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League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Trailer

An anonymous reader notes that the League of Extraordinary Gentleman Trailer is on apple.com. It's in quicktime. And since I'm downloading at under 3k a second, I'll let others comment on it. Here's hopin'

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  1. "since I'm downloading at under 3k?" by koi88 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I had the trailer in 20 seconds...

    Maybe you should finally get rid of that 36.6Kbit/s Modem...

    Yeah, trailer looks good-- but what is it? Am I supposed to know that?

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    1. Re:"since I'm downloading at under 3k?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good to know /. still has the requisite number of arrogant losers hanging around. Your comment is right up there with "Let them eat cake."

    2. Re:"since I'm downloading at under 3k?" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your comment is right up there with "Let them eat cake."
      Actually, "let them eat cake" is a missquote. When Marie Antoinette was told that the peasents had no bread, she replied 'Why don't they eat brioche', since in the royal family brioche had always been availible when the bread had run out. It was not an arrogant statement, simply one which showed how utterly removed from the real world she was.

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    3. Re:"since I'm downloading at under 3k?" by dippyd · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Let them eat cake" is a slander against Marie-Antoinette, and an especially heinous one because she took a very active role in trying to relieve the famine in France.

      Jean-Jacques Rousseau attributed the words to "a great princess" in his "Confessions" which was written about three years before Marie-Antoinette arrived in France in 1770. So she couldn't have been the original source of the quote.

      The situation gets more interesting than that. Under French law, bakers were obliged to sell certain bread products at a fixed price. To prevent the obvious trick of baking only a few cheap rolls then using the bulk of the flour to make expensive products, the law obligated the bakers to sell more expensive products at the cheaper price if the cheap rolls ran out.

      "Let them eat cake" was far from a sign of indifference or ignorance, it was a very humanitarian call: the bread shortage could be alleviated if the law was enforced against profiteering bakers.

      But alas history is written by the victors, and the French Revolutionaries had a vested interest in making Marie-Antoinette seem foolish and callous.

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  2. Foolish Title by Yurian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can't help but think they messed up naming this one - everyone (in the UK anyway) is going to confuse it with the League of Gentlemen - a very twisted black comedy.

    1. Re:Foolish Title by 17028 · · Score: 3

      Well, it IS named after a comic book series, so I think it would be messing up to name it something else. But maybe that's just me. :P

  3. Just the link by plimsoll · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:Just the link by ahaning · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's just a reference file. What I've done in the past for downloading the full file is to get ethereal for Windows (you'll also need winpcap). Then, start a capture. Start the movie streaming. Wait a second or two. Then, stop the capture and find a packet that was going to or from your machine and the apple streaming server. Right-click on that packet and select "Follow TCP stream". You'll get a window that shows the data that went between the apple server and your machine. One machine's data will be in a reddish color, the other in blue. Save this as a text file (or copy-paste into notepad). At one point, you'll see a line for what server your machine went to. Nearby, you'll see GET /some/path/movie.mov where "/some/path" is a long directory path to the movie.mov. Put these two parts together, append "http://" and use wget or whatever to download the movie.

      Simple ;-)

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    2. Re:Just the link by James+Lanfear · · Score: 4, Informative

      That only gave me a 1K... something (I assume it's supposed to switch me to the trailer stream, but I'm using mplayer so it didn't work too well). The full trailer is available here.

    3. Re:Just the link by James+Lanfear · · Score: 2, Informative

      Akamai has a network of streaming servers all over the world. Posting a link to one of them defeats the whole purpose.

      Well, if the selection is done when you hit the trailer page (before you stream), then you can just view the page source, grep for "lxg_480.mov", copy the URL, change the filename to "lxg_m480.mov", and try that.

      as one reply noted, he got 1K/s from it

      I assume you're talking about me. My comment was about the size of the file (the reference file is ~1400 bytes), not the transfer speed (which was quite nice).

  4. Weird name, great trailer by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Name is kinda weird, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (sounds more like a Monte Python parody) but the trailer looked pretty damn good. A bit gothic, but good.

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  5. Re:Seriously by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is with the sudden onslaught of superhero movies?

