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The Long-Awaited MOO!

Number13 writes "Quicksilver's Master of Orion 3, declared vaporware by Wired magazine, has gone gold! Set to hit the streets on Feb. 25, MOO3 is the the successor to what many consider the best space strategy game series."

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  1. Technology trap by vlad_petric · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope the game hasn't fallen in the "technology trap" as its predecessor - in MOO2 it wasn't really worth playing anything but Psilons, as the quick research advancements very easily overweighed the intrinsic advantages of other races (e.g. growth, flying skills).

    That said, I can hardly wait to get my hands on it!

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    1. Re:Technology trap by amuro98 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Creative was mostly a waste of time. Since you had a choice of which tech to research (unless you took uncreative - which I would, just to make things interesting again) you could pick the same old tech over and over again...

      Sure, there were a few sucky choices, and sometimes I'd have to forego my normal choice in favor of something I needed *right now* (eg. better weapons because I got into a war)

      But overall, I'd plow the points I would have put into creative and chose +'s to production and farming.

      Offensive spying never worked for me - even when playing with all the +'s, so I just take the maximum penalty, and build a large number of defensive spies.

      Problem is, this same old same old strategy got boring... At least in Moo1, the choices would be randomized, with each race having various advantages in certain areas, like the Psilons would tend to get more engine choices, and a larger overall tree. The randomness made things more interesting... I once played a game where no one got anything faster than warp-2 engines. And in a huge galaxy, that meant it took years to get anywhere. I managed to take Orion, and was given warp-4 engines, which allowed me to more quickly decimate my opponents.

  2. Re:With a little luck... by Steveftoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This comment is modded funny, but this is a serious concern. I personally will take a wait and see attitude with this game and WAIT until the actual reviews of the hard core people are posted on the internet.

    Also one HOPES that all the crashes are gone for good. I always like to wait for the first patch to come out until I buy a product :).

    I still play MOO2 sometimes. The ironic thing is that it actually plays better (to me) in linux in wine then under win2k. In linux it doesn't have sound, but in windows the screen goes wonky and I can't click anymore (the cursor dissapears).

    But all negativity aside, I will eventuatly buy this game. How soon depends on wether or not the first version is playable. That and I don't NEED to lose a month of my life just yet.

  3. Re:With a little luck... by sweetooth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only do we have to hope that it's finished (Sim City 4 shipped WITHOUT online support WTF!) but we have to worry about them shipping with copy protection that makes it unplayable (Never Winter Nights, UT2003). I've personally about had it with Game publishers. If you can't ship a finished product in a playable form then maybe it's time to get into a differant business. Then again, maybe I'm just bitter.

  4. Harvesters anyone? by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good! Maybe those of us who've been following the game's development can finally find out what exactly the Harvesters are. The Harvesters have been kept under complete wraps throughout the development process, and no one outside Quicksilver and Infogrames knows anything about what they are. All we know is that they like cold planets, that they have "the Need" as one of their traits, that they can't join the Orion Senate, that they don't strongly cling to belief systems, that they can't have a representative government, and that they communicate "wetly" according to a cryptic reply by the art designer on the message boards.

    I'm going to be hitting the message boards for the next few weeks occasionally to see if they finally give in and let people know what they are.

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    1. Re:Harvesters anyone? by Orne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back in December one of the review publishers screwed up (violating an NDA), and for about 1.5 hours they had posted what the Harvesters were. QS made them remove it, and they didn't get any more business from Infogrames..

      But, if you were lucky to hit it at the right time... Harvesters are a "race" of nanomachines, that infect the existing populations of planets. Basically, your team is composed of a mix of other races, except like the Borg, they are super strong, great at research, spying (because you can't tell who's infected), and can live practically anywhere. The article indicated for drawbacks that either the population growth rate is either extremely low, or even zero... something about consuming their own population as food/upkeep, Soylent Green style...

  5. Re:With a little luck... by JahToasted · · Score: 2, Interesting
    With a little luck maybe it's finished too! ;-)

    Couldn't have said it better myself. I love MOO2, but it was sooo incomplete. I remember before the 1.3 patch came out you could build invincible ships. not a hack or a cheat, just a creative ship design.

    The Phase cloak made your ship impossible to hit while cloaked. You uncloaked when you fired and you'd recloak if you didn't fire any weapons for an entire turn.

