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The Era Of Satellite News Gathering

swimgeek writes "The TV Technology for covering news as it happens is changing. This article specifically talks about the transition from ENG (Electronic News Gathering) to SNG (Satellite News Gathering). The American TV networks are close to spending $100 million for this transition, anticipating a possible war in Iraq."

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  1. President bush announces: no war in Iraq by intermodal · · Score: 4, Funny

    PRESIDENT BUSH AGREES TO MORE INSPECTORS (AP) Washington DC 4:00 PM (EST),

    President George Bush has made an announcement that we will not attack Iraq.

    The President has announced that as of today, he is agreeing to additional inspectors to be deployed throughout the country of Iraq. We will be sending 250,000 additional inspectors into Iraq. The additional inspectors will include:

    - 24,000 members of the 1st Infantry Division

    - 15,000 members of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)

    - 15,000 members of the 82d Airborne Division

    - More than 5,000 members of the 4th armored division with their "M1-A1 all-terrain vehicles"

    - Additional U.S. Army personnel, as needed for inspections

    - A variety of U.S. Air Force personnel for aerial recon missions and other "surveillance" activities.

    - A significant number of United States Marines to aid with inspections

    - United States Coast Guard personnel to inspect coastlines

    - An undisclosed number of Rangers, Green Berets, Navy Seals, Recon Marines, Delta Force, and other:

    - Special Operations personnel to inspect Iraqi "hide-aways"

    - MOAB and Daisy-Cutter bunker access devices

    - Special air deliveries to aid the inspections will be made by aircraft from the USS Constellation, USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln and USS Enterprise.

    _The President stated: "With these additional resources, the inspections should be completed in a few weeks (not months -- not years)."

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    1. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny
      Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein and his band of adventurers are standing beside the Tomb of the Unknown Gulf War I Soldier, reading a crumbling old book that they found alongside:

      we have barred the gates... can hold them off long if... horrible... suffer... They are coming. We cannot get out. Drums, drums, drums... they are coming."
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    2. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... and cleans up his own damn mess.

      Seeing as how George has already stated he wants the international community to help rebuild Iraq, I'd say the US will just go in, secure "their" oil, and then leave the mess for others to clean up.

    3. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      lot of innocent civilians ...have been, are and will be killed by Saddam whether we french around or not.

      A man tried to escape to Northern Iraq a few days ago. Bathe Party folks captured him. They tied him to a pole, cut out his tounge and let him bleed to death in public. Guess they were too busy to find an acid vat.

      Let's roll.

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    4. Re:President bush announces: no war in Iraq by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lot of innocent civilians ...have been, are and will be killed by Saddam whether we french around or not.

      What do you bet that when the new "inspectors" are done they will uncover paper trails of lots of dirty deals that were underway with the 'coalition of the unwilling': France, Germany, Russia, and China.

  2. And I was just getting used to... by UselessTrivia · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the crappy videophone reporting feeds

  3. Bandwidth Issues by rwiedower · · Score: 4, Funny
    Already, there are some glitches. Satellite traffic jams have been a frequent frustration. The other day it took Sanders almost two hours to get a high-speed connection to send his report. "Every crew from every network is often trying to get on the same bird at the same time," he said.

    This is the modern equivalent of the old 1940s movies where twenty reporters would see a man shot, then all rush out to the same three telephone booths and all try to pile into the same one, closing the door on each other in the process while they were screaming "Operator, get me the Times!"

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  5. I'm surprised! by djkitsch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm fairly suprised that this isn't more commonplace already. Considering the likelyhood of being able to find a working net connection (or whatever) in the average war zone, and the fact that satellite time is cheap compared to the average network's budget, this should have been done years ago.

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    1. Re:I'm surprised! by ibennetch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a college student (soon to be graduate) studying broadcasting and television production, I've heard of SNG and it's use for a number of years. The mid-eighties, I think (without bothering to look at my class notes or textbook) is when Satellite News Gathering really took off because costs were down and FCC licensing got less strict.

      The thing is, this isn't the same form of SNG -- conventional SNG involves a video feed (along with an audio channel or two and maybe a cell phone call) going out via conventional analog or digital video to a bird and being beamed back down. This, it sounds like, is converting the video to a computer file and essentially emailing that file back via a satellite internet connection. More like wireless networking than traditional SNG.

