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Using Visible Light for Data Transfer

James Evans writes "Wired has an article about a New Zealand company which has developed a technology to transmit data at speeds up to 400Mbps up to 4km. They are working to have it more resistant to changes in weather, as well as increasing the distance. It has a number of advantages, including lack of federal regulation of the spectrum, as it is of course, visible light." In related terrestrial networking news, waytoomuchcoffee writes "Science Blog reports that the backbone for the World's Fastest Network is up and running. It's a fiber optic 40 gigabit per second connection between Chicago and LA. Teragrid is a project by the National Science Foundation designed to link up supercomputer centers."

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  1. Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How long do you suppose the lack of federal regulation will last?

    1. Re:Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably until the sun burns out or something.

    2. Re:Federal Regulation by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Forever
      Reason?
      People will use headlights for another 50 years...Lights will be integral part of cities... Unless they ban flashing of lights.... this cant be outlawed
      Consider this, when you flash your lights to an oncoming vehical, you are conveying information, or atleast acknowleding its presense, the tech was already there, its the 400 MBPs that is wow!

      But I wonder how robust or secure is this.... can an airplane with flashing lights bring down your server.....?

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    3. Re:Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course this can be regulated: "Transmission of information across property lines by technical means must follow the following regulations: bla bla." Just like with WiFi you could simply avoid premature outcry by having strict rules but lax enforcement (as long as no big business gets hurt).

    4. Re:Federal Regulation by TheMidget · · Score: 3, Informative
      Transmission of information across property lines by technical means must follow the following regulations

      Sounds awfully like the old telecom's monopolies in Europe (hanging an ethernet cable out of your window and into your neighbor's for a LAN party was illegal, because only the state operated telecoms had the right to establish communications across property lines), and has AFAIK nothing to do with usage of spectrum. Encroaching on a frequency that is not you are not licensed to use is illegal, even if both (intended) endpoints of communication are on the same property.

    5. Re:Federal Regulation by CyberDruid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Consider this, when you flash your lights to an oncoming vehical, you are conveying information
      Consider this, when you flash your tits to an oncoming vehicle, you are also conveying information.
      Yet there are sometimes laws against it.

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    6. Re:Federal Regulation by jglazko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't laugh. There has been a push in place, for a while now, to regulate the type, and hence the color of light, of streetlamps near optical observatories. Reason? Something to do with interference to the observatory's ability to view the heavens. I happen to think this is a good reason. Some may not. But regulation of visible light may go further than you think.

    7. Re:Federal Regulation by GregWebb · · Score: 2

      Hamburg law bans flickering lights in public. Used it to stop some Beatles commemorative event a few years back.

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    8. Re:Federal Regulation by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Interesting
      People will use headlights for another 50 years...Lights will be integral part of cities... Unless they ban flashing of lights.... this cant be outlawed
      In some places (Connecticut, and Britain, I think, and surely others) it is illegal to flash your headlights at another motorist to warn him of a speed trap. Outrageous but true! For some reason it is this particular law, rather than anything about copyrights or encryption or wiretapping, which suggests to me the slow drift towards a police state.
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    9. Re:Federal Regulation by cyb97 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only illegal, but pretty dumb as the houses would have a different grounding and therefore the ethernet cable you've dropped between the houses could end up as the grounding for one of the houses (remember that part about current always taking the easiest route from HS?).
      If you want to have your computer/network equipment fried, go ahead and drop what ever you like out the window.
      To be on the safe side, drop wireless or optical out the window as optical cables doesn't transmit electricity...

    10. Re:Federal Regulation by Jim+Morash · · Score: 4, Informative

      uhhhh... ethernet is transformer-isolated, no?

    11. Re:Federal Regulation by nolife · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My friend in HS got a ticket for flashing his headlights at another vehicle in small town, PA. He was doing it to alert another driver of an up coming speed trap. I was not in court with him but bottom line was turning them off and back on was considered driving at night without your headlights on, flashing the high beams was considered reckless because the oncoming traffic was "too close". People flash headlights all the time for various reasons and probably never get a ticket, I guess flashing them with intent to warn about police ahead was enough for a small town cop to give a ticket for and a small town magistrate to enforce it.

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    12. Re:Federal Regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Consider this, when you flash your tits to an oncoming vehicle, you are also conveying information.

      I'm sorry, I missed the message. Please repeat.

    13. Re:Federal Regulation by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

      The astronomers push for using sodium vapor lamps that exhibit a very narrow emission spectrum. Very nearly all of the light is concentrated in two very close together spectral lines - hence they can easily filter out all of the streetlights with a simple filter.

