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Safari Beta Updated

Jack Kennedy writes "Apple has released Safari 1.0 Beta v51. Unfortunately, Apple don't list what the update addresses; according to Apple, 'this Safari Update is recommended for all Safari users.' Dave Hyatt's Weblog provides a more detailed account of what issues Apple have addressed over the past few days."

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  1. Much more stable. by iAryeh · · Score: 2, Informative

    I noticed that the new Safari is much more stable. But it still does not allow me to log into my hotmail account. What's up with that?

    1. Re:Much more stable. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just created a new HotMail account just to test this, and I had not problems. Can you elaborate on what's going on?

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    2. Re:Much more stable. by whee · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, it appears Microsoft has their own version of the lameness filter. If you first enable the Safari Debug menu with defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 in Terminal.app, and then change the User Agent to MSIE 6.0, Hotmail will work fine.

      Safari can definately handle Hotmail, but the UA checking is holding it back.

    3. Re:Much more stable. by the+Dragonweaver · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uncheck the "kill popups" box, log in once, and then check that box again. Future logins should not be affected. we've already reported this "bug."

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    4. Re:Much more stable. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

      Huh, okay I see that now. Here's why I do: type "hotmail.com" in the address bar. Enter user name and password. Get the JavaScript error. Type "hotmail.com" in the address bar again. This time I'm just asked for my password. Enter it. Get right in to my mailbox.

      Try that workaround. Meanwhile, I've put in a bug report on your behalf.

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    5. Re:Much more stable. by sugam · · Score: 2, Informative

      An easy workaround is to log into passport via MS.
      1) go to msn.com
      2) click "Sign In"
      3) Sign In
      4) Click hotmail

      you're all set

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  2. Re:hmmm... by fault0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Anybody notice any concrete differences?

    Hmm, it does seem to run the CSS tests now (and does pretty well)

  3. minimum font size support! by frankie · · Score: 5, Informative
    Blatantly cribbed from MacOSXHints.com. Edit the file ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist and add two new siblings to the XML tree:
    • WebKitMinimumFixedFontSize
    • WebKitMinimumFontSize
    Follow the same format as WebKitDefaultFontSize and it will work exactly as you'd expect.
  4. Re:.fm by mapinguari · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, .fm is the Federation of Micronesia. Also keep in mind that in some English dialects, namely British, there is an increased use of collective nouns. If you think of Apple as an organization, and replace "Apple" with "they", then it's not nearly as glaring or painful. Of course, then it should have read "Apple have released Safari..."
    Oh well.

  5. Re:Unfortunately still no tabs by stux · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's funny...

    I heard that he categorically said "no tabs" ;)

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  6. The biggest change by andfarm · · Score: 5, Informative
    Apple claims to have fixed that nasty bug with wiped $HOME directories and deleted /tmp->/private/tmp links. Reason enough for me to download it.

    (This comment posted with Safari)

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  7. Excellent feature by yomegaman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just noticed something totally cool about Safari. I was browsing espn.com and wanted to hear what Bill Cowher had to say about the penalty at the end of today's game. I clicked on the link for the video stream, and it asked if I wanted Real or Windows Media. First I tried Real, the window it created was a little too big but the plugin came up and worked just fine. Next I thought, what the heck, let's try Windows Media. Note that this plugin has NEVER worked for me in any browser other than IE, for who knows what reason. Anyway, I clicked the stream again and selected Windows Media. Up comes the window, and a sheet drops down that says something like "Safari doesn't know how to use this plugin. However, the program Windows Media Player may be able to handle this file. Wanna give it a try?" I say sure, and *bang* WMP starts up and plays the clip! No more digging through the source and cutting and pasting .asf URLs! Oh happy day!

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  8. Re:.fm by kalidasa · · Score: 5, Informative

    All dialects, including those who developed in England, are incorrect. Most dialectic differences were develloped by illiterate people. There is a correct way to use plurals in English which is well-documented, and it does not matter where you are from.

    This is misinformation. All dialects are correct, in that all dialects are self consistent with their own sytaxes and vocabularies. One can speak of the standard dialects, for instance, Received Standard Southern British, which is the canonical British dialect for public discourse, and Standard American English, which is the canonical American dialect for public discourse, or . Another widely used dialect in the United States is African-American Vernacular English, which is sometimes called by linguists Standard African American English, and politically sometimes called "ebonics" and distinguished as a different language by well-meaning idiots who have no background in linguistics.

    If one wishes to take part in public discourse, particularly in print, and especially "learned" discourse, it is necessary to learn one of the standard dialects, and it is helpful to learn more than one (e.g., both the American and British standard dialects). If one wishes to converse with persons from other regions that speak English and be sure to understand them, it is helpful to know something about the non-standard dialects which we all use (for instance, The Jargon File is in part a dictionary of a particular non-standard dialect used by self-identified "hackers," and like all dialects, its use is part of that process of self-identification).

