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Linux in Enterprise Environments
watzinaneihm writes "Eweek has an Article about how Linux is getting accepted in Enterprises.IBM is releasing Tivoli for Linux. CA released Unicenter for Linux a few months ago.I got rumours about rumours that HP might do something similar with Openview. " One for those of you who dress nicer than me.
Is it a perfect copy of the Windows GUI? If it's not, then this is not going to work.
I recently tried to make a shortcut to FreeCiv on my KDE desktop. Ok. Finding where the freeciv wrapper was was easy. However, the menu opened by right clicking on the icon did not have a shortcut option. WTF? Other buttons didn't bring a shortcut menu option out either. Then finally, frustrated, I just dragged the icon on the desktop. And that created the shortcut (which, obviously, wouldn't work because the working directory was now wrong but that's not the point). The point is that in Windows, dragging an icon means copying not creating a short cut. KDE's inconsistent behaviour would have meant that a Windows user would have never been able to create a link.
Seems that it already exist as we use it on dozens of our servers on a daily basis !?
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If anyone doubts Linux' inroads into the corporate environment, just read today's release from HP. HP now says they have 2 BILLION in annual revenue attribuatable to Linux. http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030121/tech_hewlettpackard _linux_1.html
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Yea the OS part is still free. Cos when you buy Tivoli/Oracle/DB2/Veritas/etc. you'd still have to buy them for your ENVIRONMENT, not your OS.
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The power of Linux resides more in the open source concept rather than in it being free software. You might say the distiction between the two is not that obvious. But again I'd rather see the costs cut as a nice side effect.
Off topic I got...
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Actually, you have a choice, you can switch to their advanced server line for at least $800 per server. They will support each rev of that product with errata for up to three years. As for desktops installs...
Imagine if Microsoft only supported an OS for one year from release...
I am not happy at all
That's now what we've found. In fact business in the UK at least are interested in using it for pretty much everything you do on the back end. Here's our latest case study:t udies/kg .html
http://www.siriusit.co.uk/technical/cases
The short version is - GNU/Linux is Enterprise ready, and companies are using it for pretty much everything!
Before linux can EVER make it onto the desktop, somebody is going to have to come up with some type of scripting language besides C.
I'm going off this assumption that this is either a joke or troll, but in case someone actually thinks this:
(1) C is not a scripting language, never was, never will be.
(2) Scripting languages available and commonly used on Linux are Perl, PHP, tcl, shell scripts (bash, tcsh, csh, zsh, et al), Python, Java (I kind of lump that in with scripting languages), and a bunch of others I am forgetting.
If you specifically mean Visual Basic, no it does not exist for Linux. Clones of VB do but probably are not exactly the same.
Finkployd
Openview is already ported to solaris.. and most of the backend stuff it does is written in PERL.. So how hard is it to port to linux.... probably not hard at all.
The only thing i like about openview that would be useful is it's SNMP MIB Browser... no one else has ever come close to it.. although i haven't searched in the last 6 months
ChiefArcher
This is a "me,too!" post just in case someone from IBM is listening...
In my spare time, I'm the admin of a small office network (~10 PCs when fully deployed) which uses SuSE as desktop OS after endless troubles with an aging NT4 installation. The users mostly love it, and generally find it to be easier to use than NT (which is not surprising since it does not constantly act up like NT did). Staroffice turns out to be a suboptimal but acceptable replacement for MS Office, and the only thing we have to run in Wine is Notes R5.
Since we need the advanced facilities of the client (i.e. not just mail) we need the genuine article, and not e.g. a third party mailer or a web interface.
Even though Wine is a terrific application, there are always some problems with complex apps like Notes, especially for advanced features like database views. Also, the users find the idea of one program basically being a Windows app in a KDE world pretty confusing (KDE itself is fine for them), and configuration of this setup is troublesome. A native Notes client with KDE integration would be extremely nice to have - come on, IBM, you can't tell me you haven't been working on this anyway!
A.W.
And since Linux is a Unix clone, you can pick up any book on Unix programming and it will apply to Linux as well (I recommend books written by W. Richard Stevens, especially "Unix Network Programming" for the case you site above).
So yes, I believe you are "non enlightened". Perhaps you just haven't been doing much Unix programming. Believe me, there is a wealth of information out there.
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Many programming languages have functions similar to javadocs. Perldocs, PHPdocs. I believe Doxygen works on C++.
Not everyone writes comments that support these tools however (myself included) which dilutes the dopumentation process.
DOS is dead, and no one cares...
If there's a Bourne Shell, I'll see you there
According to this article, IBM is providing iNotes web access this quarter, with client technology "next quarter".
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Tivoli already runs on Linux for quit some time. The importance of the news is in the widening of the support.
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Notes client will be introduced by IBM. This is really important news as it makes it not mandatory anymore to have Windows on the desktop.
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20030119S000
Thanks,
Gerard Meijssen
I don't know what the presentation says because it is in PowerPoint, but I guess they don't use Linux to make presentations...
That's odd. It worked just fine in OpenOffice for me. Maybe you don't use Linux to view presentations....
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For particular niches, Linux is already attractive. We have a server farm of around 100 Xeon rackmount nodes that comprise our server farm. We have a batch queuing system which doles out user jobs to some of these machines, and others are allocated for interactive use. We are running a mix of in house software, shrink-wrapped software, and open-source software written by others in our industry. Linux has proven to be as useful for these tasks as our commercial Unix versions have been. In fact, I would say that these Linux machines do over 90% of what our Solaris servers do.
There are a few drawbacks to Linux at this junction. The major thing that our Linux servers cannot do is handle large-memory footprints, above the 3 - 4 GB RAM level. This is more of a limitation of the 32-bit PC hardware than of Linux itself. For our large memory jobs we run on our large memory Suns, but all the other jobs use Linux as the computational platform. We do not run Linux for our file servers, as we've encountered problems with the NFS implementation on Linux that Solaris doesn't seem to have. Other than that, Linux gets a big thumbs up.
And yet still, all these years on, there's still no core (distributed with Java) way to get documentation directly on the command line (aside from generating a bunch of HTML files and calling lynx on them). The man page for javadoc even says: "javadoc parses the declarations and documentation comments in a set of Java source files and produces a corresponding set of HTML pages describing (by default) the public and protected classes, inner classes, interfaces, constructors, methods, and fields.". And most of that is too low level for your average programmer who just wants a synopsis.
I'll take my perl man pages over javadoc any day of the year. Perl ships with tools to turn your documentation into man pages, text, HTML and LaTeX and CPAN is full of tools to convert to many other formats. They may not be quite as cross referenced automatically and have wizzy features like tables and other things that javadoc covers, but they are available right there where I program - in a shell. No browser required. And they work just fine over ssh thank you. Not only that but perl documentation just seems easier to figure out what's going on to me in general, because they encourage you to include a synopsis of how this module should be used. Java programmers seem happy because the Java doc tools are better than what C or C++ offers, but there's a whole other world out there that you're missing.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
You can read why they don't want to build a native client from the horse's mouth at LDD Today
For those that want to see a Domino Designer for platforms other than Windows, I'd ask a simple question: what do you think DXL is for?