  6. Radio too! by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
    I'm writing this while taking a short break - I work for a large NPR radio group in the engineering department, and I've spent most of the past three workdays running new video and audio feeds. We've wired in Al Jazeera TV, TV Israel, TV Asia, ESC (Egyptian), and Dubai Satellite television, in addition to CNN, CSPAN, and BBC. We're building a war-room too, with multiple computers, video and audio feeds.

    ENG has definitely changed in the past decade - Gulf War I was the first to really have on-site video showing missiles launching and landing, and in Gulf War II: Die Harder, it'll be a necessity for any station that wants viewers - and we'll have several reporters in the gulf with satellite ISDN and satellite phones for on-location sound bites.

    In terms of cost, we're not that big - not a national network, just 6 stations (with a few nationally syndicated programs) - but we anticipate spending upwards of $15k on equipment and at least $5k for phone/satellite bills.

    Thing is, if you see CNN showing missiles launching and landing and your local news station with just a still photograph of Baghdad, which one will you watch?

    -T

    1. Re:Radio too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Missles "landing"?!?

      Don't you mean exploding/detonating/impacting/killing/maiming/etc ?

      Maybe you could fill us in about video of bullets "touching" enemy soldiers as well.

      I'm glad you aren't in the broadcasting department :)

  7. Yes.... you are absolutely correct by 0x1337 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    N0ne-news is a perfect word to describe news on channels such as CNN or FOX. They are passive, neutral. The avoid anything that might get the public's attention to the actual freakin' news in the world. They are ROT. Here are some of the stories you are likely to see ON NATIONAL NEWS 1) Laci Peterson lost for 2 months now. Had her husband Scott axed her? 2) Girl missing for 9 months found with a hobo and a prostitute. Whoo Whoo. 3) The latest from the newest rap band 4) The latest lamest movie 5) Weird psycho who set woods on fire sentenced for half of her life. 6) Latest psycho 50 year old soldier who feels like going to Iraq for the 3rd time " 'cause he's bored " 7) Crazy Wacko-Jacko sleeps with another 3-year-old. What you are NOT EVER GOING to see on these news 1) Actual news, as opposed to weird shit that sounds like it got pulled out of the "Enquirer" 2) News that explain current American and World events, as opposed to those that go something along the lines of " Disarm Iraq before carpet bombing me" 3) News that don't involve seedy "patriots" who are trying to get USA into a full-fledged 3rd world war. 4) News that have ANY FREAKIN' RELEVANCE to the lives of Americans. 5) Newscasters that are patriotic, as opposed to dancing to the flute of the gov't.

    1. Re:Yes.... you are absolutely correct by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's a possibly more coherent version of the story:

      Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
      By Mike Gaddy
      Published 02. 28. 03 at 19:31 Sierra Time

      On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

      On August 18, 2000, a six-person jury was unanimous in its conclusion that Akre was indeed fired for threatening to report the station's pressure to broadcast what jurors decided was "a false, distorted, or slanted" story about the widespread use of growth hormone in dairy cows. The court did not dispute the heart of Akre's claim, that Fox pressured her to broadcast a false story to protect the broadcaster from having to defend the truth in court, as well as suffer the ire of irate advertisers.

      Fox argued from the first, and failed on three separate occasions, in front of three different judges, to have the case tossed out on the grounds there is no hard, fast, and written rule against deliberate distortion of the news. The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdock, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. [emphasis mine]

      In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation.

      Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was "totally vindicated" by the verdict.

      © 2003 SierraTimes.com

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  8. just goes to prove.... by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...that there are two things that drive techology forward: Porn and War. Before you laugh, think about this internet that you're on right now. It was a military network, set up so that we could maintain communications, even in the event of a nuclear attack. Then think about why it was expanded so much, because people needed more bandwith for streaming video, images, etc.

    Think of all of those fancy moon rockets, which were produced on top of all the reasearch German Military engineers did. Even the safety glass in your car was invented for gas masks long before it was in a car.

    When the next great leap in technology takes forward, it will be related either to (a)people killing each other or (b) people looking at each other naked.

    1. Re:just goes to prove.... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "It was a military network, set up so that we could maintain communications, even in the event of a nuclear attack"
      no it was not, never was, absolutly can not handle an actual nuclear attack. The fact that you moderate as informative on a 'geek' site goes to show how powerfull an urban ledgend can be. sheesh.

