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Lose Weight The Slow, Boring Way

urbazewski writes "As spring gets underway (in the northern hemisphere anyway) it's a good time to start undoing the effects of a winter's worth of websurfing and gameplaying on your physical condition. A meta-analysis of studies of currently popular low carbohydrate diets by doctors at Stanford and Yale reveals that they are really just low calorie diets in disguise: 'findings suggest that if you want to lose weight, you should eat fewer calories and do so over a long time period." John Walker's 'engineer's approach' to losing weight is built around this astonishing insight, as described in his online book/weight loss plan The Hacker's Diet. The spreadsheets are out of commission, but the basic insights are an excellent antidote to fad diets." Ramen, Ramen, Ramen is not on the approved list.

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  1. hacker's diet works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Hacker's diet totally works. I lost 35 lbs in 3 months by:

    -eating less than 2000 calories each day
    -exercising every day

    I ate whatever I wanted, as much as I wanted, as long as the daily total remained under 2000 calories. You do have to pay attention to serving sizes to get accurate calorie counts.

    I did the 5BX (http://www.flwd.com/5bx/main/) every day, which takes 11 minutes a day to do. Its simple, good exercise that requires no equipment and can be done pretty much anywhere.

    I was fat and not while I'm not thin, I'm at least less fat. I would recommend this approach to anyone wanting to loose weight.

    1. Re:hacker's diet works by nomadic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, 2000 calories isn't starvation, but it's a fairly restrictive diet.

  2. It's not a joke, this diet actually works. by Tin+Weasil · · Score: 3, Informative

    I actually followed The Hackers Diet about three years ago and lost 25 pounds over the course of 3 1/2 months.

    I lost the will power to keep on the diet and have gained most of that weight back over the last two years, and am currently trying to work up the will power to start it up again. I'm 6 feet tall, so it would be nice to be back to a nice lean 170lbs again.

  3. Re:Personalize Weight Loss by Nonac · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure from your comment that you didn't read this. Hacker's diet is anything but a cookie cutter diet. The constant calorie intake to weight comparison makes it flexible between dieters.

  4. Re:Personalize Weight Loss by villain170 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of people don't realize that resistance training is essential to losing weight -- even more so than regular cardiovascular, aerobic exercise.

    I get a lot of funny looks when I mention this (especially from women who want to not bulk up). However, the key ingredient to weight loss is an increase in your resting metabolic rate (how much energy your body consumes on a regular basis). The only true way to do this is to increase your muscle tissue because muscle burns more energy than fat.

    Obviously, resistance training is essential to increasing the muscle tissue and resting metabolic rate.

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    I am over here... now I am back over here!
  5. The Evolutionary Perspective by TekGnos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Our bodies evolved to eat the proteins and fats of animals, vegitables that we scavenged, and occasional fruits. I say occasional because fruits are seasonal and all animals compete for them so they were rather hard to find.

    Grain was never part of the fuel that our bodies were designed to run on. 10,000 years is hardly long enough for a selection event to occur, and so grains are quite artificial in the human diet.

    Sugar, partially hydrogenated oils, and other refined foods that hit the market this century just add to the problems. They fluctuate your bodies glucose level widely and are stored as fat if not utilized.

    While fad diets are going to fade in and out, pillars of evolutionary data point to what you should be eating- what your body was designed to eat.

    Animals. Vegies. Occasionally some carbohydeates in the form of fruits.

    Bring on the Bacon!

  6. Lots of Confused People by Nintendork · · Score: 3, Informative
    I've been bodybuilding for a few years now and in the process, I've read books on nutrition. The key to leading a healthy life is a healthy, balanced diet mixed with regular exercise and sunlight. This means no refined wheat or sugar. No trans fatty acids. I eat lots of lowfat yogurt, lowfat cottage cheese, canned tuna in water, whole wheat bread with almond butter and organic marmalade, whole wheat pasta with organic sauce (With no sugars added!), organic whole wheat shells and cheese, protein drinks with skim milk, salmon and other ocean fish, white chicken and turkey meat, eggs (Including the yolk since I don't have cholesterol problems), bananas, potatos, brown rice, lots of water, herbal teas, an oil supplement with lots of OMEGA-3s, and a good multivitamin. Personally, I have to eat 3,000 calories per day in order to make gains. For those that are trying to lose wait, eat the foods I listed. Don't be afraid to eat healthy fats from organic, natural products. Don't avoid carbs, simply eat complex carbs instead of the refined shit which has been robbed of its nutrients. Eat plenty of vegetables and don't eat too much fruit. Even fruit has sugar, even if it isn't as bad as refined white sugar. COUNT YOUR CALORIES and figure out how many you need to eat on a healthy, balanced diet to maintain weight. Then steadily lower your caloric intake and increase exercise (Weight lifting AND cardio) until you start to lose weight. Sunlight and fresh air is also important. Do your cardio outside in the sun to kill two birds with one stone!

