of y'all are pretty cool)....
      but the majority of USA people i've met are self-obsessed, -ignorant people....
      U need to wake up and hear what the rest of the world is saying and stop thinking that your no.1 and your ideals are the best...
      cos what works in America works in america..
      i don't see your big name companies paying people in other country equal american wages (cos that would make some seriously rich asians/africans in their homelands.......

      but back to lain....
      i guess it's just too deep for you to understand... cos of all the resources u have available u actuall have time to watch all these anime....
      you know what...
      i think u are a "serious eplanation of being lame"...

    5. Re:Lain by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      I liked Lain -- but "deep"? Come on. It's pretty much by-the-book cyberpunk stuff. It's got a few interesting ideas, but nothing that made me say "wow" when I was done.

      BUT, my favorite thing about the series was the artwork. If Van Gogh had done anime, I'm sure that Lain would have been the result. If you enjoy the artistic aspect of anime, you ought to check it out.

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    6. Re:Lain by Golias · · Score: 1
      Modded down to 0 as a troll for expressing my honest opinion about an anime show which, quite frankly, doesn't really appeal to everybody... whatever.

      Like my post said (for those of you who now find it below your reading threshold), "Lain" can be very dull, even for people like me who occationally like slow-moving, "deep" entertainment. I've only seen a couple episodes so far, but what I have seen is chock full of long scenes where nothing is happening. If the show does it for you, fine. We don't all have to like the same things, do we?

      Sheesh!

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    7. Re:Lain by elveu · · Score: 1

      lain was reletivly deep, yes a lot of the stuff was taken from ideas (largly early mac concepts) but there was some real depth in the plot largly derived from lains interactions with society.

  2. by definition... by Andorion · · Score: 1

    "Anime Unleashed focuses on the science-fiction elements of anime--titles that imagine what our near or far future will be like, investigate the relationship between humans and machines, dream of what alien civilizations could be like, and more."

    Doesn't that cover a large majority of all anime out there? =)

    -Berj

    1. Re:by definition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, it doesn't. I watch about 40+ shows a year, and have no specific genre that i love, and i can guarantee you that most of anime is indeed not sci-fi.. some of the shows i'm currently watching that are NOT sci-fi:

      noir
      witch hunter robin
      hikaru no go
      demon eyes kyo
      kare kano
      naruto
      fruits basket
      rurouni kenshin
      el hazard
      chobits

      there's more but i can't be bothered to come up with all at the moment.. yeah so there's lots of fantasy there.. =p

      Of course, there's some sci-fi too that i'm currently watching, like:
      dot hack slash sign
      nadesico
      scryed
      outlaw star
      ghost in the shell standalone complex
      rahxephon
      turn a gundam

      yeah so i watch a lot of shows at once, but then again sometimes i can take months with just ONE series hehe

    2. Re:by definition... by bryanp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't think that Chobits and El Hazard are SF? Chobits with androids available for public purchase in streetcorner windows? El Hazard with "Priestesses" who get their powers from ancient hi-tech that has been inherited? Or a "villain" who is just powerful ancient tech herself?

      Okay, okay. So they're powerful sexy androids. :) This is anime after all.

      Now the true f'ed up thing is me. I'm watching Chobits and I'm supposed to be wanting a Chii, right? No. I want a little Sumomo. The first time I saw her I thought "Damn but she'd make pulling cable through ceilings easy." I had a mental image of Sumomo with a miners helmet and a flashlight pulling fiber through ceilings and conduits. :)

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    3. Re:by definition... by elveu · · Score: 1

      what about the massive amounts of shoujo in existance which is often very much not sci-fi. there is also a load of medieval anime too. i won't bother to mention hentai

  3. Why? by K8Fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TechTV keeps getting further and further away from it's roots. "Thunderbirds" and now anime? What's next? A TV movie? What's wrong with being the TV network about computers and technology?

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    1. Re:Why? by Andorion · · Score: 1

      Honestly... do you have to ask? You know as well as I do - it doesn't sell. There's a limited audience for what TechTV was originally supposed to be. It might not seem that way if you hang out with other techies, but it's true.

      -Berj

    2. Re:Why? by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember way back in the day, when Discovery and TLC used to be all about cool shit. Remember Connections? It was 'turn on the TV and learn about the mysteries of the universe'. Now it is 'turn on the TV and watch cops chase a criminal in a homemade vehicle while some lady with bad teeth gets liposuction and her house is redecorated'.

      The problem is that Connections doesn't sell anymore. And you have to be willing to put up with a weeks worth of 'On the Inside' US military propaganda in order to see the one cool show you want to see. Whatever they need to do to stay in buisness is OK with me.

      The only thing I watch on TechTV is 'The Screensavers'. Well, that's not true, I also watch 'Extended Play' and some kinda musical show. I could give two shits what else they play. If they need to play reruns of 'While you were Out', so be it. So long as I still get the shows I like.

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    3. Re:Why? by s0rbix · · Score: 0

      simply put, they are running out of material. it isnt easy to fill a schedule while keeping the viewers happy.

    4. Re:Why? by detritus. · · Score: 1

      TechTV runs their own live shows over and over and over already, and fills in the rest with content from british television, like techno games, tomorrow's world, titans of tech, the tech of.., thunderbirds, etc... all these are from british television. I don't know what ties techtv has, but the content is more boring and annoying than anything else, IMHO. I can only assume techtv is getting bargain deals on rights to broadcast these shows, probably because no one else wants them.

    5. Re:Why? by realinvalidname · · Score: 1
      TechTV is showing up on FC every couple of months, laying off a few more here and there... when they were launched, they probably budgeted for the crazy dot-com advertising dollars, which would allow them to create (expensive) live programming all the time. Now that's gone, there's a clear move towards cheaper programming, only keeping in production the shows that deliver ratings or advertiser interest ("Extended Play" good, John C. Dvorak bad).

      So why would anime be cheap? There's so much of it out there, that I suspect the US companies making VHS and DVD home video releases are willing to license it pretty cheap for TV in hopes of getting enough exposure that they can cut through the clutter and sell more $25 discs. Series that have run on Cartoon Network (Dragon Ball Z, Gundam Wing, etc.) have had pretty nice sales.

      realinvalidname

    6. Re:Why? by kableh · · Score: 2

      Its roots? Whats that, taking /. and fark links and regurgitating them, all the while making us endure bad puns and horrible graphics and a total lack of production values?

      Sorry. I can't stand TechTV, especially the Screen Savers. Max Headroom is good stuff though, there's something they can't fuck up too bad.

    7. Re:Why? by drfishy · · Score: 1

      I all but stopped watching The Screen Savers when Kate left. No just because she left either, it really went downhill from there...

    8. Re:Why? by istartedi · · Score: 2

      Remember way back in the day, when Discovery and TLC used to be all about cool shit. Remember Connections?

      Boy howdy. You know what trumps Discovery and TLC now? George Mason University classes. No fooling. Some of the professors rock. I've had good reviews of stuff I learned in physics, calculus, and even economics. It's a little slow, but it's truly educational and along with the stuff that has "production value" like physics demos and slick charts/graphs you get real education.

      One of the other channels I randomly surf too was running a course where you learn French just by watching videos with very little English in them. I'm not interested in this enough to actually tune in, but when I've stumbled accross it I've found myself wanting maybe to brush up on my French (4 years in highschool, long enough ago to have forgotten most of it).

      Then of course there is the ARTS channel, which shows excerpts of symphonies, ballets, etc. It's almost like teasers for the classical music business, which needs all the help it can get. Honestly; orchestras really are strapped for cash. If you napster that stuff you should be shot then drawn and quartered.

      Anyhow, the point is, high culture and truly educational material really can be found on cable, just not all on one channel, and not as a hugely successful commercial business.

      Now let's go build some robots and smash them to see if the Brits or the Americans will win a contest. It's educational. :)

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    9. Re:Why? by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2

      TechTV keeps getting further and further away from it's roots. "Thunderbirds" and now anime?

      I agree completely.

      I'm still waiting for the old G-Force cartoons(known as gatchamon in Japan). Noone has them on Kazaa, they are so hard to find. But they were hands down my favorite show when I was young. Really wish I could see it again...

