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Mining Asteroids@Home

An anonymous reader writes "Like the lively discussion on mediation strategies for exterminating asteroids, a six-person expert panel is debating today whether humans exist because of big collisions or in spite of them. Interestingly Mexico's oil (and most of the rest of the world's resources) seem to have arisen from later mining of these byproducts: the luck of geography or the price at the pump for dead dinosaurs."

110 comments

  1. Has been cancelled by QEDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    The discussion has been cancelled after a meteor crashed into the 6 panelists hotel...

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    1. Re:Has been cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Links please?

    2. Re:Has been cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that asteroid crashed right into your sense of humor.

    3. Re:Has been cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt we'll get much oil out of it.

    4. Re:Has been cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your penis was cancelled

    5. Re:Has been cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary. I'd bet there would be tons of oil on the average pimple faced slashdot reader. Don't forget to mine that oily hair as well.

    6. Re:Has been cancelled by Rxke · · Score: 1

      best thing they could to do, considering it was OLD news: the article starts like: Blah blah blah... 4.6 MILLION YEARS AGO... blah blah blah . Boy, and I thought /. was famous for posting recent stuff????

  2. Lets not rock the boat by EMiniShark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Regardless of whether we exist because of asteroid collisions, I'd rather not give space the chance to reinvent the planet again :)

  3. I used to mine at home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the mess was so big, and it was really difficult to clean up. Plus, I kept having to buy new carpet.

  4. Asteroid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Debate all you want about whether asteroids have caused good in the past... when one comes towards Earth there won't be much good about to say about the impact.

    Unless an asteroid destroying half of the Earth sounds good to you...

    at least all the worries of today would seem meaningless...

    1. Re:Asteroid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends what half, if it destroys the bit in the middle, leaving just a donut shape, I'll be up for it. Imagine the views, imagine the natural joy rides, imagine the kudos.

    2. Re:Asteroid by KilerCris · · Score: 1

      Depends which half....just off the top of my head I can think of a few people we could do without...

    3. Re:Asteroid by myom · · Score: 1

      Aye to that, but we could spare the Canadians, they are OK.

    4. Re:Asteroid by Ursa+Major · · Score: 1

      Debate all you want about whether asteroids have caused good in the past... when one comes towards Earth there won't be much good about to say about the impact.

      At least there will be a lot fewer lawyers collecting fees from the resulting class action suit about the lack of celestial disclosure of the full risks of living in our universe.

      at least all the worries of today would seem meaningless...

      Um, I worry about asteroids today, or more to the point I worry about our overall lack of action in detection of asteroids and creating effective means of stopping asteriod earth matings.

  5. At home ? They'll sue you know.. by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Funny


    I can just see the adverts now

    "Did you read an article that encouraged you to mine asteroids in your own home? Did you drag an asteroid out of orbit, or drive to a place in order to catch one, did this vapourise you, your loved ones and most of the state ? Here a Sue, Grabbit and Runne Associates we specialise in extra orbital and terrestrial accidents. Last year we helped Bob who strapped himself to 10,000 fireworks to get into space, Bob sadly died but were helped his widow sue Nasa for 100,000,000 dollars. Phone us now and we'll help you get over your stupidity"

    (quick voice over)
    "ActualAmountMayNotBeAsAdvertisedHereLevelO fClaimI sNotIndicativeOfAwardChargesApplyAndWeOnlyAcceptSt upidPeopleWhoDon'tReadInvoices"

    Your just building yourself a litigation hell Slashdot.

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  6. Big collisions exist because of humans by leonbrooks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stands to reason - we destroy practically everything else, it must be the Universe's way of protecting itself against us.

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    1. Re:Big collisions exist because of humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The problem is... we don't pose a threat to the UNIVERSE... at least not yet...

      sure we have fscked up the Earth almost to the point of no return, but thats such a small ripple in the big picture, no?

    2. Re:Big collisions exist because of humans by op51n · · Score: 1

      "Why does it have to be such a big deal? Why can't it be like, like Human Beings are a planetary disease. Like the Earth's got German Measles or Facial Herpes right, and that's why all the other planets give Earth such a wide berth and say 'Oh, don't go near Earth, it's got Human Beings on it, they're contagious'"

      "So you're saying Lister, you're an intergalactic puss-filled coldsore? At last Lister, we agree on something!"