    The time warp facilitator gave your ship two turns in combat.

    With both the time warp facilitator and phase cloak you could fire (and decloack) on your first turn then do nothing (and recloak) on the second. The enemy ships could never hit you even though you kept nailing them every turn... Kinda dirty, but technically not a cheat.

    Anyways they fixed it so that wouldn't work in 1.3 (while breaking a lot of other things). 1.31 was the last patch, I believe, even though there were still a lot of bugs and a lot of badly needed features (autobuild queue would've been nice).

  6. but will it be as good as VGAP? by Technik~ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember that? I'm not the only one who forked over $14 to Tim Wisseman for that game just to play on a BBS. It was one of the best I've ever played, addictive as all heck.

    Just about every turn-based, galactic conquest game has been a pale shadow of that one. I had a brief email discussion with the author when he decided to do the Windows version (I was among those who wanted a new DOS version or a port to *Nix) and found him to be a really cool guy.
    VGA Planets Home

    Maybe I should dig out that floppy disk and load up freedos.

    - technik

  7. Re:The best? by Dave_B93 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In case you haven't played it, you should try Steve Jacksons' Hacker!

    It's a card game though. The thought of that with a combination of the old BBS Hacker just makes me drool.

  8. Damn Skippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No kidding. Psilons made great pets when you could get technology through invasion or capturing and scrapping ships. Or espionage. I liked the Bulrathi beat down bonus, but the superspy security bonus was handy too.

    I might not end up with the ultimate in every technology, but when you want the sweet antarian tech, badass fighting bonuses didn't suck.

  9. Re:With a little luck... by EvilAlien · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What are you talking about regarding NWN with your "copy protection that makes it unplayable" comment? NWN shipped playable, and got improvements through patches, but I never had a problem with it. You must be bitter, because if you had problems it was with your rig. The game itself worked fine in my case. I bought the game and I don't see how any copy protection scheme could have interfered with a legit copy.

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  10. Uplink by DaBj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now if they made THAT game playable over the net.. woah... /DaBj

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  11. You think you've been waiting long? by DudemanX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure MOO and MOO2 are fun games and hopefully this one will even better, but I always prefered Master of Magic to Master of Orion(1 or 2). It's going on about 9 years now that I've been waiting for a sequel to MOM. Hopefully now that Quicksilver has finished MOO3 they can start on one of the most requested sequels ever. If you think I'm exagerating just search Google for "Master of Magic 2" and you'll get a whole slew of petitions and editorials saying we need this game. If nothing else I'd like just a port to a modern OS with perhaps some graphical updates and possibly some multiplayer support.

  12. Dragonball Z? by lexarius · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Dragon Ball Z and all logos, character names and distinctive likenesses thereof are trademarks of TOEI ANIMATION.

    While I've never played any other MOO game, I doubt that it has anything to do with Dragonball Z. So why does the Yahoo article say this?

  13. Re:With a little luck... by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I just crack the game at that point. Hey, I bought it, I own it, I want to play it.

    In fact, most of the games on my computer (most of which are legal - yes, I have a few that aren't, I'll admit it) are cracked. Why? Because I don't want to dig out the CD every time I want to play the game, because I don't want to deal with the occasional odd compatibility problem, because I don't want to have to remember which drive I installed it from. (I have two CD drives - one burner, one DVD - and I've found that many copy-protected game expect the right CD to be in the right drive. It's just too annoying.)

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  14. Re:With a little luck... by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ditto. Personally, my son is hard on disks (recently freaking Microsoft wanted $23.95! to replace his ages of empires 2 cd.. what a stupid policy. All cd's, from a $2000 sql server entrprise cd to this lowly game, have the same replacement media cost. The phone support guy cheerfully admitted this was stupid, and I could probably find the game for less if I looked).

  15. Surprising. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They should all follow the same code of ethics. Any place where they're serious about selling, they should be talking to people and helping them. Unhappy customers aren't customers anymore.

    Granted, he was just following the letter of the return policy, but the spirit of it is a little different. I learned that doing sales for a while. Maybe this guy just hadn't learned yet. Getting extra angry at them won't help, it only makes them defensive. You should just ask to speak to a manager, the know how to handle such situations.

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