Post-crash Salary Survey

MrRules writes "It's that time again; the 2002 salary survey's are out. This year there's an interesting twist: SAGE, SANS and Sun's BigAdmin site have combined to run the largest global participation sysadmin salary survey ever done. What I like is that this is different to those surveys done by HR departments -- this is real data on how you spend your time, by sysadmins for sysadmins. It'll be interesting to see how things have changed over the past 18 months."

Comments

why do they need my e-mail???

[targo]

Any survey where the very first question is "What is your e-mail address?" makes me very very suspicious, especially when they collect all sorts of financial data as well.
Still, given Slashdot's anti-spam attitude, I thought that maybe they are a decent organization and checked their privacy policy. Vain hope, it actually bluntly says: SAGE might also use this email address to notify you of other related news and we all know what this usually means, right?
Now call me paranoid but I've been burned by much more innocent looking sites asking for my e-mail address.

Re:why do they need my e-mail???

[PD]

They need the address because, contrary to the misleading /. article write-up, the surveys are not in fact out. They haven't even been handed in yet. That's the deal. You fill out the survey, and you hand it in. They calculate things, and then they will hand it back out with the results on May 1st. The e-mail address is so you can have a copy sent to you.

Re:why do they need my e-mail???

[chriskenrick]

If you're that worried about giving out your email address, why not use one of the disposable email address providers such as sneakemail . Then you can create a brand spanking new address for sage, and if they start sending you junk, just set it to block any mails they send.

Re:why do they need my e-mail???

[Anonymous Coward]

I always use this address when I'm uncertain of their intentions:

listme@listme.dsbl.org

It will get them blacklisted if they spam you or sell the address to spammers. :)

Re:why do they need my e-mail???

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd like to clear up this question on privacy policy. Please note: the contact data is separated from the survey data immediately upon completion.

Part 1: The contact data.
SAGE *does not* provide the contact data you provide to any other organisation. SAGE *will* use the contact data to provide you with the results when the analysis is complete. SAGE *will* use the contact data to occassionally inform you of other SAGE events, such as the LISA conference. You can always opt out of such postings.

(Note that the SANS entry point asks for *way more information* than just an email address.)

Part 2: The survey data results will only be provided *in aggregate*. No information will be
provided that may be able to identify individuals, or organisations.

Warm regards,

Geoff Halprin (SAGE President)

If you comply about the US

[LynXmaN]

Take my word, don't come to Spain
I'm thinking about moving to Germany or something like that to get a good pay

Re:If you comply about the US

[Anonymous Coward]

don't bet on that. market's damn tight here as well and if you don't speak german at an acceptable level, you'll have a rough time.

better make sure you'll master the language.
and while we are at it, be aware that the living cost in germany is pretty higher than in spain, so choose the area well

Re:Pay Cuts

[rf0]

Unless you are working as contractor pay cuts are not legal in the UK. I would check with your HR dept or the CAB. If you were fired for not taking a pay cut you would have good grounds for an industrial tribunal

Rus

Re: Don't forget the Indian factor

[Billly Gates]

Do not ignore the India factor. 38% of all IT jobs are now outsourced for minimal wage in India according to the garnet group. This was done not just for companies looking for cheap labor but also to keep the American market oversatuared and thus salaries go down to rock bottom.

Most admin jobs are typically in the mid 30's now for 5 years experience and if you have many years perhaps you can make as much as 50k. The .com era is diffinetly over. I saw an ad in the paper for a jr FreeBSD admin for only 20k a year!

Re:Crash?

[volkris]

Tripple dip?
No such thing.

There was barely a first dip, and not nearly a second. Claiming a third is completely making up numbers.

But then again, your picture of the "tax benefits policies" is so incredibly breaking from reality that it's no surprise you seem to be working from a different set of numbers on the recession count also...

Re:military

[Surreal_Streaker]

Until some of that hostile fire comes your way. No thanks, my life is worth more than ~$1K/month to me.

How about your freedom?

Re:Crash?

[Kombat]

let's give the top .25% 80% of the tax benifits

Gee, has it occurred to you that the reason it seems that the "rich" (defined as "anyone who makes more than you") are the beneficieries of all the tax cuts is because they're the ones who pay BY FAR the most taxes? Perhaps 80% of the tax benefits are going to the top 1% because the top 1% contribute 80% of the government's tax revenue? Hmm?

WARNING: I made those numbers up, but my point remains. The majority of tax dollars come from a small minority of taxpayers (the actually rich, not just the ones YOU consider "rich").

Re:Pay Cuts

[rich_r]

The DTI regs on redundancy and the regs on breach of contracts.
And, as an added bonus, the definition of various types of dismissal.
Enjoy!