    3. Re:Big collisions exist because of humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Earth has got the meaties: THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT

  7. Great Impact Debate I: Benefits of Hard Bodies by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    For a minute, I thought this would be pr0n.

  8. Humans Would Never Have Survived Without Asteroids by Doctor+Sbaitso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Asteroids, without a doubt, helped our species survive. What else would have filled the immense void in the arcade hall in the years between Pong and Pac-Man?

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  9. Regardless... by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Regardless if asteroid impacts helped or hindered life on Earth (no so good for the dinosaurs, good for our proto-mice ancestors) I don't think that an asteroid impact would be a good thing today, thank you. Any future life forms that would be helped by an impact can kiss my grits.

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  10. Billions of factors... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Humans exist, today, because of billions and billions of tiny factors, and probably about a dozen large factors. If you took any of them away, you wouldn't be alive today.

    As a matter of fact, if you won't back in time 1 billion years and swished your hands around, and then came back, nothing would be the same. You guys know the Simpson's episode ;-)

    And from the article: We should bear in mind that 99.9% of all species that ever dwelled on Earth were wiped out, most likely, as a result of large impacts.

    If those species wouldn't have died, we also wouldn't be here today.

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    1. Re:Billions of factors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If you'd finished reading the article, most of them disagree with the fact that spieces died out "most likely, as a result of large impacts."
      First of all, in contradiction to Benny Peiser's remarks, Peter Ward has presented data showing that while it is true that the majority of species that have ever existed are now extinct, only a minority of those, a few percent in fact, were victims of mass extinctions. Instead, most extinct species have come to an end at some random time between mass extinctions.
    2. Re:Billions of factors... by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe.

      Chaos theory doesn't say that every change will result in a vastly different outcome.

      It just says that some changes can result in vastly different outcomes.

      What it rarely points out is that most change results in only a minor difference. But then, it wants to be ***Chaos***Theory*** and not just the instability section of the chapter on metastable systems.

    3. Re:Billions of factors... by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Humans exist, today, because of billions and billions of tiny factors, and probably about a dozen large factors. If you took any of them away, you wouldn't be alive today.

      Im a big believer of the concept that "the reason it looks this way is because if it was any other way, we wouldnt be here to look at it." as well.

      It seems a slight waste of time to debate if they made a difference or not, when there are so many other questions that are more relevent, such as 'are we alone?'.

      Oh yea, and I had to fight REALLY REALLY hard to not comment on "billions and billions" Carl Sagan style comment. :-) God I miss him.

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    4. Re:Billions of factors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or, it was going to almost exactly this way no matter what. See above comment about metastable systems.

      If you killed Newton and Leibniz before they invented calculus, someone else would do it for them. Maybe a few years later, but you don't even know that, and either way the small bubble it creates could be smoothed out inside a generation. If you look at the history of science, things happened about when they were ready to. Individuals were merely the agents of their predecessors.

      You could interrupt the evolution of any trait or species, but would it greatly change the state of the biosphere 100,000 years later? It really might not.

      At least, that's what my father told me on my wedding day - "go hog wild, son - nature'll sort it out!".

    5. Re:Billions of factors... by Turbyne · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have a friend from Boston that helped me on a Lorenz Equations assignment. Towards the end of the assignment, there was a question asking what we had learned from the lorenz equation. He wrote the following:
      The Lorenz Equations show that a small change at the beginning _CAN_ drastically alter the ending, just like the title of the assignment. Basically Lorenz showed that weather is random. What I don't understand, however, is why it took a tenured mathematician at a prestigious university to figure this out when all that is needed is a New Englander!
      The professor, a native Masshole, gave him full credit on the problem.
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    6. Re:Billions of factors... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      As a matter of fact, if you won't back in time 1 billion years and swished your hands around, and then came back, nothing would be the same. You guys know the Simpson's episode ;-)

      That episode was an homage (or ripoff) of Ray Brabdury's A Sound of Thunder (soon to be a movie.

  11. Role in planetary forming by nairnr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few interesting points from this article. One is that a number of impacts helped in creating some of the earths key resources. As evidenced by Canada's nickel deposits around the Sudbury impact crater, and Mexico's oil deposits around the Chicxlub impact.

    In addition, the major impacts may not have contributed that much to mass extinctions. While there may have been a momentary spike in extinctions, the vast majority of extinctions were not related to a major event.

