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Deathmatch for Dollars?

quixado writes "You Play Games is an online wager service where you can bet and earn money for each kill or injury to opponents. You can even cap how much money you can lose in a 24 hour period. Return to Castle Wolfenstein is the first title. The press release can be found here. More info here too. And they said that spending days on end playing first person shooters wouldn't pay off..."

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  1. Cheaters? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How will they deal with aimbots and other cheats?

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    1. Re:Cheaters? by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very good point. Cheaters are a major issue for this kind of thing as aimbots / healthbots / radar / invis and other cheats can't be stopped anyway I know of other than physically controlling the computer the player is using. Every attempt at cutting out the cheaters only falls victim to better cheat code. Like trying to create an unpickable lock; you just can't do it.

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    2. Re:Cheaters? by Atzanteol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Probably through some statistical analysis of your game-play. I had a co-worker who used to play 'minesweeper' on-line. He was *damn* good, and the site accused him of cheating and disabled his account (thinking no-one was *that* good).

      Not always perfect, but cheaters *do* tend to be greedy, and would be obvious to spot.

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    3. Re:Cheaters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've written my own aimbots for unreal tournament. Game servers are great against publically released bots, but if you don't release your bot, they can't prevent it. I sat on my bot for a month before making it public, and if I didn't you would have never seen CSHP (Client side hack protection) in Unreal Tournament.

      The problem isn't just Unreal Tournament either, I've used bots in Quake 2, Quake 3, and CounterStrike. The funny part is, CounterStrike probably has some of the best hack protection of any of the games, and it's spawned probably the best bots of all the games. While the Q2 bot I used was the most accurate, the CS bot had a sick amount of features.

      This is the main problem with online gaming, and why arcades could make a comeback. There is just no real way to make sure the person on the other side isn't cheating. Plus most games vendors don't put too much effort into protecting and patching cheats. It is usually the community, so it turns into amature hour.

      I personally play a lot of online games. I love the idea of winning money for them, but I don't see it lasting very long.

      I wonder though, now if I code my own aimbot for a game they "pay you to play" could I be put in jail for fraud?

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    4. Re:Cheaters? by LegendLength · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bit like your average software developer in a way...

  2. custom client by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A custom binary like seti@home perhaps?

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    1. Re:custom client by Audity · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article:

      "Wolfenstein will be required to have the latest version of Even Balance's PunkBuster Anti-Cheat software on their systems in order to compete."

    2. Re:custom client by sh0rtie · · Score: 5, Informative


      A custom binary like seti@home perhaps?

      that didnt stop the cheaters of seti ,and this is a project where no one wins a cent,

      disassembling/RE gets a lot more serious when cash is involved.

    3. Re:custom client by elmegil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how exactly does that contradict the point that at some point, maybe even now, there are or will be ways to cheat PunkBuster?

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    4. Re:custom client by unicron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but a hack where you made it look like a full scale alien invasion was just on the other side of the moon using the SETI data you cracked we be some funny shit.

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  3. I can see it now... by ChaoS*Penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...frag the Boxing Monkey and win FREE Money!$!$!$ the horror, the horror....

  4. expected results by trmj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    id Software has always been on the forefront of gaming, ever since the original Castle Wolfenstien. It's no surprise that they now are the first to offer gambling based on this style of gaming. It's also a good idea that they decided to break up the cost per death/frag by skill levelled matches, however I wonder what qualifies a person to compete in a certain skill level?

    I only have two questions now:
    1) What legal implications will this bring about? Think about it: parents wanted to sue Wizards of the Coast and Nintendo because they thought Pokemon cards were a form of gambling.
    2) Approximately how long until I lose (note correct usage of the word) my last $5?

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  5. Re:Deathmatch, the profession by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Should it be a viable profession?

    I don't see why not. If big dumb dudes can make millions by tossing a ball around a few hours a week, I don't see why a gamer shouldn't be able to make at least a few dollars by using his skills. 3D accelerator card makers may even pick a few of the best players to help promote their products.

  6. Not the first by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ultimate Arena already does that.

  7. Stress levels rising by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    With the amount of stress some people seem to work up in a simple game not for money, I can't imagine how badly they'll freak out when a few dollars are on the line.

    More OMG!1!!!!111 Yuo h4x0r!1!!!!1111 followed by ping floods no doubt.

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  8. Easy by jspoon · · Score: 4, Funny

    You want to cheat when playing for real money? We'll come to your house and shoot you with real bullets.

  9. Re:My biggest problem with online games by realdpk · · Score: 4, Funny

    ITYM "your gay". If I ever saw "You're gay!" - that is, with proper capitalization, spelling and punctuation, I'd probably be so distracted I'd be 0wned the next second later.

  10. I don't see this lasting, at least not with RTCW.. by bani · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm suprised ID let themselves get snared into this.

    YPG servers are based out of the Netherlands Antilles, a haven for money laundering, major drug trafficking, and organized crime. A major problem for the Antilles at the moment is illegal internet gambling operations. Hosting servers there should raise suspicion immediately. Hell, doing almost anything in the Antilles should raise suspicion...

    Other major problems -- RTCW does not have a FFA game mode, only team oriented game modes. This fits very poorly into a competetion model of you-frag-others-for-money.

    Imagine how pissed off you're going to be when an idiot teammate does something stupid and costs you money!

    Also, this will totally fuck up objective oriented games since players will be so worried with kill/death ratios (because deaths cost you money), that they will totally ignore teamplay (hell, *I* would!)

    Quake3 or UT2k3 would be better choices -- not only do they have MUCH larger audiences, but they fit better into the competetion model they have, because Quake3 and UT2k3 have FFA game modes.

  11. Cheaters not a major problem for Joe User by Zaffle · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The PunkBuster (PB) system is pretty good, they've put some serious thought into the design of the system, and provided they keep updating it, it should prove sufficient to stop Joe User from cheating.

    However, cheating is still possible, but it will come from dedicated cheaters, rather like it does in casinos. Casinos have an advantage though, first they are very rich, and can afford all sorts of checks and balances, and second, players/cheaters are physically present, and therefore can be ID'd. In the online world, noone knows you're a dog, so it will be harder to stop a dedicated cheater from coming back. If the dedicated cheater does not reveal his/her method, then it will be up to the PB team to try and stop it. The PB team have an advantage when the cheat is released in the wild, but not when its kept secret.

    PB has the great advantage of being able to update everyones code at any point. So if someone does do a major number on the current PB system, they can simply change it and bingo, all legit users are now running the new code.

    The big problem is punishment for cheating. How do you stop a cheater? Kick him out? So he comes back with a new account and continues. You need a way to identify a user. The problem is any ID system will be open to comprimise aswell. The big casinos come down to using people to recognise other peoples faces, and you can't do that online.

    If this becomes a very big venture, with real (i'm talking $10000+wins), then the big boys will come along and try to cheat, you'll find they will succeed sometimes.

    The difference between this and normal casinos is you aren't playing against the house, so it will be difficult to play and win $10000, unless you find some pretty stupid people. However, lesser sums of $100 or so will be possible. I don't think that these stakes are high enough for the big boys to play for.

    Where real money will come from will be when they do have a "house". Playing against computers (the house). They'll have to do it so the house wins >50% like they do at casinos, but it could become very interesting.

    In all I think this will become interesting, but not interesting enough to the big boys, so go ahead, play for a few dollars, if you don't make it worthwhile a user risk cheating against you, then they won't.

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