    If you want to read a REAL nerds book on nutrition, how about one that explains the molecular structure of different fats and explains everything in technical terms. I didn't know any biology before reading it and I was able to follow along. The book actually teaches you all about fats, carbs, free radicals, anti-oxidants, etc. If you're interested in bodybuilding, this one's a must for most of us.

    I'm 6'2". In the last year, I've gone from little muscle at 155 lbs to 10% body fat at 180 lbs. Yeah, a year is a long time, but I've done it in a healthy way which is more permanent and life sustaining. :)

    -Lucas

  7. Physiology... by nsxdavid · · Score: 5, Informative

    I realize this is a touchy subject, but losing weight, even for geeks, is not that difficult if you take some time to study human physiology.

    The fact is that most of the commonly held beliefs about losing weight are exactly wrong and only serve to lead one down the path of endless cycles of losing and then gaining back more. If you've ever tried a traditional diet, you know exactly what I am talking about.

    I, myself, have struggled with it for many years. I took just about every approach imaginable (and a few I won't even mention here). Sure, some things had short-term benefits but ultimately they lead me right back where I was going.

    So what really works?

    First I'll tell you, and for many people you'll hate to hear it: eat right and exercise.

    Okay, now that that's out of the way, here is the semi-techy explanation. Excuse my over-simplifications because I am looking to cover the subject lightly:

    Consider your typical overweight person. He has a high percentage of body fat, and he knows it. How to get thin? Well you could start by reducing caloric input. Sounds reasonable, right? After all, the less you take in the less that becomes body fat.

    True, but here is what really happens: When you reduce your caloric intake your body responds to this as if it were a crisis of famine. Blame evolution, but your body is going to think that food is scarce. If the amount of energy input is less than the output needed to live, the body must make up for the excess somehow. And it has two main choices: It can either munch on energy stored in our fat cells (which would be swell) or it can chew away at energy stored in our muscles.

    In making this decision, the body considers this critical fact: Muscle mass requires energy to exist, whereas body fat requires very little. So, in a leap of perfectly sound logic, the body consumes the wrong kind of weight. And since muscle weighs a lot more per volume than body fat, the result is weight reduction. The diet seems to work!

    It works for awhile, yes. But as you lose muscle mass your basil metabolic rate drops. This causes you to need less and less energy to exist. Do the math. Eventually you reach equilibrium with the input (your diet) and you hit the dreaded plateau we all know too well.

    This is so disconcerting that people eventually give up. But here is the killer: Your body has been ravaged! You may have lost weight, but your percentage of body fat is probably worse than when you started. And now you are start eating the "old way" again and soon you are ballooning back up again. And, often, you get worse than when you started.

    That's the cycle. And I'm sure a lot of you know it really well.

    So how do you break that cycle?

    The basic principle is simple: Do the opposite of what doesn't work. Duh.

    To do this, you increase your muscle mass. When you do this, your BMR goes up and your body requires more and more energy. Efficient and effective cardio and strength training out requires a really good understanding of how they work to do them right. You can bang away all day long in a gym and not get much results if you don't know what you are doing. More on this in a bit.

    Second you feed yourself carefully. I hesitate to use the word 'diet' here because this has nothing to do with starvation. In fact, you typically feed yourself a lot more than you use too. Most importantly, you eat six times a day. This feeding pattern prevents your body from going into "oh my god...we're going to starve" panic mode. You also hydrate a lot more than you are probably use too (10 glasses of water a day).

    I'll simplify here for brevity, but the meals consist of a portion of protein and a portion of carbohydrate. A couple of them you add a portion of veggies. A "portion" is roughly the size and thickness of the palm of your hand for protein and your clenched fist for carbs. That simple hand rule is all you need. Note: there is no need to count calor

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    David Whatley
  8. Meta-analyses and Prolonged Ketosis (separately) by kargis · · Score: 2, Informative
    Meta-analyses are up front recognized as being flawed because they are biased by article selection, and by being statistical analyses of data from different studies with different methodologies, each with their own biases and confounders. However, when there is not adequate evidence to make a conclusion based on individual studies, meta-analyses can be useful in guiding further research -- and that's all anyone's ever purported they're good for. The idea that they reduced down to 107 articles based on "reading the abstracts" is reductionist and misleading. Generally, the approach taken is to find candidate studies that look on-topic, then evaluate them for methodological flaws and decide whether or not the study was done well enough to include. Sure there's potential bias here, but it's known ahead of time. Anyway, that's my take on meta-analyses.


