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Robin Gross and IP Justice
ethereal writes "According to this news.com article, former EFF attorney Robin Gross is starting up a new group called IP Justice in order to 'promote balance in global intellectual property law.' Her greatest fear? 'That we're too late.'"
I come not to trivialize Robin, but to celebrate her. Not to take away from her skills but to acknowledge her assets.
Lara Croft ain't got nuthin on her.
in leather, and now with more leather, and a smile.
You go gurrl!
I'm glad to see a group addresing international IP. I'd like to know more about her plans to combine efforts with other groups, such as the EFF.
I am glad someone is working on the international level. The big picture does need to be addressed.
"The Sage treasures Unity and measures all things by it" - Lao Tzu
A fear of being too late in misplaced in this case. When it comes to issues like legistation it is never too late. Time and again throughout history different nations have had very opressive laws, often strictly against public opinion. And each time in the end they have been changed or made null and void. Or do you see the laws of the third reich still in power in Germany? Laws as biased as the DMCA simply cannot last, arguments like "we fear there is too much momentum, and that we are late" only serve the purpose of drawing more attention to the cause and bringing about the change faster, which is good in this case.
I say that her heart is in the right place, and where was this kind of commitment four years ago?
My best wishes and I will support this kind of thing with all of my soul.
Is she married?
"One is the idea that we should have the right to control our own individual experience of creative works. When we're in the privacy of our own homes, and we're using DVDs or CDs that we own on the computers that we own, that Hollywood doesn't have a right to tell us how we can use that media."
Sounds like a good attitude to me. I wonder if there would be any impact in Hollywood if this message was repeated enough many times.
"I'll start with who has the worst IP laws, because that's actually the easiest. It's the United States."
This is what happens when you grow a international monopoly on software and recorded entertainment (it isn't a monopoly yet, but bloody close). Happily enough one can see a reaction from (a non-activist) player: the European Union. Several measures are being taken to introduce open source solutions. This is being done both for the lower price, but also since the US has shown bad judgement in the use of the echelon system.
So. What sort of origins and superpowers will this Ip Justice group have?
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Please take the time to visit and sign up for this effort. 100+ on the mailling list so far, but we need as many as we can get. It is afterall a very ambitious project, needing extraordinary efforts to succeed.
I understand what Robin Gross' group is trying to do. I'm not quite clear on how or what. Are they lobbyists, politicians. A consortium of business men and women?
And how well funded are the. Will they be able to compete with the schrill voice of the RIAA? Will they be able to do anything in D.C.?
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That they just won't have any impact :(
DVD Jon was a great triumph, and now there's a risk of a retrial. Lets keep our fingers crossed, but will a group like this have any real impact? Lets hope so...
What about cases where IP theft has occured, in these instances, how will they be rectified, I would love to give the small people with ideas enough clout to topple those monoliths of doom.
There is a IP lock-in!
Once patent law covers a specific area there are business interests against a change. There is no way back.
Meanwhile lawyers try to promote a European directive on computer-implemented inventions. It was written by BSA. Computer professionals ecc. try to defeat. So we need your help, do it the Amnesty International Way. Please write to EU Parliamentarians. EU patent law also affects the United States and other countries.
Sign our http://www.noepatents.org
petition or get more infomation by FFII swpat AG
http://swpat.ffii.org
We shall start before it is too late.
I think there are groups in Germany and France that are working hard
So she claims! I happen to live in this part of "Old Europe", and I cannot say these groups are very vocal. If they show up I might get involved. If something like EFF exists in France, it certainly lacks publicity.
May I use your sig please?
Here is a link to their site:
IP Justice
Do they have a super-duper hide out, with all sorts of cool toys to play with and fight with super villians like Jack "da Tape" Valenti and Hilary "Broken Record" Rosen, while their lacky Senator Fritz "Hollywood" Hollings does their evil bidding?
The IP Justice League- Fighting for Truth, Justice, and the Amer... uh-oh, it appears that my lawyer is telling me that the rest of that statement is copyrighted.
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Global IP is being umm... 'forced' on the world through the back door.
Maybe us western countries have had strong IP for a while, but what about the majority of the world that is having western ideoligies 'forced' upon it. China, India, Africa, the middle east etc....
Now if we can get mass linux adoption in China, India and Africa we've started to slam the door shut in international IP.
SFAIK
China is making there own Linux variant.
India is adopting Linux etc....
But there are the 'charities' that distribute 'free' software and computer equipnment to Africa
King Faisal Charity Foundation
computers for charities
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
It might be. In many ways we are already governed , policed, and punished, by industry. It's nothing unique, just a rolling back to the bad old days when a mining company could make a phone call and have the national guard eliminate problem employees. Stuff like that happened a lot in the old days. Companies passing their own laws is not a good sign for what the near future holds for us.
If the US will ultimately be a service economy producing nothing but music, software, movies and pr0n, obviously the RIAA makes the biggest noise. The US can only protect its content by enforcing its IP across the world. And, as more and more output is derivative (because increasingly everything has been done before) the rules will have to become increasingly twisted. How long before some studio lawyer tries to claim copyright over the Odyssey and the Iliad ("Homer - that's our trademarked name")? On this model, OSS is fscked along with all free content because it would destroy the new US economy. Meanwhile, the Koreans and the Chinese can make all the boxes they like but they will only do anything with the permission of the US.
