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SuSE 8.2 Announced
Venotar writes "It looks like SuSE's once more setting the bar pretty high. According to their recent announcement, SuSE 8.2's release date is set for April 12th. Amongst other nifty features, KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing" that allows remote control of other desktops, and several interesting new crypto/security features. Gnome 2.2 is also included, as well as a profile manager for mobile users, and gcc 3.3. Have a lot of fun!"
KDE 3.1 apparently includes tabbed browsing, the ability to sync with Exchange servers, a new administration tool called "Desktop sharing"..
Oh, you mean just like every other distro that has kde 3.1?
I could buy Suse 8.2 CD's or I could download Mandrake 9.1 CD's. I think I'll stick w/ the distro that lets me know what I"m getting ahead of time. (And just FYI, after I tried a bunch of distros and decided I wanted Mandrake I joined the Mandrake Club so I'm AM supporting those who support my computer.)
I do security
Fuck you you jingoist neo-conservative flag-waving useful idiot for the Zionists.
It's dumbasses that you who give meaning to the word "ugly American."
Maybe if you didn't fill your ears with tripe from Michael Savage (who's real name is Weiner BTW) you wouldn't have shit-for-brains shoveled into your gourd by the mainstream media.
America First! No war for Israel!
so this is United-Linux based?
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Im not saying that your wrong, because you do make a point. But there are two things to keep in mind...
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1. This IS an international forum, (not only americans read
2. Germany may not be helping us, but I don't think that they are "the enemy", at least not yet.
Becides the Germans are talking like we are trying to take over the world. Im not sure they would know what a successful attempt would look like. They are just mad because they are impotent and know it, the same goes for most of Europe. Im not sure exactly what my postion is with regards to your post, I guess I sort of agree. You might want to calm down before you have a stroke though.
GENERATION 25: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social exper
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat.
But for how long, I wonder.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
You left Mandrake off of this list because of what? Maybe your lack of experience with Mandrake products... or maybe your simply biased. I use RedHat for my servers and Mandrake for my desktop units. Each has it's strengths and weaknesses. Mandrake is slowly becoming better and better for servers and RedHat has never been very good for desktops, and is continually making things worse... at least if your a KDE fan/user (I use KDE exclusively).
SuSE plays mp3s out of the box.
What distro doesn't play mp3's out of the box? Oh wait, I know this one... RedHat... right. Forgot about them not bothering to ship the proper software for mp3 decoding in 8.0. At least that is what I read was the problem. I haven't tried playing mp3's with RH 8.0 so I can't say for sure. See, I've been too busy enjoying my Mandrake desktop with KDE 3.1 and the new version of Mozilla (which freakin rocks btw)
Anyway, my point is that before you make a statement about the playing field being narrowed down to only 2 of the many distros, why don't you do some research and see just how many users the other distros have. I would wager that Mandrake has a considerable user base. Everyone I know uses it for desktops (and almost everyone I know uses RH for servers... with a few FreeBSD installs for good measure).
How is it that one careless match can start a forest fire, but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?
AND YOU, MY FRIEND ARE CLEARLY MAD!
Be rational for a minute. SuSE is a small German Linux company which is not yet profitable and has its headquarters in Germany as well as offices in the US. They do not have any power to decide if Germany supports the US in the inevitable war with Iraq, for all you know they might support it. It is greately unfair to boycott a comapny, ebcause it happens to be in an unfortunate political situation when teh company has no influence to change this situation.
Furthermore, you can install SuSE as many times as you want on as many machines as you want, but you only have support for one machine. Supproting SuSE, is supproting the many projects SUSe sponsors and contributes to as wella s Linuc, it is not supporting what you call the "enemy".
Germany is not US's enemy, they just oppose a war without serious proof, not just estimates and guesses decades old. Germany also sees that this war is nto about freedom, or the terrible ways in which Sadam abuses his power, it is about Oil and more oil. USA has supported dictators before and has even contributed to a large part of Sadam's army, and we were good allies before. WE knew he was doing this and why did we not act and what about all the other dictators. Come on, don't believe the cover up.