    It is difficult for us to fully understand the effect of asteroid and comet impact on the earth, as we are so dynamic that much evidence gets lost..

    1. Re:Role in planetary forming by Mr+Foot · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are other events that might cause a mass extinction. A gamma ray burster within our galaxy could cause quite a problem. Or a nearby star goin supernova. Now there would probably be some evidence of these things happening... does anyone know anything about this?

    2. Re:Role in planetary forming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, not creating Earth's resources, more like delivering resources.

      In the case of the Canada nickel deposits, it is not clear whether the nickel is from the impacting object or from magma upwelling into the impact area.

      The oil deposits in Mexico, like those around other impact sites, are probably due to carbon leaking up through the numerous cracks caused by the impact. The abiotic theory of the origin of oil is that there is a lot of carbon in the planet which is constantly leaking up -- this happens more easily around an impact.

    3. Re:Role in planetary forming by fluffy666 · · Score: 1

      The main influence of the impact on Mexican oil deposits was the creation of large breccia deposits which act as an excellent reservoir rock. The oil originates from organic rich source rocks.

      Cracks would not persist below 10 kilometers down due to the plasticity of the crust below such depths. And the carbon from the mantle is in the form of CO2, and has been for the last 2-3 billion years. Hence we find volcanic carbon dioxide.

  12. Bruce Rules by sbillard · · Score: 3, Funny

    strategies for exterminating asteroids

    Just send up Bruce Willis, Steve Bushemi, and, Ben Afleck. Billy-Bob will coordinate the whole she-bang from the ground.
    Good luck and God speed gentlemen

    1. Re:Bruce Rules by Niadh · · Score: 3, Funny
      Just send up Bruce Willis, Steve Bushemi, and, Ben Afleck. Billy-Bob will coordinate the whole she-bang from the ground.
      Good luck and God speed gentlemen


      I'll vote for launching Bruce Willis, Steve Bushemi, and, Ben Afleck into space anyways.
    2. Re:Bruce Rules by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      Nah, just Ben Assface, only 4 more days and we get to see him smacked around by Michael Clark Duncan!

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  13. And I thought it was a new client... by nairnr · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was all excited, I was going to work on a new project Seti@home, meet Asteroid@home...

  14. Re:What kind of ignorance is this? by InvaderXimian · · Score: 0
    "repeated by idiots" "slashdot"

    Kind of redundant there, buddy!

  15. V-WITZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beierhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Die ist ein Kinnerhunder und zwei Mackel uber und der bitte schön ist den Wunderhaus sprechensie. 'Nein' sprecht der Herren 'Ist aufern borger mit zveitingen'.

  16. Not at all accurate translation to Spanish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the Spanglish version here http://www.astrobio.net/cgi-bin/esp.cgi?sid=373&ex t=.html

  17. Not dead bodies, dead world. by Angelwrath · · Score: 3, Informative

    It would have been the remnants of the entire world, representing far more mass than dinosaurs, that would have turned into the "fossil fuels", and not merely dinosaurs. Come to think of it, the vegitation alone would dwarf the collective mass of the dinosaurs, not to mention insects, which can breed and grow on high geometric curves.

  18. Re:Humans Would Never Have Survived Without Astero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget them Space Invaders!

  19. Bah! by Rayonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've been mining asteroids at home for the past twenty years! How is this "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters"?

    Wait... hemmaroids are the ones in space, right?

    1. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you get lotsa chicks being able to create jokes like that.

    2. Re:Bah! by Rayonic · · Score: 1

      > I bet you get lotsa chicks being able to create jokes like that.

      Well, I did get one, but that was during my vow of silence.

  20. Bush Administration by sterno · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the conference, the Bush Administration is expected to seek support for a pre-emptive strike against the Universe. Administration sources were quoted as saying, "The Universe has a long history of unpredictable agression and deterrance of its threats is simply not an option." Donald Rumsfeld went on to state that the US military strategy would bring about a swift and clean victory over the Universe.

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    1. Re:Bush Administration by jabber01 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That sort of attitude, or rather the serious and thoughtful equivalent thereof, specifically the development of a NEO monitoring program and an SDI shield that points up rather than down, would be too enlightenned for the current administration.

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    2. Re:Bush Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow!! An anti-Bush joke!! The one thing funnier than an RIAA joke!! I wish we had MORE of these!!

