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Humankind Makes Last Stand Against Machine
MrZeebo writes "According to this Financial Times story, Garry Kasparov has begun another match against a computer chess program on Sunday, this time playing against the Israeli-developed Deep Junior. Kasparov is the highest-rated chess player of all time, and lost to Deep Blue in 1997. According to the article, Deep Junior, despite evaluating less moves per minute than Deep Blue, is considered to be a superior chess player. The match will span 6 games, the last one being February 7th." Kasparov has won the first game.
i can't remember the last time i ever won a game of chess...
That is Amazing!
I can't even beat the easy setting on free apple version!
AC
deep junior can calculate 3-4 million moves per second! how can garry possibly win?
from wired: "Kasparov said he can calculate the potential of about 3 moves per second at best, 'but they are the best moves.'"
but make them play chess in a swimming pool and see who wins.
is to Slashdot them! Anyone know Deep Junior's ip?
"When all else fails, there's always delusion." -Conan O'Brien
PEOPLE BAD
Kasparov could win, but cautions should be taken. Who knows if Deep Junior Junior Junior Juior would send some robot to kill him. The history will be altered and mankind won't stand a chance against the machine.
True story.
During a long plane flight, my brother-in-law and I pitted my Palm III vs. his Pocket PC in a game of chess.
His Pocket PC was clearly winning when my Palm III crashed, something it rarely does.
Just goes to show that technology isn't above having a temper tantrum and kicking the chess board over.
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There you go, bringing colour into everything.
Can't we all just learn to love each other and give peace a chance?
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
are fritz's PR people :(
you'd have to have a hell of a lot better evaluation function to overcome calculating 1/100 as many positions per second, and deep blue's eval was miles better than fritz's back in '97. from what I've read on rec.games.chess, fritz may have CAUGHT UP in the eval department but it's not 100 times better for sure.
if you're interested in computer chess, check out "behind deep blue," by IBM's team lead. most interesting book I've read in a long time. One part I didn't know was that IBM's move generator & eval function were done in hardware, which is the main reason that even with 6 years of moore's law under its belt, deep fritz can't touch it for sheer power. I always got the impression from the general media that deep blue was just a software program on a massive RS/6000 box but no, it had hundreds of these custom chess boards in it, too.
re kasparov's claims of cheating, remember there's two sides to every story and you're only getting one. For his part, Hsu says that he tried to get garry's team to agree to a rematch both with IBM and after he left, and kasparov's team basically dodged while complaining loudly and pubicly that Hsu was running away from him. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between, but given the obvious huge size of garry's ego I'd take what he says with a correspondingly large grain of salt.
The year is 2003. The world is being taken over by chess playing robots. Our only hope is one man: Garry Kasparov (played by Arnold Schwarzenegger... A tough sell, I know). He has to control his childish temper as he takes on Deep Blue, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz, and (We're In) Deep Shit. Sure, they look like sissy beige boxes, but they're tough. There will be no time to pout, no leaving in disgrace; every move is on the clock (so to speak). In the final scene, Kasparov beats Deep Blue to a pulp with a Louiseville Slugger. So much for strategy! Astalavista baby!
...oOOo..'(_)'..oOOo...
There is a story I remember reading in a computer magazine once (about 10 years ago) that seemed to me to be at best anecdotal but more likely urban myth. Anyhow, it was in a respected publication, and it wasn't the April issue, so I just filed it away in my brain in the "stranger things have happened" category.
According to the story, a chess computer that was programmed to win at all costs realised that it's human opponent was moves away from beating it. To avoid defeat, which was its overriding objective, it electrified the chess board and electrified its opponent when he made his next move.
Like I said, it sounded like urban myth to me (and pre-WWW I had no real way of exploring the myth further) but perhaps someone out there knows better.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Eh....depends on a computer. The old iMacs (the technicolored ones) seem pretty shameless. If you can make one of those get embarassed by a little truth or dare, you have to be DAMNED clever. Anyways, what're you gonna do? Dare it to install Microsoft XP as its OS? Ask it how many pornography jpegs are on its harddrive? Ask it if it's ever been pinged without a firewall?
What I really want to see is a computer that can read slashdot articles and post replies. And I'm not talking about easy-to-program "In Soviet Russia" replies, either. My experience shows that at least half of the anonymous cowards who post probably ARE that type of bot...
If not all sentients are human, couldn't it be possible that not all humans are sentient either?
Kirk always beat Spock at chess.
/trekkie
~D:
On the other hand, the Video Chess program on my Atari 2600 can handily beat me.
I wish I were joking.
If the AI is winning, we look like a bunch of stupid apes.
If the AI is losing, it cheats and starts a nuclear exchange that destroys civilization.
We're screwed either way.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
OK, I tried the DC and now I'm stuck. What do I do now?
On the other hand, everyone is interested in a match where raw human power, applied stupidly, defeats an opponent; both another human opponent (witness: boxing, or wrestlemania hospital, if you know what I mean) or a machine -- By the latter, I think you know I'm talking about midgets pulling a cargo plane on Fox. The network that'll do anything for your money. Make sure you write them a letter asking to see more tits.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
when the computer recognizes faces better than you, plays soccer better than you, writes poetry better than you, steals your girlfriend, and passes the turing test, will you still think its just "following the rules"? your brain is just following the rules of physics too you know.
If someone ever designs a computer that can steal my girlfriend, I will certainly give that computer a little lesson in the laws of physics...
Don't anthropomorphize Computers. They don't like it.
-- Fnord.
So a rough estimate as to the total storage space it would require is 1.44x1043 bytes.
Or, to put that figure in a more human perspective, approximately the
aggregate capacity of all the AOL CDs you've thrown out since 1993.