      The more common mercury vapor lights have a much broader emission spectrum, therefore making filtering out their light much more difficult.

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    14. Re:Federal Regulation by damiangerous · · Score: 2, Informative
      In some places (Connecticut, and Britain, I think, and surely others) it is illegal to flash your headlights at another motorist to warn him of a speed trap. Outrageous but true!

      Are you aware that the link you provided says the exact opposite of what you claim?

    15. Re:Federal Regulation by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know the local law enforcement gets away with it but to me it still does not seem justified. That's like telling someone not to steal and being charged with obstruction. They are not doing any justice until after they catch you actually speeding. You flashing your lights at a motorist does not automatically mean that the driver was even speeding or breaking any law to begin with and even if they were, the police would have to prove it first. Now if they are chasing the speeder after the fact and you get in the cops way they have a reason to charge you. Why don't they charge every person with a CB that discusses where the police are? What if you stood up the road with a sign in your hand? What about a local radio station that announces it? Can they hand out fines for that? A locality that has a practice like this has the wrong idea of what a speed limit is for. Speeding tickets, limits and fines are not supposed to be income for the police and communities, they are there to promote safety. The goal is to provide police presence and get you to slow down in areas that need extra attention. Targeting individual cars or ticketing someone who might be warning someone to slow down does not meet that goal and really does not make any sense at all. Areas that treat it as income probably have artifically low speed limits that make it even worse.

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  2. Hmmmm.... by roomisigloomis · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, I guess we can finally have mirrors that are mirrors? Excellent!!!

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  3. Visible light regulation by quintessent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some places do have ordinances against light pollution. I wonder how this would fit in. Also, will it come with a warning, such as "Do not look at transmitter with remaining good eye"?

    1. Re:Visible light regulation by ctid · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, you could read the article. It's just an LED.

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    2. Re:Visible light regulation by mpe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some places do have ordinances against light pollution. I wonder how this would fit in.

      Usually "light pollution" is considered to be lighting up the sky.

      Also, will it come with a warning, such as "Do not look at transmitter with remaining good eye"?

      The system uses LEDs not lasers.

    3. Re:Visible light regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The contrast with ambient light is presumably greatly increased by using a very narrow band filter which only passes the wavelength range emitted by the LED and looking for signals oscillating at the correct frequency, so it doesn't have to be visible to the naked eye at 4km.

  4. flashlight by soul_hk · · Score: 5, Funny

    they better be careful at 400mbps, they may break the switch on their flashlight.

    http://hksoul.myftp.org/

  5. First Light? by YellowSnow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Packet loss due to snow storm?

    1. Re:First Light? by rasjani · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This actually allready happens...

      ... with satellite signals.

      It is not even rare (atleast with biggest finnish cable provider). They are receiveing the signal via satellite most likely and when there's heavy snowstorm or rains, picture quality is really bad in some cases. So, anyone with cabledish themselves can verify this also ;)

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  6. Lack of regulation by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    LAck of regulation is nice, but is there really a lot of regulation for InfraRed and UltraViolet?

    It sounds like a VERY nice system for short-range, non-critical communictaions, but personally, I can't think of any points I would want to communicate to where I have line-of-sight... If I could get an inexpensive device that could communicate for about 10 miles, I would certainly get several.

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    1. Re:Lack of regulation by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sounds like a VERY nice system for short-range, non-critical communictaions, but personally, I can't think of any points I would want to communicate to where I have line-of-sight...

      They give an example in the article. Where you need to communicate across a public road. (N.B. in New Zealand "motorway" means any surfaced road.)
      Indeed any case where you need to communicate between several buildings fairly close together. Digging a cable trench is very expensive.

      If I could get an inexpensive device that could communicate for about 10 miles, I would certainly get several.

      They estimate that it can do up to 11km. With a single repeater 16km sounds plausable.

    2. Re:Lack of regulation by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can see it now, "Madam, you will please raise your hands in the air and *slowly* remove yourself from the exercise bike. Your metabolic rate is in violation of FCC regulations for unlicensed devices."

      A few years ago I designed and built from scratch an infrared based automatic timing and scoring system for racing cars. The advantage over the current radio frequency transponder systems was that it required no modifications to the physical plant ( such as having to bury a cable under the track surface). You could set it up anywhere, at any time.

      The limitations because of the line of sight requirement proved intractable in practice though. While I still use my system for track testing, and find it superiour to rf systems for such under "standard conditions" ( especially with an IR laser as the light source) I have had to abandon the project as impracticable for real world application in actually scoring races.

      Obviously network systems based on similar technologies will face the same, or similar, limitations.

