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Mandrake 9.0 for AMD 64-bit Technology
Wister285 writes "Mandrake Linux has released a version of their operating system that is compatible with AMD's 64-bit x86 architecture. This version is based upon Mandrake 9.0. In addition to this, Mandrake announced Corporate Server 2.1 for AMD64 to be released in April 2003 and MandrakeClustering for Opteron in June 2003. Although they say that you can download the operating system now, I cannot find any FTP servers. The press release is located on Mandrake's website."
Why would you say that it's avaliable for download ... and then not actually have it anywhere? Am I missing something?
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Will it be enough to keep them afloat?
Is anyone really running Mandrake on a business server? I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
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Enterprise server is proprietary. You have to pay for it. Enterprise server isnt like Red Hat's standard linux distibution which is free.
Choose wisely you must...
You can download ES from RedHat's site after you've paid it. You can get the same RedHat minus the Orcale and clustering from any of RedHat's mirrors, just without support, and only a year of updates
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
I did find what looks like the x86 64 bit version, but it's dated 2/12/2003, so I'm not sure if this it it.9 .0/x8 6_64/
ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrake/
the mandrake control center was very handy for my laptop running 802.11b PCMCIA, and the install was very smooth on my ThinkPad. However, in the end, I still ended up switching over to a different distro simply because I wasn't happy with the package management. The defaults were giving me no end of trouble for my perl modules, and overall I felt i could get better performance out of a more customizable (from the outset, such as Core Linux or Gentoo) distro. So while I think they are fine for a great many users, Mandrake turned out not to be my thing in the end. Also, I recommend against Apt4RPM on mandrake...bad experience on my wifes desktop box with that.
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Small correction, the Linux kernel hackers announced their intention to support Hammer before MS did. MS followed suit in this case.
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Lets be honest, it doesn't really matter who announced their support for Hammer first. It was inevitable that that major OSes that run on consumer hardware would support the latest processor series from the world's second largest CPU manufacturer (who are in a great position to topple Intel from the #1 spot).
Pro-MS, Pro-Linux, it doesn't matter - putting a slant of this kind on this is pretty silly. Somebody has to announce support first.
With so much and so many on board with the x86-64 platform, it's fascinating that the industry leader [Intel] has all but written it all of as so much hype. Intel's line has never been that the Itanium is in the same league, which they consider to be nothing more than an extension of the 32 bit market. Intel's position on that is clear. Faster P4/Xeon, more cache, that's all anyone needs. (please resist the urge to throw in the old 640k quote) Itaniums are for bigger servers.
The irony is that IBM once, rather cavalierly, dismissed the PC, they learned the hard way, Intel seems bent on making a similar choice.
Do you need a 64 bit AMD? Well, hell yes, if your budget can afford it. Even /. drools a trough over the latest hi-tech toys and you know once the 64 bit systems hit shelves in the <$2000 range the floodgates will be open. Intel's best bet was/(may still be) Yamhill, but their pride would take a bruising following their little brother.
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Silly...it's ManHamDrakServSetupConfig.
*sheesh*
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Microsoft announces development of AMD's x86-64 Hammer solutions. Mainstream Linux distro's follow suit. Software companies are looking at Microsoft and saying, "We're going to follow Microsoft, they have the money."
PowerPC
Which explains perfectly why Linux runs on the following architectures yet Windows does not, and I can say with a large degree of certainty, never will:
Alpha
ARM
IA64
M68K
MIPS
MIPS-64
PA-RISC
IBM S/390
SH (a.k.a Hitachi H8)
SPARC
SPARC64
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Alpha
IA64
Um, at least until recently MS supported Windows on Alpha, but since Alpha looks like a dying processor (market-wise), it doesn't make sense for Windows to continue to support it. And Windows will run on IA64 (Itanium, right?). Guaranteed. I think it already DOES run on that. Also, Windows used to run on PPC so it could conceivably do so again, if the processor market changed somewhat (doubtful).
The OS is ready for download? What good does that do anyone when we won't see the processor until at least SEPTEMBER?!
If you dont think AMD consulted MSFT with every step of the design process, you're nuts.
