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SuSE 8.2 Announced
Venotar writes "It looks like SuSE's once more setting the bar pretty high. According to their recent announcement, SuSE 8.2's release date is set for April 12th. Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features. Gnome 2.2 is also included, as well as a profile manager for mobile users, and gcc 3.3. Have a lot of fun!"
I sure miss the day when you could download the ISO's for free. I think that is why Mandrake is so appealing.
SuSE and Red Hat are the last professional distributions left in my opinion. I'm not very impressed with Mandrake overall. They seem to be a bunch of amateurs.
SuSE's offerings are just plain mouth-watering. Red Hat is a bit of a controversial choice with overboard desktop nullification but the core is very good. SuSE's desktop is AWESOME.
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat. The paid subscription is major bummer indeed.
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From the website,
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
Alex
GCC 3.3 is not released yet; are they hoping that it'll be out before their deadline, will they include an unstable 3.3, or is this a typo in the announcement?
This was reported last night on OSNews. What's with the 24 hour delay, editors?
Anyone know if 8.2 will support ACPI?
This guy is way out there
I totally agree, you could download the Suse Live Eval CD and do an FTP install (if you have the bandwidth) but I still like having the install CDs when I make a major foul-up and have to reinstall. And to anyone who is a Mandrake fan, you can always see the progress that the team is making on the newest releases. I think I have about 15 Mandrake 9.1 CDs laying around from the various incarnations that they went thru to get to the final release. I only wish Suse was as accomodating. But I agree that they have to make some revenue to pay their programmers.
...the "Desktop Sharing" feature is part of KDE 3.1, so any one who upgrades to that version gets that particular functionality - not just those on SuSE 8.2.
*Looks at the KDE 3.1 menu on his RedHat 8.0 machine*
K-->System Tools-->More System Tools -->DesktopSharing
Yup, I'm not mistaken. (APT4RPM and KDE For Redhat are great together, BTW.)
SuSE is a great distro, but credit where credit is due, please.
Soko
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
I feel compelled to post this, because I'm sure in a few hours there will be tons of RedHat fanboys slagging SuSE and going on about how RedHat is the greatest.
I use RedHat pretty extensively at work (Advanced Server and 8.0) and I am not at all impressed with it. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't feel as complete as SuSE. And RH folks, why did you cripple KDE so I can't shut the machine down from KDE? Even your sales reps were amazed when I showed them my SuSE box with it's shutdown screen. What was your reasoning for this?
SuSE seems stable as all hell, and it's hardware detection is second to none. I'm suprised nobody else has something like suse's little hwscan program (or do they). I just pop in a USB device (like a cdrw or a floppy drive) and it's configured, and appears on my KDE desktop. It's automagical.
SuSE plays mp3s out of the box.
It seems like the playing field these days is being narrowed down to RedHat and SuSE. Here's hoping it doesn't get narrowed down any further.
Gas, ass or grass, nobody rides for free
It hasn't even been released yet. Just finishe betas for crying out loud (lol).
mmmmmmmmmmm. gentoo
try it, you might like it.
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
Germany also sees that this war is nto about freedom, or the terrible ways in which Sadam abuses his power, it is about Oil and more oil.
Hate to turn this all political, but that's a silly thing to say. Well, maybe not... if you consider where the largest french oil company buys a lot of their oil. But then again, the french are the "good guys", so I guess we can look the other way there.
Is George Bush a brilliant man? No, probably not.
But he's not so stupid to think he can take over Iraq to use their oil. That's not his motivation. Can't anyone believe that he has good intentions, he's just going about things the wrong way? Where's the reasoning come from? Why does everyone think he's after oil?
Do you really think the world would let him get away with something like that, or the American people?
No.
WHAT ???
The SuSE Online Update (YOU) is the worst piece of s*** I've ever seen.
