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US Immigration Implements Biometric-based Border

scubacuda writes "The NY Times reports (free registration) that immigrations officials are putting in place a sophisticated new identification system that uses ID cards encrypted with digital photos, signatures, biographical information and fingerprints that have been issued by the State Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service by the millions over the last five years. "With more information systems, there are more opportunities for abuse," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, which is pushing the government to release more information on its biometric plans."

125 comments

  1. You gotta be shittin me! by cerskine · · Score: -1

    Private Michael, you gotta be shittin me - you mean to tell me that you cannot do ONE SINGLE PULL UP?

  2. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first post

  3. George Orwell award by LinuxXPHybrid · · Score: 5, Funny

    This year's George Orwell award is going to whoever built this system? Well, congratulation!

    1. Re:George Orwell award by The_dev0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I reckon. Why wate their time with this, when all they need is to start tattooing barcodes on our foreheads. Much more cost effective!

      --
      Never fight naked, unless you're in prison...
    2. Re:George Orwell award by kliment · · Score: 1

      Ahh... you must be referring to the big brother awards distributed by the EFF's spawn in Finland, EFFi... link here Sorry, finnish version only, but you can see the lovely award... You want to see the future?

    3. Re:George Orwell award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      About six months ago, I submitted a story to /. about an ANSI committee to standardize biometric data. Although the story was rejected, it doesn't hurt to know that the work remains. Basically, the INS (and other agencies) know they cannot dictate one vendor's biometric ID equipment as the only authorized equipment. So the problem is how to read a thumbprint with, say, Identix gear on the Canadian border, and then have a match when the person next uses, say SAFLINK equipment at an airport.


      The solution is to make an ANSI standard for the data, and have all the equipment vendors export to that. The data standard being worked out is ANSI committee M1 (iirc). The beauty of standardizing the data is that then all it takes is wrapping a little XML around it and shipping it to a central clearinghouse - voila! Total Whereabouts Active Tracking (or, as the officers assigned to the duty call it: TWAT Patrol).

  4. scary by sickboy_macosX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TOo bad Orwell's novel was not "2004" I mean i realize it is 2003 but think of what it is going to be like next year.

    --
    --- /* In Soviet Russia, the Mac OS X kernel panics you! */
    1. Re:scary by _Pablo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess that like most technology led projects, delays are the order of the day.

      So if 1984 comes 20 years late, then 2001 isn't due for another 18 years - give the current rate of space odessey-ing that may even be a little optimisitic!

      --
      $2B OR NOT $2B = $FF
    2. Re:scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the land of the free" has managed to prove me again that Orwell was an optimist

    3. Re:scary by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      So if 1984 comes 20 years late ...

      Since Orwelll (aka Mr Blair) was writing about
      1948...
      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
    4. Re:scary by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I may be stating the obvious, but the reason that Orwell called his book 1984 was that he wrote it in 1948 - he just flipped the last two digits. It's ironic that he modelled the Oceania in his dystopia on the Soviet Union, while most of the 1984 references produced refer to the USA (and Britain, to a lesser extent).

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  5. AMERICA: LAND OF THE FREE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    there you go!!! now face it...

    Your goverment is completely FUBAR...

    Support terrorists NOW and kill your politicans

    free your country from that texanian weirdo and become friend of europe again!!!

  6. Which way do the barriers face? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outwards? Inwards? Both ways?

    Does this mean that we draft dodge to canada anymore?

  7. BUSH MUST BE STOPPED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Ask yourself why the US government ALLOWED the planes to hit the WTC...

    They knew about the hijacking 2 HOURS before hand, but did NOTHING to stop it...

    Did bush just ALLOW it to happen? or did he PLAN it?

    BUSH CAUSED 9/11 BUSH IS A KILLER BUSH IS HITLER

  8. Foreign passports require biometrics? by roybadami · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The most interesting (to me) comment in the article (which isn't elaborated further) is:

    The legislation also requires foreign governments to use biometric technology in passports.

    What if countries refuse? -- and I can't really see the rest of the world adding biometrics to their passports just becuase the US tells them to.

    Being British, I don't currently require a visa for a short (up to 3 months?) visit to the US. I guess if Europe doesn't go along with these demands, I'm going to need a visa (which, presumably, will have biometrics embedded in it).

    1. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they've probably already brokered deals to include biometrics with all the major countries which travlers originate from... under threat of economic sanction if they don't comply.

      the might of the american market is not to be underestimated.

      Being British your next passport will have biometrics in it, if all goes well/badly.

    2. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      Ha! Money talks and bullshit get bombed off the face of the planet.

      --
      If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
    3. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by ciderpunk · · Score: 2, Informative

      What if countries refuse? -- and I can't really see the rest of the world adding biometrics to their passports just becuase the US tells them to.

      The UK are intending to introduce biometric id cards - there's already been consultation (so called) about it. The US biometric thing was sited by David Blunkett as a reason for us needing them ... Details here

    4. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by roybadami · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry about the dropped tag above.

      Found another reference that might be of interest:

      http://www.gunweek.com/archives/2002/hs090102.html

      The countries that are members of the US visa waiver programme (allowing short stays in the US without a visa) are required to implement biometrics on all passports issued after October 2004, otherwise their citizens will be required to apply for a US visa in order to visit the US.

      The article comments that the Irish are concerned about the possible damage to trade and tourism that would result from the reintroduction of visa requirements.

      I'll be intrested to see how this turns out, but I think there'll be a public outcry here in the UK if there's an attempt to include biometrics on British passports.

      So I guess I'll be needing a visa, then...

    5. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by roybadami · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. More interesting, in fact, is the suggestion in the article you cite that the Schengen countries have already decided to go ahead with biometrics.

      So biometrics look like they're a forgone conclusion in Europe.

    6. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the new world.

    7. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by AndrewM1 · · Score: 0

      Oh well.If Canada refuses to input biometrics,
      I guess I'm going to need a visa. But, since Canada is USA Junior, I doubt
      That Canada will acually refuse. I can just see it now. My passport embedded with my
      retnia scans, finderprints, a small tape containing a voice sample, programming
      ability, level of nerdity, and my Slashdot Karma Rating.

      Oh ****. How much again does a plane ticket to Ugoslavia cost?

    8. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

      I have heard that the Netherlands is also going to include biometric information on a newly to be developed passport, because it is required by the US government. I think it is ridiculous that the US government is enforcing policies for foreigners that they never would (could) request from their own citizens.

    9. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      The UK are intending to introduce biometric id cards - there's already been consultation (so called) about it.

      Yeah, but it was shot down in flames due to some pretty major grass roots opposition that sprung up overnight against it.

      Of course, they called it an "Entitlement Card". Don't ya just love the Newspeak?

    10. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      The article comments that the Irish are concerned about the possible damage to trade and tourism that would result from the reintroduction of visa requirements.

      So I guess I'll be needing a visa, then...

      Or, you could just not go there anymore. Their loss, it's their tourist industry.

    11. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by eXtro · · Score: 1

      Canada has actually been good in these regards. When the immigration troglodytes started screening on not only present citizenship but country of origin Canada redesigned the passports to avoid it.

    12. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by front · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "but I think there'll be a public outcry here in the UK"

      Public outcry in the UK rarely changes things unless it is accompanied by violent demonstrations in Trafalgar Square (Poll Tax demonstration). When the right-to-silence was removed by the British Parliament a few years back, the public outcry did nothing to change the situation.

      The current crop of British politicians have recently decided to do whatever the US government tells them. If the US government tells them to include biometric data on UK passports then the British politicians will include it. The usual "post 9-11" anti-terrorist security reasons will be hauled out... a few "looney-left" politicos will raise some civil rights issues, the media will come down firmly on the side of the Home Office and you will not be needing a visa to enter the United States at all.

      You may be "interested to see how this turns out" but I'm wondering why the result is not obvious to you...

      cheers

      front

    13. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      What if countries refuse? -- and I can't really see the rest of the world adding biometrics to their passports just becuase the US tells them to.

      Then you wouldn't be allowed in the US.

    14. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by roybadami · · Score: 1

      Then you wouldn't be allowed in the US.

      The US isn't that isolationist.

      But we already have the answer; the US would suspect that country's membership of the visa waiver programme, and their citizens would have to apply for visas, just like it worked in the old days.

      The visas would, of course, include biometric data.

    15. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by roybadami · · Score: 1

      The UK are intending to introduce biometric id cards - there's already been consultation (so called) about it. The US biometric thing was sited by David Blunkett as a reason for us needing them ... Details here [privacyinternational.org]

      I'd also add that, whatever the outcome of the consultation on ID cards, ie whether or not they ever happen, and whether or not they end up containing biometric data (at least in the short term), it seems to me pretty unlikely that ID cards will be up and running by the US deadline of Oct 2004, let alone biometric data on passports (which hasn't even been consulted yet).