Hitler was in power a long time ago and besides that if you didn't know, the Bush family supproted the Naziz and donated a large amount of money to them.
Also Germany, has no ties to the attacks on 9/11 or terrorism. Where did you come out with so much shit. No wonder other antions don't like us. Judging by your post, I would definetely dislike America if many people thought like that.
I suggest people use what suits them best not what is more "patriotic". What the original poster said is crazy talk.
please take your medication
GCC 3.3 is not released yet; are they hoping that it'll be out before their deadline, will they include an unstable 3.3, or is this a typo in the announcement?
In that case, most likely they will include the stable GCC as well as the pre-release, as they have always done, and provide choices to users. SuSE offers a lot more choices and flexibility in their setup than people give them credit for. Consider the selection between 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels before 2.4 matured and caught on. And, while they do support KDE as their main desktop environment, they have by no means abandoned GNOME either.
You present it as if you SuSe is a victim of Redhat users here. The fact is that Redhat holds the "Most Hated Distro Award" among Slashdotters, and if there was ever a distro that was 'slagged', it was Redhat. You're presenting the post as a preemptive defense of SuSe from Redhat users is bullshit, because I never see these types of posts. You just want to rag on Redhat and tell everyone how you think SuSe is better, so you should just come out and say so.
You claim that Redhat feels less complete, yet you give no real examples. I agree that Redhat was silly to not include the shutdown button in KDE and I'd love to know why they removed it, but you are acting as if it is some killer feature or something.. In fact, that is the most discussed item in your post, and you even speak of how your sales people were in awe as they watched you click on it (do you realize how silly that sounds?) and I wonder if you have anything better to mention besides the lack of a silly shutdown option from the K menu. I mean, I'm picturing some guys in suits, jaws dropped, watching in lust as you expose this unbelievable "Log Out" option in the K menu..
Just come out with the the real point you want to make, which is the same one many other Redhat slaggers make: Redhat sucks because they did such and such to [insert KDE component here], my personal preference is [insert distro here].
I'm getting really sick of the distro war bullshit. Use what you like, let other people use what they like. If your distro of choice is truly a good choice for someone, they will eventually try it and use it on their own. Quit beating dead horses.
If the only way to get it is to buy it, screw that. I want to see what I get before I buy it.
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Well no ISO's probably bring in some more money :).
Seriously, I'd be very surprised if they followed RH's example, the mechanism just does not seem to be there for it as they routinely mirror the updates to other servers.
Add in Red Carpet too I just don't see this happening at least for quite sometime.
StarTux
By the time 12 April comes around I doubt SuSE's gcc lags behind the official FSF release much.
But it will probably lag behind the official release SOME? And be only SLIGHTLY incompatible?
And this is acceptable HOW?
Distros that ship major components like gcc or glibc from pre-releases before they're ready should be taken out and shot.
But a distro doesn't look like anything. You'd like a screenshot of Redhat 8, but use it, and you'd soon change your mind.
"Both Mandrake and Knoppix clearly out-detect SuSE in some areas."
How? Where's the compasrison? or is it just the usual Slashdot "It's true because I say it is".
Backup your statements or label it as opinion.
"Things that you own end up owning you" - Tyler Durden (via Diogenes of Sinope).
oh, Slackware 9 (which is already at rc2) will have all these features. In fact, those of us running slackware-current already have them. I'm not saying Suse's not a nice distro, but we aren't exactly breaking new ground here.
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Acquiescence leads to obliteration
The best thing that could happen for all Linux distributions is for Microsoft to finally crack the activation process, so that you have no way of installing Windows without a license and a properly activated copy
The thing is, anyone with any technical skills and access to the internet can get hold of a copy of Windows XP and install it for nothing. Same goes for office. Witness the activation cracks, Devils-Own releases, and so on. Bottom line, Windows XP/Office XP is effectively free, and it's a better desktop/gaming/multimedia experience than any Linux distro. The day that you can no longer install Windows for free is the day the average slashdot person finally puts all of his/her effort into Linux.