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    10. Re:Why? by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 1

      Check Battle of the Planets out on Kazaa, that's the title that the DVD releases are under.

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  4. our animeic lives by asliarun · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm glad to see we're having an animeated discussion.

  5. they must have left out.. by domninus.DDR · · Score: 2, Funny

    and Friday, at 2 AM EST is the Hentai hour. Featuring the best bondage, tenticles and perversion japan has to offer. ...please?

  6. Craptacular by theArtificial · · Score: 0

    Now if only they will play the episodes in order, and make sure the dubs dont suck. Nothing like Shenmue's dub to bring an import title to life :D All your base are belong to us!

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  7. 2 hours? by nateb · · Score: 3, Funny

    two-hour block of anime on Friday from 11pm to 2am EST

    so that's 11pm cst to 2am est?

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    1. Re:2 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can cope with story submissions that reach /. with bad grammar or spelling... we are s'posedly all geeks here with no time for communication skills, right?

      But a math error? The /. editors may now commit sebukku.

    2. Re:2 hours? by Zigg · · Score: 2

      two-hour block of anime on Friday from 11pm to 2am EST

      so that's 11pm cst to 2am est?

      Maybe Daylight Savings Time hits in the middle?

    3. Re:2 hours? by Kenard · · Score: 1

      I count 3 hours there, but it is a dirrect quote from TechTV. You would expect /. to make the error but TechTV?

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  8. Yeah, Sure... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Funny

    I bet Tech TV Canada will stick to it's usual shit of running crappy Canadian shows and Screensavers re-runs.

    We don't even get Max Headroom up here, which is fucking stupid given I think Max Headroom was ostensibly a Canadian production...

    1. Re:Yeah, Sure... by Tenken · · Score: 1

      Actually TechTV Canada is currently fighting to get the rights to these anime series, if you would like to help check out this ANN article.

    2. Re:Yeah, Sure... by msobkow · · Score: 2

      It'll never happen. Anime doesn't meet Canadian Content regs. Even if it did, you'd get the Quebecois crying that there isn't a french translation.

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    3. Re:Yeah, Sure... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Canada, cable networks must get a license from the CRTC in order to operate, and those licenses must be specific in describing the format of the network.

      TechTV Canada asked for a license based on the TechTV of 2001, which was entirely a news and infomation channel. Therefore, they declared that TechTV Canada would be entirely nonfiction programming, mainly drawing on the TechTV content from the USA, with a few additonal Canadian-made shows to satisfy the CanCon rules.

      Therefore, when TechTV USA realized that the all-day TechLive format wasn't going to survive, the flagship network could change directions without having to ask for permission. Canada couldn't, so they're stuck replaying what nonfiction the USA group is producing over and over again to fill their day.

      In order for Thunderbirds, Max Headroom, or Anime Unleashed to make it to Canada, they need to clear that regulartory hurdle first.

    4. Re:Yeah, Sure... by slitfinger · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? The CRTC also requires that a certain percentage of the content is Canadian. The time slots where the thunderbirds and max headroom are supposed to be are filled with Canadian made shows like NextTV and shiftTV. Programs like eyedrops and that robot one aren't really news like and they do get aired on techtv canada.

    5. Re:Yeah, Sure... by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      The requirement isn't "news" but "non-fiction". Any purely fictional show is straight-out no matter what its origin.

      Eye Drops always contains one profile of an artist who designs the animation that is seen in the show, therefore barely salvaging a "non-fiction" claim. TechnoGames is a made-for-TV competition, but it's not fictional at all so that works too.

      I think TechTV Canada's requirement is at 20% CanCon right now, increasing 10% each year so that in its 5th year of operation they'll need to be at 50%.

    6. Re:Yeah, Sure... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      I guess I'll be dumping Tech TV Canada then. I thought 35% was the highest CanCon went? Fucking stupid system. Wouldn't be so bad if the CRTC mandated it had to be A) DECENT, and B) not the same show repeated 50 fucking times!

    7. Re:Yeah, Sure... by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. Max Headroom was originally produced for British TV, either by BBC or Channel 4. The stateside version may have done production in Canada for financial reasons, though.

  9. Language by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm assuming that it's all English dubbed anime, bad, very bad.

    1. Re:Language by evilskull · · Score: 1

      Actually, Dual was pretty bad no matter what language you watch it in.

    2. Re:Language by Ninja+Master+Gara · · Score: 1
      Anything that makes anime just that more mainstream can only be good for hardcore anime fans. Anything that makes the market grow means more anime, faster, for less, whether it's subbed or dubbed. I doubt we'll see subtitled anime on TV in the near future, but developing the market can only be a good thing.

      My vision is set on the $15 Anime DVD that sell hundreds of thousands if not millions of copies. Maybe I'll even still be alive to see it.

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    3. Re:Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderators are on fucking crack the parent was modded as insightful, what for fucking rainman!

    4. Re:Language by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      I'm assuming that it's all English dubbed anime, bad, very bad.
      Yes, except that all English dubbed anime is not bad,

      Yes, there are some bad examples, but there are also examples of excellent dubbing.

      Oh damn, I just entered a sub vs. dub debate. Yech.

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    5. Re:Language by Genom · · Score: 2

      Actually, Dual was pretty bad no matter what language you watch it in.

      Actually, I didn't think it was *that* bad, if you take it as a pseudo-satire of Eva...Eva-Lite, if you will.

      Of course, the ending completely sucked, but then again, so did the ending to .hack//Sign...

    6. Re:Language by freeweed · · Score: 1, Troll

      If you prefer, we could always dub it in Klingon.

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    7. Re:Language by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

      or here's a novel idea.....have it dubbed in JAPANESE!! I still prefer raw vs even subbed. Hell, they can put subs into the closed captioning.

    8. Re:Language by theArtificial · · Score: 0

      It was just short, they did leave it open for a sequal. However most 12/13 episode shows generally suck because they try and cram too much into too little, or just end it abruptly (Onegai Teacher).

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    9. Re:Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you watched enough of .hack to even make it to the end, you have absolutely NO taste at all. That's go to be the worst anime series I ever watched 3 episodes of.

    10. Re:Language by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      Well, I can't deny that, but I got trapped you see. Once you watch subs, you can never go back to dubs.

    11. Re:Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, since every single native Japanese speaker is a masterful orator and it's impossible for an American to speak unless he's tripping over his own tongue.

      There's nothing wrong with dubs. Yes, some of them are bad, but for every Megumi Hayashibara there's always a David Lucas (Spike from Cowboy Bebop).

  10. Re:thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get in here YouFailIt guy! Save us from this scourge right away!

  11. It's good thing... by acehole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's good they're bringing anime to the masses that want to watch it for the artistic and entertainment vaule.

    One thing that really really really gets up my nose is the uneducated trolls (to put it nicely) that whine about how Japanese Anime is nothing more than tentacle rape and hentai with gracious panty shots and fanservice inbetween.

    Now for each example you'd be giving me of such things, I could come up with at least 20 or more mainstream anime that contains none of that.

    It's better than the unoriginal crap that disney puts out. It's also done for entertainment with a twist on artistic value, not just an excuse to churn out merchandise.

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    1. Re:It's good thing... by Tenken · · Score: 1

      Does anyone really think this way anymore? Hell, look at the vast amounts of prime time anime on Cartoon Network, whose 'Adult Swim' block has done wonders for anime fandom stateside. And lets not forget to mention the seemingly endless pile of crap-anime that they market to kids. Honestly, I'm more worried about people thinking all anime is as mindless as yugi-oh or dbz...

    2. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever notice how anime is always compared favorably to the "crap" Disney puts out?

      Better wake up, mouseketeers. These anime companies are getting ready to eat your lunch.

    3. Re:It's good thing... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      What are some examples of anime that don't give fanservice? (not counting kids anime, ie pokemon, etc)

      I'm just thinking of my favorite series...Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Kenshin, Love Hina ;)

      Of those the least fan service would be Kenshin (pretty rare), but all the others are full of it :)

      I have to take issue that disney is crap too.

      and if you think they don't churn out the merchandise, you'd be wise to check out sites that do japanese imports, or go to an anime store in the states even (there are a couple near me, not a big metropolis) and see the commercialized crap--it's worse in japan too from what I understand.

