Instead, cheaters reorder their code, add a bunch of comments, rename variables, change indentation and so on.
Some do. Others do what what two of our students did, who I will call Tom and Jerry. The project involved writing some unit tests, and Tom had written a test for a function that took a string as its argument. For the test string, Tom used his name. When Jerry copied Tom's code verbatim, he changed a few things around, but made sure not to mess with the test code. It was pretty easy to figure out who Jerry got his project from. I couldn't believe it.
"Why didn't you go for the National Guard, hmm? Your chances of being deployed over seas to hostile combat zone are dramatically reduced in that organization"
The 29th Infantry Division, a part of the Army National Gaurd, was part of the first wave on the assault on Omaha Beach on D-Day in WWII. [wikipedia.org]
Read your Holland and Koza. Evolutionary computing (and others: Neural nets, Cellular Automata,...) have a wide array of successful applications. Dismissing this just work because it's biologically inspired is inappropriate and counter-productive to science.
And just so you know, the AIS community is absolutely not ignoring fundamental questions of complexity and mathematical weaknesses. I met one of the authors at ICARIS 05, and her presentation of this work was cautious, qualified, and thorough.
It's reasonable to argue that the spam filtering mechanics of this work aren't novel. But to attack the practice of biologically-inspired computing because of this paper is just overreacting.
"Rendezvous and wifi could easily keep my two macs in sync when they happen to be in the same room."
I read that as
Rendezvous and wifey
could easily keep my two macs in sync when they happen to be in the same room.
I had a picture of your poor wife automatically being notified when your laptop entered the living room, and then having to sneakernet all the diffs herself...
Well, and this is not to be intended as a brag, but I can provide anecdotal evidence that geeks get girls. I am a huge geek, and I always have had a girlfriend. They are usually hot too. One of them was a lesbian, and took a brief pause to get down. I have kept most of them a long time.
I am skinny, wear glasses, terrible at sports, and have kind of a nasaly voice. I learned to program at 12, was a math and cs major in college, and watch star trek TNG religiously (thank you SpikeTV). Maybe I am an isolated case, but I think that the articles points about attentiveness are really key. I think geeks have serious game, and if they are brave enough to get out there and pitch a little woo, things go well for them.
Actually, I thought the comment was modded correctly, and there were parts of it that I agreed with. But QED is a nice term with a cool history, and I don't like to see it abused.
Please, if you are going to make use of 'QED'. do it right. QED stands for 'quod erat demonstrandum' which means 'which was to be demonstrated'. It stands at the end of an argument after a repetition of the claim, which presumably has just been proved. Your arguments closes with:
But not the US. Because the US goverment is Good, and the Soviet government was Evil.
Unfortunately, being a distinguished computer science student does not imply that you are a good programmer. I am a senior at the University of Maryland, College Park. I know lots of kids that do very well in their CS classes. Many of these same kids are terrible programmers simply because they have only ever completed projects of the "implement this spec to solve this idealized problem variety". Some of the more software engineering classes (compilers, databases, graphics, OSs,etc.) focus on implementing programs that do useful work (using real APIs). The more theoretical classes like algorithm analysis and crypto focus on the computer science and not how to program. Thankfully, UMD makes it really hard to graduate without at least of few of the engineering classes. However, as you pointed out, these really _aren't_ CS classes. They are engineering classes. And the people who avoid them tend to not be very good programmers.
Would you hire a theoretical physicist to build a suspension bridge? Well, I wouldn't hire a theoretical computer scientist to implement my relational database server or my C++ compiler or my operating system.
And just for the record: I learned C when I was 12. And it was the process of decomposing a task into unabiguous components that interested me from the very beginning. I would call that process fundamental to computer science.
I would argue that from the ubiquitous integration of Cocoa with various common scripting languages that slashdotters love, along with the FreeBSD userland, its a nice package for those that ARE power users too;)
well, whatever his work is, he must think its gold...
my girlfriend, an extremely bright mathmatics student, was completely put off by mandelbrot. she heard him talk this summer, and said that he was the most self absorbed person she had ever met. he answered all questions with disdain, and generally gave the impression that what he had done was The Most Important Thing Ever.
i don't care if you are isaac newton, there is just no excuse for that kind of attitude...
I was only noting that they had the same name, and considering that Tiger's Dashboard was announced on Monday. Also note that, as has been pointed out in other threads here, Tiger's dashboard, while similar to Konfabulator, is actually much more similar to an Apple feature nearly as old as the Mac. It was Konfabulator that added a similar feature to OS X, arguably 'ripping off' an Apple innovation almost two decades old.