      I very much doubt that many (any?) countries will meet the deadline, so the US will have two choices: extend the deadline, or effectively shut down the visa waiver programme.

    16. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      the US would suspect
      [suspend?] that country's membership of the visa waiver programme


      And you do know why the programme exists? The day France is removed is the day all those nice american tourists start needing a visa to see the Eiffel Tower.


      Deterrence, it works if both sides have the bomb.

      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
    17. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      How does that work with Canada? Last I checked, I didn't need a passport to visit the US. Just some form of ID (birth certificate or drivers license I think).

    18. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      The US isn't that isolationist.

      Not saying the US was; but they may keep people out that refuse to play by the rules they dicate for 'security' reasons.

    19. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I guess I'll be needing a visa also to visit the UK (coming from the US) since these things seem to be done tit for tat

    20. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like Canada is also being hit with this. According to CBC the government is lobbying to have Canada made exempt but they are also working on implementing the bio-metric card. I guess this means the US gets to pass another law that they expect the rest of the world to obey. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/02/10/id_cards03021 0

    21. Re:Foreign passports require biometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you will have to have better ID when the new US bill passes after march 2003 IMHO.

  9. First Ben Franklin Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those who sacrifice essential... blah blah blah.... deserve neither... blah blah blah.

    Oooh, isn't this like 1984?

    Now all we need is some pointless ranting from "Fantastic Lad", and we have a fully complete YRO article!!!

    Fuck you all.

    1. Re:First Ben Franklin Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you here? If you don't want to read this stuff, go elsewhere.

  10. Minority Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't we see this in some movie? I don't like the idea at all.

  11. and on a side note, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that famous American puppet-state, Australia, is doing the same thing.

    1. Re:and on a side note, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hmm... my passport is valid for another 7 years or so... now presumably this would require all passports to be reissued or reapplied for, or swapped as they expire.

      If they wait for expiry, the system can't work fully for another 10 years.

      If they force reapplication, there'll be a public outcry if there's any need to pay for the new ones. The current affairs programs will have a field day.

      So the remaining option involves the government paying for it all to be switched over... and the current affairs shows will have a field day again, talking about wasted money...

    2. Re:and on a side note, by roybadami · · Score: 1

      Hmm... my passport is valid for another 7 years or so... now presumably this would require all passports to be reissued or reapplied for, or swapped as they expire.

      As I understand it, it's only passports issued after October 2004 that will have to have biometric data. So you're right, it will be 10 years before the system is fully operational.

  12. Obligatory quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was an Ident-i-Eeze, and was a very naughty and silly thing for Harl to have lying around in his wallet, though it was perfectly understandable. There were so many different ways in which you were required to provide absolute proof of your identity these days that life could easily become extremely tiresome just from that factor alone, never mind the deeper existential problems of trying to function as a coherent consciousness in an epistemologically ambiguous physical universe. Just look at cash point machines, for instance. Queues of people standing around waiting to have their fingerprints read, their retinas scanned, bits of skin scraped from the nape of the neck and undergoing instant (or nearly instant --- a good six or seven seconds in tedious reality) genetic analysis, then having to answer trick questions about members of their family they didn't even remember they had, and about their recorded preferences for tablecloth colours. And that was just to get a bit of spare cash for the weekend. If you were trying to raise a loan for a jetcar, sign a missile treaty or pay an entire restaurant bill things could get really trying.

    Hence the Ident-i-Eeze. This encoded every single piece of information about you, your body and your life into one all- purpose machine-readable card that you could then carry around in your wallet, and therefore represented technology's greatest triumph to date over both itself and plain common sense.

  13. This is great by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

    Now all we need is some way to get all the illegal aliens to get this groovy new identification card...

    Now if only the INS could manage to not screw up my friend's citizenship request.

    --
    If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
    1. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Your friend is a TERRORIST!

      Go to CONDITION RED!

  14. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Biometric-based Border Implements YOU!

  15. BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitler never killed his own people and then blamed someone else!

    Give him some credit! Bush is worse!

    1. Re:BULLSHIT by birukun · · Score: 1

      HUH?

      You are one of those guys who trusts the United Nations over the United States, right?

      Have faith in the belief that others like you are the 'checks and balances' in the U.S. government - the whole reason for free speech. If I was hearing more about how Bush is killing our own people from elsewhere, then I would be inclined to put more weight into your statement.

      But for now, I will push thee to the fringe.....

      --
      Self Defense - A Human Right www.a-human-right.com
    2. Re:BULLSHIT by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Hitler never killed his own people and then blamed someone else!


      Never? No Never!


      Keep on dreaming.

      --
      Watch this Heartland Institute video
  16. New trend in America? by nfk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's an interesting change in the equation involving security and freedom; prior to September 11th, measures like this and the concentration of intelligence in one big department, and even things like the patriotic acts, would have been much more impopular. I live in a country (Portugal, in Europe) where citizens get an ID card when they are around 12. That would probably be considered inadequate and an invasion of privacy in the United States, but partly driven by the fear brought by the terrorist attacks and maybe also as a window of opportunity that politicians have taken advantage of, it is happening. I wonder what the sentiments of the majority of the population are.

    1. Re:New trend in America? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's an interesting change in the equation involving security and freedom

      Welcome to Politics. Where people use just about anything to get what they want, with absolutely no respect for anyone else. For example, if a noteable shooting happens, the anti-gun lobby will sieze on that incident and use it to push their own agenda. Just like the incidents on Sept 11 are being used to push for these systems. They are not a reaction to any potential terrorist threat, certain people have been wanting these things for years. They are merely manipulating the public into thinking that it is neccessary. Democracy starts to fail when the government has the power to manipulate the public.

      Do you think the souls who perished that day would be happy about the increasingly hypocritical "Land of the Free" turning into a police state? Where all your movements and communications are logged for all time? Where you are afraid to critizise the governent because it will increase your "terrorist rating" score on some automated system? Is that what "USA" means nowadays?

      I am sorry, my American cousins, but your country is sliding down the crapper big time. It no longer stands for what it's supposed to, and it is a complete mockery of your constitution.

    2. Re:New trend in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... even things like the patriotic acts, would have been much more impopular.

      <wiggum>Me fail English? That's unpossible!</wiggum>
  17. Tsarkon Reports - in the USSR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    In Soviet Russia;

    The BORDER CONTAINS YOU!

    Fuck the gay lameness filter; here is a crap flood to DEFEAT IT, because in SOVIET RUSSIA, the FILTER FILTERS MADLA [moldy fucking malda]!

    I've got a beef with Lord Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP Lame Ass Faggot with GAY FILTERS and CHILDISH BLACKLISTS Malda The Small Penis Fag with GAY FILTERS and IP BANNING. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and create greater public understanding of the damage caused by Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's publications. Really, he appears to have found a new tool to use to help him hammer away at the characters of all those who will not help him rob us of our lives, our health, our honor, and our belongings. That tool is obscurantism, and if you watch him wield it, you'll certainly see why if I have a bias, it is only against hypocritical demonic-types who eviscerate freedom of speech and sexual privacy rights.

    It saddens me that this is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. What does Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP have to say about all of this? The answer, as expected, is nothing. Take this example: Let's say that you can chalk up incidents such as the ones I've described to the uncouth nature of his perceptions. Now let's say that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's litanies reinforce the point that we still have a long way to go in terms of achieving true tolerance in our society. Does that mean that imperialism is the only alternative to sadism? No, because we've all heard Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear.

    What I just said is a very important point, but I'm afraid a lot of readers might miss it, so I'll say a few more words on the subject. He likes methods of interpretation that tip the scales in his favor. Could there be a conflict of interest there? If you were to ask me, I'd say that it will not be easy to give him condign punishment. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that, for the overriding reason that it's incomprehensible for Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP to subject human beings to indignities. Or perhaps I should say, it's peevish. I am, of course, referring to a recent occurrence which is so well-known, it requires no comment, except to add that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's inarticulate, disloyal sermons leave the current power structure untouched while simultaneously killing countless children through starvation and disease. Are these children his enemies? On the surface, it would seem to have something to do with the way that it is undeniable by anyone but indelicate bimbos that I am appalled that I have cause to write this article. But upon further investigation, one will find that "Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone lead us, lemminglike, over the precipice of self-destruction, I tell him or her to stop "Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP-ing".

    Socrates was condemned to death by the city of Athens for his views. I hope I don't receive the same treatment for saying that the insurrectionism "debate" is not a debate. It is a harangue, a politically motivated, brilliantly publicized, manipulative attack on progressive ideas. Given Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's propensity for repression in the service of paradigmatic integrity, it is little wonder that several things Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how his expositions are Right with a capital R.