    4. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time that disney put something out that was original and fresh? And not just a rehashed tale of old? or a straight to video sequel to one of them?

      Gee lets see now, What have they just spat out into the world? Treasure planet... that looks like a fresh new idea full of orginality.

    5. Re:It's good thing... by Golias · · Score: 3, Informative
      Fan service on Trigun??? The only two regular female characters are always wearing heavy dusters over loose clothing.

      Cowboy Bebop is also not terribly gratuitous. Yes, Fay Valentine dresses and acts kind of slutty when she is working her cons, but that's just following the "lovely pickpocket" that goes back to Lauren Bacall in "To Have or Have Not." It serves the story, not just young perverts looking for cartoon T&A.

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    6. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate fucking IE, it's been fucking up on comment submission. I had a nice troll written out and you guys will never see it now. I've moved my mp3s time to go 100% Linux............what doesn't work in wine isn't needed.

    7. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      it's good they're bringing anime to the masses that want to watch it for the artistic and entertainment vaule.
      It has little entertainment and artistic value. I have not seen any spectacular anime of late.

      One thing that really really really gets up my nose is the uneducated trolls (to put it nicely) that whine about how Japanese Anime is nothing more than tentacle rape and hentai with gracious panty shots and fanservice inbetween.
      At least this anime is amusing, and most people will deny they ever saw a porno too, much less enjoyed it, this is puritin America remember?

      Now for each example you'd be giving me of such things, I could come up with at least 20 or more mainstream anime that contains none of that.
      Yes please name all of the droll, hero fights a monster anime, please!

      It's better than the unoriginal crap that disney puts out. It's also done for entertainment with a twist on artistic value, not just an excuse to churn out merchandise.
      Yes, a twist on artistic value, just like the artist who shits in the middle of the museum and calls it art.
      Some anime is good, some of it has a plot, some of it is funny, but most of it is regurgitated kiddy fare that has associated happy meal toys.
    8. Re:It's good thing... by superjaded · · Score: 1

      Heh, Japan is even more commericalized than America is, honestly. It's almost silly how much goodies I got with a Limited Edition R2 I bought a few months ago..

      * superjaded looks at his smallish stack of anime OSTs/singles and hides his drool from a Boogiepop Phantom artbook he's been eying..

      Nope, I never fall victim to the Japanese market machine. :/

      But as far as fanservice goes, it really just depends what you consider fanservice.. or what you consider kiddy...

      Here's some stuff off the top of my head:

      Saishuuheiki Kanojo (yes.. I know it has some eh, risque scenes but they're done in such a way that I'd be afraid if anyone "got off" on these scenes :/ hardly a service to the fans)
      Grave of the Fireflies
      Princess Mononoke
      Mimi wo Sumeseba
      Azumanga Daioh
      Haibane Renmei
      NieA_7
      Serial Experiments Lain
      Boogiepop Phantom
      Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou
      Hana Yori Dango
      Juuni Kokki
      Crest of the Stars (Seikai no Senki I/II/Seikai no Danshou)
      Blue Sub 6 .hack (Sign/Liminality)
      Inuyasha
      Kaze no Yojimbo
      To Heart
      Kanon
      Comic Party
      Cardcaptor Sakura
      Full Moon wo Sagashite (these two are probably stretching it from the "kiddy" angle..)
      sCRYed
      Witch Hunter Robin (I've not seen all of it.. but I don't remember any fanservice)
      Shaman King
      Star Ocean EX
      RahXephon (that I remember)
      Sentou Yosei Yukikaze
      i - wish you were here
      Whistle!
      Initial D (atleast I hope to god there's no fanservice in here -- butt ugly character designs)
      Spiral
      Piano
      Ah! My Goddess: The Movie (don't remember if there was any in the OAV, but if there was, not much)
      Escaflowne
      Boys Be..
      Fruits Basket
      You're Under Arrest
      Laputa: Castle in the Sky
      Kaze no Tani no Naushika
      Getbackers (That I've seen)
      Kanojo to Kanojo no neko
      X (no fanservice for guys, anyway ;))

    9. Re:It's good thing... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      Right good point, I wasn't thinking much of Trigun when I wrote my message.

      That's the thing that gets me about a lot of anime though. Yes, Cowboy Bebop has great art, good storyline (honestly, I liked it while watching it, but now don't like much at all--didn't age well for me), GREAT music, yet it's got Faye too who imho is all about the T&A. And tell all the people who have Faye wallscrolls etc that it's not about the T&A ;) (myself included)

    10. Re:It's good thing... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen a lot of those series but one thing in my mind--I consider most of the Miyazaki works childrens. I also seem to be about the only person who didn't like Mononoke :)

      As for some of those, like Kanon, I believe it was a bit racier in manga form.

      You do a good list, though MOST of what you listed is not exactly what I would call mainstream (outside of jpn at least).

      Another thing that strikes me (on an unrelated tangent), is that a lot of people seem to think that anime like DBZ, Pokemon, etc are driven solely be American idiots. But otoh, these series (some of them at least) have 100's of episodes and afaik are in Japanese first always--so they've got to be popular in japan too, not like all the anime that shows there is pure and good. It bothers me when there are people woh claim to like anything that is anime. That's like saying I like any American cartoon. Cowboy Bebop and Kanon are nothing alike--and neither of them are like Castle of Cagliostro. A lot of the people who claim to like all anime, imho, need to get over their japanese obession and realize that they just want to be counter-culture (less so today) or in with whatever group thinks anime is cool today (not saying this is you at all).

      Another side note, what's your opinion of the artwork in Lain? I couldn't watch a single episode because I HATED the artwork. Really bothered me (I hated FLCL too).

      thanks sorry for rambling :p

    11. Re:It's good thing... by GTRacer · · Score: 2
      Better wake up, mouseketeers. These anime companies are getting ready to eat your lunch.

      Or better yet, the Mouseketeers better look behind them because Disney is eating itself. Who has the exclusive U.S. distro rights to Miyazaki? Disney. Who has alrady released to theatres and video three of his best (IMHO, need to see more)? Disney.

      Who winds up looking like shit when Dismey releases Miazaki's work? Disney.

      Excluding Pixar's excellent fare, there's not much in Disney's recent catalog to be proud of. I mean, damn! I saw Spirited Away at Pleasure Island and couldn't escape the sheer vividness and variety of the character design. Or the plot. Or the atmosphere. Or the smooth high-quality ink & paint.

      While I applaud Disney for bringing us such bounty, someone in the Mouse's House needs to borrow some of the DVDs...

      GTRacer
      - No subs for me, thank you!

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    12. Re:It's good thing... by Genom · · Score: 2

      I have a few friends that refise to believe anime is anything other than hentai stuff...sad, but true. Their first exposure was Urotsukidoji (aka: Overfiend), and I guess it scarred them for life.

      As for the kids-crap anime...a lot of it isn't as bad as it looks on american tv. My fiancee and I kind-of got into Yugioh, mostly laughing at the "seriousness" of it all (We used to be heavily into the Magic card game, back when it was popular - we knew people who took the game as seriously as that show...and we laughed at them too ;P ). Then we decided to order some cheap subbed versions on Ebay...HUGE difference (if you can get around the sometimes-amusing "engrish" subbing job).

      Evidently japanese children can understand such concepts as "mystery" and "that will be explained later" - whilst american kids get the "everything laid out" version, with extra "special effects" added in to fill the time cut out by removing any halfway-intelligent scene. Sure, the first season is all about selling cards. Lots of cards. The later seasons start to get rather odd, though...and some of the episodes are quite enjoyable in japanese.

      DBZ, though, is completely mindless action. I'll agree there =)

    13. Re:It's good thing... by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What exactly is the problem with 'gracious panty shots?'

    14. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for some of those, like Kanon, I believe it was a bit racier in manga form.

      I think you are confusing your Kanons. Kanon the Manga is about a violin virtuoso. Kanon the anime is about a kid who returns to the city he grew up in and meets people he's met before but cannot remember at all. There's a Demon Hunter who hunts in their middle school (at least that's the impression I get), a fox spirit, a ... well, I don't want to give it all away. Piro(Fred) from Megatokyo is heavy into Kanon. He has some comments under some strips. 0 fan service, just lots of kawaii characters.. uguuu~
    15. Re:It's good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will someone fix the slashcode so previewing looks something like the final post? If you are making a preview, I think it should follow the same format as that little dropdown next to the preview button.