      [bush/micro$oft/riaa/mpaa] all suckss!!

    3. Re:Bush Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      In his latest Whitehouse press release he was quoted as saying
      "The game is over gentlemen and the universe is not cooperating enough"

    4. Re:Bush Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except a NEO monitor already exists. Asteroids show up on Pave Paws UHF radar and several optical (telescope) satellite trackers.

    5. Re:Bush Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see, anti-Bush jokes get "Funny" and anti-Gore jokes get "Flaim-bait"

      I guess a bunch of lefty bastards moderate...

    6. Re:Bush Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than fascist conspiracy nut cases like you.

  21. Asteroids and oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current oil fields are a sign that these places (some of which are almost deserts now) were at some point of time flourishing with flora and fauna... maybe asteroids were responsible for their destruction... maybe not because this would mean that Africa should have biggest oil fields buried underneath since it was lush green millions of years ago (creationists would disagree with it since they believe earth is not older than few thousands of years)

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    1. Re:Asteroids and oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I searched the word "slashdot" on the search engine www.kartoo.com.

      Nice graphical view, but it also had a link to Quit Slashdot.org Today

    2. Re:Asteroids and oil by Forgotten · · Score: 1

      Good page (Quit Slashdot). Everyone here should read it. ;)

      Funny thing from the Al Gore critique critiqued page it links to - Gore is accused of "mispronouncing" the word [packet] router as "rooter". But I'm an experienced system and network admin, and that's how I pronounce it. A "rowter" is a woodworking tool; on the other hand, I pronounce it "root 66" (as I think Bob Dylan did).

      I do realise that a lot of people say "router" with an ow, but a significant number I've talked to also don't. Is this because I'm Canadian? What do other non-Americans asy?

    3. Re:Asteroids and oil by Woodrose · · Score: 1

      Rowter it is here, mate. In Australia a "rooter" has a different meaning altogether, vis a viz "pig rooter" does not mean someone digging for truffles.

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    4. Re:Asteroids and oil by Gax · · Score: 1

      Everyone I have encountered in the UK pronounces it root-er.

    5. Re:Asteroids and oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm... How about "Silly American Gadet"?

  22. If the human species hadn't been wiped out... by mikeophile · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    cockroaches may never have evolved to the vast interstellar empire we have today.

    1. Re:If the human species hadn't been wiped out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got it backwards; human beings and civilisation are things that cockroaches fostered for their own purposes.

      The weird thing is that in some sense, this is not a joke...

  23. Make Material Fast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life!

    All you have to do is send an asteroid to the planet at the top of the list. Then remove that planet from the list, move the rest up one space and add your planet to the bottom of the list. Pass this list around by radio transmissions to other solar systems. Eventually your planet will reach the top of the list, and you'll have more asteroids than you know what to do with!

    This really works. It is NOT a SCAM!

  24. Mining asteroids@home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Could this be a distributed computing project that combines dig dug, searching for alien intelligence, AND lets me pilot a vector-based shooting triangle through an asteroid field?!?!

    Where do I sign up?

  25. Praise to the dinosaurs. by kkkalen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since some of us figure we owe our petroleum resources to dead dinosaurs, it stands to reason that the next form of life on this one-day-to-be-post-apocolyptic planet will filling their gas tanks with dead humans.

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    1. Re:Praise to the dinosaurs. by blair1q · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. There weren't enough dinosaurs. Oil is dead pine trees.

      2. Mummies were once so plentiful in Egypt (as recently as the '50s) that people were burning them for heat.

  26. Asteroid destruction, How to achieve by titzandkunt · · Score: 0

    To Quote an unnamed Slashdotter:

    "If it's heading towards [insert the name of your most unloved celebrity here] , I say leave it alone!"

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  27. Whether humans exist because of collisions by willpost · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most Definitely.. Collisions of men and women produce people all the time.

  28. Brute Orbits by Nick+Fury · · Score: 1

    George Zebrowski wrote a book about mining asteroids. The book was called Brute Orbits. Strange and alarming part is what that did with the asteroids after they had been mined. They shot prisoners into a timed orbit....God only knows what the Bush administration will do.