    Interesting point. In times of trouble (war, for instance) people need heroes. I have seen many news stories to this effect. Its a 'nurture' type need. For those of us in the US, a few more heroes would be a good thing, post 9-11.

    In trying times, people don't want to see the bad guys win, and movie makers know that. I would imagine many projects where "good wins over evil" that were sitting on the sidelines pre 9-11 were given a second look, and we are just now beginning to see the fruits of this.

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  6. LXG! by Nathan+Brazil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw the trailer before Daredevil, and I have to say, this could be incredibly good, or it can be the worst thing ever to grace the silver screen, beyond the badness of Batman and Robin. There will be no halfways on this thing.

    I was really psyched by the various characterizations, though; they seemed spot-on. And the voiceover sounds like they kept the, um, moral ambiguity aspect of the Alan Moore stuff. Hopefully he had a large hand in the story/script...

    Too bad Sean Connery is such a bigger star than anyone else; this means that the center of the story is likely to be Alan Quatermain, rather than, um, whatsherface. I wonder if he will be the leader, just because of the star power present there...

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    1. Re:LXG! by jcdick1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "whatsherface"?

      Yes, I suppose he will be the star of the show, but for some of us, the opportunity to see Peta Wilson of La Femme Nikita all vamped out is definitely something to look forward to!

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  7. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by bguilliams · · Score: 5, Informative

    The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is a comic book written by Alan Moore. The movie is extremely loosely based upon the first six issues, which comprise the first volume. The movie, due to its rather frightening changes, has a rather high suck-potential, but the trailer gave me hope.

    The comic books are very good, however. Alan Moore has read every book ever written. And he really likes the ones written in and about Victorian England. In the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen reality, just about every book and character ever written is real. The level of detail is astounding. Check it out.

    B.

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    1. Re:League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by 17028 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kudos for knowing what the heck you are talking about, compared to most of the other comments.

      I was a little disappointed that the trailer was all action, and didn't give any feeling about the theme. It would've been cool to at least start the trailer with the cobblestone streets and horse-drawn coaches to show that it is the 19th Century, and not the 1930s like it seems based on the car shots. They didn't move it in time, did they??

    2. Re:League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by pldms · · Score: 3, Informative
      Um - 'real'? As in fictional ;-) ? They are taken from other works of fiction - often Victorian.

      Jess Nevin's annotations are an invaluable companion to the original books.

      Volume two is in progress currently - the fifth one should be out at the end of this month (IIRC).

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    3. Re:League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by rogerbo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Alan Moore is very British, he used to write for 2000AD years ago before he moved to DC Comics to write "The Watchmen".

      "The Ballad of Halo Jones" is his best work during the time he was writing for 2000AD, very worthwhile and available in Graphic Novel form. "Dr and Quinch" comes a close second but is probably harder to find.

    4. Re:League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An American writing about Victorian England?

      He's very british in fact... He comes from Northampton, near where I grew up. Friends of friends know him - A hippy-goth type with big hair and beard! His knwoledge of History (esp. local)is pretty frigging good, btw...

  8. Re:Is this THE League of Gentlemen? by Misanthropic+Lycanth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I found this site, which sort of explains the origins.

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  9. Collector's edition by delfstrom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Buy the original graphic novel now before it is out of print and zooms up in price.

    1. Re:Collector's edition by gosquad · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...or if the movie sucks (and it looks like it just might) sell it now before the value drops..

      Anyone wanna buy my Howard the Duck #1?

      -gosquad

  10. ... And it looks truly awful. by Lproven · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A mindless SFX extravaganza with none of the original's wit, subtlety, irony, cleverness, in-jokes, immaculate period references and panache.

    I was going to say, a fine opportunity wasted, but I don't think it was. The League was too sophisticated for the type of audience attracted to a movie derived from a comic in the West. They mainly want mindless violent-action crap, such as Dardevil appears to be.

    Ignore the movie. Alan Moore's stuff is too good for movies; this looks to be a travesty even more egregious than the appalling From Hell. Read the book, instead. It's pure, inspired brilliance, with breathtakingly intricate Kev O'Neill artwork to match.