    16. Re:It's good thing... by superjaded · · Score: 1

      Heh, I love Lain's artwork -- I wouldn't have a wallscroll hanging on my wall from it otherwise. :)

      yoshitoshi ABe (responsible for atleast the designs/manga for Lain, Niea Under 7, and Haibane Renmei) is probably my favorite Japanese/anime artists.. rivaled only by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto.. who does the designs for GAINAX studios, responsible for such things as Neon Genesis Evangelion and FLCL..

      Although, what do you mean by "artwork," exactly? Did you not like how the characters were styled, or did you find the animation less than stellar? I would admit that from what I remember, I don't think Lain had that great animation..

      And like someone else said, Kanon was originally a dating sim turned into an anime. I'm not sure whether it's a hentai (pornographic) game, but yeah.. I'm sure its original form is a lot more racy than the anime, but that was a list of anime.. not games. ;) To Heart and Comic Party were also based on hentai games, but were made in such a way that you'd only know they were based on hentai is if you did the research yourself.

    17. Re:It's good thing... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I saw it. I had indeed gotten it mixed up thinking it was a H-manga rather than an H-sim. You're right though.

    18. Re:It's good thing... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      I don't know what it is, but the style of the people--specifically the way their faces looked in both FLCL and Lain really bothered me. I really don't know why--I do tend to like a more cartoony style I guess--Mahoromatic's style I enjoyed a lot, Love Hina of course ;) and Eva was good too. Cowboy Bebop I definitely appreciate, but it's not something I particularly like stylistically.

      cheers

  12. Narrowing it down SO much by Robotech_Master · · Score: 4, Funny
    "titles that imagine what our near or far future will be like, investigate the relationship between humans and machines, dream of what alien civilizations could be like, and more."
    So that's, what, most of it?
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    1. Re:Narrowing it down SO much by kumokasumi · · Score: 1

      Well. The bits that aren't about treasure hunting or arbitrarily killing people or saving the world with supernatural powers. ... That actually is about it, isn't it! o.O; kamisama ga Wired ni iru...

  13. A pearl of wisdom in that last blurp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Additionally, a contest is being held until the first of January 2003 by TechTV to create a new logo for the program."

    Slashdot needs one of these too. What *IS* that disembodied head thing supposed to be anyway?

    1. Re:A pearl of wisdom in that last blurp... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      The head of Sasami or Pretty Sammy I believe. The 500 some odd year old little girl in Tenchi Muyo. She is Aeka's little sister and is friends with that cabbit. I can't remember how to spell the name and thousands of anime fans will feed me to the tentacle demons if I misspell it.

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    2. Re:A pearl of wisdom in that last blurp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Ryo-oki, dumbfuck. (and the spelling really isn't as important as the pronounciation, which is why you might also see it spelled 'Ryo-ohki' or some such phonetically similar shit)

      Now go fuck yourself.

    3. Re:A pearl of wisdom in that last blurp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it's Sasami because Sasami has two little red triangles on her forehead and the icon doesn't.

    4. Re:A pearl of wisdom in that last blurp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My...didn't we wake up with a sore asshole this morning.

  14. Oh great more children's programming by flopsy+mopsalon · · Score: 0, Troll
    This is depressing. The western tradition of science fiction has given us such meditations on human knowledge, technology, and man's place in the universe as "The Martian Chronicles", "Foundation", "Ender's Game", "E.T., The Extra Terrestrial", "2001: A Space Oddysey", "Star Trek", "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep", "Neuromancer", "Snow Crash", and "Solaris", to name but a very few.

    By contrast, the Hello Kittly-loving, schoolgirl-obssessed, infantilized Japanese pop culture machine gives us comic books and cartoons, conisiting of rape scenes, panty shots, giant robot fights, and "nekomimi", along with the occasional destruction of a city. Puerile entertainment that hardly bears mentioning in comparion to real works of science fiction. When the Japanese cartooning industry produces its own "I, Robot", its own "Ringworld", its own "Demon With A Glass Hand and other stories", then I will be impressed. Until then, this whole anime business is just a bunch of sexed up, gory "Transformers" episodes.

    Sorry to sound like flamebait, but this is a matter I feel strongly about.

    1. Re:Oh great more children's programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice Troll!

      Seriously, what are you retarded?

      -Tofusensei

    2. Re:Oh great more children's programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever seen Ghost in the Shell?

      dumbass

    3. Re:Oh great more children's programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch Serial Experiements Lain, it's a very deep look at society and technology, and definitely not something a kid should be watching...also other greats such as Princess Mononoke and Ghost in the Shell...I know your post is probably just flamebait/trolling, but if it's serious, your views on anime seem to be molded by seeing only cartoon network and apparently a large exposure to hentai...broaden your horizons and check out some of the ones I mentioned, or ask around for more...there is a lot of great anime out there right up there with american animation

    4. Re:Oh great more children's programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing is, that sounds like a standard troll
      To say it like this, I once trolled rec.arts.anime.misc with a similar message (just for a little fun of course, I'm no big troll).

      But I'll bite. You may feel strongly about it, but
      to me you just sound very uneducated.. I mean,
      I watch tons of anime, and I do not recognize
      what you're saying.. yes of course I understand
      where you're coming from, but most of anime is NOT like that.

      Yes, hollywood has a few good movies each year, and have had some real classics, but were I to compare japanese animation to hollywood, japanime
      would win hands down. Not even a contest. My ratio of anime to hollywood is like 20:1 or something. Of course that may just be my taste, but I pity all those who never get to experience all the incredible creativity that is found in anime that is found nowhere else. Hollywood has good production values and presentation, and sometimes a good story too, but as anime is not a very fluid medium framerate-wise, it is much more about storytelling and great character, mixed with the crazyness of japan. Hollywood can't compete with that. I mean.. xXx made what.. 150 million bucks? says everything =p LOTR rocks though.

  15. Needs more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Leo Laporte tentacle rape, and John C. Dworak in schoolgirl outfit

    I'd pay money to watch that.

    1. Re:Needs more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhmmm.... So I take it fat old men are what does it for you.

  16. Poor techtv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    TechTV is doing all it can to keep its breath. By adding anime they are hopeing to attract more viewers.

  17. Re:Christmas story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod up! Hilariously funny!

  18. The face of Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Take this you white supremacist idiots!

    Now even the science has demolished your ideal aryan Jesus image, eh?

    1. Re:The face of Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ideal aryan image? Christ is a figment of somebody's imagination, moron. Religion is a crutch for the weak and the gullible morons of this world.

    2. Re:The face of Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Every few years, right around Christmas or Easter, some magazine publishes some "scientific" analog of what Jesus was likely to have looked like, thinking they are going to shake the foundations of the entire Western world by showing that the real Jesus didn't look much like all those paintings of him by Italian artists.

      A few facts are overlooked, though:

      1) These extrapolations are often almost as wrong as those paintings, because the researchers didn't really do all their homework. The skin color in that picture is probably right, but the hair is way too short. Jewish men at that time wore long hair and earlocks, like the orthodox Jews of today.

      2) Most Christians, even the White Separatist nuts, are perfectly aware that Jesus was not a white guy. He was from Nazareth, probably spoke Aramaic, and never set foot north of the Medeteranian Sea in his life.

      3) Nobody gives a rat's fuck what he looked like. People like him because he's the Son of God and taught people about love and humility, not because of some preceived family resemblance.

  19. anime galore by katalyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm fond of animations, but the amount of anime out there is IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of. A question tho, how does one differentiate between conventional animation and anime? Are all japanese animations anime?? (and i aint talkin abt huntai)
    I loved stuff like Robotech, Force Five features , but then I liked stuff like the Transformers too. Stuff like Dragon Ball Z didn't grab my attention. I haven't heard of these animes which TechTV is plannin to screen...

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    1. Re:anime galore by Muggins+the+Mad · · Score: 1

      > A question tho, how does one differentiate between conventional animation and anime? Are all japanese animations anime??

