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Designers - Are You Influenced By What You Read?

Silent_E asks: "A student of mine is writing a paper on how Stephenson's _The Diamond Age_ offers a good educational model for distance learning. She has been asked by publishers to justify looking at fiction as a way of talking about 'the real world.' That dialogue made me wonder whether Slashdot folks currently or recently coding or doing hardware design are, or have been, directly inspired by what they've read in Science Fiction?"

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  1. why just sci-fi? by plural · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to assume or suggest that all fiction should have a point or a message/moral to it, but all fiction has the power to inspire us or make us question reality/society/etc.

    if you take something away from a work of fiction (or film, or recording, or game) then you will be all the better for it.

  2. Oh my yes. by Art+Popp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whether it was building my first mock-phaser with "real flashing LED" or building the "Ultra-Sonic motion Sensing Alarm System" that I used to hear when my sister was getting into my room, there can be little doubt that Alan Dean Foster did more to inspire my love of technology than all the teachers in my highschool. Even today when I'm ohming out the different connections in my microwave to modify it so my CueCat sets the cooking time based on the barcode, it isn't because I can't turn the knob and press the button. It's because it's one step closer to a Replicator.

    In a more practical mode, there is a great deal in software that is done by ignoring, "what will get the job done today" and paying attention to "what will bring me closer to an ultimate solution." This way of thinking is essential to good design and I can't think of a better way to inspire it than to give the designer several examples of near ideal systems, and the consequences that come from them.

  3. Borges and the Chinese Room by obtuse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a short story by Jorge Luis Borges, The Libary of Babel, and it is a great illustration of an information theoretical point.

    You're familiar with the idea that an infinite number of monkeys & typewriters would eventually compose the works of Shakespeare?

    The Library of Babel contains every possible book of a certain length. The story is written from the point of view of a librarian in this library. This librarian has never seen a book of any meaning or interest, and has never met anyone who has. There are rumors, because the librarians have deduced that the library appears to have all possible books.

    Finding the meaningful works in the huge search space will be much harder than composing them again intentionally, in fact humanly impossible unless you're starting from a very near point in the first place.

    Extra credit question: See why an index or card catalog of the books would be of no real help?

    Now, are you familiar with Searle's Chinese room experiment in AI? This is a room where you submit statements in Chinese and receive answers through a window. Supposedly the person inside doesn't understand Chinese at all, but only uses some set of rules to process the papers coming through the window. This set of rules allows him to compose an answer, possibly even passing a Turing test.

    Does the system understand Chinese? Critics of AI would say not.

    To me Borges' story illustrates a flaw with the Chinese room experiment itself. A sufficiently complex system can't be emulated without some kind of understanding.

    It was a glorious feeling finding this for myself in Borges. I look at AI differently because of this story. I'm not coding AI, so maybe you aren't really interested in my opinion.

    Extra credit answer: Any catalog or index that was sufficiently specific to be helpful would have to contain the needed information, and make reference to the library itself unneccessary. There is no Shakespeare finding algorithm that is perfectly accurate and doesn't already contain Shakespeare. See also pigeonhole problem.

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    1. Re:Borges and the Chinese Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      To me Borges' story illustrates a flaw with the Chinese room experiment itself. A sufficiently complex system can't be emulated without some kind of understanding.


      I don't understand your reasoning. Are you saying the Chinese room experiment is not believable? Are you saying the person in the Chinese room must be able to actually speak and understand Chinese?

      Consider this: Searle's Chinese room experiment is not an emulation of chinese speaking (or understanding), it is chinese speaking. The person in the chinese room doesn't understand the symbols she is processing, but the person outside the room thinks they are speaking to a native chinese speaker. If those two conditions are true, then the Chinese room experiment shows that a complex system can be made of "simple" parts, and you (human) cannot understand how the system works--it just looks like a bunch of random rules that happen to give the correct output.

      I don't really understand how Borge's library story is even relevant to the Chinese room?

    2. Re:Borges and the Chinese Room by mistersupercat · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The problem that I've always had with Searle's thought experiment is that, although any thought experiment must necessarily leave out many details, the details left out by Searle have bearing on his own basic, operational terms: "understanding," "consciousness," however he words the original. The basic question behind the Chinese Room is: Does the room think? Which really means: is it conscious? (Of course, if someone would like to argue that thinking and consciousness can somehow be separated, I'm all ears.)