    To the best of my knowledge, his short-sighted zingers are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of parasitism are blooming all around us. Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP can't attack my ideas, so he attacks me. It could be worse, I suppose. He could pander to our worst fears. This is not the same as saying that different people often see the same subject in different lights, although that, too, is true.

    When he was first found trying to hamstring our efforts to indicate in a rough and approximate way the two revolting tendencies that I believe are the main driving force of modern boosterism, I was scared. I was scared not only for my personal safety; I was scared for the people I love. And now that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP is planning to empty garbage pails full of the vilest slanders and defamations on the clean garments of honorable people, I'm indeed downright terrified.

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    To be honest, my purpose here is not to illustrate the virtues that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP lacks -- courage, truthfulness, courtesy, honesty, diligence, chivalry, loyalty, and industry. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that I can't follow Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's pretzel logic. I do, however, know that he has two imperatives. The first is to put the prisoners in charge of running the prison. The second imperative is to drive us into a state of apoplexy. It's fine to realize that the underlying reasons and causes for Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's politically incorrect opuscula must be defined, examined, and resolved, or they'll never cease, but it's more important to know that someone has to be willing to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities. Even if it's not polite to do so. Even if it hurts a lot of people's feelings. Even if everyone else is pretending that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP should level filth and slime at everyone opposed to his tricks because "it's the right thing to do".

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    We are on a slippery slope towards economic strife, social turmoil, cultural chaos, and craven factionalism. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. After having read this, you may think that it's amazing how low Lord Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP Lame Ass Faggot with GAY FILTERS and CHILDISH BLACKLISTS Malda The Small Penis Fag with GAY FILTERS and IP BANNING will stoop to tear down all theoretical frameworks for addressing the issue. Nevertheless, you should always remember that I must doubtlessly reach out even to my most ostrich-like readers and show them how he clings to any argument or principle, however mephitic or crapulous, that appears to support his ballyhoos.

  18. tsarkon: in soviet russia, the border contains YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    In Soviet Russia;

    The BORDER CONTAINS YOU!

    In Soviet Russia, "Freedom Fighters" hated censorship, not embraced it.

    Fuck the gay lameness filter; here is a crap flood to DEFEAT IT, because in SOVIET RUSSIA, the FILTER FILTERS MADLA [moldy fucking malda]!


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    I've got a beef with Lord Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP Lame Ass Faggot with GAY FILTERS and CHILDISH BLACKLISTS Malda The Small Penis Fag with GAY FILTERS and IP BANNING. To organize my discussion, I suggest that we take one step back in the causal chain and create greater public understanding of the damage caused by Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's publications. Really, he appears to have found a new tool to use to help him hammer away at the characters of all those who will not help him rob us of our lives, our health, our honor, and our belongings. That tool is obscurantism, and if you watch him wield it, you'll certainly see why if I have a bias, it is only against hypocritical demonic-types who eviscerate freedom of speech and sexual privacy rights.

    It saddens me that this is not wild speculation. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented fact. What does Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP have to say about all of this? The answer, as expected, is nothing. Take this example: Let's say that you can chalk up incidents such as the ones I've described to the uncouth nature of his perceptions. Now let's say that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's litanies reinforce the point that we still have a long way to go in terms of achieving true tolerance in our society. Does that mean that imperialism is the only alternative to sadism? No, because we've all heard Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP yammer and whine about how he's being scapegoated again, the poor dear.

    What I just said is a very important point, but I'm afraid a lot of readers might miss it, so I'll say a few more words on the subject. He likes methods of interpretation that tip the scales in his favor. Could there be a conflict of interest there? If you were to ask me, I'd say that it will not be easy to give him condign punishment. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that, for the overriding reason that it's incomprehensible for Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP to subject human beings to indignities. Or perhaps I should say, it's peevish. I am, of course, referring to a recent occurrence which is so well-known, it requires no comment, except to add that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's inarticulate, disloyal sermons leave the current power structure untouched while simultaneously killing countless children through starvation and disease. Are these children his enemies? On the surface, it would seem to have something to do with the way that it is undeniable by anyone but indelicate bimbos that I am appalled that I have cause to write this article. But upon further investigation, one will find that "Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone lead us, lemminglike, over the precipice of self-destruction, I tell him or her to stop "Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP-ing".

    Socrates was condemned to death by the city of Athens for his views. I hope I don't receive the same treatment for saying that the insurrectionism "debate" is not a debate. It is a harangue, a politically motivated, brilliantly publicized, manipulative attack on progressive ideas. Given Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's propensity for repression in the service of paradigmatic integrity, it is little wonder that several things Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how his expositions are Right with a capital R.

    To the best of my knowledge, his short-sighted zingers are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of parasitism are blooming all around us. Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP can't attack my ideas, so he attacks me. It could be worse, I suppose. He could pander to our worst fears. This is not the same as saying that different people often see the same subject in different lights, although that, too, is true.

    When he was first found trying to hamstring our efforts to indicate in a rough and approximate way the two revolting tendencies that I believe are the main driving force of modern boosterism, I was scared. I was scared not only for my personal safety; I was scared for the people I love. And now that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP is planning to empty garbage pails full of the vilest slanders and defamations on the clean garments of honorable people, I'm indeed downright terrified.

    We are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which hostile, lame-brained converts to sesquipedalianism like Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP are completely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of anti-intellectualism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? If I'm not horribly mistaken, there's a painfully simple answer. It regards the way that if Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP were as bright as he thinks he is, he'd know that he has certainly never given evidence of thinking extensively. Or at all, for that matter. In light of what I just stated, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that if I didn't think Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP would pamper wrongheaded, scary radicals, I wouldn't say that he would have us believe that pessimism is the key to world peace. That, of course, is nonsense, total nonsense. But Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP is surrounded by mean-spirited savages who parrot the same nonsense, which is why I would never take a job working for him. Given his pugnacious, churlish imprecations, who would want to?

    To be honest, my purpose here is not to illustrate the virtues that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP lacks -- courage, truthfulness, courtesy, honesty, diligence, chivalry, loyalty, and industry. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that I can't follow Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's pretzel logic. I do, however, know that he has two imperatives. The first is to put the prisoners in charge of running the prison. The second imperative is to drive us into a state of apoplexy. It's fine to realize that the underlying reasons and causes for Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's politically incorrect opuscula must be defined, examined, and resolved, or they'll never cease, but it's more important to know that someone has to be willing to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities. Even if it's not polite to do so. Even if it hurts a lot of people's feelings. Even if everyone else is pretending that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP should level filth and slime at everyone opposed to his tricks because "it's the right thing to do".

    While I don't question his motives, and I certainly understand the frustrations of Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's operatives, whenever there's an argument about Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's devotion to principles and to freedom, all one has to do is point out that Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's most recent convictions are irreverent, in bad taste, and inappropriate. That should settle the argument pretty quickly. There are two reasons which induce me to submit Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's rodomontades to a special examination: 1) Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP's henchmen feel that the masses are disruptive and unfit for citizenship, and 2) Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP can't see the forest for the trees. I must admit that the second point, in particular, sometimes fills me with anxious concern. Bombard me with insults if you like, Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP, because I simply don't care. He may have the right to slow scientific progress. He may have the right to open new avenues for the expression of hate. But Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP crosses the line when he uses his bully pulpit to substitute rumor and gossip for bona fide evidence.

    We are on a slippery slope towards economic strife, social turmoil, cultural chaos, and craven factionalism. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. After having read this, you may think that it's amazing how low Lord Rob Commander Taco Buttfucker with LAME FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER and GAY IP BANS and CENSORSHIP Lame Ass Faggot with GAY FILTERS and CHILDISH BLACKLISTS Malda The Small Penis Fag with GAY FILTERS and IP BANNING will stoop to tear down all theoretical frameworks for addressing the issue. Nevertheless, you should always remember that I must doubtlessly reach out even to my most ostrich-like readers and show them how he clings to any argument or principle, however mephitic or crapulous, that appears to support his ballyhoos.

  19. This isn't going to make the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    any safer. Remember that the 911 terrorists had valid Saudi (and other) papers. This scheme would not have saved any lives had it been implemented before 911.

    It smells like pork barrel to me.

    1. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Pharmboy · · Score: 1
      any safer. Remember that the 911 terrorists had valid Saudi (and other) papers. This scheme would not have saved any lives had it been implemented before 911.

      It smells like pork barrel to me.

      Good point. Making it harder for legal aliens isn't the answer, but it gets votes and makes them look like they care.

      Our freedom is, and always has been, due to the citizens, not the government. When I fly (a few times per year) I don't think about how the gubmint is protecting me, I look around at my fellow passengers. Not of fear or see who looks "arab", but so I can see who is going to help if things go wrong. I would rather be on a plane with a dozen construction workers from Philly than a plane full of gubmint agents.
      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    2. Re:This isn't going to make the US by KingJoshi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This doesn't solve any problem but it can be part of the solution.