      I'm really really not an expert, but I *have* found that most of the "anime" I've tried watching is irritating and headache inducing. Sorry, there does often seem to be a good story there, but I can't get to it through the shocking framerate and flashing lights. Before you say I obviously haven't seen [insert favourite] note that I'm not talking about the *story*. I'm talking about the horrible display quality. Is there any good anime that is smooth and watcheable?

      "animation" seems to be a lot smoother, and lets you get far enough to see there's rarely an actual story behind it :)

      - Muggins the Mad

    2. Re:anime galore by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      Blame the creator, not the format.

      Generally the production value goes up in movie publications, but there is a lot of crap out there too, so it's hard to judge. Granted it's none of that touched up CG stuff that disney does. All animation chops framerate when possible.

    3. Re:anime galore by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      A question tho, how does one differentiate between conventional animation and anime? Are all japanese animations anime?? (and i aint talkin abt huntai)
      'Anime' is the Japanese word for animation. Animation produced in Japan is known as anime. Pretty simple, really.

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    4. Re:anime galore by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      Is there any good anime that is smooth and watcheable?
      Anime produced for theatrical release (Anything by Ghibli Studios, Ghost In The Shell, etc.) or for direct-to-video release (The original Bubblegum Crisis series, etc.) tend to have the production budgets required for the creation of the number of cels necessary to make the final product look good. Anime created for episodal TV (DBZ, etc.) is mainly designed to sell toys, and actual production values and budgets are very low.

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    5. Re:anime galore by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2

      Are all japanese animations anime?

      Well, anime is simply the French word for animation, so yes. It's also easier to say than Japanese Animation or the incredibly hackneyed Japanimation (Ick).

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  20. All right ... by Lolaine · · Score: 0

    But someone , please, can explain me the end of "Akira" ? 6 years later and still dont get it ...

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  21. some good anime by dav · · Score: 2, Informative

    Serial Experiment Lain is one of the best productions of any sort that I've seen in a long time. I actually have not seen the entire series yet, but I think it is a fantastic example of cutting edge animation, and so far not a single tentacle rape scene! Tivo has been sporadically grabbing Lain episodes for me for awhile now, I might have to look into getting Tech TV just for that.

    I also have come to enjoy Cowby Bebop. It's an odd mixture of sci-fi anime, westerns and late 50's jazz beat. There's a lot more to anime than what I had assumed at first. There's a lot of potential in this artistic medium that is only now surfacing in The States.

    1. Re:some good anime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the end of the series has the most spectacular tentacle rape scene ever.

      j/k Honestly Lain is probably my favorite anime series out there and definetly a must watch for any computer geek that likes anime.

      also on the tech/humanity side of anime is "Key the metal idol" another great anime. no tentacles tho :(

    2. Re:some good anime by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2

      the end of the series has the most spectacular tentacle rape scene ever.

      Ah, there's no tentacle rape, just a lot of tentacles. And a big bloodshot eye.

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  22. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you will be watching, right?

  23. lookout bullow/run for your ?options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    despite billyuns of dollars of J.'s hardearned being speNT on billonlyUS ?pr? canpains to .continue MiSinforming US, cullaming the "rebirth" of the dead&stinking stock markup "bull", already twice reincarnatdead buy george, & the other felons over at wall street of deceit, the rest of the wwworld now sees US as represeNTdead buy a handful of Godless, greed/fear based payper liesense FraUD peddling felons.

    wake up J., the "smoking gun" is poiNTdead at you. our "domestic terroists"/felons are @leased as dangerous to US as our published 'enemIEs'.

    WHOaRE the REAL .commIEs?

    stay tuned for more from capitollist vdo, 0perating from the basemeNT of an abandoned k-mart, somewhere in the kode blew zone. mod US up robbIE, you know IT's a little smelly DOWn here.

  24. Re:Things happening in my grandmas trailor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the time this happened, I was 21 and had just graduated college. I went back to my hometown for a break over the summer, and I started hanging out at my best friend Jake's trailer, where he still lived with his mother. I know it's cliche', but she worked nights as a cashier in a convenience store. Anyway, I would stay over there a lot, along with my younger sister Anne who was dating Jake at the time, and there would be other people around.

    To try to make a very long story shorter, my sister and Jake became obsessed with an old Ouija board that they found. They played with it all the time. The rest of us would watch and laugh, but Jake and Anne were really into it. I should tell you before I go any further that we were all in our early twenties and late teens, and naturally there was some drinking going on occasionally, but... I graduated with honors in music composition, Anne is now a professional theatre performer, and Jake is the youngest Mayor in the state of Louisiana. What I'm saying is, we weren't ignorant rednecks.

    Eventually Anne could work the Ouija board all by herself. She carried on conversations with what she said was the spirit of a little boy who had died in the area. One night a few of us were watching her. The planchette was really cruising around the board, when it suddenly kept repeating, "STOP. DARKNESS. STOP. DARKNESS." Over and over. Things began to change after that.

    The trailer started to feel different at night. When Anne played with the board, it was now using a different name, one with a lot of consonants in it. I still remember the name, but I haven't said it since then and I'm not going to repeat it here. She was convinced that she was in contact with something sinister, and she stopped using the board.

    All of us had experiences after that. The first one that I remember is that Jake and I were watching TV late one night and the closet by the front door clicked open. We kind of looked at each other and laughed, and Jake got up and closed the door. A few minutes later it came open again. We both looked into the closet to see if something was preventing the door from shutting properly, but we didn't see anything. After the door opened again that night, we gave up.

    Not long after that, Jake started wanting me to stay over every night. He didn't want to be alone, and it's amusing to think I could have helped him; Jake is 6-3 and 220, and I'm 6-0 and weigh about 170. I started staying, and things kept happening.

    There was a constant heaviness in the air. I began to be really afraid to pass by his sister Brandi's room. Brandi was about 8 at the time. She was a Downs Syndrome child. She stayed at her grandmother's at night so she was never there. I had never even really noticed her room before, but suddenly I was afraid of it. The bad thing was that you had to pass by her room to go down the hall to the bathroom. At first I would sort of run past her door, and every hair on my neck would stand up. I'm not sure how long this went on before I gave up and started going outside to use the bathroom. There was no way in hell I was going down that hall by myself.

    One night Jake, Anne, and I were in the living room. I was sitting on the couch with my back against the wall to Brandi's room. There was a long mirror on the wall behind me. We were just talking when Jake and Anne turned white. They were staring behind me. I said, "What's wrong?" They said, "Did you hear that?" I had heard nothing at all, but it was obvious that they were really really scared, so we all went outside to talk. They told me that something had pounded the wall behind me so hard that the mirror shook. This had happened 3 or 4 times, and they said it was LOUD. By the looks on their faces, I was absolutely convinced that they believed they were telling me the truth.

    The last night I stayed there, Jake went to pick up Anne from her job, and I was at the trailer alone. I'll admit I was very nervous, and I honestly can't remember why I didn't go with him. I was watching Saturday Night Live on TV, and I had to use the bathroom. I went outside, needless to say. When I came back in things felt very very very bad. The TV was on a different channel, which was nothing unusual, because the channels would change all the time. But I just felt like I had to get out. I sat out on the porch and smoked and waited for them to get back. When we all walked in, Anne turned back around and said, "I'm not staying here tonight." We took her home, and Jake practically begged me to go back with him, which I did. That night was the worst for me. We went straight to sleep, or tried to anyway. I slept on a mat beside Jake's bed when I was over there, and I remember lying there for hours listening to footsteps moving up and down the hall outside the bedroom door. I have never wished for sleep so badly in my life. But I just couldn't sleep with all the noise and the weird feelings. Finally I felt myself getting sick. I got up and stumbled outside and vomited. I told Jake we were leaving, and he agreed. I never stayed there again.

    I went back only once more. I was supposed to meet Jake and Anne and some other friends there. I was the first one there. As I reached the porch, I was overwhelmed, and I couldn't go in. I didn't even want to stay in the yard anymore. I got in my car and left. BAD VIBES. I found out later that that was a really bad night for Jake and Anne. Things had gotten very active, and something had revealed itself to Anne in the mirror.

