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Using Visible Light for Data Transfer

James Evans writes "Wired has an article about a New Zealand company which has developed a technology to transmit data at speeds up to 400Mbps up to 4km. They are working to have it more resistant to changes in weather, as well as increasing the distance. It has a number of advantages, including lack of federal regulation of the spectrum, as it is of course, visible light." In related terrestrial networking news, waytoomuchcoffee writes "Science Blog reports that the backbone for the World's Fastest Network is up and running. It's a fiber optic 40 gigabit per second connection between Chicago and LA. Teragrid is a project by the National Science Foundation designed to link up supercomputer centers."

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  1. Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How long do you suppose the lack of federal regulation will last?

    1. Re:Federal Regulation by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Forever
      Reason?
      People will use headlights for another 50 years...Lights will be integral part of cities... Unless they ban flashing of lights.... this cant be outlawed
      Consider this, when you flash your lights to an oncoming vehical, you are conveying information, or atleast acknowleding its presense, the tech was already there, its the 400 MBPs that is wow!

      But I wonder how robust or secure is this.... can an airplane with flashing lights bring down your server.....?

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    2. Re:Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course this can be regulated: "Transmission of information across property lines by technical means must follow the following regulations: bla bla." Just like with WiFi you could simply avoid premature outcry by having strict rules but lax enforcement (as long as no big business gets hurt).

    3. Re:Federal Regulation by CyberDruid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Consider this, when you flash your lights to an oncoming vehical, you are conveying information
      Consider this, when you flash your tits to an oncoming vehicle, you are also conveying information.
      Yet there are sometimes laws against it.

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    4. Re:Federal Regulation by cyb97 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only illegal, but pretty dumb as the houses would have a different grounding and therefore the ethernet cable you've dropped between the houses could end up as the grounding for one of the houses (remember that part about current always taking the easiest route from HS?).
      If you want to have your computer/network equipment fried, go ahead and drop what ever you like out the window.
      To be on the safe side, drop wireless or optical out the window as optical cables doesn't transmit electricity...

    5. Re:Federal Regulation by Jim+Morash · · Score: 4, Informative

      uhhhh... ethernet is transformer-isolated, no?

  2. Hmmmm.... by roomisigloomis · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, I guess we can finally have mirrors that are mirrors? Excellent!!!

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  3. Visible light regulation by quintessent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some places do have ordinances against light pollution. I wonder how this would fit in. Also, will it come with a warning, such as "Do not look at transmitter with remaining good eye"?

    1. Re:Visible light regulation by ctid · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, you could read the article. It's just an LED.

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    2. Re:Visible light regulation by mpe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some places do have ordinances against light pollution. I wonder how this would fit in.

      Usually "light pollution" is considered to be lighting up the sky.

      Also, will it come with a warning, such as "Do not look at transmitter with remaining good eye"?

      The system uses LEDs not lasers.

  4. flashlight by soul_hk · · Score: 5, Funny

    they better be careful at 400mbps, they may break the switch on their flashlight.

    http://hksoul.myftp.org/

  5. Fiber Optics? by CoolQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't this just sound like fiber optics without the fiber?
    I seem to remember this being done a long time ago. I've got an electronics book with a schematic for a serial 28k transmitter using visible light.
    --Quentin

    1. Re:Fiber Optics? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doesn't this just sound like fiber optics without the fiber?

      There is one critical difference: ease of installation. Installing a fiber optic line is really cumbersome, since it involves lots and lots of digging.

      This could really be something for high speed communications infrastructures. Take cities: digging is hard, and radiowaves pletiful, even so much as to people being afraid of them.

      Pigeons could be a problem though ;)

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    2. Re:Fiber Optics? by fredrikj · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pigeons could be a problem though ;)

      Not if you use sufficiently powerful lasers >:)

  6. Red Light Destrict by Chokma · · Score: 5, Funny

    The LED-color should be chosen according to the content transferred... users sharing pr0n via P2P could build their own red-light-destrict! --- I wonder if powerful LEDs will attract insects and such - the connection speed could be reduced drastically by bugs.

  7. Re:is anyone else thinking... by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was thinking that we'll have really fast semaphore flags next.

    The problem is really tired arms.

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  8. Yeah, but more like ultra high speed morse code by Cappy+Red · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except with morse code, I believe, you have to find the right frequency. Not much of a problem, but likely harder to find than a little light strobing across the street. Then there's the rather obvious quote from the article

    On the other hand, bad weather, or anything that might block the light's path, can cause slowdowns or power failures.