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  11. Some basic Info by Gryftir · · Score: 5, Informative

    The league of Extraordinary Gentleman was a Comic written by Alan Moore (at least for some time, I haven't read it myself though I've heard about it).
    Basically it consists of pulp heros and villains, like alan quartermain (as in Alan quartermain and the lost city of gold, which i have seen, No imdb but plot synopsis here. )
    Basically Moore rewrites the characters of british pulp mythology in ways reminiscent of The Watchmen.
    The Invisible man has sex with girls at a boarding school. It's that kind of comic I guess.

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  12. Expanation - League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by mjhaynes · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" is a very successful comic book written by Alan Moore, who also wrote "Watchmen" with Dave Gibbons (THE comic book of the '80s) and "From Hell" with Eddie Campbell (which was recently made into a movie with Johnny Depp and Heather Graham).

    The comic book follows the adventures of several fictional Victorian characters (like Alan Quartermain and the Invisible Man).

    For more information on Alan Moore, you should check out The Alan Moore Fansite. LoEG is really worth the read.
  13. well by cap'n+foolsy · · Score: 4, Informative

    it looks like a lot of people haven't heard of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and are passing this off as a matrix/x-men/whatnot ripoff.

    come on guys, this is a comic book. i thought you were geeks? ;) true, it has the slick look of just about any another special-effects movie, but give it a chance. if you want to know more about the comic book, take a look here.

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  14. Background Info by Armarius · · Score: 5, Informative

    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is kinda like X-Men 1800's sytle with a dash of James Bond both in story and because it includes Sean Connery.

    The League is a recuited by MI-5 to protect England and includes Captain Nemo from Jules Verne's "20,000 Leagues Beneath the Sea," Alan Quartermain from H. Rider Haggard's "King Solomon's Mines," and Jekyll/Hyde of Robert Louis Stevenson's "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde", H. G. Wells' "The Invisible Man" and Mina Harker from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"

    From the Alan Moore graphical novel http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1563898586

  15. It is 'THE Legitimate Businessman's Social Club' by sczimme · · Score: 2, Funny


    It's just a rather large typo.

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  16. The trailer looked good by osgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But then again, it's seldom that trailers don't look good, assuming you like the actors and the genre.

    God knows that having Sean in it tells us nothing about the movie's quality. He lets himself appear in some real stinkers.

    Here's hoping for the best...

  17. Re:excellent! (POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT) by SamSpectre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is an excellent Alan Moore comic book (Watchmen, From Hell, etc.) but from looking at the trailer (two days ago at the Daredevil movie) I can already tell that they're taking liberties with the story and characters. The most blatant of these IMO is Wilhemina Murray (Harker) who in the comic (and the book) never becomes a vampire. In the trailer, she's manifesting out of bats, etc. I guess having a regular but strong woman-figure among the likes of Captain Nemo, Allan Quartermain, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde, and the Invisible Man was just not enough for viewing audiences. A good (well-researched comic) that will be gutted in the movie.

  18. Duplicate the commercial success of Mysterymen? by sam_handelman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alternatively, maybe they're hoping to duplicate the out-of-control appeal of Dick Tracy.

    No one is going to see this movie.

    I might, some of my friends definitely will, and some other slashdotters, but this movie is going to bomb. I want to know how a group of people can make decisions which are, at the same time, totally driven by greed and, at the same time, so obviously directed towards utter commercial failure.

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  19. This is a LOCAL shop! by davejenkins · · Score: 3, Funny

    You have no business here!
    This is a LOCAL shop, for LOCAL fol---

    oh, wait...

    1. Re:This is a LOCAL shop! by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then there's the towels: white for hands, brown for feet, green for torso, thighs and seat. And in the cupboard 'neath the stair, You'll find the red for pubic hair!

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  20. All media players do this by seldolivaw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Every media player in existence (RealOne, Windows Media, QuickTime, even Winamp3) attempt to register themselves as the default player of every type of media they support on installation. I have all four installed, with no major conflicts -- it's really not hard to pick "advanced installation" when you install it and change the settings for file types. Even the fairly devious installation routine for RealONE lets you do that.

    Don't rag on Quicktime just because you're too lazy to read the screens during the installation. Quicktime is a great player.