      "Yeah, the network went down. Flock of pigeons again."

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    3. Re:Lack of regulation by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I could get an inexpensive device that could communicate for about 10 miles,

      Well off the top of my head I'd say that if you made a device like a colimater which is basicaly t telescope the light is shined thru backwards it would greatly increse the range. All of the light would be packed into a beam, Mirrors up to 10 inches in diameter and accurate to 1/10 wave are available. This would send a beam 10 inches in dia so any obstructions from snow would be much less likely. Amature astromomers make their own mirror, some times as large as 18 inches in dia. after that its a matter of just pumping enough power thru the thing.

      The thing wouldn't be completely reliable, but I'd bet that when the system goes down the weather would be so bad that not many people would be at work anyways.

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    4. Re:Lack of regulation by radish · · Score: 2, Informative

      Last time I was there roads were called, in general, "roads". A Motorway (this is the same naming as the UK, where I assume it came from) is equivalent to a US Freeway or German Autobahn.

      As another FYI, when I was last there, there was only one Motorway in the whole of NZ :)

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    5. Re:Lack of regulation by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      "They estimate that it can do up to 11km. With a single repeater 16km sounds plausable."

      yeah, but when will it transmit miles? ;)

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  7. Fiber Optics? by CoolQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't this just sound like fiber optics without the fiber?
    I seem to remember this being done a long time ago. I've got an electronics book with a schematic for a serial 28k transmitter using visible light.
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    1. Re:Fiber Optics? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Doesn't this just sound like fiber optics without the fiber?

      There is one critical difference: ease of installation. Installing a fiber optic line is really cumbersome, since it involves lots and lots of digging.

      This could really be something for high speed communications infrastructures. Take cities: digging is hard, and radiowaves pletiful, even so much as to people being afraid of them.

      Pigeons could be a problem though ;)

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    2. Re:Fiber Optics? by fredrikj · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pigeons could be a problem though ;)

      Not if you use sufficiently powerful lasers >:)

    3. Re:Fiber Optics? by agedman · · Score: 2, Funny
      Not if you use sufficiently powerful lasers

      Actually, this becomes a feature: feed the homeless, reduce the pigeon population and communicate data. What more could you ask?

      I see a patent here someplace.

    4. Re:Fiber Optics? by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but you then lose the opportunity to use RFC1149 encapsulated datagrams as a backup service for during the migration season.

    5. Re:Fiber Optics? by watzinaneihm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One more difference would be that a fibre channel is protected from external interference (well,almost). But with an open wire, we got to worry about refractive effect of air, ie you got a beam pointed north, sun is shining from east, but still sunrays get to your receiver cause air turns em around, causing signal loss/noise. You probably will have to use some stronger filters.
      Then again you probably will have more attenuation, fibre channels being solid and these beams having to pass through air (containing dust etc.)

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  8. Red Light Destrict by Chokma · · Score: 5, Funny

    The LED-color should be chosen according to the content transferred... users sharing pr0n via P2P could build their own red-light-destrict! --- I wonder if powerful LEDs will attract insects and such - the connection speed could be reduced drastically by bugs.

    1. Re:Red Light Destrict by ciscoeng · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just don't use ultraviolet. Then you'd have a 4Km bug-zapper.

  9. Fiber Optics by GeckoFood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have been streaming voice data over fiber-optic lines for a while now, and even digital data signals for networking. This sounds like fiber-optic transmission without the actual fiber-optic line! Very cool, indeed.

    Perhaps this is the future of truly wireless computing?

    One thing the article states is that the current range is about 11 km. This seems a little short. However, considering this is a line-of-sight type of thing, that does make sense. Give 'em time, and they'll get it down to hundres of miles with good reliability, and then I think we'd see a bit move towards it for WAN technology and business usage.

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    1. Re:Fiber Optics by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

      sorry it's never go over the horizon, if go can't see there with your own eyes it wouldn't go. putting the transmitter and recievers up on towers and repeaters will help but it's still line-of-sight. it's cool for "last mile" stuff but probably no-good for long-haul

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    2. Re:Fiber Optics by dusty123 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I wonder that such projects did not emerge earlier. We experimented with a wireless laser link some time ago. You can have a look at our Laserlink

      Well, we just shut the laser on and off and did not modulate, anyway speeds of > 1Gbit should be possible with this simple technology. The problems of this design are the adjustment, free line of sight (weather, insects, birds), eye safety, other light sources (sun!) and a very sensitive receiver circuit.

      The maximum range is infinite but it can be limited by the protocol (e.g. Ethernet) due to collision windows.