    "File transfer failed: Code 75(flock of seagulls)"

    *honk*

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  9. Cool by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a cool technology clean, high performant, low infrastructure, does not slice limbs off or create two headed babies. This should make it a very attractive sell to commerce and to the public

    I would have some security concerns though since it makes it a lot easier for those of malicious intent to intercept the signal as its basically being broadcast in the open. The technology would seem to lend itself naturally to strong encryption though.

    I think they could be onto something big here.

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  10. Similar stuff... by Zapper · · Score: 5, Informative
    also check out Ronja.

    Ronja (Reasonable Optical Near Joint Access) is an Open-Source project of optical point-to-point data link. The design is released under the GNU Public License: you get all the necessary documentation and construction guides free.
    It works at 10Mb at up to 1Km.
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  11. Re:Lack of regulation by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like a VERY nice system for short-range, non-critical communictaions, but personally, I can't think of any points I would want to communicate to where I have line-of-sight...

    They give an example in the article. Where you need to communicate across a public road. (N.B. in New Zealand "motorway" means any surfaced road.)
    Indeed any case where you need to communicate between several buildings fairly close together. Digging a cable trench is very expensive.

    If I could get an inexpensive device that could communicate for about 10 miles, I would certainly get several.

    They estimate that it can do up to 11km. With a single repeater 16km sounds plausable.

  12. Re:Lack of regulation by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see it now, "Madam, you will please raise your hands in the air and *slowly* remove yourself from the exercise bike. Your metabolic rate is in violation of FCC regulations for unlicensed devices."

    A few years ago I designed and built from scratch an infrared based automatic timing and scoring system for racing cars. The advantage over the current radio frequency transponder systems was that it required no modifications to the physical plant ( such as having to bury a cable under the track surface). You could set it up anywhere, at any time.

    The limitations because of the line of sight requirement proved intractable in practice though. While I still use my system for track testing, and find it superiour to rf systems for such under "standard conditions" ( especially with an IR laser as the light source) I have had to abandon the project as impracticable for real world application in actually scoring races.

    Obviously network systems based on similar technologies will face the same, or similar, limitations.

    "Yeah, the network went down. Flock of pigeons again."

    KFG

  13. Pringles Can Replaced by Bedroom Mirror by insane8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, I won't have to buy more crappy pringles in order to steal credit card numbers.. I already own a mirror..

  14. IR is safer than visable! (Also IR not regulated) by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A very important point is that Infra Red light is absorbed by the cornia (outside) of the eye and dosnt penatrate to the retina where it can cause real damage. Visable light does penetrate (obviously) to the retina and WILL fuck your eyes up. I've worked with IR lasers for a few years, they are much safer than visable light devices.

    Also saying use of visable light avoids licencing isues is a bit misleading.
    As to my knowlage, no country regulates visable, IR or even UV unless in lasers (or other sources) where they may get to the powers likey to cause physical danger (not very relavent here, less so with IR rather than visable light).

    Put your hand up if you need a licence for your IR TV remote controal!

    Anyway, a practical solution would be to use lasers of differnet wavelengths and swich to the correct one depending on weatehr conditions. EG fog attenuates some wavlengths strongly, rain scatters a differnt set of wavelengths more readily, etc (As a crude example, consider the different wavelenghs reaching your eyes from the sun in these different weather conditions)

    This technique of swithing to the most aproprate wavelength for the conditions is used in army laser range finders.

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  15. (here here)...Re:already available and widely used by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 5, Informative

    It I am not sure how this is article bestows very interesting or novel information. Granted, the article mentions the wavelengths used are "visible", and "red". My guess is that they are emitting somewhere between 600 and 800 nm (typical visibly range is from 400 nm (purpleish) to 700 nm (red) however this is not a strict cut off, and if bright enough, even above 830 nm is visiblish).

    Most telecom takes place at about 1550 nm, well into the infrared, but this is primarily because the typical fiber has nice properties in this range (absorption and dispersion). Therefore I am not sure there is much fundamental difference between infrared light telecom and visible telecom. Indeed they use very similar laser material (GaAs-based or InP-based diodes), are modulated the same way, etc.

    Possibly this is neat because it is free-space optical stuff. However this (as pointed out previously) is not new. There are companies that are in place as we speek. Maybe deregulation may be of interest, but if the light it kept at the same wavelength as in fiber, then there is no need for an electronic klugey transceiver (detect the light in the fiber at 1550nm and drive a laser to re-emit the same signal at 6xx nm). Instead, an add-drop filter could be slapped on to the end, pick off the right wavelength, and feed that to a fiber which could be collimated as the source. This collimated beam then could travel over kilometers with no trouble. An all optical solution has a much

    just a thought

  16. 400Mb? 1 Gb is old news. by subreality · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free air optical networking isn't really a new idea. Infrared units are pretty common. I'm not sure what supposed advantage using visible light has over infrared... IR isn't regulated (at least in the US, I can't imagine that it would be anywhere).