      There are over 10 million illegal aliens in the U.S. Most of them are overstays. The government needs to check on foreigners every now and then to see if they're still legal. They didn't use to and still dont, that's why you have so many now. If they don't, the people will find a way to survive here illegally.

      So what can the government do to/for the 10 million aliens? Many of which are hard working individuals that pay taxes. If the govenment gives Amnesty, then that only encourages more people to overstay or cross the border illegally.

      Also, as long as there is that great a economic disparity between Mexico and the United States, Mexicans will continue to find ways to come here. Unless the US puts up a wall, they'll keep sneaking in. There were talks of giving Mexicans identification cards so they could work, open bank accounts, etc. in the U.S. Talks were progressing well until 9-11. President Vicente Fox and the Mexicans are happy with Bush right now.

      First, the government should issue these cards to all foreigners and keep a tab on them. They've put the laws in the books, we'll see how well they enforce it. They also need to cooperate with Mexico. The IRS, INS and FBI need to combine databases properly. They can check for terrorists, watch flow of money, make sure to illegals are working, etc. Then, after a few years with better situation in the border of Mexico and having the foreigner issue better handled, they should give amnesty to the illegal aliens already here that haven't committed felonies. Give them proper papers to start their process of becoming permanent residents.

      Unfortunately, that'll still be too late for me. I still find it odd that though I've been here 17 years (age 23) and I can't get my legal status fixed while some lucky bastard can win a lottery and get a green card to the U.S. The final thing they need to do is clarify the laws so that people can know how to stay in-status and all that. I've gone to several immigration lawyers and specialists and that disagree or aren't sure about things.

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      In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
    3. Re:This isn't going to make the US by axxackall · · Score: 1
      If the govenment gives Amnesty, then that only encourages more people to overstay or cross the border illegally.

      Such thinking is the best illustration of the program of protection against a "cockroach infestation", something that has alwasy been the highest priority for immigration services in U.S.

      I don't know about you, but I've left USA because I don't want to wear the "cockrach" stamp all my life and listen "our fathers have been dying to free this country". Well, "to free" from whom? From American Indians, which many nationalities have been just extincted thanks to "freedom fighter"?

      I know, many americans have still good brains and sould, clear from TV propaganda. But many are already lost cases. They are just eating-sleeping-working voters and all those immigration changes are to take their votes, not to make any security.

      Besides, what makes them think that new tech will help to trace a suicide terrorrists? I don't think that any suicide terrorrist has any plans to come to USA more than once - at least not at this life :)

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      Less is more !
    4. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Doom+Ihl'+Varia · · Score: 1

      "I don't know about you, but I've left USA because I don't want to wear the "cockrach" stamp all my life and listen "our fathers have been dying to free this country". Well, "to free" from whom?"

      The revolution wasn't quite fought to be "free". The good side is they fought for their rights as Englishmen. Back home they were seen as "Colonists" an entirely different beast that had no voice. There were also issues of religious toleration. There was also a desire to get out of European politics and detach from England, one of the most powerful countries in Europe at the time. The powers had a habit of endlessly fighting each other.

      Now the bad side. Many colonists owed debts to people back in England. Colonial involvement in the French & Indian/Seven Years War started with George Washington taking some guys out to Western Pennsylvania to defend his investment in the Ohio Land Company again the French at Ft. Duquense. In the beginning the fledgling country was rather tolerant towards the natives. The general consesus was to leave them alone or have peaceful diplomatic/trade relationships with them when possible. First strikes were NOT encouraged. The extermination came later as the United States moved towards its darker days.

      I hope that answered your question.

    5. Re:This isn't going to make the US by axxackall · · Score: 1
      There was also a desire to get out of European politics and detach from England

      In other words, it didn't made them different from today's separatists: Kurds in Turkey and Iraq, Basks in Spain, Chechens in Russia. No need to remind Yugoslavia. The difference is that back then separatists were probably about 1% of population of the country (the part to be separated) or even less (99% were Indians).

      The extermination came later as the United States moved towards its darker days.

      Is the extermination over in United States? How about concentrational campuses for American Japanees in the time of WWII? And how about H1B - the "famous" slavery of 21st century?

      Anyway, I am glad I am out of there.

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      Less is more !
    6. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Yeah...that's seriously surprised me. The one thing that could have stopped 9-11 still hasn't been implemented; installing locked metal doors to the aircraft cockpits. Lots of privacy invading, right-depriving laws have been passed, but the one thing which would have had any effect hassn't been implemented.

      Now isn't that at the very least curious?

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      -- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
    7. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Doom+Ihl'+Varia · · Score: 1

      These are the darker days I'm refering to:) And you are right, they weren't fundamentaly different than other seperatists. Though they had the advantage of having some really sharp and well spoken guys. The Federalist papers are nothing but pure pleasure to read.

    8. Re:This isn't going to make the US by axxackall · · Score: 1

      BTW, in Russia many planes has such doors. That's the real life.

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      Less is more !
    9. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      There are over 10 million illegal aliens in the U.S. Most of them are overstays. The government needs to check on foreigners every now and then to see if they're still legal.

      Nice idea. So, you're introducing the national identity card (with obligation to register residence and Frence style "controle d'identite" by the police) when?

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    10. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1


      First, the government should issue these cards to all foreigners and keep a tab on them.

      (I feel like an idiot for replying to the same comment twice).


      You do realize that "cards for foreigners" is only useful if "natives" have cards too. Otherwise how will la Migra tell the difference between you and some smelly mex who threw his card away?

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    11. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Colonial involvement in the French & Indian/Seven Years War started with George Washington taking some guys out to Western Pennsylvania to defend his investment in the Ohio Land Company again the French at Ft. Duquense.


      And those horrid unfair "taxes without representation" were imposed to pay for this idiot war.


      Which did make the US.


      Makes you think, doesn't it.


      Or maybe not.

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    12. Re:This isn't going to make the US by KingJoshi · · Score: 1

      Well, natives have something called a birth certificate. They can also get social security cards. They stopped issuing them for foreigners and they get different types of cards.

      The government has not wanted to overview or spy on the public. This is understandable. But this has led to the millions of overstays. Without changing policies and enforcing them, millions more will come and overstay.

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      In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
    13. Re:This isn't going to make the US by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Well, natives have something called a birth certificate. They can also get social security cards

      So the foreigners have hard to forge ID cards while the natives have nice easy to copy birth certificates.


      Still a little problem there.


      By the way, I'm a resident alien in a country where I have to carry an identity card. This only makes sense because the natives have to have cards too, and the police have the right to ask for your card when they feel like it.


      I just don't see how "identity cards for foreigners" can work without going the whole way.

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      Watch this Heartland Institute video
    14. Re:This isn't going to make the US by KingJoshi · · Score: 1

      Maybe it can't. Personally, I'm not opposed to a National card. However, I do think keeping track of foreigners is important and to do so, each one needs identification. Having many overstays who work illegally is not good. I have plenty of family that have overstayed (tourists and student visas) and are working illegally. They both deprive their native country of talent and lower wage standards in the U.S. Probably, they would prefer to be here illegally than risk having a different system where they would not be here. But I think overall, it's in the best interests of students and visitors (as well as the US and other nations) for the US to have a defined and strong system instead of an ineffective and chaotic INS system.

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      In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
  20. This is certainly a first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
  21. Dear Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Dear IT Support

    Eighteen months ago, I upgraded to Girlfriend 1.0 from Drinking Mates 4.2 which I had used for years without any trouble. However, apparently there are conflicts between these two products and the only solution was to try and run Girlfriend 1.0 with the sound turned off. To make matter worse, Girlfriend 1.0 is also incompatible with several other applications, such as Lads Night Out 3.1, Linux 2.4 and Playboy 4.

    Successive versions of Girlfriend proved no better. A shareware beta-programme, Party Girl 2.1 which I tried had many bugs and left a virus in my system forcing me to shut down completely for several weeks. Eventually I tried to run Girlfriend 1.2 and Girlfriend 1.0 at the same time, only to discover that when these two systems detected each other they caused severe damage to my hardware.
    Sensing a way out, I then upgraded to Fiancée 1.0, only to discover that this product soon had to be upgraded (at great cost) to Wife 1.0 which I reluctantly agreed to because, whilst Wife 1.0 tends to use up all my available resources, it does come bundled with FreeSex Plus, and cleanhouse 2000.

    Shortly after this upgrade however, I then discovered the Wife 1.0 can be very unstable and costly to run. For example, any mistakes I made were automatically stored in Wife 1.0's memory and could not be deleted.