      The military has its own nation wide telcom infrastructre that was designed with ' All possible military needs' in mind.

      porn may have utilized the net, but they never did anything that could be considered an innovation.

      So which was it that lead Linus to begin Linux; porn, or war?

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    2. Re:just goes to prove.... by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, in theory, battlefield porn is the next killer app?

  9. Why satellites? by Honest+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my opinion - If I were a Country trying to defend myself against any military force today that depends on technology, I would attack the orbiting satellites immediately upon the onset of war.

    Just my 10 cents though.

  10. How is this NEW? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During the last Gulf War (1991?) Saddam Hussein kept up with what was happening by watching CNN. Understanding the power of satellite transmissions, countries like Iran, which keep a tight lid on what's in the news, have yanked satellite dishes from people, (also, as they claim, western TV corrupts the morals. Ha! Leaders ought to know...)

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  11. media coverage by Senator_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although all these new advances in technology are pretty cool, and the leap from what reporters were using last year is exponential, I still get the feeling that between all the media coverage, and the lack of sensitivity of most Americans, this "war" is going to turn into a Fox-style reality TV series. I do think that there should be media coverage, but the coverage needs to remain serious and unbiased (no, not Fox News unbiased, the real unbiased). I don't think this will happen in the near future, but if this trend continues, TV stations could start hyping induvidual battles just to boost ratings. This is similar to what the Romans did when they would recreate battles for the public to see.

  12. All I can say about this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If You're Happy and You Know It, Bomb Iraq

    by John Robbins
    (to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands")

    If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
    If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
    If the terrorists are frisky,
    Pakistan is looking shifty,
    North Korea is too risky,
    Bomb Iraq.

    If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
    If we think somebody dissed us, bomb Iraq.
    So to hell with the inspections,
    Let's look tough for the elections,
    Close your mind and take directions,
    Bomb Iraq.

    It's "pre-emptive non-aggression," bomb Iraq.
    Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
    They've got weapons we can't see,
    And that's proof enough for me,
    If they're not there, they must be,
    Bomb Iraq.

    If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
    If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
    If you think Saddam's gone mad
    With the weapons that he had,
    And he tried to kill your dad,
    Bomb Iraq.

    Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
    For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
    Disagree? We'll call it treason,
    Let's make war not love this season,
    Even if we have no reason,
    Bomb Iraq.

  13. Differences between bidirectional, live, and fast by benwaggoner · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've consulted on a few systems like this before. This article conflates a few different flavors of real-time broadcasting via bird.

    The traditional mode uses bidirectional communciation, where the anchor can ask questions of the on-location talent. This has the advantage of being immediate (mostly). However, due to the latency of the encode and transmission, there is always a noticeable delay. These systems tend to use standards-based videoconferencing codecs like H.263. Bang for the bit isn't very good, so the quality is poor over most connections.

    The next is real-time unidirectional, like a standard internet live broadcast. The video is transmitted in real-time, but the encoder uses a buffer in order to control data rate better. There can be a 15-20 second delay between something happening at it being seen on television. More modern or even proprietary formats/codecs like MPEG-4, QuickTime, and Windows Media 9 can be used. Thus, quality will be better than the bidirectional mode.

    The next is "fast" where a file is compressed locally, and uploaded as a file. Most of the examples from the article of this type, encoding with tools like Movie Maker or Cleaner. The plus of this is that you can use as many bits as you want, so quality can be great, if you can afford the increased upload time. Also, since it uses TCP/IP, there isn't a risk of data corruption from dropped packets. This is fine for anything that isn't breaking news - expect at least an hour or so delay.
    For video broadcast, ideally interlaced encoding would be used, but it doesn't sound like it is in these examples. Squeeze certainly can't handle interlaced output for QuickTime, although it can for MPEG-4. Getting the optimum settings for encoding is my area of specialty.

    Still, only a few decades ago, the nightly news was produced by guys with film cameras shooting on actual film, and then rushing to get the film developed in time for broadcast. It's amazing how quickly things change.

    Ten years from now, upload will probably be built into the cameras - no laptop needed, unless editing locally.

  14. Going once... by El_Smack · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The American TV networks are close to spending $100 million for this transition, anticipating a possible war in Iraq."
    Man, they better hurry.