If the US believes that the future lies with technology, then OSS and free content mean that people around the world will want that technology. It doesn't matter if some Chinese film maker gets ripped off by pirate DVDs if it means that the Chinese consumer is buying a better DVD and HDTV every year or so. Yes, I'm simplifying.
Now, as recent events are telling us, technology is dangerous, but mostly if you don't have it. (Anyone who is surprised that Saddam is trying to build serious weapons must be incredibly stupid. Would you want the US (in the form of Israel and Sa'udi) on your doorstep and no shotgun in the hall? If he doesn't have such weapons, he should be got rid of for neglecting the interests of his own country.) And...well, that applies to the US as well. Letting other people who may not like you take control of the technology you need is...unwise. Churning out boy bands and anorexic junkie singers won't protect anyone in the day when the Chinese can deploy nanoscale weapons.
So how to protect technology? Well, once military tech led consumer tech but now it's the other way round. A dynamic consumer/medical/vehicular sector drives technological advance. So how to keep it dynamic?
Now the historical analogy. The Roman Empire was built on military technology and excellent logistics. What grew out of it was the Catholic Church, which was based on IP (share our core beliefs and pay us money or you go to Hell - bet the RIAA would love that sanction.) And what happened? The barbarians had better military tech.
If I was that Congressman, I'd be thinking about my grandchildren, and how a protected CD doesn't offer much in the way of security against someone with an Uzi.
Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
This whole situation makes me think of that scene in Life of Brian, where the People's front of Judea accuse the Judean people's front and all the other variants of being splitters. Just like System V/BSD wars, and the Linux/Windows/BSD splits, it seems that geeks can't form a single contiguous organisation.
So, we now have spearate groups, with the same goal, but no shared consensus. We have the EFF, Digital Consumer, and now IP justice, as well as Lessig and Eldred battling in their corner, as well as the European organisations.
The result is that we have several groups all treading on each other's toes, fighting against a single unified enemy. The MPAA is the same organisation under all its names in various countries, and represents all the studios. What to we do to defeat it? We form another split!
It's truly ironic that the United States has such an international reputation as being the leader in freedom of speech, but when it comes to intellectual property, it's actually one of the most restrictive regimes in terms of what people can do with their intellectual property.
This is, unfortunately, blatant nonsense. Americans like to think the US has an international reputation of being "land of the free". However, the international reputation is almost the opposite -- few non-Americans regard America as particularly free. It was maybe true in the 1800s, but not today.
To pick just one item, an international journalist organization ranked countries for relative freedom of press; the US came in... where? First or second, you'd expect; not so. Rank twenty-six. Practically all of the western hemisphere had better freedom of press.
American is only the land of the free in the eyes of Americans themselves, so spare me references to "international reputation".
There seem to be three sides to the IP debate: big corporations representing huge IP interests, vocal activists representing themselves in the name of the common good, and the man in the street who doesn't really care.
Corporate interest, unfortunately, is focused on complete control. The activists tend to focus on maintaining the status quo as it was a decade ago, or on the abolition of IP rights. And the man in the street still doesn't care, because he still wants the content, and doesn't care about the public domain as it will exist after he is dead.
And everyone is missing the point. Protecting a work for 14 years, 50 years, 70 years or 100 years doesn't damage the public domain much, if at all. This is also within range of the time during which the creator can benefit from the work. Placing arbitrary time limits on the rights a creator enjoys will always be a difficult subject: some works will never do well, others are popular for many decades, and yet others are "ahead of their time" and may only realise their value decades after they are created.
What damages the public domain is the growth of Copyright to cover derivative works, and the right to withhold licensing after first publication. Preventing derivatives is the most destructive, preventing creators from building on the work of others. Withholding licensing means that a work can be published initially, then withdrawn (usually because it is not profitable) and never seen for the next 70+ years.
If we adjust Copyright law to allow the creation of derivative works after a short time (say 5 years), and force a use-it-or-lose-it scenario (where creators are forced to license published works no longer under publication to third parties on reasonable terms), we can claim back a lot of the benefit that Copyright offers to the public domain, without completely trampling over the rights of creators to the specific content that they created.
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Robin illuminated the important notion that IP laws were developed *for the good of society*. That's an important item to keep in mind as we struggle back and forth with arguments about whether IP laws are supposed to protect individual inventors or big companies. In fact, they're to help the well-being of society as a whole.
I'm glad to see that Robin has started this group, and I expect that she'll draw some talented and smart people with her.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
I've already patented the application of the public relations process in Luxemborg under their somewhat unique patent laws to the novel idea of resisting intellectual property laws. Because of WIPO and several international agreements, Robin and the rest of IP Justice will have to pay royalties to engage in any of the following:
* Releasing a press release or bulletin.
* Announcing and holding a press conference that is seen by more that the person speaking.
* Hosting seminars and workshops for
* Posting a internet website that uses the HTTP (our patent was applied for in 1978) protocol.
Anyone who attempts to use these clearly new and novel ideas will need to fill out our "Anti IP Law Business Process Licensing Request" and submit it. The application fee of $10,171.17 is non-refundable, and we reserve the right to decline any application for any reason. Because we thought of it first! (sticks out toungue and raspberries the world)
IP laws are unjust to begin with. It's prima facia impossible to own and idea.
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Our poster left out the recently formed Alliance for Digital Progress with giants like MS, Intel, Cisco, etc. that also aims to fight anti-piracy policy initiatives in the name of protecting innovation. Here's the recent news on the ADP. They have no site yet, it appears...