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Peace Corps to Wire Senegal

An anonymous submitter wrote: "Peace Corps Online is reporting on the White House's Digital Freedom Initiative that will place volunteers from the Peace Corps, Hewlett-Packard and Cisco in a pilot program in Senegal where they will leverage nearly 200 cybercafes and 10,000 telecenters to provide opportunities for small businesses and entrepreneurs. The idea isn't new - David Rothman proposed an Electronic Peace Corps in 1984, the Geek Corps has been doing this kind of work in Ghana for years, and the Peace Corps already has about 1,500 volunteers working in information technology."

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  1. Swell! by LeoDV · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've got no food, but now we've got BROADBAND! (First post?)

    1. Re:Swell! by collapser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're not far off the mark - Take a look at egypt's attempts to form a technocratic (as opposed to fundamentalist) society.

      It's all very well and good to want to provide communications access to those that don't have it, but do they *need* it?
      I would have thought that tackling the causes of Africa's poverty, rather than attempt to "boost it into the 21st century" (whatever that means) would be a more effective and longer-lasting solution.

      but no. we'd rather show we care enough to give them the benefits of Fark, AYBABTU, and hotmail accounts (and who wants to bet some enterprizing fellow won't work out a way to capitalise on our own greed and idiocy - Nigerian 411, anyone?)

      not belittling the hard work people put into this, but it seems to be yet another case of malformed priorities/treating symptoms not cause. but then, treating symptoms doesn't carry so much responsibility/difficulty, does it?

      sadly, a pointless excercise.

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    2. Re:Swell! by theophilosophilus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > We've got no food, but now we've got BROADBAND!

      Exactly, wouldn't this money be better spent? On the flip side it sounds like the move is generating private investment.

      From the CIA world fact book (hey its what google gave me): [CIA World Fact Book]

      "Senegal ... realized full Internet connectivity in 1996, creating a miniboom in information technology-based services. Private activity now accounts for 82% of GDP."

      However, I worry about the mentality that the internet can solve all our problems. I think we all saw the fallacy of that misconception after the bubble. Further, the question should be asked, is this a society that is ready for this technology? Will this have adverse impacts on a culture that has not prepared itself for such drastic change (now I sound like my old Tech and Society prof)? Will the average Senegalese be receptive to such a cultural shift?

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    3. Re:Swell! by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's only half of the equation. Constant fighting between the political factions, stimulated by Colonial Europe's arbirtary division of the continent without regards for tribal boundaries (Forcing the Huutu and Tsutse tribes to live together), and corruption of their parliment have prevented African countries from prospering, as much as cash crop farming for the western world.

      A large portion of Africa is farmland, but dedicated to export crops. There is little left over for staple farming. The money earned from these cash crops makes the landowners rich, which in turn makes the government rich. The profit is dumped into the military, buying jets and tanks, troops, training camps, etc to quell uprisings and 'protect' their country. Little is left over for urban development, health care, or infrastructure. Much of the foreign aid is absorbed by the government.

      Tackling the root causes is difficult, as it is not only the western world which is profiting from Africa's poverty. It is their own leaders as well.

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  2. Re:why? by droid_rage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe it's because most entrepreneurs and small business owners in Senegal can't afford a computer, and would be better off renting small amounts of time as needed. According to the world bank Senegal's GNP per capita for 1996 was only $570. I doubt it's gotten much higher.

  3. Re:why? by jem · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it's realistic? if you electricity and telecoms already then it's going to be much easier to set everything else up. Plus an Internet Cafe is a good place for people to meet, get training, etc.

  4. This is good but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    The internet has a vast store of information, and I think creating this kind of infrastructure is a good thing, but we have to keep in mind that technology can't solve all problems. There is an excellent article at the linux journal site that illustrates some important points:

    http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4657

    1. Re:This is good but... by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Third world countries are stuck in a vicious cycle. Internet access should be the last thing on their minds. Basic infrastructure such as roads, sewage, hydro are needed first and formost. This will atract industry, which in turn will build more infrastructure, create training facilities, and attract more skilled labour. And the only way to do this is with gobs and gobs of cash.

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    2. Re:This is good but... by pe1rxq · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The western world wasn't such a fun place to live in until education became available to everyboddy.
      You said yourself that you need skilled labour.
      Skilled labour means good education.
      For education to work you need to get people to look beyond their horizon into the world. What better medium than the internet to do this?

      Jeroen

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    3. Re:This is good but... by kinnell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      For education to work you need to get people to look beyond their horizon into the world. What better medium than the internet to do this?