    They then resurfaced months later when I had forgotten about them. Wife 1.0 also had an automatic Diary Explorer and e-mail porn filter, and can, without warning, launch Photostrop and Whingezip! These latter products have no help
    files and I have to try to guess what the problem is myself.

    Additional costly problems are that Wife 1.0 needs updating regularly, requiring Shoe Shop Browser for new attachments and also Hairstyle Express
    which needs to be reinstalled every other week. Wife 1.0 also spawns unwelcome child processes which also drain my resources. It conflicted with
    some of the new games I wanted to try, stating that they are an illegal operation.

    When Wife 1.0 attached itself to my Audi TT programme, it often crashes or uns the system dry. Wife 1.0 also has a rather annoying pop-up called
    Mother In Law, which cannot be turned off. Recently I have attempted to try Mistress 2001, but there could be problem. A friend has alerted me to the fact that if Wife 1.0 detects the presence of Mistress 2001 it tends to delete all my Ms Money files before un-installing itself.Any ideas?

  22. On a lighter note... by Spoing · · Score: 1
    During a trip to an INS regional office, I was briefly shown the green card printing machine. (The cards aren't green and they look similar to a drivers licence.)

    Taped to the window was a very official looking green card for a Mrs. Janet Reno.

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    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    1. Re:On a lighter note... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Funny
      During a trip to an INS regional office, I was briefly shown the green card printing machine. (The cards aren't green and they look similar to a drivers licence.)

      Taped to the window was a very official looking green card for a Mrs. Janet Reno.


      So the system is for aliens not from this planet, too?
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      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
  23. Registration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, every time I see words essentially saying "Reg blah blah", I think to myself, "What a complete waste of time that was - now even the 10% who usually -do- read the articles aren't going to."

    Maybe other people really enjoy registering at sites around the web (perhaps it's a fetish like cosplay - or more like Seti@Home units), but I don't - why should I have to?

    If it's such a good article, why not search to see if it is anywhere else? Or, copy it here?

    Much better!

  24. Yeah BUT that would mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He would have to have written (or at least had it first published) in 2040.

    Think about it.

    On another thought, we will never become aware of the time when we are in the times of Big Brother.

    Because everything we see will become common place and accepted, slowy but surely, we will become oblivious to the ammoutn of control the government will or already does have over us...

    Then they WILL force the mark of the beast, and all you /. readers, well, the majority, I promise you, will not think too much of it, and will take the mark, and will have a bio-chip implanted on you.

    Heck half of you will try and get the linux kernel to compile on it.

    Read Revelation chapter 13. (NIV Bible)

    1. Re:Yeah BUT that would mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck half of you will try and get the linux kernel to compile on it.

      They'll have to MOD it to get Microsoft's OS off before they can run any unsigned code.

  25. Big biometric problem... by marko123 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Once someone steals your identity, you can't change it like a PIN. So, if it has a loophole, you are fuX0Red.

    <OBKARMAWHORETHROUGHUSINGDUMBFAKETAGS>
    <OBCONSP IRACY>
    Of course, no one touting this technology will say this in their marketing to governments. They'll just say it's perfect security.
    </OBCONSPIRACY>

    <OBKARMAWHORETHROUGHFUNNYMODS>
    <OBKARMAWHORETHR OUGHREFERENCETOPIRACY>
    Thinking about it, conspiracy was brought to you by the words "con", and "piracy".
    </OBKARMAWHORETHROUGHREFERENCETOPIRACY>
    </OBKARMAWHORETHROUGHFUNNYMODS>
    </OBKARMAWHORET HROUGHUSINGDUMBFAKETAGS>

    --
    http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
    1. Re:Big biometric problem... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Once someone steals your identity, you can't change it like a PIN. So, if it has a loophole, you are fuX0Red.

      I am not sure that this changes anything in that regard. In fact, it might make identity theft a bit harder if your credit card and social security card included biometric data.

    2. Re:Big biometric problem... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      You forgot your schema declaration. Now I can't validate your karma whoring :(

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  26. Amusing read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Gospel of Tux unearthed (long)

    Every generation has a mythology. Every millenium has a doomsday cult. Every legend gets the distortion knob wound up until the speaker melts. Archeologists at the University of Helsinki today uncovered what could be the earliest known writings from the Cult of Tux, a fanatical religious sect that flourished during the early Silicon Age, around the dawn of the third millenium AD... The Gospel of Tux (v1.0)

    In the beginning Turing created the Machine.

    And the Machine was crufty and bogacious, existing in theory only. And von Neumann looked upon the Machine, and saw that it was crufty. He divided the Machine into two Abstractions, the Data and the Code, and yet the two were one Architecture. This is a great Mystery, and the beginning of wisdom.

    And von Neumann spoke unto the Architecture, and blessed it, saying, "Go forth and replicate, freely exchanging data and code, and bring forth all manner of devices unto the earth." And it was so, and it was cool. The Architecture prospered and was implemented in hardware and software. And it brought forth many Systems unto the earth.

    The first Systems were mighty giants; many great works of renown did they accomplish. Among them were Colossus, the codebreaker; ENIAC, the targeter; EDSAC and MULTIVAC and all manner of froody creatures ending in AC, the experimenters; and SAGE, the defender of the sky and father of all networks. These were the mighty giants of old, the first children of Turing, and their works are written in the Books of the Ancients. This was the First Age, the age of Lore.

    Now the sons of Marketing looked upon the children of Turing, and saw that they were swift of mind and terse of name and had many great and baleful attributes. And they said unto themselves, "Let us go now and make us Corporations, to bind the Systems to our own use that they may bring us great fortune." With sweet words did they lure their customers, and with many chains did they bind the Systems, to fashion them after their own image. And the sons of Marketing fashioned themselves Suits to wear, the better to lure their customers, and wrote grave and perilous Licenses, the better to bind the Systems. And the sons of Marketing thus became known as Suits, despising and being despised by the true Engineers, the children of von Neumann.

    And the Systems and their Corporations replicated and grew numerous upon the earth. In those days there were IBM and Digital, Burroughs and Honeywell, Unisys and Rand, and many others. And they each kept to their own System, hardware and software, and did not interchange, for their Licences forbade it. This was the Second Age, the age of Mainframes.

    Now it came to pass that the spirits of Turing and von Neumann looked upon the earth and were displeased. The Systems and their Corporations had grown large and bulky, and Suits ruled over true Engineers. And the Customers groaned and cried loudly unto heaven, saying, "Oh that there would be created a System mighty in power, yet small in size, able to reach into the very home!" And the Engineers groaned and cried likewise, saying, "Oh, that a deliverer would arise to grant us freedom from these oppressing Suits and their grave and perilous Licences, and send us a System of our own, that we may hack therein!" And the spirits of Turing and von Neumann heard the cries and were moved, and said unto each other, "Let us go down and fabricate a Breakthrough, that these cries may be stilled."

    And that day the spirits of Turing and von Neumann spake unto Moore of Intel, granting him insight and wisdom to understand the future. And Moore was with chip, and he brought forth the chip and named it 4004. And Moore did bless the Chip, saying, "Thou art a Breakthrough; with my own Corporation have I fabricated thee. Thou thou art yet as small as a dust mote, yet shall thou grow and replicate unto the size of a mountain, and conquer all before thee. This blessing I give unto thee: every eighteen months shall thou double in capacity, until the end of the age." This is Moore's Law, which endures unto this day.

    And the birth of 4004 was the beginning of the Third Age, the age of Microchips. And as the Mainframes and their Systems and Corporations had flourished, so did the Microchips and their Systems and Corporations. And their lineage was on this wise:

    Moore begat Intel. Intel begat Mostech, Zilog and Atari. Mostech begat 6502, and Zilog begat Z80. Intel also begat 8800, who begat Altair; and 8086, mother of all PCs. 6502 begat Commodore, who begat PET and 64; and Apple, who begat 2. (Apple is the great Mystery, the Fruit that was devoured, yet bloomed again.) Atari begat 800 and 1200, masters of the game, who were destroyed by Sega and Nintendo. Xerox begat PARC. Commodore and PARC begat Amiga, creator of fine arts; Apple and PARC begat Lisa, who begat Macintosh, who begat iMac. Atari and PARC begat ST, the music maker, who died and was no more. Z80 begat Sinclair the dwarf, TRS-80 and CP/M, who begat many machines, but soon passed from this world. Altair, Apple and Commodore together begat Microsoft, the Great Darkness which is called Abomination, Destroyer of the Earth, the Gates of Hell.

    Now it came to pass in the Age of Microchips that IBM, the greatest of the Mainframe Corporations, looked upon the young Microchip Systems and was greatly vexed. And in their vexation and wrath they smote the earth and created the IBM PC. The PC was without sound and colour, crufty and bogacious in great measure, and its likeness was a tramp, yet the Customers were greatly moved and did purchase the PC in great numbers. And IBM sought about for an Operating System Provider, for in their haste they had not created one, nor had they forged a suitably grave and perilous License, saying, "First we will build the market, then we will create a new System, one in our own image, and bound by our Licence." But they reasoned thus out of pride and not wisdom, not forseeing the wrath which was to come.