      But we can't ignore the fact that thinking and consciousness aren't context-free; they occur in a spatial context, and a temporal context. I could be off by an order of magnitude here or there, but by my count, the storage capacity of (say) a 100 terabyte brain would take about 266 million volumes to catalogue, and even given enough employees in this Chinese room to make a response time of one operation per minute possible, the timescale of the thousands of operations necessary to compute a true language response would run into the days or longer - and this very timescale would make the experience of consciousness AS WE KNOW IT (i.e., on our scale, within the boundaries of human experience) impossible.

      As for passing the Turing Test... well, if you asked the Chinese Room, "Why is the Chinese food in Shanghai so different from the stuff in San Francisco?" and it took 45 days to get back to you, you'd probably know it was because that Chinese Room attendant had to sift through a few hundred million books to find the answer. If not more: allowing for the near-infinite variety of responses, to avoid the redundancy that could be easily sussed out in a Turing Test, the Chinese Room would have to approach Borges's library in size.

      MSC

  4. Holodecks will never be by John+Jorsett · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always thought the concept of a holodeck was a silly waste of space on a starship. I think the reality will be more along the lines of lying on your bunk in your quarters and hooking your nervous system up to a computer. The computer would simulate any reality you wanted, and you could be joined by your fellow crew members just like participating in a big online game of Quake. For that matter, that's probably what being on duty would be as well, for most crewmembers. All the stuff a holodeck has to do to simulate a larger space, water, fake humans, etc. is a whole lot of trouble you don't need if you can just input it directly to your senses.

  5. Heinlein's philosophies got me by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of my political attitudes and general philosophies of life come directly from Robert A. Heinlein. I read every book he wrote before I was out of Junior High (aka Middle School to you present day squirts) and they sort of seeped in.

  6. Perhaps. by Fiery · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been trying to study the directions in technology required to make a book such as this happen.

    I'm not interested in teaching english as much as math, though. If I could tell my thin electronic math book to open to the "integrals" chapter and show me my class notes from last week, I'd be set.

    Voice recognition isn't infeasible.

    Do answers in the textbook, upload them to the teacher for electronic annotation; return the annotations to the student's textbook, they correct their work -- and the answer -- and the teacher approves the problem.

    I can map out technological ways to build this, thanks to watching Slashdot for a couple years.

    Given time, or an unexpected infusion of money, I'll be able to make something like this happen.

    Is there somewhere I can contribute my help? I don't have the driving force myself to tear this problem apart and build it, yet.

    I've many more, but not the time to index them here; requests via email, or look, in time, to a project I haven't yet described that tracks these :)

    1. Re:Perhaps. by cascadefx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Check out the book... The Dreams Our Stuff is Made of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World by Thomas Disch, a sci-fi writer and poet. It goes over this sort of topic in intimate and astounding detail.

  7. Arthur C. Clarke by thesilverbail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Arthur C. Clarke and the geosynchronous satellite. Yessir, it was Clarke who proposed the idea of a satellite rotating in the equatorial plane with the same angular velocity of the earth so that it always remains above the same spot on the Earth's surface. Ok, so it was in a scientific paper and not a story, but still I'm sure he originally thought of it as a plot for one of his stories.
    You can see his article here.

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  8. The Anglosphere by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A recent example of SciFi influencing (predicting?) world polity is the concept of Anglosphere , coined by Neal Stephenson in The Diamond Age. It refers to a "natural", cultural-political unity amongst Anglo-saxon countries. As the war against Iraq appears to illustrate this concept, the phrase has come into widespread use, serving as the title of a recent book apparently intended to rally Britons against the EU.

  9. Re:Definitely by davebarz · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Actually, I wrote a paper on this very topic in the field of robotics last year. Basically, the evidence I found is that although science fiction occasionally inspires people to enter a certain field, it rarely influences actual design, at least directly through the designer. But, in so far as sci-fi influences public's expectations, which drive the market, it does have an effect on the macro-direction of research.

  10. Re:Distance Learning by Gefd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've noticed the same thing. And I think that probably has alot to do with the fact that regardless of how much someone else is talking, everone gets 'heard'. So instead of the loudest speaker dominating the discussion, all points/comments that are made get through.

    So you get to 'hear' everyones views, no matter how obfuscated they are by abbreviations and l33t speak.