  21. logic? by matt4077 · · Score: 3, Funny

    complaining about a low download speed on slashdot is certainly the best way to improve it...

  22. Sudden? by Animus+Howard · · Score: 2, Funny


    > What is with the sudden onslaught of superhero movies?

    Yep, ever since Superman came out.

    In 1978.

    That's about the time special effects were making large leaps forward (no pun intended) and it was finally possible to make a realistic-looking flying man. The Superman tagline was "You'll believe a man can fly".

    Now we are seeing the results of a new generation of low-cost, high-power computers, which make realistic effect cheaper and cheaper.

    Superhero movies are a necessary result of Moore's Law.

  23. LXG Trailer by cptgrudge · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I went to see Daredevil this weekend, and I saw the trailer for this. One of my buddies next to me gasped and said, "Nooo! Sean Connery! Why? You don't need the money!" Then he started in with some fake weeping.

    I dunno. It doesn't look all that "extraordindary" to me. Just some slick CG from what I could see. In this day and age, the eye candy won't make the movie. Just look at Final Fantasy. My interest is piqued, I guess, but the trailer didn't convince me.

    Compare this with the X-Men 2 trailer that also played. Just as good of CG as LXG, but with a healthy dose of plot. I suppose it could be that it's already riding on the success of the first one, and perhaps they are going with the whole "mystery" thing to get word of mouth going. And maybe I'm also full of BS, but I think that even non-comic book readers would be more likely to see X2 instead of LXG. Too many acronyms?

    I'll reserve any final judgement (as if my opinion means anything) until I get more info on the plot. But many potentially good movies are bad because Hollywood thought they could dazzle moviegoers with distractions instead of paying attention to plot.

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  24. A trend for the times... by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Between LotR and all the comic-book films of the last few years, you'd think that the film industry has gone ga-ga over the simplistic "good vs. evil" genre. But you know what? It's actually a prefect fit for these times. The debate over war in Iraq, the neverending saga of Israel & Palestine, and the blackmailing tactics of North Korea all serve as focal points for this topic. Of course, the tone was set in W's State of the Union address last year, with the "Axis of Evil".

    Hollywood seems to follow a pack mentality at times, but this time I think they've actually hit the right cultural spot...

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    1. Re:A trend for the times... by bellings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The debate over war in Iraq

      Yep. Good versus evil right there, no doubt about it. Well, except for the "good" part.

      the neverending saga of Israel & Palestine

      Yep, once again it's good versus evil. Well, again, as long as you ignore the requirement for the "good" part.

      Why is it that if something or someone is evil (like Palistinian suicide bombers or Saddam Hussien) that makes anyone believe the opposition to those things is morally good?

      Iraq is run by a very, very bad man. That does nothing to provide any moral justification for killing another 250,000 iraqis to secure oil rights.

      Palistinian suicide bombers are evil. That does nothing to provide any moral justification for imposing martial law on Palistinians in Isreal, and it does not excuse fifty years of condemnable human rights abuses by the Isreali's.

      Stop looking at the world as black and white. Because, that point of view forces you to think that anything that's not "quite as evil" must somehow be "good." That way of looking at the world makes you into a moral cripple.

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  25. How are you Extraordinary Gentlemen !! by dissonant7 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What you say !!

  26. It's a comic by jcsehak · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a comic by Alan Moore (of From Hell fame) about a group of superheros who are literary figures - Captain Nemo, Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, etc.

    Personally I didn't care for the book (and I was blown away by "From Hell" (the comic, not the movie)). Maybe this'll be one time the movie is better than the book.

    Still waiting on movie adaptations of Bendis books. Goldfish, Jinx... Hollywood, I tap my foot in your general direction...

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    1. Re:It's a comic by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny
      Thank god the copyright on all these source works expired before the era of mandatory extensions.

      This will be impossible for the generation which follows us. I guess that means no blockbusters with Tom Clancy's characters turned loose to fight Mr. Bean on Jurassic park with Crockett and Tubbs.