If MSFT wasnt going to support Hammer, they wouldnt have developed it.
The company names their flagship CPU line "Athlon XP" and you dont think they have very close ties inside Microsoft?
heres a link for you anyways From april of 2002. I'll even read the opening line for you.
"AMD confirmed Wednesday that it will collaborate with Microsoft to tune Windows to run on its upcoming family of Hammer chips. "
A google of "microsoft" and "hammer" should get more hits.
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I have been a long time Mandrake user (for the last 3+ years, I think) but wanted to try the new RedHat 8. So (as I have /home as a separate partition) I wiped the root and reinstalled. I had a comple of immediate gripes with RH8. First of all, both my partitions have always been resier since 2.4.1. The fact that I couldn't (even under the "expert" mode) install a fresh copy to an already-formatted reiser partition I thought was silly. But I was willing to bend a bit and made the root /ext3.
But I came to find later that the ntfs.o module was no where to be found and I couldn't write (ro) my win2k partiiton. Which was a must. I tried compiling the included source but someone got all these errors just for the ntfs module. Very odd - I've been compiling my own kernels since 1.2.13 and never found these errors before (don't remember what they said now).
Finally, though my harddisk had DMA successfully enabled, I just couldn't convince RH8 to use DMA on my DVD drive - the absence of which made everything choppy. hdparm just told me that was not possible.
So I'm back with Mandrake 9.0. Which I'm generally happy with SAVE FOR ONE BIG HEADACHE. I installed the "dev workstation" setup. But I still find I must keep installing -devel.rpm's left and right. O.k., this isn't a real problem, but I've found that these -devel.rpm's and their dependencies are quite equally distributed across ALL 3 DARN CDs!! I normally have to put in 2 of the CDs if not 3 to install any one devel package. This is infuriating!! Why?
Motherboards, Blades and even a peek at Win64 at CeBit
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Ahem. Of the 12 CPU architectures you listed, the NT OS (3.51 and 4.0) has already been ported, boxed, shrinkwrapped and shipped to three of them (Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC), and if you think MS isn't going to ever ship an IA64 version of windows at some point, I have some prime real estate that I'd like to sell to you.
Granted that the MIPS and PPC versions of NT were effectively footnotes, but there they were.
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According to Netcraft, there are almost 100,000 web servers running Mandrake (look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer).
I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
Think again
I actually just got back from a presentation by AMD here at UIUC (and I won a free t-shirt, too). They oulined the whole hammer architecture and how it's going to be a good thing. By putting the north bridge/memory controller on the CPU die, they're able to cut the DRAM latency by 20% over Athlon! Anyone who's designed computer architectures knows that 20% is HUGE! It only takes 54 clock cycles to complete an instruction cycle, including memory access; if there's a cache hit it was around 30. Actually, the memory read process is started in parallel with the cache hit/miss test and then canceled if there's a hit. Memory bandwidth is also going to get pretty ahead of Intel. AMD is really going to step ahead of Intel with the new hammer architecture. In the future...multiple cores on a single die. That means a single chip, multi-processor system. That'll be huge for the server market! Tech talks are fun!
On Friday, the first 9.1 CDs will be burned by Warly and the gang for internal testing over the weekend. The plan is to release to Club members on Monday. Free ISOs will not be available until after the boxes are in stores.
Yea no doubt. I think x86-64 is a good idea. I mean, the x86 technology isn't the fastest, it's no the most effecient, but it works and it's market share is ridiculously large.
x86-64 ia a logical step. It allows us to be 100% compatible with the hundreds of thousands of software packages that exist today, as well as 64-bit software.
As technologies progress, and the Mhz keep on getting pumped up, the performance hit by staying compatible becomes less of an issue. Obviously the Athlon64/Opteron is not meant to replace high-end SGI type supercomputer CPU's, it's meant to provide an upgrade path for x86 to 64-bit computing.
I just hope AMD can produce enough chips, and I hope they are affordable. Since it's AMD's intention to replace all their CPU products with the new 64 bit versions, my guess is that the prices will stay competitive with the 32-bit offerings by Intel. At least in the Desktop market.
Personally, I can't wait for a 64-bit desktop!
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