    As for low-carbohydrate diets being the wonder cure for everything -- couple of things that should at least provoke curiosity. One is the idea that prolonged ketosis is good for you. I'm not saying that it's for sure prolonged, as some studies report that the ketosis is transient, but if it's not, how will long-term utilization of the lipid metabolism pathways as the primary source of glucose for the brain and body affect people? No one knows. Furthermore, the observed tendency is for people on the Atkins Diet to eat lots of calories -- more than normal, regardless of what Atkins may have written, and the weight loss is not always as advertised. Metabolism is a somewhat black box to us, especially in terms of individual variances -- some people may have bad reactions to this sort of diet, reflecting differences in biochemistry between people. No, I don't mean fundamental differences, but rather differences in enzyme function and or production that can change how things get metabolized.

    Ultimately, as many others have written, the key to weight loss is increasing energy expenditure and decreasing energy intake. Examples include:


    Cancer -- rapidly dividing cancer cells use up lots of energy, and cytokines designed to fight the tumor also induce anorexia. Thus, more energy used, less food eaten --> weight loss.


    Cystic Fibrosis -- increased energy expenditure secondary to ongoing sinopulmonary infection, decreased intake due to malabsorption caused by pancreatic insufficiency --> weight loss.


    "Hacker Diet" -- exercise (increased EE), less than 2000 kcals per day (decreased energy intake).


    For a group largely made of computer oriented folk, this simple input output relationship seems unusually difficult. Bottom line -- if you don't utilize the energy you consume as food, your body stores it as fat, and you gain weight. This is NOT rocket science. Low-carb, low-fat, low-whatever -- diets can have too much or too little of things, but no one has ever convincingly yet found the magic mix that lets everyone loose weight.

    Just my thoughts,
    Kargis Strong, MD
    Pediatrician

  9. MOD PARENT UP! by nido · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... omg, i've stooped so low as to post a comment with THAT subject line.. Oh well.

    The advantage of a low carbohydrate diet is that the calories you do take in make you feel more satisfied, as well as not driving up your insulin levels.

    This is so important. Read Dr. Mercola's pages on Insulin. Eating a diet based around carbohydrates is a lot like filling your car with gasoline, and neglecting the rest of the regular maintenance - no oil changes, no tranny service, no brake pad replacements, never replacing the windshield wipers, headlights, air filters or tires, etc.. Your car will run, well for a while, and it'll keep chugging along for even longer still - but eventually, the damn thing just doesn't work. Nutrition/food is the same way - carbohydrates provide energy to run the body, but are seriously lacking in the "routine care" maintenance nutrients present in veggies and animal products.

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  10. Yo Grark's Rules to losing weight. by Yo+Grark · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Realize that the world has been lying to you. McDonalds, BurgerKing, and all respectable fast food joints have been getting fat by making you fat. Candy bar companies, soda pops all exist not to "quench that thirst" or "feed that hunger" but to destroy you. No one is meant to be fat. NO ONE no one is big-boned, no one is "natually" fat. I have been 250+ since I was 15, and hit my heaviest at 285. I am now down to 240, and still losing following this concept.

    2. Slow and steady wins the race. I have lost 45 pounds in the past 6 months, not the fastest out there, but at 1 or 2 pounds a week my body is GRADUALLY changing, which means it's VERY fogiving when I blow my diet once every couple of weeks. Like a rubber band my weight snaps right back into losing weight. It's the law of averages, if you eat 2000 calories a day for 3 weeks, then all of a sudden eat 4000 in a day, then the next day go back to 2000, your body expects and DEMANDS that 2000. It won't store the exceess because you're not starving yoursef.

    3. Find your DMR (Daily Burn Rate). Because I sit all day, my caloric DMR is about 2000. Therefore I eat 1850. if you burn 2000, and only feed yourself 1850, where does the other 150 come from? YOUR FAT. It's a beutiful simple concept.

    4. Eat the right foods. I can have 1/2 bowl of pasta or 5 bowls of chili (insert "fart joke here"). It's all in the calories. Lots of calories in rice and pasta, very little in beans. I eat a lot of fruit now, lots of salad piled with veggies and low-fat dressing. Oh and another choice is 2 tblspoons of regular salad dressing or 5 bowls of salad piled high with lowfat dressing, your pick. :) You like Pizza and COke? Just make sure it's within your Caloric intake. Hell I'm vegetarian (a bit harder) but think of all you meat eaters! Lots of meats to choose from with little calories!

    5. DON'T RELY ON ANYTHING. Don't do exercises. I don't do exercises because I know I can't keep them up. Too many stories of "oh I lost 50lbs once, but now it's all back" what did they do differently? Stopped anything they were doing which shocked their body.