      Books?

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    4. Re:This is good but... by cfarivar · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm currently in Senegal (an American studying at Universite Gaston Berger), and am doing research on this exact topic.

      The Internet is a fantastic tool, and yes, while there are many things that Senegal does need before it can advance in the world -- the Internet, while not the be-all-end-all solution, can do a lot of good.

      Check out the draft of my paper here:

      http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~cfarivar/senegal/draf t.html

    5. Re:This is good but... by aengblom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Third world countries are stuck in a vicious cycle. Internet access should be the last thing on their minds. Basic infrastructure such as roads, sewage, hydro are needed first and formost.

      What do you think the Internet is. It's basic infastructure. Computers and the Internet move information -- FAST and EFFICIENTLY.

      Not only is that important for health, education and general quality of life, but employment can arise through it too.

      The Internet is no longer a simple luxury. In fact, my specific job would be impossible without the Internet, but it has nothing to do with the Internet. It's just how we deliver our product.

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  5. And Now the News... by johndiii · · Score: 3, Funny

    The "Senegalese Minister" scam overtakes the "Nigerian Minister" scam as the leading scam spam theme.

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  6. Always has to be hardware by jj_johny · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It seems that everyone who does development work does not feel that they have made a difference unless they leave behind something to point at: A dam, a tall building, an internet... Please although internet access maybe easy to get your hands around, accessible technology that the educated can support and widely available, it really is way behind other issues that need to be fixed. Most countries need better laws, courts, banks not IT infrastructure.

    Well at least Cisco and HP are branching into new market and away from the saturated ones.

    1. Re:Always has to be hardware by hoppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Development is not a serial process. You can not wait all population to be healthy before giving it education ect...

      IT infrastructure permits to nurses to know better about new drugs, to exchange knowledge. it permits communication in a land where phone is very expensive.

      Funny thing is Senegal is one of the most connected country in sub-saharian africa, 45Mb where Niger have only 2Mb. And it is the richest in west-africa (may be Nigeria is on par).

      IMHO it is just another way to promote american engineering and products to a potentially good marketplace. Why not Mali, or Niger which are in a much more problematic state ?

    2. Re:Always has to be hardware by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 5, Insightful
      IT Infrastructure is useful in developing other kinds of infrastructure, assuming it can be effectively used.
      Most countries need better laws, courts, banks
      Better laws can theoretically be attained in semi-democratic and democratic countries through providing information about current laws, and things that are going up for voting in the legislative body, as well as providing a conduit for citizens to contact their government members in order to influence policy.

      Better courts can be attained, especially in countries that utilize a common law standard, by having the court system linked up, so all judicial reviews can be viewed quickly, easily and instantaneously. Thus, the court system can act more consistently as a whole across the entire nation-state, as opposed to the personal habits of each judge. Also, abuses in the system can be reported easier across great distances, if the other branches of the government are plugged in as well.

      Banks are another institution that really need to be connected, and have a sharing of information between them. Computers are very useful in documenting a credit history on individuals, making it much easier to call up, so any bank can view it much faster for when determining whether or not to give an individual a loan. Transfers between institutions are better handled electronically as well.

      The Internet also provides a cheap way for local nation-wide businesses to post job listings, theoretically allowing for out of work people to be put in touch easier with companies that need workers, improving the overall economy. Though, it is important to note that the US has had some serious flaws with this, but not to the point where its completely useless. I have found work off an Internet job posting before.

      Along with increased mobility, you also have a better chance of affordable communication with relatives within the country. Thus, despite the physical distance potentially developing between citizens and their families, all touch won't be lost.

      And of course, there is always the benefit of being able to access a wealth of information sources on the Internet that encourage people to view other places in the world and see how they function, so that they might demand change at home.

      The point is, just because IT infrastructure seems like a luxury, improved and increased communication between all levels of society is an inherently good thing for democratic institutions, as well as developing market economies. It might not be as useful as building a power plant, or teaching them better farming techniques, however the companies helping here aren't farming or power companies. They're IT companies, so they're helping the way they know how to help.
  7. yay by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I will get twice as many BUSINESS PROPOSALS from DR ZUNAGA MBASAWA in SOME RANDOM COUNTRY trying to get me to help him wire $75000000USD from his recently deceased father's offshore account.

  8. Open Source is crucial... by tau_bada · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I certainly hope Peace Corps intends to use open source for these projects. One of the most import tenants of Peace Corps projects is sustainability from a host country's perspective - a perfect dovetail for open source code.