  10. Re:is anyone else thinking... by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was thinking that we'll have really fast semaphore flags next.

    The problem is really tired arms.

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  11. Yeah, but more like ultra high speed morse code by Cappy+Red · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except with morse code, I believe, you have to find the right frequency. Not much of a problem, but likely harder to find than a little light strobing across the street. Then there's the rather obvious quote from the article

    On the other hand, bad weather, or anything that might block the light's path, can cause slowdowns or power failures.

    "File transfer failed: Code 75(flock of seagulls)"

    *honk*

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    1. Re:Yeah, but more like ultra high speed morse code by offpath3 · · Score: 3, Funny
      "File transfer failed: Code 75(flock of seagulls)"

      Actually, what about interference from RFC 1149 network (a physical layer network run over trained pidgeons)?

    2. Re:Yeah, but more like ultra high speed morse code by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry; with enough power, the signal can punch through any such interference.

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    3. Re:Yeah, but more like ultra high speed morse code by t0ny · · Score: 2, Funny
      "File transfer failed: Code 75(flock of seagulls)"

      Why would having a bad haircut cause a data interruption?

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  12. Cool by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a cool technology clean, high performant, low infrastructure, does not slice limbs off or create two headed babies. This should make it a very attractive sell to commerce and to the public

    I would have some security concerns though since it makes it a lot easier for those of malicious intent to intercept the signal as its basically being broadcast in the open. The technology would seem to lend itself naturally to strong encryption though.

    I think they could be onto something big here.

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  13. Similar stuff... by Zapper · · Score: 5, Informative
    also check out Ronja.

    Ronja (Reasonable Optical Near Joint Access) is an Open-Source project of optical point-to-point data link. The design is released under the GNU Public License: you get all the necessary documentation and construction guides free.
    It works at 10Mb at up to 1Km.
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    1. Re:Similar stuff... by bjpirt · · Score: 2, Informative
      It works at 10Mb at up to 1km
      which is amazing really when you take a look at this

      might have to give it a try.
  14. Bandwidth stealing... by Lovepump · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...using nothing more than a prism.

    They wouldn't even know you where there!

  15. already available and widely used by g4dget · · Score: 2

    Fixed wireless communications based on lasers are already available commercially, and have been for a number of years. Do some searching on Google.

  16. Re:Disadvantages... by blixel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Security?

    That was the first thing that occured to me when I read the post. It will probably be like everything else. First comes the technology, then years later everyone slaps themselves on the forhead for not thinking of making it secure from the beginning. Like Telnet, FTP, POP, 802.11, IM's, etc.....

  17. One of several FSO plays... by toybuilder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doing Free Space Optics isn't new. It's been done for many years now, although primarily with laser-based systems.

    I work for a company that is currently developing a LED-based FSO system -- Omnilux.

    The big push now in the FSO market is to find the right balance between performance and cost. Too many companies were trying too hard to push data longer distance, then faster, costs be damned.

  18. Re:A great idea by Dunark · · Score: 2, Informative

    FYI, visible light is roughly 400 to 700 terahertz.

  19. Re:A great idea by Kjellander · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Consider this, most cellphones around the world operate at 1500MHZ and so have a seemingly impressive maximum THEORECTICAL data transfer rate of 750Mbits/sec. Unfortunately due to physical contraints on modulation systems a good rule of thumb is that the actual data rate provided is about 1/2000 of this and so we end up with around 375 Kbits/sec that is just coming out with 3G systems.

    You should really read up on communications theory, especially the basic stuff done by Shannon, Nyqvist and all the others.

    The theoretical limit for a digital signal modulated in a perfect noiseless analog channel is infinity for any frequency! Where you get your numbers from I have no idea but they are totally incorrect!

    And if you hava a noisy channel the theoretical maximum is dependent on the bandwidth and the noise, nothing else. And just because a signal hase a basefrequency of 1.5 GHz doesn't mean that it has a bandwidth of 1.5 GHz. Go check, all mobile phones have a much, much smaller bandwidth. We are talking orders of magnitude here.

  20. Re:Disadvantages... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think a video camera would achive much, unless you have a video camera that can record over 400 million fps.

  21. nostalgic by lingqi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    reminds me of a slashdot story a while back about a group of people that was able to get your data transfer by looking at your (external) modem's LED.

    I mean, same thing except, well, faster...

    The cool part, though, is that now the router's status LEDs are actually good for something. You can theoretically face two routers toward eachother and that's IT! done! until some idiot walks between them. ha!

    but really though, The thing with radio we seem to not be able to do with light yet is frequency modulation. If we can do that, I think we can push some very serious bandwidth through this spectrum.