    In closing, a couple of points:

    1. Anne and Jake had much worse experiences than I did. I've only related the things that happened while I was present. They still don't talk about it.

    2. Neither Jake's mom nor his sister Brandi ever noticed anything odd was going on, as far as I know.

    3. Jake's grandmother, a very religious woman, eventually toured the trailer saying prayers and speaking in tongues. Jake said everything stopped after that.

    4. Jake built his house on the same spot where the trailer was. I've been back a few times, and felt nothing unusual.

  25. Honestly i am just sick of Disney's.... by GargoyleTS · · Score: 1

    broken home syndrome. Has anyone else noticed that EVERY disney movie the central character comes from a broken home? I haven't found one that doesn't. Even the latest offering, Treasure Planet, is another broken home. Family values my ass!

    1. Re:Honestly i am just sick of Disney's.... by Golias · · Score: 1
      I've noticed that as well. As I was watching "Lilo and Stitch" in the theater a few months ago, I found myself asking "holy shit, is there even one Disney animation director who grew up with both of their biological parents!?"

      And these are the same people who kick gays out of their theme parks.

      (By the way, where is the logic there? I would think that Disney World could pretty much be a gay Mecca. The whole place looks like what the world would be like if it were run by gay drag queens... and furries, too, I guess.)

      I think the One Guardian rule is not so much a result of Disney's social agenda, as it is part of the formula... and Disney never strays from the formula (until they give up on a project, as with The Emporer's New Groove). The One Guardian is just another manditory tool, like the Funny Undersized Sidekick. Disney Cartoons are like Bond movies. You pretty much know what to expect. In fact, I would argue that Bond movies are slightly less predictable than Disney cartoons. Every now and again, there's a Bond movie without a ski chace.

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    2. Re:Honestly i am just sick of Disney's.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And these are the same people who kick gays out of their theme parks.
      I see we're not going to let facts get in the way of a good story.

      On a certain day (or weekend or whatever) of each year a lot of gay people decide to go to WDW. It isn't a Disney sponsored nor even an acknowledged event. The Southern Baptist Convention likes to demonize Disney every year during their annual convention and occasionally call for boycots of Disney stuff because they are too gay friendly and don't support family values. The Baptists point to this "Gay Day" and various ABC shows that have gay characters (they particularly hated "Ellen"). The official Disney stance was (and is) that they air shows that reflect a variety of backgrounds, and that their theme parks are open to everyone and if a lot of gay people decide to come down on a certain day, that is fine with them as it is no different than a lot of groups that like to go to Disney. They basically told the SBC to shove it up their collective asses. I thought that was quite refreshing for them to come out with such a strong statement whereas most large image-concious companies would waffle and side-step such issues.

      On a lighter note, some have pointed out that if Disney didn't allow gay people into their theme parks, then they would lose most of their male work staff.

      To try to get back on topic, I have found that the anime appeal was lost on me a long time ago and I find it annoying that the Cartoon Network is now being taken over by these horrible clone shows (talk about using a formula for your stories). They are just all knock-offs of each other and they pretty much all look and sound just like 25 year old Speed Racer shows (and they all seem to have their own version of Chim Chim). I enjoyed "Akira" and "Vampire Hunter D" when I rented them on video about 10 years ago, but the recent flood of "me-too" shows and the crapy animation is horrible. I think the only appeal now are the people who check out the hentai on usenet then tune in to watch the schoolgirl dressed characters on TV.

    3. Re:Honestly i am just sick of Disney's.... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

      I really haven't seen the anime makes it to Cartoon Network these days, but, IMO, the USA cartoons of late simply don't look good to me. The Tenchi, BeBop and Outlaw Star on CN looks better to me than most of anything else I've seen on there, except for the cartoon classics, I suppose. The recent USA stuff sometimes makes Simpsons look like high art. YuGiOh and some other anime does look like crap.

      BTW, I do like Simpsons, Futurama and did like the one episode of Invader Zim that I caught, I guess the last two are on CN.

      I guess animation in general is just crap, but I don't mind so much as I can and do pick and choose what I watch.

      As for animation vs. drawing style, I guess I prefer good drawing style animated not so well than a simpler drawing style animated well.

  26. I neve have never by Kurt+Russell · · Score: 1

    liked japan type animation, except speed racer. oh and Ultra man, but that wasn't really a cartoon. I was a little kid, You are grown men. I think?
    Sheesh!

    1. Re:I neve have never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, so I can't enjoy anything hand-drawn and/or animated anymore because I'm 22? Wow, gee, thanks for clearing that up. :rolleyes:

    2. Re:I neve have never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, Mr. Russell, would you prefer I watch some cinematic masterpiece like Soldier or Captain Ron or maybe the academy award winning Tango and Cash?

  27. Wow by gonadware · · Score: 0

    Just when you thought TechTV couldn't get any gayer.

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  28. (sort of) OT: Why? by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2

    Can I please ask what the big draw of Anime is? I mean the actual animation isn't terribly great (I think the OLD Transformers cartoons were drawn better), and from the little I've watched, the story lines aren't terribly great either. Is it just me that doesn't get it?

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    1. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by archveult · · Score: 1
      from the little I've watched

      Why do people even bother asking why, with that admission?

      Spend 15 minutes on the web looking at the opinions of others, watch a few of the good anime, and then answer the question for yourself.

    2. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      two points:

      1: The old Transformers cartoons were made by Japanese animators.

      2: Yes, it's just you that doesn't get it.

    3. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's prolly a few more things ur ass don't get, like pussy and respect....

    4. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by superjaded · · Score: 1

      People's taste vary, while I think a given person is more likely to like anime (if they give it ampule chance) than something from Disney simply because of the enormous variety found in animation from Japan. As should be implied though, anime isn't for everyone.. so perhaps it's not for you. That's your choice to make, not ours.

      I like anime because, for one, I've always liked animation and two, anime offers more mature storylines that most Disney preprocessed stuff out there. I won't argue that anime is any more mature than some of the American live action stuff out there, but saying that there wasn't much storyline to them just proves that you've probably only seen what Blockbuster carries. ;)

      If you have TechTV, I'd heartily recommend watching/recording Crest of the Stars (you could always buy Bandai's DVDs if you're so inclined, as well :P). While the dub doesn't do the show justice, it should be decent enough to carry along the storyline, which is one of the more engaging and interesting shows I've seen in a long while; it's just unfortunate that it's wildly underrated compared to how popular it should be. It focuses A LOT on character development with a good amount of action ..

      Also remembers that anime is a medium, not a genre. Just because you have seen one anime does NOT mean you have seen them all. It's not all humanoid robots and buffed up monkey men that take an episode in order to power up a single Ki blast..

    5. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      trolling?

      the old transformers are anime of sorts.
      there's bad western cartoons too.. and few good.

      but there's so much more cartoons in east, that there's more good stuff there than in western.

      it's not like all anime was drawn by 1 guy. of course theres bad stuff in it when theres so much of it. some of it is done very cheaply, for little children. you except that to be comparable to stuff done with big money for adults?

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    6. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by gclef · · Score: 2

      A few thoughts:
      1) it depends on the anime you watch. Cowboy Bebop, for example, is worshipped because the stories are well done, and the characters interesting. Yes, there's some formulaic crap out there....don't try to tell me there's no formulaic crap on normal shows as well.
      2) The stories can do things in anime that you can't do in reality...sure, you could try to do this with computer effects and real actors, but for some of the shows, it would end up almost entirely computer-generated....so why not just animate it?

      Now, it's entirely possible that you just don't like animated stuff...I know a couple folks that are like that. I'm tempted to think it's some sort of disability...it helps me feel better for them.

    7. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by zaren · · Score: 2

      If I may continue on a theme:

      Can I please ask what the big draw of football is?
      Can I please ask what the big draw of Quake is?
      Can I please ask what the big draw of professional wrestling is?

      Different things appeal to different people. That's the way it's always been. Some people "get it", some don't.

