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Friday Morning Release Party

usermilk writes "Apple has released an update for iMovie 3. It provides improved performance and stability, you can get it from the Software Update preference pane." Hopefully this resolves many of the complaints about what could be a really cool program. maxentius writes "The beta .7 version of Camino has been released. Once Chimera, this tabbed browser and Apple's Safari might start a real browser war. Which one do you prefer?" And on that note, an anonymous user writes "Safari v64 is making the rounds according to macrumors. Safari v62 brought us Tabs, and this new version (v64) appears to provide increased stability, improved tab appearance, loading status for tabs, and enhanced autocomplete."

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  1. Imovie performance, camino... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I haven't tried imovie3 yet, suprised though by the high sys req. Anyone with a G3 700 try it, how's it run? I must say I'm a little annoyed that any low end MAC can't run software made 6 months after you buy it. Apple always makes their new builds to the lowest MAC at the time. This is great if you have a high end mac, as the software stays cutting edge, but if you have a low end MAC you are doomed to keep it with the current software only. (I'm not fishing for flames here I have had low end macs for sometime and I love them they're great but it is a bit annoying)

    Also I used camino exclusively and have switched to safari after the advent of tabs, anyone with me?

    FIRST POST hahaha suckaz

    1. Re:Imovie performance, camino... by mbbac · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've used iMovie's Ken Burns effect on my PowerMac G3 450. It seemed quick enough to me. Note that I haven't used iMovie's DV capability because I don't have a DV camera.

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    2. Re:Imovie performance, camino... by clifyt · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      My iBook 600 runs it decently...don't know what anyone else is doing to make it not run.

      Heck I even used the KBE on some photos I had as I've picked up a decent digital camera over the holidays and have been dying to use it for sometime a little less productive. Only thin I wish was that you could set up timelines and paths on the KBE (ie., not just from A to B, but taking a portait and scanning from face to face without having to reimport the photo and hope that you can get the effects close enough to do the A to B thing again with the starting point being the ending point of the last...too much trouble).

      clif

    3. Re:Imovie performance, camino... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only thin I wish was that you could set up timelines and paths on the KBE (ie., not just from A to B, but taking a portait and scanning from face to face without having to reimport the photo and hope that you can get the effects close enough to do the A to B thing again with the starting point being the ending point of the last...too much trouble).

      There is a way to do this - it's a bit clumsy but does work. The key is to use still frames as shims between KBE shots, and to alternate between doing KBE animations forward and in reverse to avoid having to re-zoom and re-position the photo.

      So, if you want to, as you say, scan from face to face, you can create a KBE zooming into the first face, then save that clip. If you preview the clip in the main screen, when it gets to the end of it (the zoomed in face) you can create a still frame of that (if it takes a still frame of the wrong thing at first (for example, the unzoomed photo), keep trying - it can be finnicky). You can then drop that frame into your timeline after the first KBE and it will hold the shot on that face for a few seconds with the exact zoom and positioning settings you initially set. Then go back to your photo, and you will notice that it remembers your KBE settings. What you must do now is leave the end positioning the same, but alter the begin positioning to move on to the next face you want to show and tell the KBE to animate in reverse. This will leave your zoom and positioning settings for the beginning of the next KBE to be exactly where your last frame ended, and you will have a nice pause in between animations. You can repeat this process over and over, and while it may be a bit tedious, it does give you the exactness you desire. You do not have to approximate anything, and it will look clean.

  2. Ken Burns Effect and How to Turn it Off by Spencerian · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know we'll have a few people who'll still grouse about the Ken Burns Effect of panning and zooming stills.

    Mac OS X Hints has this well documented. You can change two settings in the KBE settings, or you can disable auto-application of KBE to stills with a plist change.

    http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=200 30 207070603841

    or

    http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=200 30 204065235938&query=ken+burns+effect

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  3. Safari v64 Download by ihatewinXP · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get it here http://www.deepapple.com/ Just go to the "Downloads" section. Seems much more stable the v62. Should be nearing real 1.0 status soon (even the beta 60 is being installed now as default on Apple demo machines as opposed to IE).