I agree with you, but I think the author was using a bit of a hyperbole. While I'm sure no one, even at microsoft, would publicly state that portability is a total waste of time (think Longhorn, ready to rewrite your app?), keep in mind this is a HOWTO for project management. In particular, it is not a "what to do", it is a "how to do it". And when your priority is shipping a finished product, you all will agree that ensuring portability on n platforms increases your development time by roughly exp(n), or something along those lines. I think this article is more useful to beginning managers, and I think the author is encouraging that crowd to walk before it runs.
-1, Troll:
"The other problem is of course, divorce. Divorce is happening because people who were raised poorly are getting married.
"
I wouldn't mind such an inflammatory comment if you had some semblance of data to back this up. Moderators, if you think this comment is insightful, you know about as much about divorce and the causes of poor marriages as this poster, which is nothing.
actually, considering that you can use gliders (along with a few other GOL building blocks) to create circuits, and ultimately a computing machine that has been proven to be a universal computer, I think that gliders are way cooler and more appropriate for hackers than rule 30. random numbers are great, but how often do we hackers like to make computers pop up where they were least expected, or learn to 'program' something no one really thought to be programmable?
as far as 'this crap running when im not using it' goes, remember that the Rendezvous services needs to be running even when you arent listening, in order for the sharing to work. Granted, it would be nice if you could turn it off...
This is particularly concerning for those of us involved with evolutionary computation in trading stocks and futures. I havent read the book, is he claiming that optimization of trading stratgies through genetic algorithms, or that neuroevolutionary strategies wouldnt work? Jeff Katz uses GA optimization to great effect in _The Encylopedia of Trading Strategies_.
than the competing ATI product (of the same generation) and I will wait for the nVidia product if nVidia is a generation behind, for one reason: drivers. nVidia improves their products by leaps and bounds by the timely and frequent release of supporting software. Makes me feel like im being taken care of as a customer.
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Instead, cheaters reorder their code, add a bunch of comments, rename variables, change indentation and so on.
Some do. Others do what what two of our students did, who I will call Tom and Jerry. The project involved writing some unit tests, and Tom had written a test for a function that took a string as its argument. For the test string, Tom used his name. When Jerry copied Tom's code verbatim, he changed a few things around, but made sure not to mess with the test code. It was pretty easy to figure out who Jerry got his project from. I couldn't believe it.
"Why didn't you go for the National Guard, hmm? Your chances of being deployed over seas to hostile combat zone are dramatically reduced in that organization"
The 29th Infantry Division, a part of the Army National Gaurd, was part of the first wave on the assault on Omaha Beach on D-Day in WWII. [wikipedia.org]
Read your Holland and Koza. Evolutionary computing (and others: Neural nets, Cellular Automata, ...) have a wide array of successful applications. Dismissing this just work because it's biologically inspired is inappropriate and counter-productive to science.
And just so you know, the AIS community is absolutely not ignoring fundamental questions of complexity and mathematical weaknesses. I met one of the authors at ICARIS 05, and her presentation of this work was cautious, qualified, and thorough.
It's reasonable to argue that the spam filtering mechanics of this work aren't novel. But to attack the practice of biologically-inspired computing because of this paper is just overreacting.
Is it just me, or has slashdot become dramatically more fun lately? Must be due to digg 'the idiot sponge' dot com.
"Rendezvous and wifi could easily keep my two macs in sync when they happen to be in the same room."
I read that as
Rendezvous and wifey could easily keep my two macs in sync when they happen to be in the same room.
I had a picture of your poor wife automatically being notified when your laptop entered the living room, and then having to sneakernet all the diffs herself...
"Computer Science is a subset of Math."
You must be new here. Math is a subset of Computer Science.
Well, and this is not to be intended as a brag, but I can provide anecdotal evidence that geeks get girls. I am a huge geek, and I always have had a girlfriend. They are usually hot too. One of them was a lesbian, and took a brief pause to get down. I have kept most of them a long time.
I am skinny, wear glasses, terrible at sports, and have kind of a nasaly voice. I learned to program at 12, was a math and cs major in college, and watch star trek TNG religiously (thank you SpikeTV). Maybe I am an isolated case, but I think that the articles points about attentiveness are really key. I think geeks have serious game, and if they are brave enough to get out there and pitch a little woo, things go well for them.