Microsoft know this, and that's why they still make it possible for the average techy to install and run Windows XP/Office XP at no cost, therefore negating the major benefit of Linux. They prefer people to pirate Windows and Office because it stops them making an effort with Linux.
Exactly, my point!
I am a very busy, but I absolutely need the latest Linux desktop stuff (KDE 3.1 rulez). I go and mirror an archive or two from Suse. It won't install, not even several hours of Googling, tweaking installation script files, re-arranging partitions and file systems. I give up. I know that in theory it could be done, but they make it very confusing on purpose (and it changes every version).
Now they are a company and need to make money. So far so good. However, it is not me who will buy the boxed set of CDs. It is way too expensive, when I know that in a couple of weeks I absolutely need to play with a new kernel, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.something. Which renders my boxed distro worthless, without investing in getting intimately familiar with all the dependencies of glibc, bonobo and whatever.
I would buy the boxed set, if they would allow me to download (in ISO format), Suse version 8.2 - 10 for example. I would even pay for that. Does this exist?
In the meantime I am running Mandrake 9.1RC1 at work, and it sort of works very well. Productivity is up (mainly because I use a lot of terminals to connect to big iron). I haven't booted windows in more than two weeks. That is a record for me, a MS outlook/office slave for the last 10 years. Will certainly install 9.1 final when it comes out.
It must be true, the Linux desktop experience (tm) is coming.
IANAL, but imagine a beowulf cluster of in Soviet Russia all your belong are base to us welcoming the new SCO overlords.
Apart from the fact that you are obviously mad, or George Bush (if there even is a difference).
There were Europeans in thos buildings too, you know.
Siemens, a major German company, had offices there.
Germany, France and the rest of Europe do not support Bin Laden or Saddam (which are two different matters anyway).
But Europe is not a puppet for the USA either.
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
When it comes to package managers, SuSE also has much better network updates and doesn't require a paid subscription like Red Hat. The paid subscription is major bummer indeed.
:)
I've had KDE 3.1, Desktop Sharing and Gnome 2.2 for quite a while now. The whole reason is my package manager, which doesn't require a paid subscription.
My package manager: Gentoo's portage of course.
My journal has hot
I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Oh, and how you are bocotting french wine: You BUY the wine and then you dump the wine in the sewerage. These pictures looked EXACTLY like the pictures of arabs burning a US flag - except there's no flag involved.
And you claim to live in the civillized world while arabs are uncivillized sandmonkeys.
And one last thing: Don't forget that the Statue of Liberty is a present from france. Burn it down.
Im not sure where so many people have got the idea that SuSE is not free any more. SuSE, like all linux, is and always will be free.
Perhaps part of the confusion stems from the commercial (ie paid for by SuSE) software that is bundled with SuSE when you purchase a distro but is not available to download for free. I buy the professional distro EVERY minor version release, not because I need to but because I want to support SuSE. In yast, the SuSE set up tool, you may set the installation medium to be the SuSE ftp site and update all you want. You can install from scratch like this as well and even update your core system (although this will require you to burn a FREE to download cd also)
Just because a company lets you buy their linux distro in a shiny box with a bunch of lovely manuals, some cool stickers (which im glad to say are back in 8.1 after 8.0s notable absence) and literally tens of thousands of software packages, many of which you would otherwise have to PAY FOR, I really dont see why anyone complains.
ISOs are available for non i386 SuSE distros, but as has already been pointed out, downloading nearly 6 gigs when you are not even going to install it all seems a tad wasteful on the old bandwidth. Bandwidth which I might add SuSE have to pay for somewhere along the line. If you can afford the time online to download 7 CDs then you will have no problem installing the system you want over ftp.