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    1. Re:Safari v64 Download by he1icine · · Score: 4, Informative

      the URL to the actual file is this:

      http://www.deepapple.com/downloads/index.phtml?S ES SION=8de6521251f3347e6cc0bdcde14e304f&oid=705&type =source&SESSION=8de6521251f3347e6cc0bdcde14e30 4f

      and once again if you haven't enable the debug menu, quit safari, open terminal and type:

      defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 0

      relaunch safari, the debug menu is on the right and you can turn tabs (etc.) on there

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    2. Re:Safari v64 Download by he1icine · · Score: 5, Informative

      oops, I fscked up

      this turns debug on:

      defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

      this turns it off:

      defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 0

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    3. Re:Safari v64 Download by selderrr · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's not that hard : go to another machine and write down the url (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/camino/releases/Camino -0.7.dmg.gz)

      and then use curl or wget in terminal.

    4. Re:Safari v64 Download by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative
      Or ftp. I recently needed to grab something remotely, and hunted in vain for wget, lynx, etc, on my Mac, as I hadn't installed it, and in exasperation just tried "ftp http://whatever/path/file", remembering that the BSD ftp already accepts "ftp" URLs.

      It worked. Try it sometime, you'll like it.

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    5. Re:Safari v64 Download by tbmaddux · · Score: 2, Informative
      use curl or wget in terminal.
      FYI, no wget on my MacOS X 10.2.4 install, but curl is there.
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  4. Safari v64 by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tabs are much improved and seem a lot faster too. You can now use your regular bookmarks as tab-collections by command-clicking a folder in your bookmark bar or choosing the Open in Tabs-option in it's menu.

    The loading info is very useful too. All in all the perfect tabs-implementation. Only nit-pickers care which direction the tabs face :)

    Oh, and auto-complete from Adress-book. Trés cool!

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    1. Re:Safari v64 by maxentius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (Posting from Camino.)

      Both Safari v64 and Camino seem a bit faster, especially Camino. Also, .7 seems considerably more stable than Chimera .6 was. Chimera would crash pretty often if I had, say, three or four windows open, each with five or six tabs. I haven't been able to reproduce that with Camino.

      In Process Viewer, Camino seems a bit more memory efficient, particularly with several tabs open.

      I prefer the mass-bookmark (tab group? favorite folder?) approach that Camino uses over Safari's implementation, which still seems pretty crude. I get where I need to be in fewer clicks with Camino. Not to say that Safari won't get better.

      Rendering-wise, I think they look about the same, though I prefer the Camino widgets and layout, not to mention the tab metaphor logic. On the other hand, the Safari tabs each have their own close button, albeit a non-standard "x" in a circle ... actually I'm not sure whether that works or not. It wastes space on the tab bar, that's for sure.

      Now, what I want to see is the ability to make one's home page a tab group. That seems pretty obvious.

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    2. Re:Safari v64 by The+Bum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Safari won't supplant Camino as my browser of choice until it gets Keychain integration like Camino has (it auto-fills user names and passwords on Web forms, not just on login dialogs and specially-coded forms).

    3. Re:Safari v64 by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Informative

      On the other hand, the Safari tabs each have their own close button, albeit a non-standard "x" in a circle

      That's not non-standard. It's a standard Cocoa widget used to close a pane or other window part, although in all honesty I'm too lazy right now to look it up and give you more details. Suffice it to say that the x-in-a-circle close-widget has been used in Project Builder for months, at least.

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    4. Re:Safari v64 by WatertonMan · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I was about to respond and saw you'd made my point. (Avoiding that -1 Redundant score for us kharma whores)

      I would point out though that a lot of people *don't* like the interface for Project Builder and do find it somewhat jarring compared to the rest of the OSX GUI. Still, I'm hard pressed to come up with a different way to do it functionally, beyond requiring a right click to a context menu. But that would then contradict Apple's desire to have a visual clue for action. (i.e. no "invisibile" UIs for necessary actions)

      I should also point out that v64 fixes a bug that kept the tabs from looking right when you put an Aqua appearance to Safari instead of Brushed Metal. (It looks much better) For those who've not downloaded v64 for fear of stability issues, you can check it out along with a discussion at MacNN.

      I'm one of those who hasn't downloaded the beta. I prefer stability at the moment and the public beta of Safari is very nice. (I think Apple just made references to these betas to get the tab fanatics out of their hair) One thing I hope that the Safari final has is the ability ala Adobe apps to drag tabs out of the window and automatically create a new window.

    5. Re:Safari v64 by TotallyUseless · · Score: 2, Informative

      right now dragging a tab in the latest beta does nothing. In fact, the browser switches to the clicked tab on the mouse down, rather than on mouse up. Offhand, I can't think of any other Apple designed UI elements that actually activate, rather than showing pending activation on mouse down. Most wait until the mouse up signal to actually do their job. Im sure if there are other examples someone will be kind enough to point them out here.