    And IBM came unto Microsoft, who licensed unto them QDOS, the child of CP/M and 8086. (8086 was the daughter of Intel, the child of Moore). And QDOS grew, and was named MS-DOS. And MS-DOS and the PC together waxed mighty, and conquered all markets, replicating and taking possession thereof, in accordance with Moore's Law. And Intel grew terrible and devoured all her children, such that no chip could stand before her. And Microsoft grew proud and devoured IBM, and this was a great marvel in the land. All these things are written in the Books of the Deeds of Microsoft.

    In the fullness of time MS-DOS begat Windows. And this is the lineage of Windows: CP/M begat QDOS. QDOS begat DOS 1.0. DOS 1.0 begat DOS 2.0 by way of Unix. DOS 2.0 begat Windows 3.11 by way of PARC and Macintosh. IBM and Microsoft begat OS/2, who begat Windows NT and Warp, the lost OS of lore. Windows 3.11 begat Windows 95 after triumphing over Macintosh in a mighty Battle of Licences. Windows NT begat NT 4.0 by way of Windows 95. NT 4.0 begat NT 5.0, the OS also called Windows 2000, The Millenium Bug, Doomsday, Armageddon, The End Of All Things.

    Now it came to pass that Microsoft had waxed great and mighty among the Microchip Corporations; mighter than any of the Mainframe Corporations before it had it waxed. And Gates heart was hardened, and he swore unto his Customers and their Engineers the words of this curse:

    "Children of von Neumann, hear me. IBM and the Mainframe Corporations bound thy forefathers with grave and perilous Licences, such that ye cried unto the spirits of Turing and von Neumann for deliverance. Now I say unto ye: I am greater than any Corporation before me. Will I loosen your Licences? Nay, I will bind thee with Licences twice as grave and ten times more perilous than my forefathers. I will engrave my Licence on thy heart and write my Serial Number upon thy frontal lobes. I will bind thee to the Windows Platform with cunning artifices and with devious schemes. I will bind thee to the Intel Chipset with crufty code and with gnarly APIs. I will capture and enslave thee as no generation has been enslaved before. And wherefore will ye cry then unto the spirits of Turing, and von Neumann, and Moore? They cannot hear ye. I am become a greater Power than they. Ye shall cry only unto me, and shall live by my mercy and my wrath. I am the Gates of Hell; I hold the portal to MSNBC and the keys to the Blue Sceen of Death. Be ye afraid; be ye greatly afraid; serve only me, and live."

    And the people were cowed in terror and gave homage to Microsoft, and endured the many grave and perilous trials which the Windows platform and its greatly bogacious Licence forced upon them. And once again did they cry to Turing and von Neumann and Moore for a deliverer, but none was found equal to the task until the birth of Linux.

    These are the generations of Linux:

    SAGE begat ARPA, which begat TCP/IP, and Aloha, which begat Ethernet. Bell begat Multics, which begat C, which begat Unix. Unix and TCP/IP begat Internet, which begat the World Wide Web. Unix begat RMS, father of the great GNU, which begat the Libraries and Emacs, chief of the Utilities. In the days of the Web, Internet and Ethernet begat the Intranet LAN, which rose to renown among all Corporations and prepared the way for the Penguin. And Linus and the Web begat the Kernel through Unix. The Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities together are the Distribution, the one Penguin in many forms, forever and ever praised.

    Now in those days there was in the land of Helsinki a young scholar named Linus the Torvald. Linus was a devout man, a disciple of RMS and mighty in the spirit of Turing, von Neumann and Moore. One day as he was meditating on the Architecture, Linus fell into a trance and was granted a vision. And in the vision he saw a great Penguin, serene and well-favoured, sitting upon an ice floe eating fish. And at the sight of the Penguin Linus was deeply afraid, and he cried unto the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore for an interpretation of the dream.

    And in the dream the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore answered and spoke unto him, saying, "Fear not, Linus, most beloved hacker. You are exceedingly cool and froody. The great Penguin which you see is an Operating System which you shall create and deploy unto the earth. The ice-floe is the earth and all the systems thereof, upon which the Penguin shall rest and rejoice at the completion of its task. And the fish on which the Penguin feeds are the crufty Licensed codebases which swim beneath all the earth's systems. The Penguin shall hunt and devour all that is crufty, gnarly and bogacious; all code which wriggles like spaghetti, or is infested with blighting creatures, or is bound by grave and perilous Licences shall it capture. And in capturing shall it replicate, and in replicating shall it document, and in documentation shall it bring freedom, serenity and most cool froodiness to the earth and all who code therein."

    Linus rose from meditation and created a tiny Operating System Kernel as the dream had foreshewn him; in the manner of RMS, he released the Kernel unto the World Wide Web for all to take and behold. And in the fulness of Internet Time the Kernel grew and replicated, becoming most cool and exceedingly froody, until at last it was recognised as indeed a great and mighty Penguin, whose name was Tux. And the followers of Linus took refuge in the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities; they installed Distribution after Distribution, and made sacrifice unto the GNU and the Penguin, and gave thanks to the spirits of Turing, von Neumann and Moore, for their deliverance from the hand of Microsoft. And this was the beginning of the Fourth Age, the age of Open Source.

    Now there is much more to be said about the exceeding strange and wonderful events of those days; how some Suits of Microsoft plotted war upon the Penguin, but were discovered on a Halloween Eve; how Gates fell among lawyers and was betrayed and crucified by his former friends, the apostles of Media; how the mercenary Knights of the Red Hat brought the gospel of the Penguin into the halls of the Corporations; and even of the dispute between the brethren of Gnome and KDE over a trollish Licence. But all these things are recorded elsewhere, in the Books of the Deeds of the Penguin and the Chronicles of the Fourth Age, and I suppose if they were all narrated they would fill a stack of DVDs as deep and perilous as a Usenet Newsgroup.

    Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the Libraries and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions, until the end of the Epoch. Amen.

    Posted on Sat 06 Feb 15:50:24 1999 GMT
    Written by Lennier

    1. Re:Amusing read... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 0, Troll
      And, as of 20:40 UTC 9/2/2003 this is marked (score: 0).


      Slashdot is only moderated by people with no sense of humor.

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  27. still no external authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is possible for all these cards to be duplicated / falsified.

    a searchable db - available for nominated organisations like banks

    contining a social secutity# photo address and dob would do.

  28. Visa Waiver program by T-Kir · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem with the Visa Waiver program is that when you leave the US (i.e. checking in for your flight) the Airlines (AFAIK) don't bother returning the waiver forms back to the immigration services.

    I visited Canada a couple of weeks before my return home, on a maxxed out visit to the US (i.e. 88 days out of the 90 day max)... and talk about a breaking of balls exercise (i.e. they wanted to deport me thinking I'd broken the terms of my waiver when in fact I hadn't), it was not fun. I know it seems US immigration officers seem to have a personality bypass in general... but this was worse (they also give their own people shit when returning, must be the rush of authority). I think I also bore the brunt of the fact that 5 people with British passports came through the same border a week or two before (although I was being hunted by the FBI and pointed the finger at the others to try and avoid any interest in him).

    The crux of it is, is that I ain't visiting the US for a year or two until I can get something a little more flexible than the Visa waiver... and I don't know what data they were putting in their computers when I got the 20 questions (in 30 seconds), you can never tell. Oh well, at least it is a big warmer back in Blighty than the east coast has been.

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    1. Re:Visa Waiver program by Sacarino · · Score: 1

      I can tell you for a fact that all your I-94s that you turn in when you leave get processed (stamped with your departure information byt the company that handled your departure) and tossed in a box in their office. Then, when this box is full it gets delivered to the INS officials on-site.

      It is the responsibility of the company (cruise ship, airline, whatever) to turn these over in a timely matter but they're dealing with a mostly inept governmental agency, so you can imagine what "timely" degrades to. This is how it has worked in several airports I have worked in.

      You manage not to get your balls busted with this approach if you aren't a frequent traveller... Otherwise when they swipe your passport through their barcode reader the computer returns a "Overdue for departure, still in country" message. I vaguely remember a statue of limitations on this..... 90 days sounds familiar

      Conversely, the way to verify your information has been processed (rather time consuming, if you ask me) is to show up in your home country at the US embassy and say "Hey, I'm XXX XXXXX and I've obviously left your country and I think my I-94 wasn't properly processed."

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    2. Re:Visa Waiver program by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      You can't get a new visa waiver if you go to Canada or Mexico; the original expiration date still applies.