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  15. Different vendors's products under stress: by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, so:

    - NBC is using Apple G4 w/Final Cut Pro and Discreet Cleaner.

    - CBS is using Windows PCs w/Avid (editing centers), Adobe Premiere (producers & photojournalists close to action), or MovieMaker 2 (for dumbkopfs?).

    - CNN and Fox aren't talking, and ABC's tech wasn't mentioned.

    So lets see who flakes out and compare quality and timeliness. B-)

    (Note that we'll probably be able to find out what CNN, Fox, and ABC used after the fact, once the info won't give their competitors an advantage.)

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  16. waste of money by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will read it on the net from a foreign news source just like I would anyways, anything else is so slanted and pre-digested as to be worthless for news anyways.

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    1. Re:waste of money by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 2, Funny

      anything else is so slanted and pre-digested as to be worthless for news anyways

      You mean like that NPR reporter above you refering to the war as "Gulf War II: Die Harder". :)

  17. Are We Killing "Specialization"? by cribcage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Instead of huge editing consoles with separate monitors, reporters are editing their own pieces on laptop computers and then sending them like e-mail back to the network through a satellite Internet connection.

    IMO, this is a point worth talking about. One side effect of technology has often been the erosion of jobs. In some cases, it's been as simple as machines reducing the need for laborers. This is a different case. The technology ("desktop video," for instance) seems to offer more options and flexibility to each reporter. The indirect effect, however, is that the overall product suffers. A reporter puts together his own piece of video. This is cheaper than paying a video producer, but the work is likely of lower quality. Untrained, the reporter cannot equally utilize the software; and more importantly, he lacks the seasoned wisdom of the experienced professional in making judgments -- which angle to use, which clips to cut, which order to sequence, etc. (Not being a professional myself, I don't know precisely how many variables there are. Anyone else want to weigh in?)

    Ask any elder newspaperman, and he'll likely tell you his first complaint about today's journalists: "They can't fucking write." Last Wednesday, the New York Times website's front-page photo was captioned, "Ana Palacio, Spain's foreign minister, told reporters today that a draft resolution on Iraq that it supports along with the U.S. may not be put to a vote to avoid a French veto." No, it's not incomprehensible (contrasted with some examples), but how the hell did that dreck get onto the front page?

    Spell-check software has replaced practicing editors, in many newsrooms. A month or so ago, MSNBC ran an article about Cardinal Law's decision to step down, and it mentioned some Boston politicians who had visited Rome to offer their support. One of the names in the article? FBI "Ten Most Wanted" fugitive Whitey Bulger. Obviously, the writer meant to name brother Billy Bulger, a former president of the Massachusetts Senate. That mistake never would have made it past an experienced, practicing editor. But a spell-checker is indifferent to glaring factual errors, and text entry into HTML is a simple task. So writers end up looking like buffoons.

    "Specialization" was one of the first trends in industrial society. When technology becomes more accessible, "specialists" are no longer needed. And more often than not, this results in (1) more people able to produce the work, and (2) far fewer people able to produce the work at an expert level.

    Pros vs. Cons: Is it better to have more voices in the mix, or for the expert voices not to be drowned out? Is it better to practice reporting and video-editing and HTML now, to be competent at all three later...or is it better to be the best damn reporter, later, who admittedly can't tell RealPlayer from Napster? I'd tell my reporters to leave the video to the engineers, and to concentrate on reporting. When you get untrained amateurs trying to compete with professionals, you end up with Ain't It Cool News.


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  18. The Logic of War? by sydlexic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "All right, let me see if I understand the logic of
    this correctly. We are going to ignore the United
    Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that
    the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to
    wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war .
    The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be
    taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to
    guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is
    too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I
    getting this right?
    Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is
    to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then
    we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy,
    as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a
    little thing like democracy as they define it. Also,
    in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at
    home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves.
    We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's
    failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are
    sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make
    the point that might does not make right, as Saddam
    Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting
    the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us
    oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition.
    We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his
    own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in
    the world, fail to understand that, then we have no
    choice but to ignore them."-
    by PETER FREUNDLICH

  19. ObMaxHeadroomRef by gilroy · · Score: 2, Funny
    So, will they be broadcasting Twenty Minutes into The Future?


    Just so long as we get to see more of Theora, er, Control :)

  20. copyrights and fictional news by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I suppose there is one other benefit Fox sees from lying. I can almost hear the laywers saying "We can't copyright facts, but hey, if we make it up, that's fair game for copyright law. Then we can whip out the DCMA and sue someone if they try to report on our lies." Clever. Very clever.

