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Slashback: Intuit, Telemetry, Meetup

Slashback tonight brings you updates on TurboTax and your boot sector, NASA's plans beyond the shuttle, Barry Shein on spam, Linux telemetry, and more. Read on for the details!

I'd prefer an apology from the IRS. Rico writes "Intuit have spoken out about the CD-protection methods of their TurboTax software. According to them, the protection is harmless to computers and does not erase data. Despite the huge negative customer feedback, Intuit are still profiting from the product."

Train the dog, then never call the command. Mitch Wagner writes "Barry Shein, subject of this week's /. interview, proposes in "ISP Head Floats Plan To Legalize Spam" that spam is impossible to block, and so instead should be legitimized and regulated, with a central, not-for-profit company charged with collecting fees from spammers and distributing those fees to ISPs that receive the spam. Of course, there have been many other plans for charging spammers to send spam, but those plans mostly have the fees going to the ISP that sends the e-mail, or to the user that receives the mail, rather than the ISP that receives it and has to deliver it to the end-users. I'm the author of the piece I link to in this article."

Make big money as an open source telemetrist! For anyone who missed it in the Science section, there's a great followup to the Linux-based home-brewed weather balloon we recently featured: the OpenTRAC project is looking for help in building an APRS-like protocol. If that's gibberish to you, check out their introduction to the protocol to get an idea of how it's useful. Future experimenters will thank you.

One good deed escapes punishment. Psyiode writes with a link to this story at the Houston Chronicle which begins "Jurors needed only about 15 minutes to acquit a Houston man who was accused of hacking into the Harris County district clerk's wireless computer system in March. One juror, Helen Smith, 62, said she and the other jurors found that Stefan Puffer indeed hacked into the system but they did not believe he caused any damage as the government had alleged."

Puffer was arrested last summer for demonstrating that the county court's wireless LAN wasn't secure, and telling them about it.

Do we need manned spaceflight? Professor_Quail writes "The BBC has a story on NASA's plans for a successor to the Space Shuttle. From the article: Nasa has revealed its first set of mission criteria for the Orbital Space Plane (OSP) - the series of space vehicle expected to replace the space shuttle from 2012. The new spacecraft's primary function will be to ferry crews to and from the International Space Station (ISS) and serve as a lifeboat if the station has to be evacuated."

Or do you have other plans? Finally, rufo writes "For those of you brave enough to weather the elements and meet your fellow geek, don't forget that the Slashdot Meetup is this Thursday at 7PM your local time zone. I've been to a couple and there's some rather interesting characters that show up, and the conversations are quite engaging. Highly recommended if you have nothing better to do on a Thursday evening." Hmmm, must check to see if there's one around Knoxville ...

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  1. TurboTax by pyros · · Score: 4, Informative

    I emailed their PR contact, and posted their reply to both the original slashdot story and my journal.

    1. Re:TurboTax by bwhaley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, I am very surprised at that response. Rather than a typical form response, like most customer service areas, or no response at all, Intuit responded in a very professional way. Reading the paragraph at the bottom of his statement and the results of the test on the link at the bottom are convincingly positive. While the software does alter the boot sector, it doesn't seem to be in the interest of controlling their users' data. Rather, it seems to be a convenience to the customer. I won't disregard their software in the future; I'm always impressed by good customer service.

      In that respect, Ibex PC and Hamilton Beach customer service departments are also very helpful.

      Ben

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      "I either want less corruption, or more chance
      to participate in it." -- Ashleigh Brilliant
    2. Re:TurboTax by u19925 · · Score: 4, Informative
      product activation does write a small amount of data to an area of the first track of the hard disk that is not used by the Windows file system, as do a number of other programs and utilities...

      This technology in no way harms your hard drive or computer.

      This reply from TurboTax is self contradictory. First it says that activation writes to the same area as is done by other programs and utilities and then it says that this is not harmful. How? You are writing on my disk in an area that may be used by other utilities and programs (you acknowledge this in your reply) and that also without informing me or taking my consent. And still you have guts to say, this is harmless? How about reformatting my non-windows hard drive partitions? These too are not used by Windows File System. Wouldn't that be harmless too?

  2. I went with TaxCut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    After reading previous Slashdot posts regarding TurboTax activation and CDilla issues plus reviews from Walter Mossberg and others, I bought TaxCut this year.

    I was able to install on 2 machines and print forms from either one. I'm gonna file later this week, and I won't be doing it from the machine I did the original install on. Couldn't have done that with TurboTax. Only TaxCut gotcha is that the rental property assistant isn't that good at reading data from last year's TurboTax return.