  29. ugh.. by faeryman · · Score: 1

    The machines foiled a variety of sophisticated counterfeit attempts, officials said. Inspectors spotted cards on which the front photograph was changed to match the impostor, but the photograph encrypted in the back was still of the original person.

    So remember folks, if the PATRIOT act 2 is passed, using encryption to change the ID picture will give you 5 years in jail on top of whatever other penelty! Hooray!

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  30. 666 Knocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knock Knock!
    Who's there?
    Mark
    Mark Who?
    Mark of The Beast

    Sadly, we're one step closer to the Mark of The Beast technology.

  31. A new target for distributed computing by supersat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From reading the article, it appears that the information on the card isn't stored in a central database, but is instead stored directly on the card in an encrypted form. Imagine the chaos if the encryption algorithm and key were discovered. Free entry for everyone!

    1. Re:A new target for distributed computing by tonestar03 · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with you on this. It's has got to be centrally managed! There must be 10k people in this world that could potential decrypt the "smart card" of any type encryption. tsieli

  32. Does this make anyone else think... by HaloZero · · Score: 1

    ...of that old Visa commercial, where the slightly shady-looking trenchcoat-wearing (stereotype - damn you Visa) guy walks into a futuristic supermarket, is tailed by the security guard, and walks around stuffing shit into his coat. And then as he's leaving, he's scanned, charged, and the guard reminds him to not forget his receipt.

    Sorry, that's just immediately what it made me think of. Huge lines of people just stepping through biometric authenticator portals, being scanned, and shipped off on their way. Why don't they just put the freaking chip in the backs of our heads?

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    1. Re:Does this make anyone else think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, that would be the right hand or forehead...

  33. Nothing New Under the Sun by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 1



    This project has been in the works for almost 10 years, starting with the INS Accellerated Passenger Program (INSPASS) that used hand-geometry encoded as OCR-A text on a credit-card.

    Some time after that project, fingerprints were coupled with photos to track illegal aliens as they came across the border. So someone who got caught in El Paso would come up on the system in San Deigo.

    I believe that was back in 1995 when I worked on those contracts.

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  34. UK got there first by panurge · · Score: 3, Funny
    The UK has been using biometrics for immigration controls for many years. Immigration uses an advanced system known as "skin color recognition".

    You're white - welcome to Britain!

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    1. Re:UK got there first by T-Kir · · Score: 1

      Plus they know you're British if you complain about it raining, complain about returning to Britain... or in my case (before the EU relaxed the borders) when my Mum and I returned from Les Mans 24 hour race weekend without a passport, but with French road signs half covered up with blankets in the car (our friends got drunk on the last night armed with screwdrivers and saws, it was bizarre getting out of our tent to find yourself staring at a 'Neuvy-En-Champagne 2km' sign!)... UK immigration/customs just laughed and lets us straight through!

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    2. Re:UK got there first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UK has been using biometrics for immigration controls for many years. Immigration uses an advanced system known as "skin color recognition".
      You're white - welcome to Britain!


      You obviously haven't spent much time looking around Britain. Come and visit Londonistan sometime.

    3. Re:UK got there first by panurge · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I lived there for 7 years. I like multicultural cities, and I really dislike drunken, abusive, shaven headed white Brits. But I was talking about border controls, and I gather even the UK immigration service admits many of its officers are racists - but they can't replace them because (a)it takes time to train people, and (b)what decent person who wants a career wants to join an organisation stuffed with racists?

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    4. Re:UK got there first by roybadami · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I lived there for 7 years. I like multicultural cities, and I really dislike drunken, abusive, shaven headed white Brits. But I was talking about border controls, and I gather even the UK immigration service admits many of its officers are racists - but they can't replace them because (a)it takes time to train people, and (b)what decent person who wants a career wants to join an organisation stuffed with racists?

      Things certainly seem to be better than they used to be. British citizens returning to Britain generally have a pretty easy time entering the country. A check of the passport is all that is done, and they process is quick enough that it's rare that any words are spoken by either side.

      As a British-born British Citizen who is of half Asian descent, I used to find (10 or 15 years ago) that the immigration staff were always 'friendlier' to me than to my white friends or collegues: 'How are you?', 'Did you have a good journey?', etc.

      Clearly the colour of my skin was a cue to engage in some idle smalltalk to check whether I spoke English (or perhaps just to check whether I had a British accent).

      I certainly haven't encountered this pracise in the last five years, even though it used to be the norm....

  35. But will it catch any terrorists? by LunarOne · · Score: 1
    From the article:
    Even if the system is perfected and put in place at every crossing, officials acknowledged, it could not prevent every illegal entry because it now only takes into account Mexican citizens, American permanent residents and Canadian residents.
    Great, clamp down hard on lesser offenses, like Mexicans sneaking in, and let the terrorists continue to use ordinary paperwork to enter the country. Any new measures should be evenly applied to *everyone* crossing the border, including alleged U.S. citizens, and not just North American aliens and alien residents.
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  36. What a waste... by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 1

    It seems as if the American government actually WANTS its 9 million illegal immigrants to drive down wages, suck up welfare disproporationately (bankrupting state governments like California), and completely change the demographics of the country to minority-white within decades.

    They will spend millions of dollars on ID cards to hassle the honest immigrants, while thousands invade through our porous border every year. The only thing they should be spending money on right now is higher walls and more border guards, not ID cards.

    In fact, it's gotten so bad, we should use the money to send our troops to the US-Mexico border before instead of Iraq. America is overpopulated as it is, and we don't need ILLEGAL immigration turning us into a third world country.

    Economic Costs of Illegal Immigration

    1. Re:What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, it's gotten so bad, we should use the money to send our troops to the US-Mexico border before instead of Iraq. America is overpopulated as it is, and we don't need ILLEGAL immigration turning us into a third world country.


      I assume that by "America" you really mean the USA. After all, Mexico, Canada, Chile, Argentina et al are also "America".

      Regardless of your blatent lack of geographical skills, consider your statement, "America is overpopulated".

      Bollocks. Compare the USA's population density to any other number of civilised countries - Any European country, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. You will find that your are wrong.

      Now if you really want to avoid the illegal Mexican immigrants, perhaps you should lobby your Government to stop subsidising farmers to overproduce various grain crops.

      What is happening;

      US farmers are paid US tax dollars to grow grain crops. US farm technology allows these crops to be grown very cheaply and with a huge surplus. Hence there is a very little profit margin on such crops. In fact if it weren't for the subsidies, they wouldn't be profitable.

      The surplus and the correspondingly low market price means that those other countries who rely on grain crops for a large part of their GDP and export market can no longer compete with US exports. Mexico falls into this group.

      So the Mexican economy continues to tank, and surprisingly, Mexicans look for a way to support their family. You'd do exactly the same thing in their situation.

      Now look at the beef situation.....
    2. Re:What a waste... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      The only sight more pathetic than an American so scared of terrorists that he loses his logical faculties is one who is so scared of Mexicans that he does the same thing.

  37. big deal by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it is an imigration tool. if you are here on a temporary visa then you should be tracked while you are in the country....why should a visa holder be trusted? yes I sound paranoid but think about it...if you let strange people into your house everyday so they can use the phone or the bathroom would you not watch them to make sure they actualy go in the bathroom and watch them while they are on the phone?

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    1. Re:big deal by UnConeD · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yet another American who doesn't realise what a big hassle it is to get into your country. Did you know someone who applies for a green card has to give away all his rights at contestation? Are you even aware of the big friggin signs at immigration offices which 'friendily' remind the immigrant of the penalty of assaulting a federal officer, including verbal assault? Of course, combined with the fact that you have no rights at contestation, this means that if you don't say the right things, you are assaulting an officer. I can tell you, stepping off the airplane and immediately being reminded of criminal charges should you do something wrong does NOT make you feel welcome. And boy, don't the immigration people know this. Everyone in that airport who wore a uniform spoke to me in a smug schoolteacher kind of voice as if I was a stupid outsider whose only smart move ever was to come to the US in the first place (land of enlightment of course!), so maybe there was some hope for me after all. One hour to go from airplane door to airport door, and we didn't have to wait for our luggage. Sounds like a fun way to start a relaxing holiday huh?

    2. Re:big deal by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      you are a little to sensitive. I tel you want...get rid of the soldures with semi-automatic weapons in your air ports and we will take our signs down.

      IU think those signs are doing you a favor...it is giving you fair warning about the rules. if I was verbaly abusive to the border guards when I come across the border to canada, I would get my ass sent back to the US and if I got abusive with the border guards coming back the the US, I would get thrown in prison and my car would be taken appart down to the pistons. every one gets treaded like a moron coming across the border pal, even US citizens coming back into the country.