    The data-hiding possibilities are immense. you can technically send humongous amouts of data through a TV set, even, if it was made of as many LEDs as there are pixels, and by varying the each LED just ever-so-slighly. You can be watching the TV for pictures, and your Aibo would be sitting beside you, downloading zillions of bytes of data, and gaining consciousness (sorry just watched the animatrix, heh).

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  22. Lighwave pollution? by Aropax20 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My first thought was about the possible effect on the lightwaves from thousands of blinkenlights if this became the next really big thing...

    But after reading the article, and seeing how they'd use LEDs (they don't say how big though), and the bandwidths involved, the lights would seem to be constanly on, do you think?

    That'd mean no real lightwave pollution (it's all line-of-sight) and little visual pollution or distractions due to thousands of flashing lights?

    Of course, I still have to wonder about the effects of different weather. I see it'll still work with a hand moving in front of it, but what about heavy smog days, or blizzards? Would torrential rain make problems with light refraction??

    I guess it beats training swallows to carry coconuts engraved with data packets from rooftop to rooftop (they could grip 'em by the 'usks)

    Hats off to the Kiwis for this one though, it sounds pretty exciting :)

    Woohoo! I can't wait to see my IT Manager scaling our office building to deal with pigeons nesting on the transmitter!

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  23. Not security, but reliability... by rasjani · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It could be as secure as wi-fi where the actual "media" is free for anyone to grap. What this means is that it requires strong crypto to be secure.

    I think the realiability is bigger issue. What if someone wants to cut your operations. Big piece of carton or huge van to front of emitter could quite efectively cut it. How's that for denial of service ;)

    Well, i admit that i havent read the article so i dont know how it actually operates but what about "light noise" from other sources.. Or other co-existing "light hubs" in the area. How do they effect the data and its reliability. Only way to prevent this (which i can think off) is using laser as transport medium light and thats not so new anymore is it. And DoS'n laser is even more simpler since the lightbean is really narrow usually and doesnt spread as "normal light".

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    1. Re:Not security, but reliability... by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, you might use a prism to create a 'tap' into the network. Or maybe a 3 port hub.

      The cool thing about an optical line-of-sight transmitter: by hauling yourself to the roof with a pair of binoculars, you can look directly down the link and SEE the NSA/FBI/CIA/local cops' prism tap.

      With WiFi, you never know if a tap is sitting in a van down the street, or the local 7-11 has an NSA tapping station behind the storeroom.

      But optical, ah, you can SEE the buggers listening in on your conversations.

      Snicker. Wouldn't it be cool if you could jack the power on the laser, and melt the bastard's tapping opticals? Priceless.

  24. Pringles Can Replaced by Bedroom Mirror by insane8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, I won't have to buy more crappy pringles in order to steal credit card numbers.. I already own a mirror..

  25. IR is safer than visable! (Also IR not regulated) by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A very important point is that Infra Red light is absorbed by the cornia (outside) of the eye and dosnt penatrate to the retina where it can cause real damage. Visable light does penetrate (obviously) to the retina and WILL fuck your eyes up. I've worked with IR lasers for a few years, they are much safer than visable light devices.

    Also saying use of visable light avoids licencing isues is a bit misleading.
    As to my knowlage, no country regulates visable, IR or even UV unless in lasers (or other sources) where they may get to the powers likey to cause physical danger (not very relavent here, less so with IR rather than visable light).

    Put your hand up if you need a licence for your IR TV remote controal!

    Anyway, a practical solution would be to use lasers of differnet wavelengths and swich to the correct one depending on weatehr conditions. EG fog attenuates some wavlengths strongly, rain scatters a differnt set of wavelengths more readily, etc (As a crude example, consider the different wavelenghs reaching your eyes from the sun in these different weather conditions)

    This technique of swithing to the most aproprate wavelength for the conditions is used in army laser range finders.

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  26. (here here)...Re:already available and widely used by the_pooh_experience · · Score: 5, Informative

    It I am not sure how this is article bestows very interesting or novel information. Granted, the article mentions the wavelengths used are "visible", and "red". My guess is that they are emitting somewhere between 600 and 800 nm (typical visibly range is from 400 nm (purpleish) to 700 nm (red) however this is not a strict cut off, and if bright enough, even above 830 nm is visiblish).

    Most telecom takes place at about 1550 nm, well into the infrared, but this is primarily because the typical fiber has nice properties in this range (absorption and dispersion). Therefore I am not sure there is much fundamental difference between infrared light telecom and visible telecom. Indeed they use very similar laser material (GaAs-based or InP-based diodes), are modulated the same way, etc.