  9. Peace Corps not part of Homeland Security by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Peace Corps website: "Currently, 6,678 Peace Corps volunteers are serving in 70 countries, working to bring clean water to communities, teach children, help start new small businesses, and stop the spread of AIDS. Since 1961, more than 168,000 Americans have joined the Peace Corps, serving in 136 nations." These people most likely dont have the skills to combat cyber terrorism and are using the skills they do have to set up small networks and get people on the internet.

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  10. Sutil slogan changes... by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hippie: "Make love, not war"
    Yuppie: "Make lan, not war"

  11. Helping out online by rf0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    In a similar vain people might be interested in NetAid which apart of the UN in helping out online less developed countries

    Rus

  12. What will it do? by Txiasaeia · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My wife was in Senegal in a few years, and after seeing this article, she commented, "Well, that might help the people in cities, but what about most of the people who live in rural areas?"

    Besides, the people in this country can't afford Coke as a general rule -- even when they can, they return the glass (yes, glass!) bottle right away to get the deposit back and put the Coke in a plastic bag to drink. There are already enough cybercafes in Dakar; perhaps this cash should be going towards helping the little Muslim boys that run around the streets, forced into virtual slavery (via begging) in order to make a few bucks for their master.

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    1. Re:What will it do? by shanewarneiskweer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that this is general criticism of Africa in general. The fact is that great swathes of the continent are progressing nicely and have decent-ish standards of living. The places where standards are bad tend to be warzones. I.T. improves lives, FACT. If this helps the Senegalese, then all power to them. I consider a few LANS small payback to the fact that the West rips off Africa blind in loan repayments.

    2. Re:What will it do? by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      perhaps this cash should be going towards helping the little Muslim boys that run around the streets,

      Anything's better than the upbringing they currently get: hating jews and americans (altho it's worse in other more fundamentalist Islam countries). What kills me is how many people via pop media actually fall for the line that the problem actually is their objects of hate, instead of their enslaving masters, mullahs, ayatollahs and other desperate hate mongering cleric authorities and war lords.

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  13. Re:why? by vidarh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I agree with you about internet cafe's as a good place to meet and provide access. It's important to focus in this, as the point is to provide access to people who are unlikely to afford a computer (or for that matter their own radio, telephone or TV).

    However long range wireless solutions might be very suitable for many of these countries for bringing internet access to the cafes, because the poverty levels means that even phone lines get stolen quite often for the copper many places (some countries have even had cases of people cutting down power cables to sell the scrap metal).

    Securing a number of wireless routers might be easier than securing miles and miles of cable. Additionally, putting up phone cables is expensive, and many African countries have extremely under developed landline networks, and it's not a given that setting up wireless connections won't be cheaper.

  14. Re:why? by collapser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    training for what, exactly? how are IT skills and improved communications going to help free impoverished countries from the grip of corrupt administrations and natural resource leeches such as Shell or deBeers?

    what do these businesses sell, in any case? last i heard, putting your small business on teh internet was only useful if you are producing something someone in [affluent country here] wants - and sadly, outside of big business concerns such as oil or diamonds, that doesn't amount to much.

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  15. Business Opportunity by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    they will leverage nearly 200 cybercafes and 10,000 telecenters to provide opportunities for small businesses and entrepreneurs.

    Great. Now AOL will be intercepting 2 billion spams / month, from a new country tld.

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  16. Buzzspeak - English translation by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Word #234:
    leverage (vb): means "use"
    Alternative trendy buzzwords and phrases:
    enabled
    facilitate deployment
    fixed resource empowerment
    consolidate operational dynamics
    foster tangible goals

    1. Re:Buzzspeak - English translation by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bzzzzt! Wrong Answer!
      "Leverage" is about using a small investment to achieve a large result. Those of us who actually study a subject before being snitty about it call this the Multiplier Effect.
      In this context, the goal is to use a relatively small investment in telecommunications and electronics to provide a tool, a "lever", that will then cause larger, desired change.

      Go away, little boy and leave criticism to those of us who actually *do* know the proper meanings of words.

      Rustin

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  17. Woo-hoo! Where to next? by Uninvited+Guest · · Score: 2, Funny

    When does the Peace Corps come to my neighborhood, here in the US? This would be so...*ring* Hold on... call coming in...

    What's that? Peace Corps? Yes. Overseas only? I see. Nothing inside the US? Aha.*click*

    Never mind.

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  18. Re:why? by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah , I can just see all those starving people begging for food at the side of the road
    whipping out their Pocket PC once they hear that a wifi node has been set up on top of the local
    rubbish heap.