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  27. I know it is dangerous to review a trailer but... by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To be honest, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is probably one of my less favorite Alan Moore comics, but I've never been a big fan of the genre of dumping a bunch of unrelated characters into a narrative. Perhaps the worst example is Young Indiana Jones in which kid wonder Jones bumps into every historical figure of the 20th century. People who realy think that an Aliens vs. Predator movie would be "cool" should be profoundly pittied. League does not have the rich exploration of diverse characters bound to a common fate that makes The Watchmen work nor does it have the political poetry of V for Vendetta or the raw mystical imagination of Promethia. V is probably the Alan Moore work I would most like to see translated to the silver screen and the least likely to be made.

    I will probably go see this for many of the same reasons that I saw Daredevil a movie about which the best I can say is that it didn't suck, and it enabled me to listen in on a funny conversation about Ben Afflec's chin afterwards. Perhaps this time I'll wait for the $2 theatre.

    From the trailer, we have an adaptation that isn't an adaptation. Part of the fun of the comic was the inside jokes on these Victorian characters put into a "Justice League" situation. The trailer delivers little more than "Blade" in 19th century England.

  28. Re:Seriously by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually I think it is more economic than anything else. I think we are past the post-Joel Schumacher/Batman and Robin backlash which iced the idea of comic book movies for a while. Then X-Men came along and, although flimsy, it went on to make big cash. From that Marvel was able to sell the rights to three of its biggest movies (Hulk, Daredevil, and Spiderman... along with franchising X-Men).

    This occured after 2000 (when X-Men was released and became a hit). Soon after that the rights were sold and all the projects entered the development stages (I remember the whispers appearing online and in publications like Wizard at the time), over a year before 9-11.

    Sure they might get more push now but you have to remember how long it takes for the movie industry to go from buying the rights on a movie to lining up the off-screen talent that will pick the on-screen talent to writing the screenplay... even before shooting starts.

    Take Daredevil. According to the Coming Attractions page on it, February 24, 2000 was the first time that Mark Johnson's (the director) name was attached to the project and July 13, 2000 when New Regency locked him in along with the Electra and Kingpin properties to make the movie. Over a year before WTC.

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  29. Mplayer and Quicktime on the web by SiChemist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have quicktime working in mplayer under linux and you use Mozilla for browsing, you might want to check this out:

    http://www.webfreetv.com/linux/

    Its a plugin that uses mplayer for quicktime on the web. It works pretty well for most of the trailers that I have tried it for. (Worked for this trailer, for instance)

    If you have another plugin that handles quicktime (I was using plugger, which seldom worked) you will have to locate the plugin, rename it (xxx.so.OLD or some such) edit pluggerrc (if you use that) and start Mozilla. This removes Mozilla's "dependence" on the old plugin. Then, you close Moz, add the new plugin, rename the old plugin (if you were using plugger) back to its original name and start Moz. It should work, then. I would advise patience when you first try it out as the plugin gives no indication that it's downloading the movie. Pick a small, low res version to start out with.

  30. boom bam formula by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2, Funny

    Crappy Adventure Movie. Looked like Rambo.

    Hollywood please meet plot, Plot; Hollywood.

  31. Speed by KillerHamster · · Score: 3, Funny

    And since I'm downloading at under 3k a second, I'll let others comment on it.

    Let me get this straight - your're dissatisfied with the speed at which you can download this thing, so what do you do? You LINK TO IT ON SLASHDOT? Do you understand CAUSE AND EFFECT???

  32. Just FYI by bogie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most people already know, but if your new to linux I'll mention it anyway. With Mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/

    the quicktime codecs and the Mplayer Plugin (there is one at mozdev.org but I haven't tried it)
    http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/

    You can easily watch quicktime movies in Mozilla. Not to mention many windows media files as well. It sucks to have to do a "workaround" but besides paying for the crossover plugin its your best bet for proprietary media types.

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  33. Saw it in front of Daredevil by neomiasma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I saw Daredevil yesterday, and the LXG trailer was there. I'm a little put off by the "X". Last I checked, Extraordinary started with an "E". I don't expect this movie to to do all that well, but I'll probably see it simply because it's got Sean Connery. When I was in college, my friends in I came up with a scale of whoop-ass for actors. It involved how many cans, cases, or kegs of whoop-ass an actor could open. Sean Connery earned the top spot as the Epitome of all Whoop-ass.