    Possibly this is neat because it is free-space optical stuff. However this (as pointed out previously) is not new. There are companies that are in place as we speek. Maybe deregulation may be of interest, but if the light it kept at the same wavelength as in fiber, then there is no need for an electronic klugey transceiver (detect the light in the fiber at 1550nm and drive a laser to re-emit the same signal at 6xx nm). Instead, an add-drop filter could be slapped on to the end, pick off the right wavelength, and feed that to a fiber which could be collimated as the source. This collimated beam then could travel over kilometers with no trouble. An all optical solution has a much

    just a thought

  27. 400Mb? 1 Gb is old news. by subreality · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free air optical networking isn't really a new idea. Infrared units are pretty common. I'm not sure what supposed advantage using visible light has over infrared... IR isn't regulated (at least in the US, I can't imagine that it would be anywhere).

    I investigated this for networking a couple of buildings my company had near together. Pretty cool stuff. You could get a gigabit connection over a few km of thin air. Cheaper units did 155Mb and for dirt cheap you could get 10Mb. Short range units used LEDs. Longer range ones used lasers.

    I've been wondering why consumer ISP's haven't taken to this yet. It's a great last mile solution.

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  28. Re:A great idea by olethrosdc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    >Consider this, most cellphones around the world >operate at 1500MHZ and so have a seemingly >impressive maximum THEORECTICAL data transfer >rate of 750Mbits/sec.

    So what if they operate at 1500MHz? It is the bandwidth that is important. Example: Radio stations operate at 90-110MHz range. But each one has a bandwidth of around 30Khz.

    So, first of all, the cellphones have a bandwidth allocated within a frequency range around 1.5Ghz. Let's take GSM, which is the most widely used standard:

    The International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which manages the international allocation of radio spectrum (among other functions) allocated the bands 890-915 MHz for the uplink (mobile station to base station) and 935-960 MHz for the downlink (base station to mobile station) for mobile networks in Europe. Since this range was already being used in the early 1980s by the analog systems of the day, the CEPT had the foresight to reserve the top 10 MHz of each band for the GSM network that was still being developed. Eventually, GSM will be allocated the entire 2x25 MHz bandwidth.

    In case you don't understand, it is simple. If you have a single signal at 1.5Ghz frequency, you could get a data rate equalling half the frequency. However when you transmit data you basically cause side-frequencies to appear in your spectrum. Do not assume that just because the system transmits at the base frequency of 1.5Ghz that the signal spectrum will be just a point at 1.5Ghz and 0 everywhere else. The spectrum will spread. If you use up all your possible bandwidth the spectrum will take up all the frequencies from 0 to 1.5Ghz.

    Furthermore, consider the fact that there are many cellphones, sharing infrastructure. The protocol does both time-division and frequency-division multiplexing. While a *single* cellphone could perhaps work with a station at .75Gbit, this ceases to be the case when you add a few thousand cellphones. The band is subdivided to a pre-specified number of sub-bands - not only that, but there is also some time-division multiplexing going on, with each cellphone only doing rx/tx at a fraction of the total time.

    Of course, the same is true for all electromagnetic wave devices.

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  29. AH HA!! by mothrathegreat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Imagine that you might be able to upgrade a set of traffic lights to actually make something faster!

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  30. Already done at Xerox PARC by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just read about this the other day in the book "Dealers of Lightning" (page 140). While they were developing the laser printer in the 70's, some of the researchers had to move to a different building 1KM away. They had line of sight between the two locations, so they rigged up a system of lasers and photodetectors to bridge their network between the two buildings.

    The beam went over a public highway, and after one woman went into a ditch after it startled her one foggy morning, they coarsened the beam to make it invisible.

  31. this isn't a new thing by erc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is everyone acting like this is a new thing? Hams have been doing the same thing for years. There have been construction articles in popular electronics mags for years about going digital with a pair of LEDs.

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  32. Safety and Reliability by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not too clear on how this works. Wouldn't it be quite easy to disrupt a beam of light, through physical or other means? Seems you could put a piece of aluminum foil in it's path or disrupt the beam with other beams quite easily. And what about safety issues? Is it visible to drivers? I remember reading that when PARC first had a line of sight laser to connect two buildings across a highway, during inclement weather drivers would crash while distracted. If it's too high, would have to worry about aircraft. And since a laser can damage your eyes, wonder if this type of light can as well.