  19. Re:why? by pe1rxq · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is all very simple actually....

    You can find practicly anything on the internet, no need for expensive books, all you need is a little curiousity.

    As for fighting big business and governments all you need is to set up a 'poor-villages-against-whatever' mailinglist and you can organize.

    That is the power of the internet: spreading information at practicly no cost.

    Jeroen

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  20. from CIA Factbook by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    check it

    COMMUNICATIONS

    • Telephones - main lines in use: 234,916 (2001)
    • Telephones - mobile cellular: 373,965 (2001)
    • Telephone system: general assessment: good system domestic: above-average urban system; microwave radio relay, coaxial cable and fiber-optic cable in trunk system international: 4 submarine cables; satellite earth station - 1 Intelsat (Atlantic Ocean)
    • Radio broadcast stations: AM 10, FM 14, shortwave 0 (1998)
    • Radios: 1.24 million (1997)
    • Television broadcast stations: 1 (1997)
    • Televisions: 361,000 (1997)
    • Internet country code: .sn
    • Internet Service Providers (ISPs): 15 (2002)
    • Internet users: 40,000 (2001)
    Lesser-developed countries flock to cell phones to get around there out-dated, out-moded, out-period telephone communications, I guess.

    Sounds like the Peace Corps needs to Wi-Fi Senegal rather than wire it.

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  21. Please stop the "they only need food" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's all very well and good to want to provide communications access to those that don't have it, but do they *need* it?

    Yes. It's exactly like if you argued they don't need a postal service at all in third world countries. Now matter how starved they are, postal service is useful. Likewise for communications. For the record, many of those countries have numerous emmigrants, and considering the price of international phone communications, you'll understand why email and cybercafes are such a success there. The emmigrant-whose-plane-ticket-was-paid-by-the-villa ge-and-who-sends-back-money is not uncommon. There are other uses too.

    In addition, in almost all third world countries, have a very rich upper class, with the lastest technological toys, and which doesn't know what to do with its money (investing is boring - culturally speaking this isn't US/UK self-made-man dreams etc..., using money to get power isn't always necessary, as there is more social corruption). At the very least, those demand a good Internet access.

  22. Woah, 1500 IT workers? by jonbrewer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think not. Sure 1559 volunteers may be "promoting" IT in their roles, but there certainly are not 1559 Peace Corps volunteers working in IT. The vast majority of these people are English teachers who have a secondary project of trying to improve their school's computer lab, often using "creative grant-writing" techniques to appropriate funds marked for women's health or community development.

    Until "IT" is a Peace Corps job category like Education, Agriculture, Health, and Environment, Peace Corps will not be taking IT seriously.

    I speak from experience.

    -JB (Volunteer - Poland 15, 1999-2000)

  23. WTF!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    WTF? Why are we wiring Senegal when I can't even get DSL to my neighborhood? %&*%$#!!!

  24. Re:why? by vocaro · · Score: 2, Informative
    However long range wireless solutions might be very suitable for many of these countries for bringing internet access to the cafes

    Are there any Internet cafes in the developed world that use long-range wireless technologies? We can't even make 3G cell phone networks a reality here in the US, so I don't see how we can expect that to happen in developing countries. And if you're referring to Wi-Fi, then that's also not feasible, since 802.11b only goes about 10 miles max, even with a line-of-sight high-gain directional antenna. You'd have to put repeaters all over the countryside.

    When I served with the Peace Corps in Ghana, some of the "luxury" Internet cafes in the capital were using specially-licensed microwave links to a shared VSAT Internet link, but spreading that kind of access throughout the rest of the (mostly rural) land just isn't economically possible.

    What I noticed in Ghana is that any town that had been wired for electricity, no matter how small, was also wired for phone service. Unfortunately, the government-owned phone company (Ghana Telecom) has a monopoly on the entire phone industry, and they aren't interested in competition because they don't want to lose their cash cow. The result is that dial-up Internet access from small towns is already availble but extremely expensive due to the per-minute long-distance charges.

    The solution, I think, is not technical but rather economical. Instead of building some fancy wireless mesh network, developing countries should work to deregulate the phone industry and open it up to competition, thus lowering the cost of Internet access everywhere.

  25. Re:Educate women instead of developing cybercafes by perdu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yep, I did 2 years in Zaire and I can see that. But the teachers I worked with were all men and they were very aware of what went on in the world - mainly via shortwave radio.

    I think this is very worthwhile but would only work in cities where you have electricity - for part of the day at least...