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  34. *Yawn* by Ryosen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You didn't miss much. The whole trailer looks pretty generic. They don't explain who the "League" is (B-Grade, classic literary characters turned superheroes), not even naming them. And what's with this "LXG" crap?

    The whole trailer looks like an X-Men 2 rip-off.

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  35. Victorian roadster? by PizzaFace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone's saying this movie is set in Victorian England. Queen Victoria ruled until 1901. That car, and the WWII-style German helmets, don't look "Victorian" to me.

    And besides the Victorian anachronisms, why is it never daytime there?

  36. Re:excellent! by Parsec · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the characters may not exactly have amazing powers, but they've definitely got a lot more going for them in terms of depth and charm

    That certainly didn't come across in the trailer! It looked like an invisible guy, a long haired guy with a gun, blond guy in a car with two pistols, Sean Connery punching some bad guy, and some scenery falling down. {yawn}

    ... but I'm sure they were restrained somewhat by the marketing department who insisted the preview feature Sean Connery saying something "witty".

  37. some others that should never be... by Rhinobird · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh...some other movies that shouldn't be made besides Aliens vs. Predator (which COULD be a REALLY cool movie)...

    Paul Atredies vs. Harry Seldon
    Borg vs. Vorlons
    Gremlins vs. The Littles
    MIB vs. Illuminati
    US vs. Iraq
    Tech Support vs. the Vast Horde o'Clueless
    Count Chocula vs. Lucky
    The Thing vs. the Blob
    IE vs. Opera (bork bork bork)

    Cats and dogs living together...TOTAL CHAOS!

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    1. Re:some others that should never be... by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 2, Funny
      Borg vs. the Vorlons. This actually could be moderately fascinating...

      Borg: Resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours.

      Vorlons: No.

      [Giant Explosions]

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    2. Re:some others that should never be... by jkubecki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, the Vorlons inability to provide a straight answer would make for a VERY short confrontation. Remember when Data came up with an endless loop/unsolvable math problem to disable the Borg? (I think it was something like 10 PRINT "Hello" 20 GOTO 10 or What's the value of Pi? or something like that.) Imagine what would happen if the Borg tried to understand what the Vorlons are saying...

      Borg: Resistance is futile.
      Vorlon: When the turtles are happy, the magnolias sing sweetly.
      All the Borg go to sleep
  38. Re:Heros? bah. by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand this need for heros, if indeed it truly exists. Does anyone else find the thought that Americans are so frail and weak minded that we need heros to comfort/inspire/nurture/motivate/whatever us, to be somewhat pathetic?

    Most find heroes inspiring. We look for the best qualities in our hereos that we hope to find in ourselves. Heroes remind us that the fight is worth fighting, and that in the end, generally, good does win over evil if the goal is worth sacrificing for.

    Not everyone believes this. I do. I think the motivations behind every day heroes (doing the right thing) is stronger than the motivations behind the bad guys (self gain), in general.

    To most persons, heroes don't represent any new ideals, rather, they affirm the deep convictions of those who admire them. This is not a bad thing in and of itself.

    Wanting to watch virtual heroes defeat the bad guys doesn't make me weak as an American. It reinforces the American ideal that ordinary persons can do extraordinary things when they do it for the right reasons.

    As a form of entertainment, I find this much more palatable and uplifting than "Faces of Death", "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" or "Scream".

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    Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
  39. Shit, Shit, and let's not forget, Shit. by JimPooley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nothing I had ever heard about this movie boded well, but the trailer is just absolutely diabolical.
    They've taken an intelligent well written comic by one of the masters of the genre and created a complete travesty!
    It looks absolutely fucking awful, a mad sub-matrix mindless special effects extravaganza.
    (Excuse me? Mina Murray coalesces from a swarm of bats? I think they missed a major point here in that she's not a fucking vampire!)

    Alan. Alan, why do you let them do this? Do you really need the money so much?

    When it comes on TV I may watch it if I have nothing better to do, but I'd not pay money to see this piece of shit, and I suspect anyone who enjoyed the comics will do likewise.

