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Rick Berman Doesn't Know Why Nemesis Tanked
Steve Krutzler writes "Star Trek producer Rick Berman broke his silence today on the debacle that was the North American box office for STAR TREK NEMESIS. The film grossed $18.5 million in its opening weekend in mid-December, the lowest of any TREK bow, and its current domestic total stands below even that of the much-lambasted STAR TREK V. Read more at TrekWeb. Berman says he doesn't know why the movie failed and the future of more TREK movies is uncertain."
Obviously its because they cut Wil Wheaton's scenes out of the movie.
Success of trek (proportional to) minutes of wheaton. eh???
I read his site. He wasnt even called for opening night.
wilwheaton.net
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Ask Slashdot why Nemesis failed. You just know you'll get a ton of insightful and intelligent answers out of a question like that.
They'll eventually figure out the deep, dark secret of the ST:TNG series: Wil Wheaton was the glue that held that show together. He was the driving force that kept us all watching. His creative spirit guided the series, and to leave him out of a project is to incur the Wrath of Khan.
Seriously, Wil, got any comments?
Didn't it open the same weekend as Rob Schneider's The Hot Chick?
My God, what was Paramount thinking of!
Why ST: Nemesis "tanked":
(1) The plot wasn't worthy of the talent arrayed; and,
(2) The plot was nothing more than an episode turned feature length;, and,
(3) It was all hype, no substance; and,
(4) People don't want to see a main character (Data) die in a lame way, give the man some respect, will you?; and,
(5) Retarded androids aren't funny.
A super ship owned by a sect of the Romulan empire?
Picards clone leading them?
RAMMING SPEED???
Bah, I've seen better on sites like this and many other sites like it.
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Nemisis was the greatest movie of the year! What better plot than to have evil mirror images of the Star Trek Crew. This idea is so deep and spiritual, that surely they deserve more credit. And what's more, the survival of Earth was at stake! It sure doesn't get more exciting or original than that I can tell you.
It's good to see Star Trek follow the quality ideas of such exciting shows as Andromeda, and StarHunters.
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10. After slugging down six Shirley Temple's in 10-forward, Wes stumbles to the holodeck, which he commands to "take me to hell." His broken body is later found on the empty holodeck in a pool of vomit.
9. Wesley gets gang-raped by a group of female Klingons.
8. Riker gets carried away executing an order from Picard to "knock the little snot around a bit."
7. Data catches him tossing off. Uncomprehending, he requires a detailed explanation from Wesley, who dies of embarrassment.
6. Extensive lab analysis of a green slime found on one of the control panels uncovers the fact that our favorite ensign has, once again, been picking his nose. He is summarily fired and commits suicide.
5. Wes gets gang-raped by a group of male Klingons.
4. On an earlier episode, Wes got to kiss a girl who turned into a Chewbacca-like creature. Here, she returns, and they once again get involved. (Un)fortunately, once she gets really heated, she mutates back into a wookie and forces Wesley to be her cringing sex slave. She then tears him limb from limb and eats him.
3. In a rare episode involving characters from both ST and ST:TNG, Spock attempts a Vulcan mind-meld with Wesley. Wesley's head explodes. Spock barely survives, spending the next several days scratching himself and whining.
2. Worf notices a Romulan ship on the scanners, and sends Wesley down to clean out the photon tubes. Later, someone makes a comment about the needs of the many having outweighed the needs of the few.
1. Wes gets involved in a deviant sexual practice known as "tribble stuffing," not realizing that tribbles multiply any where. Even an emergency laser enema by Dr. Crusher fails to save him
Anataka suki desu. Itsumo. Itsumademo.
Yes, I agree. Berman fell victim to one of the classic blunders.
The most famous, of course, is never get involved in a bidding war with Dreamworks.
But only SLIGHTLY less well known is this:
Never go in 5 days ahead of LORD OF THE RINGS when the franchise is on the line!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha --
What? There was a new Star Trek movie?
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Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
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Oh come on! Anyone with half a brain can see that this was obviously caused by rampant downloading of illegal copies of the film. What we need are laws to protect the hard working American who pored their hearts and soles into the making of this fine movie only to have it stolen by hackers, pirates and terrorists.
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to be honest by the end of the movie you wish they were all dead.
I desribed the film to my friends thus:
"Like Star Trek 2. Only crap."
10 tips for living in the 24th century...