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  26. Fallacy of Other People's Volunteering by lucasw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Fallacy of Other People's Misappropriated Volunteer Efforts comes up on slashdot quite frequently, though predominately concerns itself with open-source software development: There's all sorts of complaining about branching and competitive overlapping software projects when all programmers should be working on project y, where y is the software the whiner (who probably doesn't contribute to anything) would most like to have an improved version of. Programmers aren't a fluid resource that can be thrown at anything for proportional result (remember Mythical Man Month), and a lot of mature software projects are intimidating or unappealling to the unexperienced or differently interested.

    Here, there's the misappropriated tech support for the third world:

    Most countries need better laws, courts, banks not IT infrastructure.

    I would also prefer it if the U.S. had better courts and laws- they're currently better than most countries, but could also stand a lot of improvement. I'm not volunteering as a lobbyist, political activist, or even writing my representatives about those issues. Instead, I do some network administration and general tech support for a couple local non-profits. Are my efforts better spent elsewhere?

    The short answer is no:

    -I want to build on the knowledge I already have.
    -I want to feel satisfied at the end of the day for having solved some small network problem, gotten a donated computer up and running, etc.
    -I want an external and personal source of motivation: other volunteers and employees who immediately appreciate and recognize my efforts (and they couldn't have done it themselves) because it helps them do their job.
    -I might want to get a paying job doing something similar with the references and skills I've built volunteering.

    Large scale societal and infrastructural issues take lots of time, money, and effort beyond the abilities of volunteers to fix alone. It's good to be aware of efforts in those larger-scale issues and support them, but it's easier to get volunteers to do something they already know and want to do. (Contrast with "Hey guys, let's dig a latrine in Cambodia!" recruitment method)

    If someone were to go to Senegal or other country with IT work in mind, they may come into intimate contact with the more fundamental problems and shift their efforts accordingly, where as reading a speculative slashdot post about the 'real' problems may put them off from volunteering altogether.

  27. No, what's needed is wireless broadband by sbwoodside · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Senegal is a great place to mount an initiative like this because they have access to some serious bandwidth. The SAT-3/WASC/SAFE undersea fibre optic cable landed in Senegal last year, delivering multiple gigabits of internet bandwidth. This is in contast to the previous situation, where basically all of Africa had less bandwidth than the headquarters of my former employer.

    But the idea of wiring Senegal is all wrong. What's needed is wireless. Wireless internet (e.g. 802.11b Wi-Fi) is a far more appropriate solution in a country like Senegal where traditional wireline infrastructure is going to be subject to harsh environmental conditions and being destroyed by political unrest. Wi-Fi long-distance links can span 30 km in a single hop, and the towers like cell towers can be powered with generators. Wi-Fi delivers true broadband, 802.11b is 10Mbps, and 802.11a and 802.11g can deliver more like 30Mbps.

    Broadband is essential. With broadband you can deliver the killer app (yeah, I said killer app) of the rural internet which is Voice over IP. People in Senegal, well, the literacy rate isn't so high, and VoIP is what's really useful to people as it allows them to call members of their family who may be off making money in other parts of the world, to call into town to check crop prices, to call their relatives in the city. Of course this requires policy to make sure that VoIP is legal and that the national telco doesn't try to block it to protect their own profits.

    If you're interested in wireless long-distance links, you might be interested in a mailing list on the subject, wireless-longhaul@openict.net. You can subscribe here, and the mailing list home page is here.

  28. Re:why? by vocaro · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Why did you join the Peace Corps?

    The best answer is in an article I wrote, available here: More than one way to make a difference

    You can also find more info about my Peace Corps experience here: Two Years, Two Months

    The requirements you listed are spot-on. Note that if you don't have knowledge of Spanish or French, having a science or engineering degree can do just as much to help get you in to the Peace Corps. (Most applicants are liberal arts majors without any technical skills that the Peace Corps needs.)

    I could see 3 or 4 months, but 2 years of my life to be a volunteer?

    Two years is nothing -- a small fraction of your normal life span -- especially when you consider the impact those two years could have on your life. Think about it: What would you do with those two years in the U.S.? Work a nine-to-five job so you can buy that new computer and a big screen TV? I'd prefer to spend the time traveling the world, making friends, learning a new language, and discovering places I've only seen in National Geographic. But that's just me. If you can only commit three months, try the GeekCorps.

  29. Us only by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Peace corps only uses US "recruits", therefore I cannot bring my contribution through peacecorps! I wonder why!!

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