Before downloading the actual packages, first so called package descriptions are downloaded. Although this is a good idea, they download one file with the description for every single available update package. This description downloading - although the sum of the descriptions is less than 1MB, takes around 2 hours now. (At the beginning, when SuSE 8.1 was new, it was fast as there were nearly no updates, now there are hundreds). The reason for this is that the "get" request from the FTP-server takes long to get through.
In SuSE versions 8.0, they seemed to fork the whole YaST for every description download. I had a P-166 running with 128MB RAM, and when downloading the descriptions for 100+ packages, YaST was also forked 100+, that exceeded my 128MB Memory and YOU crashed.
Moreover, in SuSE 8.1, the update was not synced with the rpm database. If you updated a package directly via rpm, YOU would not know it and would download the package once again and even conflict afterwards with the by-hand installed package (!).
Besides YOU, SuSE is really o.k. for me, I like it personally. I hope soooo much that the online update is better in 8.2.
Moreover I hope that one can save his configuration of the installed rpm's into a file, like this was possible in SuSE 8.1. When installing a second machine, I had to select all packages BY HAND rather than simply reading a configuration file. SuSE support told me they will include this feature in a later version.
Very important would also be that the mozilla java-plugin at last works. Konqueror is nice, but a lot of webpages are NOT working with it. Mozilla is far more compatible.
I realized it's only supporting the WebDAV protocol for synching with Exchange 2000 or later. It still doesn't do the MAPI-over-RPC native protocol of Exchange.
sigs are a waste of space
Prior versions had 1 dvd that contained everything contained on the included 6 cds. Now they use 2 dvds and only 5 cds - it appears the people without dvd players to install the software will be getting less in the professional package. How else can they explain the need for another DVD at the same time they are reducing the amount of software cds. Is it SuSE way of slowly abandoning those customers that do not own dvd players?
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There is a small (about 40MB) boot iso you can download from SuSE's ftp site. It makes a bootable CD from which you can do a network install from an ftp or http mirror. I've done this 4 or 5 times and had no trouble really . . . if the mirror is fast. I ususally leave it going over night. I don't know if 8.2 will have this ability as well, but you might want to check in to it. SuSE is the best desktop version of Linux I have ever used. I really enjoy using it. I finally broke down and bought the CD's though mostly to support SuSE.
I tested the latest state of Cooker (which is the 9.1 pre-final), and it's incredibly good. They have:
- a completely new and redesigned (and simplified) installation procedure, never saw something so efficient and fast
- a completely redesigned desktop in GNOME & KDE (it's called MandrakeGalaxy and has *great* new icons...)
- anti-aliased fonts everywhere, this provides a great comfort of use...
There are also cool features such as NTFS partition resizing, WiFi support and others.
And the best of all is that for 10 days they seem to be only focusing on intensive debuging and frankly it's hard to find any bug left in this distribution!
My feeling is that MDK 9.1 is going to be a real bomb in the Linux world - it's so full featured, easy to use, powerful... I would call it "Ultimate"!
Right? If I can't download the code, make ANY modifications I want and then redistribute it in ISO or other form what the hell good is it? That's not linux, that's some proprietary bullshit hassle.
Suse may make contributions but the their software is Non-Free or "free as in beer" only. Thus in my mind their the same as Lindows, Xandros et al.
Too many strings make Suse worthless to me and its why I'll never use it. That's also why it will never fit the definition of truly free software.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I'm running SuSE 8.1 on three machines right now - my home system, my laptop, and my work PC. I am still learning Linux, but I have tried quite a few distros and the lack of ISO images for SuSE dosen't bother me. Why? Because the FTP install is bulletproof! All I've ever needed to install SuSE on anything was three floppies and the IP of a local mirror.
Sure, it takes hours, but just check off the packages you want, light fuse and get away! Set it before you go to bed, it's done in the morning (at least on cable/T1) - no swapping discs or anything like that. If you're looking to install onto multiple PCs, just mirror the distro locally. It's no bigger than a few ISOs would be. SuSE is also the ONLY distro I've gotten to install via FTP - most others made it so difficult that I had to download the ISOs.
Just my experience, your milage may vary.