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    1. Re:Safety and Reliability by Wylie+Coyote · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh. With Australia's "Crimes Act" which makes it a criminal act to "Delete, damage, or impair access to, data..." It would be a criminal offense just to stand around.... if you happened to be standing in the path of a visible light data transmission beam. Cant wait for that one to hit the courts. hehe

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  33. Interesting anecdote by arvindn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Andy Tanenbaum's "Computer Networks" book talks about how this could go wrong.

    They tried it in a conference. They wanted to telecast conference proceedings in a building some distance away using this method. They set up this equipment, tested everything the night before the opening day, works perfectly.

    First day of conference. No signal. The receiver didn't see the transmitter at all. Total flop.

    So they checked it thoroughly again that night. Everything was still working fine.

    Next morning: same story. No signal.

    This repeated on all 3 days of the conference.

    Organizers were left scratching their heads. Funny part is, it worked at night and failed at day without their touching anything. Sabotage? The devil??

    Later they found it was because the light beam was getting bent in daytime due the temperature gradient (same way that mirages occur). Poof.

    Of course, these are just problems that will inevitably occur when a technology is in its nascent phase, I'm sure it'll get ironed out as it goes commercial.

    The article talks about rain and fog, but is silent on the sunlight issue.

  34. What about right of way? by Carnivorous+Carrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We set up a microwave link between two buildings several miles apart. We had to get a right of way from all the land owners inbetween.

    I wasn't involved directly in that project, so I don't know if it was needed because it was microwaves, or just in general.

    I wouldn't rush to think this is some sort of easy method to solve problems, though.

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  35. Hope they think of this... by Wylie+Coyote · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Visible light huh? Like... I can see it? Hmmmmm. Hope someone thinks to encrypt it :)

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  36. Re:IR is safer than visable! (Also IR not regulate by Hal-9001 · · Score: 3, Informative
    I've worked with IR lasers for a few years, they are much safer than visable light devices.
    Strictly speaking, that's not true. A lot of infrared (IR) lasers (common examples are Nd:YAG or Ti:sapphire) operate in the near infrared, which makes them a lot more dangerous than visible lasers of the same power because the beam is invisible to the unaided eye, but the wavelength is short enough to penetrate the cornea and damage the retina. Even worse, you can't react to something you can't perceive, so the natural blink reflex that can protect the eye against low-power visible laser beams cannot protect the eye from IR beams. I think this is one reason why many IR lasers are rated Class IV, the most dangerous rating. (Another reason is that many IR lasers tend to be high-power lasers. It does you no good that the cornea absorbs the beam if the beam is sufficiently powerful to blow a hole through it... :-p)
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  37. Re:A great idea by Pass_Thru · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you use up all your possible bandwidth the spectrum will take up all the frequencies from 0 to 1.5Ghz

    Not exactly, if you (theoretically) modulate a 1.5 gig signal with a signal at half that frequency, two sidebands appear in this case from 0.75 gig to 2.25 gig is the resulting signal spread. So if you use all your possible bandwidth (and again this is theoretical, I know of no system that 'coud' do this) then a bandwidth of 0-3gig will result. Interestingly, in this scenario (ie FM or AM modulation) the bandwidth consumed is double what the maximum modulating frequency is. So one sideband is 'wasted' as it carries a mirror of the others information. Also the carrier frequency itself is redundant, it carries no useful information. Given these facts, Single Side Band (SSB) is much more efficient in terms of bandwidth & power required (power saved in the transmission of carrier & one sideband can be used to increase the remaining sideband)

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  38. next-steep on networking? I don't think so by Oliver_Etchebarne · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't imagine using this thing for sending a very important document/work. It looks more like a cheapest way to do fast networking. It's LIGHT. A flying duck cross over the lightbeam and BANG! :) This appart from other problems like insecurity (I mean, I think it's easier to do a light-receiver than a radio-receiver... more people would be able to 'investigate'), etc.

    Neighborhood network? perhaps. Just imagine a lanparty on my neighborhood, and every tv/vhs/dvd/thing-with-a-infrared-remote-control getting weird :D

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  39. free space optical is nothing new by aderusha · · Score: 2, Informative

    this technology has been available for decades, it's called free space optical datacom. As the link points out, there's even a google directory listing for providers of this technology.

    there are significant limitations on this tech however. cheif among them is reliability in various weather conditions. rain, fog, snow, and passing birds tend to cause havok with a laser beam. setting a laser up to point to a target 1 or 2 kilometers away is no small feat, and even harder is making sure it stays on target months and years later.

    there's a reason why most wireless shorthaul links use microwaves, as the laser technology really doesn't work very well.