      And as it's been pointed out in another response, you've watched "little" anime - possibly some snippets of DragonBall Z, Transformers, Pokemon, maybe some Yu-Gi-Oh! (the last two are crappy examples of anime, IMHO) - so it's possible that you might have about as much of a base to form an opinion about anime as people that haven't seen pro wrestling since the days of The Ultimate Warrior have to base an opinion about modern wrestling - another entertainment form that I frequently have to defend :p (Run-on sentence? I excel at those here... :)

      I highly recommend tuning into Cartoon Network's Adult Swim to check out shows like Cowboy Bebop (or rent something like Trigun or Lain) for some higher quality animation and writing.

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    8. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by freeweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anime is just like any other art form out there: some people like it, most people don't. The 'big draw' you refer to is that Anime fans tend to be rather fanatic about it, so you hear a lot more about it than you normally would - and when you do hear about it, you hear it LOUD.

      The Anime community here is also composed primarily of two groups of people:

      1 - those that got into it in the 80s/early 90s, when very little was available in North America. Here you get the 'I discovered this before anyone else did' superiority complex. A decade ago, Anime was hands down the best animation being produced anywhere in the world - it was certainly a style never seen in the west. Now that it's a lot more recognized over here, these folks have the edge by being on the bandwagon first (a la 'I listened to band X years before they had a top40 hit').

      2 - those that got into it more recently, and are on the 'Anime is like cartoons for adults' trip. Because we all know a lot of violence and sex, and vaguely mature themes, make for adults-only entertainment. Again you get a bit of a superiority complex here, as to this group, anyone who doesn't like Anime 'doesn't get it'. A lot of these folks also haven't been exposed to a very broad range of entertainment, so they compare their favourite Anime to Friends and proclaim "everything made by the west sucks! look how shallow it is! in Anime, the characters question their motives.. sometimes!".

      Oh, and for the anime-loving mods who just want to mod this as a troll, let me state for the record that I am a proud memeber of group #1 :)

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    9. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I wasn't trolling. I was asking an honest question. I understand the term "Anime" is quite broad, but it's just something I don't really "get" in general.

    10. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by JonWan · · Score: 1

      Well maybe three groups....

      I first saw Anime in the 1960's starting with Astro Boy. Things like Gigantor, Eighth man, Battle for the planets, Speed Racer, Robo-Tech I watched because even with the butchering of the US broadcasters they still were better than most cartoons on TV.

      I've always liked animation even the limited animation of anime, sure some of it sucks just don't watch the stuff that sucks. I don't care if it's Japanese, French, Spanish, German, or yes even Disney. If it appeals to you watch it, don't watch something just because someone else thinks its kewl. I watch Anime because I enjoy seeing the different styles of animation and the good stories. I don't care if it's Dubbed, Subbed, or Original.

    11. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anime offers more mature storylines that most Disney preprocessed stuff out there.

      More mature? The correct term around here is "adult."

    12. Re:(sort of) OT: Why? by BigFire · · Score: 1

      Second on Crest of the Star. It does Space Opera in a scale that simply could not be done in a weekly live action show (the only that came close is Babylon5).

      The fact that it also has a very gripping and engaging story is a plus.

  29. Hard up for money?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so if this is all to get more viewers/keep the viewers happy, why put it on in the early am? if they r in need of money, why don't they just put on those late night informercials...having insomnia and being up to watch stuff like that, some are actually quite amusing, i would watch this sooner than some of the shows they will be airing...now if someone could make flavored potato chips that don't leave ur fingers with half the flavoring...

  30. aliens? by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I may not be *the* most avid Anime-fan out there (but I do live in Japan so maybe that should raise the credibility somewhat?), but it really does not seem to me that anime discusses much about aliens / civilizations and our relationships with them.

    I mean, I think the genre can be categorized into a few (rough) parts, but non of them are really the "explore new land meet new people" sort of (startrek like, I suppose) way.

    I mean, the only ones I can think of on top of my head that goes near the subject is:
    1) Robotech (actually a soap opera and you know it)
    2) Nadesico (which is anime talking about anime - but the aliens turned out to be human (oops did I spoil this?) who are all anime freaks)
    3) pokemon / and the like (but that's no alien civilization now, right?)
    4) sex-starved monsters (won't get into this)

    What I am trying to say is that anime to me, at least, seem to use "aliens and their civilizations" more often as a background story than as a focus. Besides most of the "alien (read: forign / non-human biological)" stuff is usually mystical (magical powers, etc) rather than factual.

    but there are a lot of human's relationship with technology / machines. Ghost in the Shell, Zoujin-Z, Lain, just to name a few "on the mark" ones.

    just my 2 yen.

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    1. Re:aliens? by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      I mean, I think the genre can be categorized into a few (rough) parts, but non of them are really the "explore new land meet new people" sort of (startrek like, I suppose) way.
      Think about the Japanese for a second; Apart from a miserably failed attempt in WWII, Japan is not much of a ground-acquisition culture. The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence for them, and they know it. They have no inner need to fantasize about exploring new worlds. They aren't done exploring their own yet.

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    2. Re:aliens? by droid_rage · · Score: 1

      You forgot Gundam Wing. Not about aliens per se, but definitely about when cultures diverge and collide...

  31. Much too bad by LeeBarnes · · Score: 1

    Once again, a great idea goes bad by giving it a terrible timeslot.

    Some of us actually DO have to sleep.

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  32. Someone has to take over for SciFi by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seeing as SciFi has decided to become the "schlock horror flick of the week" channel, someone has to pick up the slack. It's good to see TechTV doing something other than running the same half hour show (e.g. Extended Play) 3-4 times per day.

    Besides, how many techs are into anime? How many "regular" people are into anime? So TechTV is catering to a significant segment of their audience, while other stations would be catering to the fringes to try the same thing.

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  33. "What are future will be like.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, Bush has stepped all over the UN, so I suppose it's true that the United Nations will be nothing more than an ineffective money sink. Good riddance to them, a group who did nothing but threaten the rights of sovereign nations.

    Anyhoo, what are future will be like? Anime?

    Please. We have about as much chance of offspring living through 'Lain' as we do of Angels suddenly coming down from heaven and causing the Third Impact.

    Hosers.

  34. Remember when Court TV was all court all the time? by kfg · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Have you tuned it in lately? An awful lot of crime fiction there now.

    The market for such specialized channels simply doesn't exist, even on cable, in a manner that allows them to keep the bills payed. Sad, but true.

    I'd rather they tried to save their collective butts by showing cartoons than 4 hour commercials for the Thighmaster.

    KFG

  35. Re:Spoiler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In his uncontrolled evolution, he became another universe.

  36. I agree..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is only so much Cream Lemon, Dna2, Urotsukidoji and Rapeman that even a juvenile sex addict can handle...

  37. Gee...I only submitted this story Thanksgiving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee...I only submitted this story Thanksgiving weekend. Way to go slashdot, only a friggin month late!

    I guess I really do have to blow someone to get a story posted.

  38. remember when by sirshannon · · Score: 1

    MTV used to show music? It got so bad that they had to launch M2 (now called MTV2) in order to show music again.

    VH1's tagline was always "Music First",pretty soon they're going to have to launch VH2...

    1. Re:remember when by kumokasumi · · Score: 1

      And *NOW* they're running shows on MTV2, too! It's painful. And I think they just spun off a couple other channels, too. MTV and VH1 (also: VH1 Classic) are both owned by Viacom. It shows, huh.

  39. Because that's the majority of what's available... by vjlen · · Score: 1

    ...in many stores! What sells? SEX! Especially when it's pimply-faced otaku who can't buy real porn... one day at Tower Records I saw a kid getting the Legend of the Overfiend laserdisc box set, being purchased by his mom, who had absolutely no clue what it was (other than being a "cartoon"!)

    Retailers stock tentacle rape and panty shots because real anime doesn't sell to the masses, unfortuantely.

    Where's the Ghibli library? Oh yeah, Disney is sitting on that cause their own stuff sucks and they don't want everyone else realizing that.

  40. Nadesko and pop up ads in the future by anonymous+coword · · Score: 1

    If you think Pop up windows on the internet are bad now, watch a bit of the Martian Successor Nadesko. It features pop up video windows for communication that can pop up any where. In the future advertisers could use them to advertise.

    Concidering the lastest lows the advertisers have stepped to (kick throughs), Pop up ads 'in your face' any where could come true if they stoop low enough in the future.