  3. I tried out Intuit's TurboTax for Web... by rufo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seems pretty nice. The best part is, you don't have to pay a dime until you get to the printing/filing part, so you can try it out and see if it suits you. No DRM/platform hassles that I can see; it works in Safari, Chimera and Internet Explorer on my Mac OS X box. The basic version is only $20 (+ $15 for your state forms), which seems to be worth the hassle of puzziling over the IRS's forms and all the different classifications you could possibly fall under (I'm in a slightly odd situation though, so the 1040EZ may wind up being a cheaper choice if there's nothing funky you have to do...) Here's the link if people are interested: http://www.turbotax.intuit.com/welcome/perm/banner 11/welcome.htm.

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    My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
    1. Re:I tried out Intuit's TurboTax for Web... by jeffroe · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only problem I had with turbotax for the web is that it would not allow me to import my .tax files from my regular turbotax product I'd been using. I was going to use turbotax for the web this year since the turbotax wouldn't run inside my vmware this year due to the DRM. But, since I found out I could import my old turbotax data with taxcut, I promptly switched.

    2. Re:I tried out Intuit's TurboTax for Web... by Friday · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's funny, TurboTax ran inside vmware just fine for me. But, I haven't tried moving that vmware image to another machine yet...

  4. Re:More Intuit Crappyness by tzanger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you looked at Appgen? I am currently evaluating them as a Quickbooks/Quicken replacement, and even as a MySYS/AccPAC replacement. Multiplatform, modular, reads Quicken files natively, seems to know what a Canadian is... So far so good.

  5. Re:Proof of guilt... by base3 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This sort of thing is exactly the reason the best advice is to never speak with a member of law enforcement without an attorney present if you even think you are or will be accused of a crime.

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    One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
  6. Just wait'll next year, Intuit by retro128 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everyone I know who has bought Turbotax has done so before they knew about the full pain in the ass that this copy protection is. To these people, I have evangelized TaxCut, which I have used for my taxes this year. Most people's hangup is that they think that TaxCut can't bring in their previous year information from a TurboTax file, but it can.
    As far as the protection itself is concerned, I know I am preaching to the choir when I say that writing any kind of information to the MBR other than the day you format a disk or install a bootloader is a big no-no. Inuit is deluding themselves if they think this won't affect them in the long run.

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    -R
    1. Re:Just wait'll next year, Intuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I bought both Turbotax Plus and Turbotax Business. Corp taxes are due in March so I loaded TTBiz. After cleaning the advertising junk placed on my desktop, I ran the program and got "you must be connected to the internet to use this product". Jumping through their circuitous hoops, I found a phone number, which resulted in customer support saying "...if you don't trust the product, then don't use it." I bought Taxcut Personal and Business. Unfortunatly, the business product was not up to snuff. I havn't used Taxcut Personal yet but have heard that the Taxcut Personal product is much better than their Business product. A new thing this year for TurboTax is making the return available in PDF format. Reloading the program to print copys is no longer required. I hope Tax Cut does the same if future versions.

  7. Indicted, not arrested by rfmobile · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Puffer was arrested last summer for demonstrating that the county court's wireless LAN wasn't secure, and telling them about it."

    This is backwards. In March of last year Puffer told the county their wireless LAN was insecure. He then arranged a demonstration. Three or four months later he was indicted - not arrested - for wire fraud.

  8. Re:Really? by goatse.cx+guy · · Score: 0, Informative

    Don't worry. I'm busy at a photo shoot on that evening.

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    I'll be your brown eyed girl.

  9. Who the hell is pctest.com? by AintTooProudToBeg · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.pctest.com/intuit/test.htm

    The top of this page says:

    Turbo Tax Uninstalls Fully....Pass

    Then below it says:
    TurboTax was not uninstalled completely, some files and registry entries...

  10. Turbotax for the web for Free as in beer by borcharc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Intuit will let you use Turbotax for the web for Free as in beer and efile for free if you have a AGI of $27,000 or less, or can claim the earned income tax credit. That is state and fed forms and efileing.

  11. Re:Nobody knocks boots at C-M tho ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Oh puhlease. Little known but true fact about CMU: it's the nation's leading drama school, and has a damn good fine arts program as well. We're not all geeks here.

  12. Re:Oh yeah, I have to get an early start this year by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Informative

    You do know that you can get every form as a PDF at the IRS website don't you?

  13. Re:Bootloader questions unanswered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    My system uses LILO to boot Windows 98 or Suse Linux on the secondary disk. I installed and used Turbotax, and have not had any problems with booting either operating system.

    However, I have had problems with Turbotax crashing the system when it attempts to go on-line for activation and updates. I had to use the "telephone activation" process.

    This year's version of Turbotax seems to me to be harder to use, and has less tax help, than it has been in previous years. There used to be a lot of tax help included with the program. The new version sends you to an on-line "Tax Adviser" for questions -- at extra cost.

    Next year I'll be using something else.