1. Never get a cabin in the front of the saucer section
2. Always carry a knife. You never know when the other guy will have a knife.
3. If you are in a hurry, the ventilation ducts in the walls of the ship are large enough to drive a tank through.
4. They might be full of aliens, though.
5. Ignore Counselor Troi. She may just be having her period.
6. Anyone who looks remotely like you is probably your evil twin, a robot, or both, and should not be trusted.
7. There is no complicated political scenario so complex that it cannot be resolved by two men beating the crap out of eachother followed by a giant explosion.
8. If anything remotely interesting happens on a nearby planet, take the entire command crew to investigate, even if it means leaving the ship's janitor in command of a multi-billion dollar starship.
9. Anything with lots of veins showing is probably not very nice.
10. Never wear a red shirt.
If I missed any cliches, rest assured Nemesis didn't.
Wesley suggests to `Q' that Q might stand for Queer. The all-powerful being takes offense, turns Wesley into a giant testicle and hits him with a hammer, thus extinguishing him in the most painful way possible.
Magnus.
Clearly, the only way for the Star Trek series to get itself out of this rut (the only way it's EVER gotten itself out of any rut) is to bring back an old character and make him evil! Do I mean evil Khan? Evil Kirk? Evil Spock's brother? Evil Lor? No! I'm talking about Evil Wil!
After years of being abandoned at the academy and getting dumped in trash cans and toilet swirlies, Wil wants nothing more than for Captain Picard to grovel at his feet as he gives him the galaxy's worst wedgie! "Ha ha ha! That's right Picard! Feel my pain! You could have been a father figure to me, but you kicked me off your ship!" In a shocking twist, Wesley's own mother shoots him with a phaser.
"Et tu Mother?"
"You know, I never like that little brat anyway."
The only thing sadder than Nemisis will be the lackluster number of posts on Slashdot about the movie that no one went and saw.
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Forget them ole Next Gen'rs, that Starship Exeter movie had better acting and a superior plot.
Seriously, I enjoyed watching that fan-based production as much as I enjoyed Nemesis. They both sucked equally and one cost a lot less to make.
I only mod up parents of "mod parent up" posts...
You're the only one who cares.
Dork.
Easy. No nudity. They had it all setup with the betazoid wedding mumbo jumbo, then left you hanging worse than a nervous virgin.
You shouldn't frustrate geeks like that.
They have a tremendous selection of fresh juices
"Rick Berman's First Post-NEMESIS Interview"
... "Post-Nemesis"? ... ... nevermind.
Ha! I knew I recognized the writing style on few of those FPs! Well, Mr. Berman, I just want you to know I modded you down. So there.
What's that? "First"
The pure tribal satisfaction of seeing our fellow Slashdotnik is a movie would have to count for something.
I guess he didn't watch it.
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hard working American who pored their hearts and soles
Ah, the mental picture of Rick Berman alternately poking holes into his chest and shoes......
.....maybe that explains why the movie sucked....
....or maybe is was just yet another trek movie in a series hanging on to the stories of a dead man.
Whatever
"The Search for Lost Data"
Get Symantec/Norton to underwrite it.
Ummm, I don't remember seeing 'Harry Potter and the Two Towers'. Was it good? What courageous stunt did Harry do with those two towers?
Instead of taking what was in the box, Star Trek should have stuck with the red snapper. Verrrry tasty!
Maybe if there's a next movie episode they could slip through a wormhole into an alternate universe where all spaceships don't fly "right side up" in space. Just think of the possibilities in a reality with an extra, third dimension!
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
Yeah but:
Wheel of Fish: Do you want to keep your Red Snapper or take the box!
The Box!
You get....absolutley nothing!! So stupid!!
You are wrong - and right...
Try this little experiment:
Chain yourself to a locomotive with tinfoil in a free fall environment. Now, back up (fire your engines) and you will move away from the locomotive and the tinfoil will break. The locomotive will not move.
It is entirely within the realm of possibility that either event could have taken place - depending on how 'attached' they were from the impact and how much mass is involved on either ship.
If the attachment of interconnecting metal was strong enough to move the mass of the Enterprise, then it would have remained attached. If, on the other hand, the interconnecting metal was not strong enough to move the mass of the Enterprise, it would break at some point - as we saw in the movie.
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And Bowie J. Poag Doesn't Care Why Nemesis Tanked.
Bowie J. Poag
What would Emperor Norton do?
Emperor Norton would finance his own movie using his own minted cash, playing himself as the star, but in this case, protector of the federation, and emperor of Orion, or some such. And he would very likely make it a better film than Nemesis.