    1. Re:Nadesko and pop up ads in the future by Sexy+Commando · · Score: 1

      That's if you have nanomachines injected into your body. Normal people can't.

  41. *Yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz................

    I thought I was reading Slashdot, not TV Guide.

  42. YOU ARE SO FIRED! by YOU+ARE+SO+FIRED! · · Score: 0

    I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you still did not acquire the first post. Get the hell out of my office!

  43. Not on basic cable here by dieman · · Score: 2

    I figure the extra $25 dollars they want for it is worth me buying DVD's instead.

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  44. Anime == Geek culture by MamasGun · · Score: 2, Informative
    Actually I think that this new Anime bloc on TechTV is great. I have been waiting for someone to pick up Serial Experiments: Lain, and was actually hoping that MTV would be the ones to do it. However, TechTV is a great venue for this to show up on. Lain in particular is all about the same stuff that is TechTV's stock in trade: it's all about people's place in a world of accelerating technology.

    Now if they'd pick up .hack...that would rock. Plenty of room for the kind of synergies they love there, especially when you consider that Sony is putting out a translated .hack MMRPG this coming year. Extended Play, anyone? .hack on The Screensavers' LAN Party (powered by NVidia)? It would be a suit's dream.

    I'd also like to see Excel Saga there, but I doubt it would fit the TechTV format. Actually I can't think of a cable channel off-hand where it would fit. Comedy Central? Too wild for them. Sundance? IFC? Maybe there, but I've never seen Anime on either. Oh well.

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    1. Re:Anime == Geek culture by Intocabile · · Score: 1

      I didn't like .hack at all it was to fantastic. Watched the two OVA's that are out and I gave me a headache as someone who's tech savvy. The game will be average at best.

  45. Why not? by smileaf · · Score: 1

    I see alot of whys ... why not? .. sorry to say but japan IS a leader in technology ... why not have something interesting and has a story line? ... Anime is a not just a bunch of perverted scenes in fact I know of many series that do not have any of these sort of things

  46. It's a good thing. by Peterus7 · · Score: 1

    It's a good thing someone is finally getting their act together and doing that, it needs to be done. What I worry about is them not getting the story right, or in cases like Serial Experiment Lain and Ghost in a Shell, where the answers are meant to be decyphered and interprited by the audience, they might put their own ideas and just ruin it.

  47. Thanks for the warning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can now add TechTV to my parental blocking if this is the type of garbage they're going to be pimping in the future.

  48. One question by salientpoints · · Score: 1

    Does anybody actually know what Serial Experiments Lain is about? Including the creators of the anime?

  49. Non-H Anime by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2

    Evangelion gives fanservice? More like a donkey punch followed by a boot to the head. Sure, there's implied nudity (like when we meet Asuka), but it's always followed by something depressing or violent. Not a lot of fun.

    Now, if you want anime without excessive, or even any fan-service, it does exist:

    • Gasaraki: Military intrigue mixed with bullshit science and japanese legends.
    • Inu-Yaasha: didn't see the whole thing, but it seems more concerned with doing a coming-of-age story with a mythological backdrop.
    • Escaflowne: shoujou-mech crossover
    • Excel Saga: Depends on the episode, as each episode parodies a different subgenre of manga.
    • Kare Kano (aka his & Her Circumstance): (Each episode begins with a message about proper viewing habits) romantic comedy. more sappy than anything else.
    • (just for fun) Geobreeders: They're cats, so it doesn't count.

    and if you think they don't churn out the merchandise, you'd be wise to check out sites that do japanese imports.

    Sturgeons law: 90% of anything is crap. Yes, there's a great big pile of stuff that's utter garbage. There's also a smaller pile of stuff (like Seraphim Call) that's got a marginal audience. There's also a lot of really good stuff. About half of the stuff I like comes from Gainax.

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  50. Adding problems? by EaTiN+cOfFeE+bEaNs · · Score: 1
    The block will premiere with single half-hour episodes airing Monday through Thursday at 1am EST, followed by a two-hour block of anime on Friday from 11pm to 2am EST.


    11pm-2am? Isn't that three hours?

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  51. Retarded Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's start's off promising with all the intrigue but the end turns out to be just another stupid EVA son/daughter-of-god story where the protagonist is all powerful and uses their power to fix the world into a happy place. So lame. So weak. So sappy.

    The ending is really bad. >:(

    Japanese Christianity is just plain wierd if not retarded.

  52. Lain is hella awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's anime for those of us who liked anime when it was still underground. ;o)

  53. other major anime genres by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

    "cute anthropomorphic animals"

    "ninjas vs. vampires"

    "chicks with guns" (my personal fave)

  54. It'll not go far. by Alehandro · · Score: 0

    I don't think that this will go far. I remeber when space channel opened they started showing the best anime. Like Venus War and etc. But after the while they run out of classic and start to play some crup. After about 2 months they stopped. Same will happend here.

  55. Ha! Good luck. by jcsehak · · Score: 2

    A whole season of The Simpsons (22 episodes) is $40. The complete Cowboy Bebop (26 episodes) is $100. Escaflowne (or the first season of Farscape for that matter) is $150. Okay, you win--I won't watch your goddamn show.

    Obviously, any anime/sci-fi fan is freakishly addicted and will buy a DVD at any cost. No need to price our shows low enough to be attractive to the casual buyer. We have no faith in our product. Suck them dry, dammit!

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    1. Re:Ha! Good luck. by kumokasumi · · Score: 1

      Since it obviously has nothing at all to do with, oh, I don't know, supply, demand, and economies of scale.
      Point being: Simpsons is wildly popular and is almost guaranteed to sell better than an import series that wouldn't have nearly the same market penetration. Also (guessing here), Simpsons probably wouldn't have to be licensed separately from an animation studio, ne? That media syndicate's big enough to do its own DVD dirty work.

  56. I know this is slashdot but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "titles that imagine what our near or far future will be like, investigate the relationship between humans and machines, dream of what alien civilizations could be like, and more."
    So that's, what, most of it?
    Maybe 30% or 40% at most. If you were referring to what gets licensed and distributed in America your statement might be more accurate. However there are a lot of anime that are aimed at girls - most of those shows wouldn't fall in that description. Neither would one of the biggest genres for boys - sports anime.

    So refreshing to see stereotypes in the wild - nerds not aware of girls or sports ^^

    1. Re:I know this is slashdot but ... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      True enough. But what I was doing was exaggerating for the sake of making a joke. Since, to someone who doesn't know very much about anime, all you'd have to do would be to add "that have many naked boobs and many heads exploding in showers of gore" to that statement to encompass everything he thinks anime is...

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  57. It's both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kanon (the date-sim) has three versions - 2 on dreamcast and one on PC. First was hentai version on DC. Later on non-hentai versions of it were released on PC and on DC again. Apparently people occasionally like the plot in an H-game better than the H ^^

  58. Unleashed??? by istartedi · · Score: 2

    I think maybe I'll wait for "Learn Anime in 21 Days".

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  59. Lain artwork by kumokasumi · · Score: 1

    I was kind of put off by the way Lain was drawn in the first few episodes, but I kind of grew to like it. It wasn't an anime like Noir where the art jumps out at you and shouts PRETTY! but then I didn't think it was ugly, either. There's something about the way the characters are drawn that just feels a little off if you aren't expecting it, perhaps. What was it about the art that you didn't like?

    The other thing about Lain, as one of my friends put it, is that "it tends to do something to people's brains that rhymes with sucks but starts with an F." Lain really plays with your mind... and it's entirely legal, too. =^_^=

    1. Re:Lain artwork by Moridineas · · Score: 2

      I can't 100% put my finger on what I didn't like or why, but I think it was the way faces are drawn. Really bothers me. I know that bothered me in FLCL.

  60. Tech TV is a microsoft bunny - Money talks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tech TV has more ads than yahoo .... and anti-linux "tech and linux goes together microsoft and tech (NOT!!!!) just another call-ourselves-geek because geeks are COOL!!!!

  61. Does anybody... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...really care???

  62. Post it when it's news already. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Nobody's going to see this probably because they posted their little article while I was away from my computer, but I submitted this story and had it rejected on 11-20 (to news) and 12-1 (to anime) and got it rejected both times, so I posted it to my journal

  63. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

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