  29. God may know what Bush would have done, but I know by adzoox · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    God may know what Bush would have done, but I know what Gore would have done if he were President. The situation: Asteroid is hurtling toward earth, miners want to mine it, upon completion, would destroy it. Gore gets behind Greenpeace and deams the asteroid a national park that is protected. (After all, he would say, "Life originated on the asteroid, I know all about origins, I helped create the internet, and brought life into this world with my beautiful wife, I am with Greenpeace, we should remain neutral and see what the asteroid's impact will be"

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  30. 'Fossil fuels' are not! by Cognitive+Dissident · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a growing realization that the source of petroleum is not 'dead dinosaurs' or even dead plants and/or bacteria as had been believed for so long. It seems that what we consider 'organic' chemistry (in chemistry btw, 'organic' just means carbon containing compounds)) might be quite common in the natural world even without what we would recognize as life to create it. Some Google searches on terms like 'non-organic', 'inorganic' and 'petroleum' will turn up lots of articles about the new theories. This one, for example. Or This one in a respected journal of geology. It's looking more and more like the term 'fossil fuels' is a misnomer. That's not to say that the supply isn't limited, however...

    1. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by Dark+Bard · · Score: 1

      Thanks for making the point I was about to make. Unfortunately when a baseless idea is repeated enough times it becomes fact. Given the depth oil deposits are found at I guess the first person to propose the idea assumed dinosaurs lived in burrows deep under the earth. They must have also have had amazing lungs given the fact that the richest oil deposits tend to be in areas that were under oceans at the time of the dinosaurs. Deep diving dinosaurs that dug burrows thousands of feet deep. A sound scientific theory if I ever heard one.

    2. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to read up on left handed versus right handed organic compounds.

      When you do, you will understand how we KNOW that petroleum and coal are from some formerly LIVING source whose DNA/RNA coiled in the same direction as that of all life now on Earth.

    3. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a glance at the summaries of "The Deep Hot Biosphere" and you'll see that oil did indeed come from a living source. But the source is merely single-celled organisms, not mystically processed plants. Recently it was reported that bacteria was retrieved from hot water near the bottom of a gold mine (although that's about half the depth of Gold's find in the Scandinavian impact site).

    4. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not new theories. Pursue the source of the "dead creatures" theory and you'll find it came from someone who merely suggested it as one possibility, when modern science was just beginning. Add "Russia" to your searches for abiotic petroleum and you'll find decades-old references, along with descriptions of the Russian oil wells which are taking oil out of "bedrock" where it shouldn't be.

      The supply may be "limited", but if even a fraction of a percent of the Earth's magma has carbon, that's still a huge amount still not released. (estimates of magma composition have varying amounts of carbon) And, of course, the "carbon cycle" continues to release recycled carbon.

    5. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by BarrettAnderson · · Score: 0

      no, the theory is not dinosaurs as much as it is plant life. Think about it, there was a lot more plant life back then than animal life. Some dinosaurs eat their body weight in plants on a daily/weekly/monthly basis (more than in their lifetime). Anyone who thinks it's dinosaurs and dinosaurs alone needs to brush up on their stuff.

    6. Re:'Fossil fuels' are not! by fluffy666 · · Score: 1

      Take a glance at the summaries of "The Deep Hot Biosphere" and you'll see that oil did indeed come from a living source.

      You'll also find quite a lot of basic errors in geology. Deep bacteria are there; but they do not generate petroleum.

      But the source is merely single-celled organisms, not mystically processed plants.

      There is nothing 'mystical' about it! Do you have even the slightest grasp of the amount of work done in the field of petroleum geology in the last few decades? The generation, migration and accumulation of petroleum is routinely parameterised and modelled in four dimensions; these models are used as a basis for extremely expensive drilling and development work, and validated back using the huge, high quality datasets obtained in mature areas. Source rocks are geochemically and experimentally tied to the generated oil; accurate temperature/time series created from depositional, biostratigraphic and radiometric records; the migration pathways and presence of sealed reservoirs modelled through time. This is the best funded and most heavily researched area in geology.

  31. Why not just outlaw Asteroids by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I seem to recall that prior to WWI a panel conviened to discuss the problems of warfare. The concluded that we should outlaw warfare entirely.

    I don't understand this obsession with panels. We really need action. We need someone to invent the mass driver in their back yard. Think of flight.