  40. Infra red eye safety by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of infrared (IR) lasers (common examples are Nd:YAG or Ti:sapphire) operate in the near infrared

    Yep, you are right. Some near IR wavelengths will be let through the cornea, and you wont have the blink reflex to protect your eye. However, this is slightly misleeding as the vast majority of IR (at wavelenghts a little further from the visable) is safe. Especially at the power levels discussed here.

    The only time it decomes dangerous is when the IR light is strong enough to heat the cornea!

    For example, at 1.55 microns (wavelength most suited to optical fibre) the British Standard guidelines state the maximum permisable exposure to the eye at this wavelength is the same as skin. In simple laymans terms, it has to be strong enough to burn flesh (skin or eye) before it will damage the eye!

    Of couse, the real bastard lasers are UV. A fairly dangerous wavelength (suntan anyone) that you cant see. Not good for your eyes either!

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  41. A company in Ottawa Canada manufactures these by earthforce_1 · · Score: 3, Informative


    Check out http://www.plaintree.com - they use eye safe LEDs for transmission, with speeds up to 155 MBPS, or T1/E1 at ranges to 3KM. They are using this at the Ottawa airport. They have been in business since 1988.

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  42. UV laser danger by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 3, Informative
    Of couse, the real bastard lasers are UV.

    UV lasers can be bad, but they don't do retinal damage at short enough wavelengths. In fact, UV is used in "Laser Vision Correction", because it ablates the cornea nicely without penetrating at all into the retina.

    For really severe retinal damage, visible and near IR are the worst.

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  43. Route 66 by Red+Rocket · · Score: 2, Funny


    It's a fiber optic 40 gigabit per second connection between Chicago and LA.

    Get your bits
    On Route Sixty-Six

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  44. It can be secure... by infernalC · · Score: 3, Informative

    Layer 1 security (physical access denial) is not good security. The best way to secure networks is to use secure protocols - wrap everything up in SSL.

    As for the service interruption concern, it would seem prudent to use several redundant beams spaced at irregular vertical and horizontal intervals - wide enough so that a small flock of pigeons doesn't interrupt service.

  45. Big whoop by Coppit · · Score: 2, Funny
    This reminds me of a demo we used to do at the National Center for Physical Acoustics. Basically, you shine a laser beam on some reflective surface, and watch the interference that occurs between the reflected light and the original light.

    Since the laser's light is coherent, you can use this interference to reconstruct subtle changes in the distance from the laser to the reflective surface. In other words, you can eavesdrop on someone by looking at how the windows in the room vibrate! Supposedly this was once used to find out what people were saying in an embassy.

    At short distances you can use a grapefruit instead of a window, but talking into a grapefruit is just weird. :)

  46. Terabeam got me on the way to work today. by holland_g · · Score: 3, Informative
    Funny that this story appears on Slashdot today.

    I was driving to work North on Willows Rd in Redmond, WA today and I saw Terabeam's laser flashing away. It is pointed almost directly along the road to their satellite building to the South.

    I haven't noticed it before, so I wondered if they had some beam dispersement issues. I got a little concerned that the laser was damaging my eyes. Hopefully the power on the lazer diode is turned down. You never know what is going on in development hardware ;)

    The light looks like your run of the mill strobe light. The pattern looks like the LEDs on your hub. Not sure why because that flash speed is not consistent with the marketing info on www.terabeam.com.

    Unfortunately the fog here in the valley tends to prohibit their use of the system.

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  47. It's already banned in Britain. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long do you suppose the lack of federal regulation will last?

    I don't know about the US. (The FCC has been moving to open, rather than close, bands for some time now.) But it's already banned in Britain.

    You probably already know that radio broadcasting in Britain is (or was a few years back - just in case they've changed their mind) a government monopoly. People tried to work around that in various ways.

    One of them was a company that did a cute hack: They shined an infrared laser straight up, and modulated it with an entire FM band full of radio stations (similar to the way you can put a private FM band on a cable TV wire). Anybody who wanted to could mount a photocell or infrared-sensing diode (in a little telescope) on their window sill, point it at the invisible pillar of light, and couple it to a radio to receive the new band. Business model was to rent the stations out as commercial broadcast stations with all of London as target market.

    The agency in charge of the British radio monopoly (British Post Office?) complained. And parlement extended the top end of their jurisdiction from whatever the previous legal end of the microwave spectrum was to infinity.

    So in Britain, if it's electromagnetic energy (even gamma rays) and you can use it to beamcast or broadcast information, you need a license.

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  48. Federal regulation by The+Cookie+Monster · · Score: 2, Funny
    It has a number of advantages, including lack of federal regulation of the spectrum, as it is of course, visible light
    This is also aided, in part, by New Zealand not having any federal government.

    Oh... you mean here?