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Well, see, Harry has this ring^H^H^H^H diary that contains the life essence of Saur*cough*, I mean, Voldemort that he (Harry) has to destroy, but first they (the hobbi^H^H er, kids) have to find the entrance to Mord*scribble scribble* the Chamber of Secrets that's in one of the two Towers at Middle School or something...
Whats up with the stupid car thingie on the planet??! That reminded me of the chase in Diamonds are Forever. I mean, a dune buggy with Picard and Worf riding shotgun (Ok, riding Phaser) is NOT what I'd expect from an ST movie, somehow. For one, why the hell did the Enterprise not just beam them up when they were under fire??!!
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The problem with Nemesis is that the movie was directed by a action movie director who is not an Startrek fan (Stuart Baird) and he directed it like an action film. SO here goes to Paramount. THIS IS NOT JAMES BLOODY BOND!
In one scene my friend (who is not a St fan and do not know the chars) leaned over to me and said "Picard, Jean luc Picard". That said it all.
That said, the movie was not THAT bad. I really liked Shinzon's "I was lonely" line and of course, Deanna Troi in that skimpy little thing. Hmmmmm. I mean, this ST actually had an MPAA rating for "scene of sexual content". And its not Kirk porking aliens either.
Data singing was a little embarassing. No wonder they killed him off
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Some spoilers follow:
It failed because the first 20 minutes or so was nothing but a big tease. Riker and Troi get married. The Betazoidian wedding is where all the participats are naked! WhooHoo, we finally get to see the councelar naked! Wait! Huge crisis follow. Solve crises. End movie, What? No naked Troi? Arg!
Nemesis reinforced just how important it is to remember to backup your Data.
Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here all week, drive safely.
Ok, I gave up mod points, and it's off topic, but this is exactly right. So here goes:
I wasn't in it!
There was no Jar-Jar Binks.
You know where you are? You're in the $PATH, baby. You're gonna get executed!
Wesley, it's a trap!!
She was actually one of the more interesting characters on the show.
And in my view, the single hottest.
If given a choice between Crusher and Troi, I'd pick Crusher any day.
Crusher: Smart, skilled, attractive, long red hair, when she saved the ship it was with her BRAIN. Real sexual tension with Picard.
Troi: Decent rack but beyond that a source of obvious, any child could tell you that, "Insight." When she saved the ship it was because the writers couldn't think of a better story that week. Lame, cold turkey parody of sexual tension with the Kirk wannabe.
That and we all know which actress has aged better.
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One Fine Day At The Academy
Wes: Bye, Mom!
Bev: Bye, Wes!
(door closes)
Squadronmate Tom Paris: Damn, Wes! Your mom is one hot piece of ass. I would pound the holy hell out of her for hours on end.
Wes: Shut up!
Tom: I'm talkin' about burying a diamond class erection to the hilt inside old Big Red!
Wes: Shut up you ass!
Tom: I mean, what more could you want out of life? Is she a natural redhead, if you know what I mean?
Wes: Shut up now!
Tom: Damn, I'd like to go to sleep with her stink on me. I'm just gonna take this little genetic sample over to the bioclone lab and run a little...experiment.
"Has [being a kidnapped teenage girl, raped repeatedly for months] changed you?" - Katie Couric to Elizabeth Smart
Actually, I think this was the Pr0n version, and it wasn't Harry but Hermione... :)
(Assuming . . . reasonably faithful plotlines- no gay Wesley, no Wesley's really a romulan hybrid)
Well, that vast library of fan fiction is right out, then.
I am still waiting on a series called 'Borg' where they are the main focus.
/me wanders off, muttering about that kickass sounding show!
Naw, what we need is a show called "borg wars", where humanity is trying to defeat the invincible borg -- not the crappy hugs and kisses "well if you take them out of the collective they're really nice chaps" borgs who can be taken out with a judo chop or a light breeze, I'm talking about the borg as they originally were -- invincible, immortal, unwaveringly alien, ultimately cold and calculating(instead of the way they are portrayed as predictable animals later on) and really f*cking scary. Actually, forget about the borg altogether and just make a series like that from scratch. It would be f*cking cool. Especially if there were lots of explosions and hot chicks who aren't really wearing enough clothing. And beer. That would be the best series ever. Especially if they actually had main characters die for no reason sometimes and they didn't make every death into a heroic sacrifice for mankind.
It's been a long time.
In the original script, and when we shot it, Riker plays the hell out of the trombone during the wedding sequence, while Data sings "Blue Skies."
Oooh, will that be an extra on the special edition DVD?
Yeah. I just heard that they're cutting the additional Wesley scenes from the Director's Cut to make room for that scene.