    Before the Wright Brothers, flight (when attempted) was perilous and uncontrolled. You could control your Yaw motion well enough, you place a rudder on the tail of the aircraft like the rudder on a boat. Pitch was easy, you take a rudder, turn in sideways, and you can control up and down movement. The tricky part was Roll. The Wright brothers developed a technique called "Wing Warping", where they altered the geometry of the wing to control roll motion.

    Think of radio. Deforest clodged together a bunch of parts and created the precursor to the modern Diode. He never really understood how it worked, but the invention (and the name escapes me) is the one missing piece that allows radio transmissions.

    The nautical clock, a stepping stone that allowed ships to calculate their longitudinal position, was invented be a sole crazed inventor.

    Einstein did not have a panel to work out relativity. Hell how many theorums do Newton, Fermat, Fourier, Laplace, and Liebnitz have to their names. And don't forget loonies like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.

    Face it, geeks rule. They always have. All of human history was more or less worked out by one crackpot at a time. We need crackpots working on this problem.

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    1. Re:Why not just outlaw Asteroids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I think you're right! I'd actually be a lot more confident in the state of the USA if we had some crackpot in center stage. I nominate Bobcat!

  32. Sometime they work by Efreet · · Score: 1

    You know, outlawing explosive bullets in war actually worked pretty well.

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  33. The A.T.A.R.I. Asteriod Extermination System by ShinmaWa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Many years ago -- I exterminated thousands of asteroids at home using the Asteroid Targetting And Removal Instrument 2600.

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  34. Meditation Strategies for Asteroid Extermination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm doing my best, but resources are currently
    occupied in preventing a war :-/ which has been
    underway at a low level for already about 10 years. :-/ :-/
    Yeah, let some of those interfaith and pure
    meditation folks publish a journal article about
    prayer and perturbations in the paths of asteroids.

  35. Mining? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'd rather read about taking resources from the asteroids. We use up all of the Earth's resources, why stop there? ;) Which would make precious metals far less precious and the simple metals they ought to be. If only we could get energy from them too.

    Oh! By the way, oil does NOT come from dinosaurs.

    1. Re:Mining? by Criton · · Score: 1

      Yes oil is dead ocean plankton not dinosaurs.

  36. I HUNGER! by Exiler · · Score: 1

    Sinistar, the best asteroid mining 'simulation' evah! =P

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    Banaaaana!
  37. Sudbury by CaptainPhong · · Score: 1
    I've been to Sudbury mines. It's a spooky place. Miners many decades ago were careless in their smelting practices, and as a result, most plant life in the Sudbury crater was exterminated by toxic fumes. Today, it's still best described as a "moonscape" with blackened rocks and few trees able to grow. It's not hard to imagine the way it looked when life first began to return, years after the impact.

    But for me, the sleeping Yellowstone caldera ranks much higher on the heebee-jeebees scale, when it comes to ELEs.

    --
    ... "Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the w
  38. Obligatory Paraphrase by lucasw · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Asteroids are the cause of - and solution to - all our lives existence!

  39. Re:Humans Would Never Have Survived Without Astero by sunnyd_85 · · Score: 1

    Dude, he's talking about Asteroids the candy, not the game, DUH!

  40. To Asteroids! by lucasw · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The cause of - and solution to - all our lives existence!

  41. No, not dead dinosaurs. by XNormal · · Score: 1

    Consider this:

    Titan is said to have an ocean of hydrocarbons.

    Carbonaceous asteroids and meteorites contain asphalt-like material (I guess the lighter hydrocarbons just boiled away into space).

    And we're supposed to believe that the source of terrestrial petroleum must be organic? We know better now. It's time to revise the old theories.

    --
    Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
    1. Re:No, not dead dinosaurs. by fluffy666 · · Score: 1

      And we're supposed to believe that the source of terrestrial petroleum must be organic? We know better now. It's time to revise the old theories.

      No, it's time for people to learn things like geochemistry, tectonics and petroleum geology. You may be shocked to hear it, but there is this thing called the 'Oil Industry'. It is surprisingly big and quite likes to find oil. The amount of money available to people who can help it find more oil is quite large. And it will happily spend money - serious money - if there is even a small chance of a payoff. Yet it relies entirely on very detailed theories - backed by huge amounts of geochemical evidence, it has to be said - on the origin of oil via the thermal breakdown of a small class of organic deposits. Why do you think this is?