    I investigated this for networking a couple of buildings my company had near together. Pretty cool stuff. You could get a gigabit connection over a few km of thin air. Cheaper units did 155Mb and for dirt cheap you could get 10Mb. Short range units used LEDs. Longer range ones used lasers.

    I've been wondering why consumer ISP's haven't taken to this yet. It's a great last mile solution.

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  17. Re:A great idea by olethrosdc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    >Consider this, most cellphones around the world >operate at 1500MHZ and so have a seemingly >impressive maximum THEORECTICAL data transfer >rate of 750Mbits/sec.

    So what if they operate at 1500MHz? It is the bandwidth that is important. Example: Radio stations operate at 90-110MHz range. But each one has a bandwidth of around 30Khz.

    So, first of all, the cellphones have a bandwidth allocated within a frequency range around 1.5Ghz. Let's take GSM, which is the most widely used standard:

    The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which manages the international allocation of radio spectrum (among other functions) allocated the bands 890-915 MHz for the uplink (mobile station to base station) and 935-960 MHz for the downlink (base station to mobile station) for mobile networks in Europe. Since this range was already being used in the early 1980s by the analog systems of the day, the CEPT had the foresight to reserve the top 10 MHz of each band for the GSM network that was still being developed. Eventually, GSM will be allocated the entire 2x25 MHz bandwidth.

    In case you don't understand, it is simple. If you have a single signal at 1.5Ghz frequency, you could get a data rate equalling half the frequency. However when you transmit data you basically cause side-frequencies to appear in your spectrum. Do not assume that just because the system transmits at the base frequency of 1.5Ghz that the signal spectrum will be just a point at 1.5Ghz and 0 everywhere else. The spectrum will spread. If you use up all your possible bandwidth the spectrum will take up all the frequencies from 0 to 1.5Ghz.

    Furthermore, consider the fact that there are many cellphones, sharing infrastructure. The protocol does both time-division and frequency-division multiplexing. While a *single* cellphone could perhaps work with a station at .75Gbit, this ceases to be the case when you add a few thousand cellphones. The band is subdivided to a pre-specified number of sub-bands - not only that, but there is also some time-division multiplexing going on, with each cellphone only doing rx/tx at a fraction of the total time.

    Of course, the same is true for all electromagnetic wave devices.

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  18. Already done at Xerox PARC by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just read about this the other day in the book "Dealers of Lightning" (page 140). While they were developing the laser printer in the 70's, some of the researchers had to move to a different building 1KM away. They had line of sight between the two locations, so they rigged up a system of lasers and photodetectors to bridge their network between the two buildings.

    The beam went over a public highway, and after one woman went into a ditch after it startled her one foggy morning, they coarsened the beam to make it invisible.

  19. Interesting anecdote by arvindn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Andy Tanenbaum's "Computer Networks" book talks about how this could go wrong.

    They tried it in a conference. They wanted to telecast conference proceedings in a building some distance away using this method. They set up this equipment, tested everything the night before the opening day, works perfectly.

    First day of conference. No signal. The receiver didn't see the transmitter at all. Total flop.

    So they checked it thoroughly again that night. Everything was still working fine.

    Next morning: same story. No signal.

    This repeated on all 3 days of the conference.

    Organizers were left scratching their heads. Funny part is, it worked at night and failed at day without their touching anything. Sabotage? The devil??

    Later they found it was because the light beam was getting bent in daytime due the temperature gradient (same way that mirages occur). Poof.

    Of course, these are just problems that will inevitably occur when a technology is in its nascent phase, I'm sure it'll get ironed out as it goes commercial.

    The article talks about rain and fog, but is silent on the sunlight issue.

  20. Infra red eye safety by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of infrared (IR) lasers (common examples are Nd:YAG or Ti:sapphire) operate in the near infrared

    Yep, you are right. Some near IR wavelengths will be let through the cornea, and you wont have the blink reflex to protect your eye. However, this is slightly misleeding as the vast majority of IR (at wavelenghts a little further from the visable) is safe. Especially at the power levels discussed here.

    The only time it decomes dangerous is when the IR light is strong enough to heat the cornea!

    For example, at 1.55 microns (wavelength most suited to optical fibre) the British Standard guidelines state the maximum permisable exposure to the eye at this wavelength is the same as skin. In simple laymans terms, it has to be strong enough to burn flesh (skin or eye) before it will damage the eye!

    Of couse, the real bastard lasers are UV. A fairly dangerous wavelength (suntan anyone) that you cant see. Not good for your eyes either!

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