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    6. Re:Safari v64 by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 2, Funny

      Both Safari v64 and Camino seem a bit faster, especially Camino.

      I forgot to ask. Does Chimeramino still take like 17 1/2 hours to launch?

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  5. In classic Slashdot style... by pi+radians · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Friday Morning Release Party" is everybody elses "Thursday Afternoon Release Party".

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    1. Re:In classic Slashdot style... by pudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, did you submit any of these? Nope. All the submissions arrived overnight, not during the afternoon, nor early evening. Those who don't submit can stick their complaints in their ear. :)

  6. Multiple Homepages by revitup.org · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm loving Safari, but I really want Apple to implement a feature that enables a user to have multiple homepages, which are displayed in different tabs at startup. I'm not sure if another browser has this feature, but I think it would be killer.

    1. Re:Multiple Homepages by Atomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mozilla has it, I'm using it right now. The only annoying thing I find with it, is that if you have two (out of three) of your home pages open and you click home, you get another three tabs. It would be cool if there was an option to only load the pages you didn't already have open.

    2. Re:Multiple Homepages by no_demons · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I'm not sure we'll ever see Safari with this particular feature. Found this info from tab guru David Hyatt. According to this, all the other tab implementations discussed here were his idea, and he now works on Safari.

  7. Re:What is this, "Ken Burns Effect"? by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

    And, is it Ken Burns Effect (no apostrophe, as in : Ken is burning) or Ken Burn's Effect (with apostrophe, as in belonging or pertaining to Ken Burns)

    It's "Ken Burns Effect." See, there's this guy, Ken Burns. You may have heard of him. Made a couple of documentaries or something, including one about a war. Didn't have any video of the war-- I guess it happened before CNN or something-- so he had to use lots of still photos. The way he used them, panning across them while telling the story, got him some kind of recognition or something. So now whenever anybody pans across a still photo in a movie, it's called the Ken Burns Effect.

    (Sorry for all the snideness. Up late last night, up early today. Bad combo.)

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  8. Camino and Safari by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One interesting tidbit is that they've announced that this will be the last Chimera/Camino release to be based on the 1.0 Mozilla branch. They'll finally be pulling up to the current Mozilla 1.3 branch, which should fix alot of bugs(Including one I find really annoying, which both Chimera and Safari share, the inability to copy/paste japanese text with most carbon apps, yay!), as well as provide some performance increase. This leaves only one big feature on my wishlist for Camino: Native text fields, with spell checking and all. Safari has spell checking, but it still has to be manually enabled for each field, which I consider a bug. Safari meanwhile is advancing at a breakneck pace. Beta62 had tabs, although there were some really annoying bugs (like the close tab command occasionally closing the whole window instead. DOH!). Hopefully today's b64 will fix that, in addition to adding tab support to bookmarks.

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  9. internet explorer by paradesign · · Score: 4, Interesting

    when is MS going to update its IE for mac? it seems that they are falling behind even more every day. or is MS going to pull out of the mac browser market, which they previously had a large claim to. i cannot see that happening though, but i can see a MS browser on par with MS's flagship mac product, Office v.x. if IE played as nice as office on the mac, wed have a nice three way browser war, chim... err camino vs safari vs ie v.x. but seriously, ie for the mac is getting dusty its so outdated.

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    1. Re:internet explorer by bruce.adams · · Score: 3, Informative

      The one thing that IE on the Mac has that I've never seen in any other browser is a great print preview. It lets you scale the printout and see what you are going to get immediately. It also lets you "push" the top of the web page (where the nav-bar and ads are) off of the paper. Safari scales the printout based on the viewing window width (which wasn't immediately obvious to me). One can go through print preview to see what you are going to get, but it's much more painful.

  10. You're mistaken by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, they use the same key combos as Camino. Cmd-W closes a tab, or the window if there are no tabs, while Cmd-Shift-W closes the window if there are tabs (and oddly does nothing when no tabs are open, that's probably not optimum behavior).

    They just hadn't finished implementing their custom menu/command keys in beta62.
    In beta64, you can just open a tab and look in the file menu to see what I mean, the key combos are properly shown.

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  11. Caminera autoproxy? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the release notes for Camino / Chimera, it mentions that they have added the functionality for proxy autoconfiguration (.PAC files). There is no preference pane for it, but I did find documentation about editing the user.js file in ~/Library/Application Support/ / though it still doesn't work.