  21. big investment in war by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I work for CNN and as the article says, "Fox and CNN flat out refuse to discuss the technology they have in place", so I can't say much. But I will say that we have been gearing up for this for almost as long as Bush has been rattling his oily sabres. Those HumVee's look pretty amazing (I'd love to post pictures, but can't -- maybe someone else will). There damn well better be a war, we need to pull in some serious ad revenue to pay for it all ...

  22. Not potential war anymore by cranos · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those who haven't heard George Bush has just delivered an ultimatum to Saddam to get out of Iraq within 48 hours or there will be a war.

    I know my feelings on this and I am not going to start a flame war about the rights or wrongs of the impending war. Just letting people know.

  23. SNG by 14ghz · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a SNG engineer myself, I've worked on several of these flyaway systems, one of which is sitting in Qatar (sp?) right now. A lot of networks are using non-live "store and forward" IP-based video filing systems. Video is encoded in a quicktime format, and sent over low-earth orbit satellite telephone/data networks. Its cheaper than getting a 5.5mbps slot needed for live DVB video transmission. Its going to be interesting to see what happens when hell breaks loose and everyone wants to buy satellite bandwidth to go live. I wonder if there will be enough capacity... In the last war CNN had an underground hardline from their hotel in Baghdad so they could do live audio. But now, everyone will want to go live with realtime video, and with affiliate services and networks its going to be a logjam on Intelsat. Bob

  24. paying for editorial by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Is it better to have more voices in the mix, or for the expert voices not to be drowned out? ... When you get untrained amateurs trying to compete with professionals, you end up with Ain't It Cool News.

    I attended a lecture by R. W. Lucky last week, and one of the points he made was that the only thing left to charge for, after bandwidth and processing become practically free, is content. For example, apropos to this topic, well-edited high-quality reporting. Sure, you can have webcams showing every square inch of the planet, but it takes a NYT or CNN to filter that down to something that the average human can digest, given that we all live in real time.

    The New York Times survives because of their extremely high journalistic standards (editorial blind spots notwithstanding). CNN has a massive news ingest operation (trust me :) focused on winnowing it down to Good Reporting and Captivating Video. People will pay for this filtered content, even in a world where the raw data is free and easily available. Or so we hope, otherwise we can all look forward to more adolescent shite like Fox News and Drudge ...

  25. Time for an Audit? by thogard · · Score: 2, Funny

    BSA Hotline: Hello, would you like to report piracy?
    Mr X: Yes, I know some people that don't seem to have thier software licneses.
    BSA Hotline: Can you tell us who's software is involved?
    Mr X: Microsoft, Adobe and others...
    BSA Hotline: They sound like our members. We will arrange for an audit at once. Where are they?
    Mr X: They were last seen at large airbase in central Saudi Arabia
    BSA Hotline: You mean Dhahran?
    Mr X: No, near Riyadh
    BSA Hotline: Sorry. [BSA hotline guy downs a shot]
    [moments latter -- A troop of Marines are pinned down at a very forward position. Their "embedded" photo journalist is trying to get a good shot for the station back home...]
    BSA Dude: We are here to audit your software, can you show me the licneses?
    PhotoJ: What? Can't you see I'm kind of busy right now?
    BSA Dude: We have a warrant.
    PhotoJ: How did you get that here?
    BSA Dude: Do you have the orignals with you? CD's, software boxes, receipts, licneses?
    PhotoJ: They are all back at the office, can't you see theres a war here?
    BSA Dude: I can see you don't want to cooperate
    [BSA dude walks away for a bit of privacy and pulls out his cell/sat phone]
    BSA Dude: Looks like we got one red handed...
    [Pan to a pair of F15's at 75,000 ft, 100 miles away]
    F15 Jocky: TopDog 7, Roger that, bogie is an unauthorized radio source
    AWACS op: Topdog 7 and 8 are authorized to neutralize...
    [back where the action is]
    BSA Dude: [still on the sat phone] I think we should make an example of this one
    [boom]

  26. Re:Sodamn needs to be killed by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about just sitting back as Bush turns into Hitler?

    George W Bush is an evil terrorist and must be killed before he kills others.