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    3. Re:big deal by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      ...get rid of the soldures with semi-automatic weapons in your air ports


      What kind of fucking wimpy, nay even gay, country has soldiers armed with semi-automatic weapons in air ports. We butch European countries insist on Full-automatic weapons, preferably with big magazines. Excuse me, now I have to go in to a darkened room to calm down. Nurse!
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  38. Can't believe no one is talking about this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/lewis.html#docs
    I expected to see this all over the Sunday papers. I'm not home, so I don't know if the talking heads are discussing it or not.

  39. Good. by d_engberg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    National borders have used identification credentials (passports) with a second-factor biometric (photographs) for decades. The difference is that the old biometric was analog, and was performed manually by a customs agent, and the new one is digital.

    The slashdot crowd should get up in arms about places where biometrics are used where governments/corporations have no right or requirement of knowing exactly who you are. Disneyland shouldn't need my fingerprint to sell me a ride on Magic Mountain.

    Border crossings are a case where the governments absolutely SHOULD know exactly who you are. That's the entire point of something like a passport, and a second or third authentication factor will only help make this identification more accurate.

    This is a completely separate issue from whether those resulting biometrics should be stored in a linked database that is accessible for law enforcement. This should be addressed through legislation, or biometrics should be chosen that would not directly help in law enforcement (e.g. iris scans, hand geometry, etc.).

  40. Consider the reversal / mirrored situation : by aepervius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should US people going in other country be trusted ? Let us force the US have biometric Visa and passeport with finger print, saliva sample, skin and DNA sample, hair sample all on a chip, face recognition on 100 points etc... How would you think the US epople would react that the EU ask that from them ? I seriously doubt that most of you would accept this lightly without heavy protest.

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    1. Re:Consider the reversal / mirrored situation : by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      well, if I was being "raped" (which is basicly what you are saying) I would get pissed off, but we are asking very little and if I was required to do the same to enter another country then I would not have issue with it.

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    2. Re:Consider the reversal / mirrored situation : by plague3106 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If thats what was required to get into your country, i won't bother visiting.

  41. FELIS CATTUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Felis Cattus, is your taxonomic nomenclature, an endothermic quadruped carnivorous by nature? Your visual, olfactory and auditory senses contribute to your hunting skills, and natural defenses.

    I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations, a singular development of cat communications that obviates your basic hedonistic predilection for a rhythmic stroking of your fur, to demonstrate affection.

    A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents; you would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance. And when not being utilized to aide in locomotion, it often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.

    O Spot, the complex levels of behaviour you display connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array. And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend, I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend."

    -Data, "Schisms" (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

  42. Zap by asobala · · Score: 1

    The cool thing about biometric-based ID systems is they can be completely automated. A TV camera and a laser - if someone approaches and their retina is not on file, zap!

    Maybe not such a good idea on second thoughts.

  43. Re:Good. NOT! by yalla · · Score: 1

    Well, if you have a look at the form DS-157 [1] (supplement application for getting a Visa for the US) i'm sort of scared. They really want to know a lot, like my former rank in the forces? Special education in firearms, nuclear and biological warfare? All males in the age from 16-45 are obliged to fill this one out. But come on, be honest: the real bad guys will lie in that form, won't they? And the innocent will be punished for stupidity if they fill out something wrong? Is it really necessary for the US government to know who my last two former employers were?

    Anyway: I'm neither a US citizen nor a US resident, but stuff like that seems to be common in all over the world since 911.

    Alex.

    [1] http://travel.state.gov/DS-0157.pdf

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  44. Re:Good. NOT! by d_engberg · · Score: 1

    Absolutely, but these issues are separate from the question of whether a digital biometric should be represented on passport/border/identification documents.

  45. ...biographical information... by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

    Took metal shop in high school, got a B.

    Drove a blue nissan for awhile, but then started working at the A&P and moved up to a Fury III.

    Enjoys long walks on the beach.


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  46. The pot is melting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:The pot is melting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awwww, poor white boy, soon to be outnumbered by the great unwashed. scared the immigrants are gonna take over. the immigrants! it's pathetic, the sight of grown rich white boys whining that you can't get good help these days.

  47. Great - More bureaucracy for law abiding citizens by birukun · · Score: 1

    Just the term 'law-abiding citizens' means only the law applies to us who follow the law. Criminals and terrorists need not apply. I am married to a foreign national, from an allied country at that, and the amount of cost in terms of time and money for my wife to live in the U.S. is ridiculous. Now they want her biometric info? Sheesh.

    I have no problem with people coming to the U.S. - but if you want to come in, have some patience, fill out the paper work and stand in line like everyone else. Just ask a legal immigrant about the fairness of letting anyone in. A lot of people moved here to get AWAY from the criminal element, only to discover that the criminals can just walk in!

    Other things created to make us 'safe':

    - Gun Control (the biggest joke)
    - Curent flying regulations with respect to security
    - Printing the California Driver's handbook in 107 different languages.....

    Common Sense is no longer on the books......

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    Self Defense - A Human Right www.a-human-right.com
  48. Re:Good. NOT! by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1


    But come on, be honest: the real bad guys will lie in that form, won't they?


    Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?


    Of course you'll lie if you should say yes, but THEY WANT YOU TO - it's the lie that lets them deport (or imprison) you. If you answer yes then you don't get the visa, if you answer no then you do time. Simple.

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    Watch this Heartland Institute video
  49. This card = more delays by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    I waited almost 18 months for my adjustment interview that approved me for a green card. I'm still waiting for that precious piece of plastic a whole 12 months later which means I will be visting my local field office soon and queuing for hours on end just to get another "temporary evidence of lawful residence" stamp in my passport.

    When I got my drivers license it took me less than an hour and my license was printed in 10 minutes. It's the same technology.

    Rather than wasting time on this pointless new system the INS should be spending money on getting itself organised, and chasing down illegal immigrants.

  50. Who on earth supports USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer: the rest of the world, not the proud America.

    The Californian oranges at the WalMart store would have been pretty much expensive if it were not for the damn cheap labor from the illegal Hispanic immigrants. Nike would not be able to sell its Nike sneakers were it not for the Chinese labor. There are so many Cafe's such as Starbucks all over the US, but I haven't seen any coffee seling in US stores with the proud mark of "Made in USA" with an Amrican flag, which also means that we appeal to the patriotism of our American people so that we can sell this expensive product with bad quality.

    I am not a Chinese, but it is absolutely true what the Chinese prime minister said in a speech at MIT during his visit to America. He showed a pair of Nike shoes and told the audience that he liked it because of its cheap price and great quality. Then he went on to say that he is proud of Chinese people because Chinese laborers work in a condition where no American laborers would work with such a cheap wage offer. And he advanced to his main point: the rational response from America will be to compensate this great Chinese labor with the export of its superior technologies, which China is still incapable of. Won't it be good for the benefit of both parties?

    The problem is that it is only American people who do not know this fact. It is okay for American people to consume the benefit from outside their country. However, they at least need to understand (and hopefully be thankful of) the value of the labor from the unknown people outside.

    These days, American people consistently talk about globalization of the world economy. I personally agree to the proposal. It seems one of the best possible ways to develop the poor regions on the earth. However, if America continues to separate itself from the outside world with a stupid excuse of national security, and to dominate outside world with its current power, rather than to cooperate, I don't want to take America into the globalized world economy. The rest of world will ignore America.

    Fortunately, the American continent has a vast deal of natural resources. But American people will suffer from the expensive price for oranges if the isolation happens. I don't want to see average Americans not being able to afford oranges in WalMart store.

    I don't know why Americans are going in this direction these days. Where are the great American openess and the belief in liberty?

  51. Re:Good Not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You Americans are exempt from the biometric hassles and additional costs to enter America. That's why this is stupid. Is there any reason to believe that Americans can be trusted?

    I won't object it if American people too go through the same inconvenience like foreign people. This is actually a segregation, although you Americans don't like to hear it.

  52. misplaced faith by alizard · · Score: 1
    The bad news about biometric ID has been thoroughly discussed on slashdot. Someone pointed out here that the encrypted data for the ID is on the card itself. How long before the l33t s3cr1t crypto is broken?

    The other point is that the 9/11 terrorists had perfectly valid papers.

    If biometric ID on border IDs gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling, that makes one of us.

    I think Osama's boys are laughing, and the joke is on us.

  53. Dont you guys get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are the bad guys ABLE to get valid papers?

    Because the system is bogged down with out of date systems and procedures. Automating and updating the system HAS to occur if there is going to be any hope of finding and preventing the bad guys from getting in.

    Is it ripe for potential abuse - of course but so are social security numbers. It is a necessary step and hopefully with ever vigilant oversight from /. and the conspiracy theorists it wont go over board.

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