    Anyone else running an autoproxy and had better luck?

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  12. Re:What is this, "Ken Burns Effect"? by WatertonMan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is Ken Burns the guy who did that Civil War documentary? If so, then yes, that was a pretty revolutionary effect. The problem was that if you have a voice over with no motion going on, people get restless and don't pay attention. (This being the MTV based concentration deprived generations) If you do various pans it subconsciously appears like action is going on. There were many other relatively revolutionary effects in that show. (Great documentary also)

    If you do have a presentation and want to keep people's attention, it really does work.

    As for *why* it works, I actually think that it probably comes from our primitive past when we noticed motion as a possible preditor ready to attack us or possible prey ready to feed us. Our eyes and brain are trained to focus more on change than stasis.

  13. Fight the System! by Cheesewhiz · · Score: 4, Funny
    I just downloaded Camino 0.7 and renamed it immediately to Chimera, so HA! Legal can take that and shove it up there copyrighted, restricted, internationally-patented asses!

    "It makes me feel powerful." ?Hamilton Morris

    Fight the system!

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  14. Enable pipelining in Camino by Draconix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This will greatly increase browsing speed, though it supposedly reduces stability, I've been using it for a long time, and haven't noticed a reduction in stability.

    First, make sure Camino is not running. Then open the prefs.js file, located in Library(the one in your user directory)/Application Support/Chimera/profiles/default/.slt

    Paste these lines into it:

    user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
    user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);


    Note: I got this information from Mac OS X Hints some time back. A handy thing to know.

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  15. Re:What is this, "Ken Burns Effect"? by dhovis · · Score: 4, Informative
    The problem was that if you have a voice over with no motion going on, people get restless and don't pay attention. (This being the MTV based concentration deprived generations)

    That is a little harsh. One of the reasons the effect is so appealing is that human vision is tuned to picking up motion. The other thing is that a TV is not designed to display still pictures, so a moving still picture will look better on a TV than a stationary one.

    And yes, it is the same Ken Burns of "The Civil War" et al. "The Ken Burns Effect" was the developmental name for Apple's pan & zoom effect, but when they showed it to Ken Burns himself, he gave his blessing to use his name in the finished product.

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  16. download manager by maxentius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, you're right that the x-in-a-circle appears to be a standard widget. Sigh. Even Camino uses it in the redesigned download manager. Strangely, I preferred the old way Chimera did downloads -- you clicked, a window opened, showed the progress, then went away. Now, in Camino, a download opens the manager, and a two-inch deep panel describes the download in progress ... and then stays open. The next download adds another two inches to the manager window. Etc.

    Which is where these new "standard" close buttons come in. Each download panel has its own button; when all are closed, the 2-inch window tells you there's nothing to display. Very pVT.

    The red stoplight closes the whole thing, of course. I'm mostly irritated by the beanstalk window; it could be very easily refined with a preference setting or two. In the meantime it leaves me pining for the IE download manager. Yuk.

    Sorry about that widget mistake. I've been running Macs since 1985. First time I'd ever seen it -- and I've happily adapted to OSX.

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  17. Re:I don't. by no_demons · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is Javascript really so good?

    Whilst the 'concept' of a client side scripting language is a good one, the way Javascript has been implemented by the larger browsers is shameful. In some cases you can end up writing 5 different functions to do the same thing.

    Perhaps some people enjoy the pain staking cross browser tester, but not me.

    But who is really to blame? Was it really the Browser War that caused this?

  18. Safari printing is awful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I switched back to Camino after printing several pages from Safari. Safari's notion of printing is actually worse than printing in Netscape 4 was, a hard act to follow.

    1. Re:Safari printing is awful! by bruce.adams · · Score: 2, Informative

      Safari scales the printout to match the window on the screen (someone's idea of WYSIWYG I guess).

      Look carefully at the screen and the printout, the lines breaks in the text match exactly. If you want bigger text and graphics in your printout, make the your window narrower.

      "TextEdit" does the same thing, if it is wrapping text to the window width (seeing this in TextEdit is the only reason is the only reason I figured it out in Safari).

  19. Sweet by AntiGenX · · Score: 4, Funny
    A release party!? Sweet! To bad I couldn't attend. Although, I can't wait to see the video.

    What do you mean there's no video? I thought this was the release party for iMovie?