    One's speech can be incorrect with reference to a particular dialect; for example, one who speaks of a cracker as a "hacker" is not speaking in correct hacker dialect, and is thus identifying himself (or herself) as a poser (i.e., is unintentionally emphasizing an false affectation). Thus one can, in the schools (one of whose primary purposes is the teaching of the local standard dialect), speak of right or wrong use of plurals, in reference to that standard dialect. But one cannot apply the rules from one dialect to others and necessarily identify what are right or wrong uses correctly. Indeed, this is a case in which the American and British standard dialects differ; if one says "Apple is," one is identifying oneself as an American or a wannabee; if one says "Apple are," one is identifying oneself as a Brit/Canadian/etc. (I think this is the usage in the various Commonwealth countries) or a Brit wannabee.

    Here's an excellent thread on a linguists list that talks a little bit about prestige or canonical dialects and standards.

    I leave the enumeration of the number of different dialects intentionally used in this posting as an exercise to the reader, though I point out that it is an exercise intended to show how shifts in dialect can change one's sense of the "identity" of a writer/speaker.

  9. Re:Unfortunately still no tabs by babbage · · Score: 4, Informative
    Skimming your linked post (sorry, will read it in more detail after this), I don't think we're describing quite the same thing here. What I'm referring to as trays should more accurately have been referred to as drawers, as that's the term that the Apple documentation seems to use. Out of habit, I use the terms 'tray' and 'drawer' more or less interchangeably, but I'm realizing now that searching for 'tray' interface elements isn't turning up many hits, so maybe this usage isn't as standard or common as I thought.

    In any case, in the Aqua interface, trays are a specific & unambiguous interface style that for whatever reason hasn't been used very often so far. The best example I can think of from one of the "core" applications is Mail.app, for which there is a screenshot at Apple's site. The other big application I can think of right now is Omniweb, which uses a drawer to organize bookmarks. (I'm not an Omniweb user, so I wasn't aware of that until searching for this post :). Of freeware apps that I use regularly, the best example I can think of is (the very slick) MacJournal, which uses two trays -- one to present a list of journals, the other to present entries within a particular journal (for example).

    Now that I poke around a bit, the best critical reviews of the tray interface I can find so far are this MacEdition review and this Oreillynet tutorial. (John Siracusa also wrote some excellent OSX reviews for Ars Technica, but I can't find a section that focuses on drawers in particular.)

    But the authoritative reference -- which unfortunately doesn't seem to have screenshots to go along with the prose -- is the Apple MacOS X Human Interface Guidelines:

    Drawers are a special window type, found only in Mac OS X. They are child windows--which slide out from a parent window--that users can open or close (show or hide) while the parent window is open. These windows should be used for tools or controls that are closely associated with the parent window and frequently accessed, but do not need to be visible all the time. For example, Mail uses a drawer to provide access to the user's mailboxes.

    So while this isn't incompatible with what you're asking for, it looks to me like it's not quite the same thing. This is an existing toolkit that could be called on by any Cocoa or Carbon application, and it seems to me like this is a perfect example of where best to apply it.

  10. I'll go you one further... by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 3, Informative
    Go check out Acquisition . It's a Gnutella client that uses the LimeWire P2P core with a Cocoa front-end. The latest beta release is looking very impressive, and it uses Drawers in the most fantastic way. There are screenshots on the site.

    Essentially all your search query strings become an item in the drawer on the side (whichever you like; Cocoa drawers are ambidextrous. Try collapsing the drawer in mail, and then drag a message to the right, and then to the left... you'll see what I mean.) This approach is comparable to Tabs in functionality, but appearance-wise takes advantage of the fact that tabs work better vertically for most situations, displaying additional information about the query, and offering controls over that query.

    A drawer approach in a browser would offer some interesting advantages over the tabs; one could arrange ad-hoc or dynamic collections within one such drawer entry, much in the way iTunes Smart Bookmarks work. For example a 'News' item, 'Blogs' item, etc.

    Similar functionality exists using the folder structures in the Safari Bookmark Bar, but the horizontal arrangement does sacrifice some real estate in the UI, as you want as much vertical room as you can get for your browser window, generally speaking. I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple implement a whole history in a drawer though, complete with scaling thumbnails of the pages themselves. (mostly cosmetic, and useless, that last bit - but it'll look damn cool).

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  11. Re:blaaaa!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Really? Dave Hyatt's weblog reports that it was fixed on last Wednesday, the 8th. My Macs are at home (I'm at work) so I can't verify right now.

  12. The one thing I love... by berniecase · · Score: 2, Informative

    Throughout the Chimera nightly builds, I've been comparing its speed with IE by running non-scientific side-by-side browser tests. Chimera could only occasionally beat IE for loading sites like CNN, MSNBC, or Salon. Safari, on the other hand, beats IE all of the time. My test machines: PowerBook G4/500 and PC with a Celeron 400. It's sad that the Celeron used to beat the G4. It certainly isn't beating it anymore.