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    "Information wants to be paid"
  40. It's not just Moore by kid+zeus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The comic's pulp brilliance also relies upon Kevin O'Neil, the hyper-frenetic, stylistic artist who has brought us (along with writer Pat Mills) such sick-humor nightmares as Marshall Law (one of the original and best post-modern deconstructions of superheroes, but one all about the humor and the sado-masochism). Kevin got his start with British imprint AD 2000, responsible for such stalwarts as Judge Dread and Slaine, working with Pat on stuff like Warlock.

    I recommend LoEG the comic quite heartily (despite Ain't it Cool's support. . .even a stopped clock is right twice a day). It's written in the tradition of Philip Jose Farmer's Wold Newton books, where he takes such characters as Tarzan and Doc Savage and writes his own 'more realistic' adventures mixing them with other pulp heroes and villains. Moore can't use these characters due to our criminal copyright laws (he wanted to originally with the Twilight of the Superheroes series, the proposed DC book of which Kingdom Come was a very weak but direct rip-off) so he had to go back to earlier characters.

    For those with twisted humor and a high tolerance for violence, I especially recommend looking for the original graphic novel collection of Marshall Law, Marshall Law: Fear and Loathing.

    O'Neill's over-the-top art work is as detailed as Moore's references, and without it LoEG wouldn't be half the book that it is.

    Additionally, LoEG predates the show League of Gentlemen. As for the trailer, it looks fun, but also a bit sad as they felt the need to turn Mina Harker into a vampire. I suppose that's their idea of grrl power, the dumbest/most-hypocritical ploy in marketing history (baby, you've come a long way. . .not only can you smoke yourself into an early tomb, but now you can be as brain-dead violent as so many Neanderthal men!)

  41. LXG? Why the acronym? by SetarconeX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, I was never a regular reader of the comics, but I did have a healthy respect for them. So I cringed when they trotted out the giant glowing "LXG" logo.

    Where's the fun in that? The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen wouldn't use an acronym like that? In fact, I find it hard to swallow that ANY Victorian would use the letter "X" for extra. I guess they were just trying to make the logo not say "LEG."

    The clips in the background look good, but I worry that the trailer's missing the feel of the comic completely. Something about the entire thing just doesn't feel Victorian. To much of the overblown "action movie" music, possibly. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope they pull off this movie...

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    "Isn't that the sweetest little well-balanced undergraduate-level philosophy of life."
  42. One step closer to Watchmen by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this film is a success, it could move us all one step closer to "Watchmen."

    I think Pharmboy is totally correct in his assessment of "trying times," which closely parallells Adrian Veidt's thoughts near the 11th hour of Watchmen.

    . . . and I know a pretty good actor who will work for scale if you'll let him be in the movie.

  43. Re:Seriously by joshsisk · · Score: 2

    I am sure you are correct in saying that X-men opened up the door for more comic book hero movies, but the original post was about "heroes" in general, not just comic book heroes.

    Well, the original post was this: "What is with the sudden onslaught of superhero movies?"

    That sounds like a question about superheroes to me.

    That was my point, there were plenty of projects on the side that "looked good, but not good enough" that now look good enough, and we are just seeing the fruits, 18 months later.

    I'm sorry, you're just wrong. Spider-Man was already filming in January of 2001 (well before 9/11, it was finished with filming before 9/11), Daredevil was already in pre-production in August of 2001 (again, BEFORE 9/11), and I believe that Hulk was as well- I first read about the Hulk movie being directed by Ang Lee in the months after Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon came out here in the US (which was in 2000, I believe).

    The reason these products are getting made is because X-Men was very successful, NOT because of 9/11. These films were either already in production, or pre-production BEFORE 9/11. A big budget film like a superhero movie takes at least 2 years to make. Hell, Spike Lee's the 25th hour has no special effects, only a few main actors and was shot right after 9/11 and that JUST came out a month or so ago.

    This is just like what happened with various superhero films coming out in the wake of the success of Batman.

  44. Re:Alan Moore by Gibbys+Box+of+Trix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read it once, then read it again, in conjunction with this.
    I'm just about to start again with the annotated guide...