    2. Re:No, not dead dinosaurs. by cdn-programmer · · Score: 1

      Not everyone in the oil industry thinks that all petroleum is biological. Thomas Gold wrote a book called "The Deep Hot Biosphere" and he says there may be significant amounts of oil from the mantel.

      Personally, I don't know enough to say if he might be right. But if some day oil is found say under the basement of the Peace River Arch then I won't be too suprised. There was a well planned to be drilled BTW but they ran into problems and ran out of money and then the promoter ran out too - and is now being extradited back :-)

      If people want to invest a few schekles that well can probably be finished for only say about 1/2 million.

    3. Re:No, not dead dinosaurs. by fluffy666 · · Score: 1

      Thomas Gold is not, of course, in the oil industry.. he's an astronomer. I have had a look through his work; all I can say is that if he wants to get taken seriously, he should take an undergraduate course in Geology first..

      Although it has to be said that the existance of a deep, hot biosphere (down to about 3-6 km, depending on the thermal gradient) does seem pretty likely; in some special circumstances in Russia, natural gas deposits appear to be generated by deep bacteria acting on source rocks, and oil will biodegrade if it gets in contact with oxygenated water (see the canadian and venezealean heavy oils/tar sands).

      It's also possable to produce oil in the lab by heating the source rocks with water in the absence of oxygen - this is basically what 'oil shale' projects try; this oil is idendical to that found in association with the source rocks.

      Oil will also crack fairly quickly to methane under temperatures >150 degrees centigrade. This alone severely limits the depth at which oil can accumulate. Methane will tend to 'crack' to carbon dioxide at greater depths, although a greater problem is the low porosity and permability of the rocks at depth.

  42. Dare I say...God? by mikegre · · Score: 1

    So where did the asteroids come from? Where did all the stuff in space come from? I mean, if you really think about it, shouldn't there be nothing? Well, less than nothing, actually. Not nothing that no one sees, but nothing nothing. Not emptiness...but nothing. Not empty space...but nothing.

    My head hurts.

    1. Re:Dare I say...God? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... Believe it or not, the answer may be a mythical 10th planet, aptly named Lucifer; This at least should account for the "Asteroid Belt"
      Since God supposedly created us, isn't it rather appropriate that one of Lucifers Minions could destroy us? 8-)

  43. Mexico's Tiny Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That "big" crater in Mexico might have been just a small chunk that broke off of the big fellow. There is a huge lava deposit in India which might be due to a really big impact -- which actually cracked the Earth's crust enough to release huge magma flows. The one in Mexico just made a bit splatter across the surface.

    1. Re:Mexico's Tiny Hole by fluffy666 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but the idea that the deccan traps were caused by a metorite impact are daft to say the least.

      Firstly, there is the geochemical evidence:

      Then there are the dates - this started 3.5 million years before the Mexico impact.

      And then you have the minor fact that metorite impacts and flood basalt events do not correlate. This is another case of astronomers forgetting that this science called 'geology' exists...

  44. RUN! RUN! by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    I LIVE.

  45. NEO Monitoring by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    They did create a NEO monitoring program. The problem is that it's run by the UN, and the asteroids have gotten quite adept at avoiding the inspectors.

  46. So where's the mining reference? by mwood · · Score: 1

    Here I saw the title and thought that someone else had come up with my idea: to reduce the danger from planet-killer sized debris, locate all the troublesome objects and mine them out of existence. We save the planet and get valuable materials besides.

  47. Superheterodyne Receiver? Or Triode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Superheterodyne Receiver? Or Triode?

  48. The moon by mfrank · · Score: 1

    Didn't the Apollo moon rocks show that the moon was created 4 billion years ago when something the size of Mars hit the earth? The moon ended up with most of the rock (with perhaps a small metal core) and the earth ended up with most of the metal with just a wafer thin coating of rock. The effoect of this is the earth is able to slowly and safely relieve internal stress through vulcanism, earthquakes, and plate techtonics while planets like Venus, with a crust much thicker than Earth, has outbursts every couple of hundred million years that cover half the planet in lava. If the moon hadn't been blasted off the earth, it would have been impossible for complex life to even begin to evolve.

  49. pig rooters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know there were pig rooters in teh Land of OZ. I thought there were only sheep rooters.

    Alas - what is this world comming to?

  50. Re:God may know what Bush would have done, but I k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Errrrrrr, no.