Actually, I thought the comment was modded correctly, and there were parts of it that I agreed with. But QED is a nice term with a cool history, and I don't like to see it abused.
Which I don't think was your claim.
is that you?
Unfortunately, being a distinguished computer science student does not imply that you are a good programmer. I am a senior at the University of Maryland, College Park. I know lots of kids that do very well in their CS classes. Many of these same kids are terrible programmers simply because they have only ever completed projects of the "implement this spec to solve this idealized problem variety". Some of the more software engineering classes (compilers, databases, graphics, OSs,etc.) focus on implementing programs that do useful work (using real APIs). The more theoretical classes like algorithm analysis and crypto focus on the computer science and not how to program. Thankfully, UMD makes it really hard to graduate without at least of few of the engineering classes. However, as you pointed out, these really _aren't_ CS classes. They are engineering classes. And the people who avoid them tend to not be very good programmers.
Would you hire a theoretical physicist to build a suspension bridge? Well, I wouldn't hire a theoretical computer scientist to implement my relational database server or my C++ compiler or my operating system.
And just for the record: I learned C when I was 12. And it was the process of decomposing a task into unabiguous components that interested me from the very beginning. I would call that process fundamental to computer science.
I would argue that from the ubiquitous integration of Cocoa with various common scripting languages that slashdotters love, along with the FreeBSD userland, its a nice package for those that ARE power users too ;)
well, whatever his work is, he must think its gold... my girlfriend, an extremely bright mathmatics student, was completely put off by mandelbrot. she heard him talk this summer, and said that he was the most self absorbed person she had ever met. he answered all questions with disdain, and generally gave the impression that what he had done was The Most Important Thing Ever. i don't care if you are isaac newton, there is just no excuse for that kind of attitude...
No problem, there will surely be a dupe tomorrow...
I was only noting that they had the same name, and considering that Tiger's Dashboard was announced on Monday. Also note that, as has been pointed out in other threads here, Tiger's dashboard, while similar to Konfabulator, is actually much more similar to an Apple feature nearly as old as the Mac. It was Konfabulator that added a similar feature to OS X, arguably 'ripping off' an Apple innovation almost two decades old.
Wonder what the Dashboard developers will have to say about the 'Dashboard' feature in the upcoming Tiger?
I agree with you, but I think the author was using a bit of a hyperbole. While I'm sure no one, even at microsoft, would publicly state that portability is a total waste of time (think Longhorn, ready to rewrite your app?), keep in mind this is a HOWTO for project management. In particular, it is not a "what to do", it is a "how to do it". And when your priority is shipping a finished product, you all will agree that ensuring portability on n platforms increases your development time by roughly exp(n), or something along those lines. I think this article is more useful to beginning managers, and I think the author is encouraging that crowd to walk before it runs.
-1, Troll: "The other problem is of course, divorce. Divorce is happening because people who were raised poorly are getting married. " I wouldn't mind such an inflammatory comment if you had some semblance of data to back this up. Moderators, if you think this comment is insightful, you know about as much about divorce and the causes of poor marriages as this poster, which is nothing.
actually, considering that you can use gliders (along with a few other GOL building blocks) to create circuits, and ultimately a computing machine that has been proven to be a universal computer, I think that gliders are way cooler and more appropriate for hackers than rule 30. random numbers are great, but how often do we hackers like to make computers pop up where they were least expected, or learn to 'program' something no one really thought to be programmable?
as far as 'this crap running when im not using it' goes, remember that the Rendezvous services needs to be running even when you arent listening, in order for the sharing to work. Granted, it would be nice if you could turn it off...
>The question is how long do those batteries last. I hear 3 months for the mouse and 9 for the keyboard :
ahem: www.realdoll.com
This is particularly concerning for those of us involved with evolutionary computation in trading stocks and futures. I havent read the book, is he claiming that optimization of trading stratgies through genetic algorithms, or that neuroevolutionary strategies wouldnt work? Jeff Katz uses GA optimization to great effect in _The Encylopedia of Trading Strategies_.
Regardless of whether we exist because of asteroid collisions, I'd rather not give space the chance to reinvent the planet again :)
than the competing ATI product (of the same generation) and I will wait for the nVidia product if nVidia is a generation behind, for one reason: drivers. nVidia improves their products by leaps and bounds by the timely and frequent release of supporting software. Makes me feel like im being taken care of as a customer.