SuSE Linux can be downloaded for FREE from: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/>> Now they are a company and need to make money. So far so good. However, it is not me who will buy the boxed set of CDs. It is way too expensive...
Well, if they now know that you're not going to buy it, it doesn't make much sense for SuSe to give it away for free, thereby cutting into sales to people who would otherwise pay for it.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
I've seen in the news how you US Americans are boycotting french products.
Renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries. That's by far the most stupid thing I EVER heard.
Why is the USA so powerfull? Well, we in Germany (old Europe, you know) have a saying that tranlates about like this: "The dubmest farmers harvest the biggest potatoes". Oh well.
Please don't make hasty generalizations, or otherwise you're just as bad as the people that do these things. I agree, it's stupid, and wasteful. It is especially wasteful when people buy the wine and then pour it out. They're pouring money down the drain because they feel it might offend the French. Too bad this accomplishes nothing other than supporting the French wine business or perhaps the American alcoholic sewer rat population.
Some of us realize the sacrafices and the effort put forth by France back during the American revolution. While it was not completely selfless (it was done, as I remember, to help expel their rival, England, from the new world), it was important. I am a group of Americans that realize this and I don't go out and start boycotting French goods or demanding that all of the American GIs in Normandy are dug up and brought back to the US. (Yes, there are people as insane as that.) Without France, we wouldn't have our freedom. "Some of us remember why the Statue of Liberty points to the east." (Stolen from kfg)
Having said that, I am not anti-American. I am an American that feels that, with the proper proof, the US has the moral authority to go into Iraq alone. Why do I hold this view? Because Saddam broke the terms of a cease fire the ended the Gulf War. In that cease fire, he agreed to destroy and stop persuing weapons of mass destruction. Now, remember, I feel that we need adequate evidence to do that, and as of yet, I haven't seen it (unlike a majority of my friends that feel we should nuke Iraq * sigh *). If I should see it, I would support the US-led war against Iraq. War sucks, but sometimes diplomacy fails.
Oh, and I believe that the UN's vote on a new resolution, which does not prima facia authorize immediate military action, determines if they are relavant to today's world. Remember what happened in Serbia when the UN would not go after the murderous and corrupt government that was oppressing people and involved in ethnic clensing? Many other nations supported the US going in then. All I wonder is what the difference is now.
(Posted without Karma Bonus as this, well, is off topic)
If the US want European support, they'll have to offer some evidence that is not faked (admitted by the US prime minister) or bought (23 million $$$ to a Taliban defector!)
We *know* Saddam had tons of chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction so what happened to them? The burden of proof isn't on the inspectors to *prove* Iraq has weapons. It is Iraq's job to show the inspectors documentation that proves that they destroyed their weapons of mass destruction. If we were to go by the South African model of disarmament (which most in the UN agree is an almost perfect model) the inspectors are basically auditors. Now I work for a fortune 500 company and let me explain how audits work. Auditors come in a request information. We provide the information and any backup to that info that they request. If we don't provide the requested documentation and backup we'd be in very hot water very quickly.
Auditing is not an easter egg hunt like these inspections appear to be. Blix has said that Iraq's documentation is insufficient. Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction in the past. What happened to them?! No one knows and Iraq won't/can't provide credible evidence/documentation that they've destroyed these weapons. So we're just to assume that Saddam has been a nice little boy and has gotten rid of them? Iraq is not actively complying with the inspectors and only letting inspectors look around. Guess what... they aren't going to find anything in a state the size of California. Its just too easy to hide things in a land of this size. There will *never* be anything close to the disarmament of Iraq without the active participation of Saddam as long as he is in power. You simply cannot expect him to give up these powerful weapons willingly. He has thumbed his nose at UN resolutions and inspections for 11 years. What makes you think he will suddenly see the light and disarm willingly? Assuming Saddam will do anything but delay and hinder disarmament attempts is pure fantasy.
G. Washington on Government "it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."