    6. PROFIT!......a wonderful program I use for my palm pilot called e-diet has an entire database of foods (yes pizza and coke are in there) and you can modify it with your foods and calories. It helps me maintain my daily calories while also telling me what specific exercise and for how long to burn off calories when I go over (stuff like laundry, cleaning, coding). You plug in your height, weight, activity level, and how much you want to lose in how long and it shows you the path you need to take. Losing weight really is just plain mathematics, which should motivate at least SOME of you geek's out there.

    Good Luck and drop me a line if you have any questions.

    Yo Grark
    Canadian Bred with American Buttering (bread and butter is 200 calories a slice!)

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    Canadian Bred with American Buttering
  11. The Truth about Losing Weight by fluppy88 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Losing weight is a pretty simple thing and virtually every diet out there is the same. All diets try to limit calories whether they are low-fat diets or low-carb diets (like the popular Atkin's diet). Fewer calories is the key, and avoiding sodas, alchohol, high sugar foods, are an easy way to get rid of extra calories.

    The thing to remember about low-calorie diets though si they stop working. At some point your body gets used to fewer calories; your body requires fewer calories. So you'll need to reduce your calories even more to lose more weight. (ie. your body requires 2000 calories a day. You go on a 1600 calorie/day diet. At somepoint your body will only require 1600 calories/day. At that point a 1600 calorie diet will not help you lose weight).

    If you really want to lose weight, you'll also exercise. Exercise burns calories. You have to have a 3500 calorie deficit to lose one pound. If you exercise regularly and watch what you eat, this becomes rather easy. So take extra walks, walk that flight of stairs, restart your exercise regiment--it really makes a difference.

    Obesity is a serious health problem around the world. By getting in shape, you are helping diminish the risk of many terrible illness (heart disease, diabetes, cancer).

    Physicians who specialize in Bariatrics would be able to give you even more detail, and any physician can prescribe medications to curb your appetites. Good luck to everyone who wants to lose weight. You can do it.

  12. What worked for me: a little effort, a mild diet by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Around new year, I decided I'd got heavier than I'd like. I'm reasonably fit, and a good weight for my height and build, but as a result of an injury I hadn't been doing nearly as much of my physical hobbies as usual, and I'd put on around a stone. So, I decided to try a genuine, honest-to-goodness diet + exercise regime to lose that weight.

    For three months, I kept a spreadsheet of everything I ate or drank, with calorie counts, amounts of protein, carbs, fats and fibre, etc. I also kept a record of how much significant exercise I was doing, and my weight, daily.

    Curious facts I discovered while researching/doing it...

    • Consuming around 3,500 Calories less than you would need to maintain your weight is supposed to give around a 1lb loss of weight. In my case, taken over the three months, I was so close to this figure that it was scary.
    • Cutting out a couple of cans of cola at work (or switching to 1Cal/can diet versions) and watching the amount of cheese and mayo in sandwiches at lunchtime is enough to drop 500 Calories a day. No, really. That's 1lb a week just for that, and I did it for three months while barely noticing the difference in my daily routine.
    • Exercise matters, but overall, not on a given day. Over a couple of weeks when my injury recurred and I didn't exercise much, I lost weight more slowly, and after a particular week when I did lots of dancing I dropped an extra pound or so, but day-to-day didn't much seem to matter.
    • If a typical adult male should eat 18g of fibre a day, it's not surprising so many people don't. If you're short, and suffering the inevitable but totally avoidable consequences (IBS, etc.) then try switching to wholemeal bread, eating a high fibre cereal for breakfast, and going for more high fibre fruit and veg in your diet; apples, potatoes, etc. are good.
    • It's actually surprisingly hard to fit 5+ portions of fruit and veg into your daily diet consistently. Most days I hit 3-4: a piece or two of fruit, some vegetable dish with dinner, a glass of orange juice at lunch, and that was about it. (Sure, there was salad on my lunchtime sandwich and my breakfast cereal had a little fruit in it, but nothing worth one of your five portions.) However, after making an effort to improve this area of my diet for a week, I did feel noticeably better. Dunno whether it was just pure psych or whether I really had a deficiency in some vitamin or mineral, but the latter seems quite plausible. And of course, fruit and veg help with things like fibre and carbs, too.

    So there you go. My top tips for healthy eating with almost no change to your lifestyle:

    1. Make the effort to find out what's actually in the food you eat.
    2. Then watch the soda, cheese and sauces. Cutting down a little goes a long way.
    3. Really do aim for 5+ portions of fruit and veg a day.
    4. Aim for lots of fibre.
    5. Don't make a token effort. Missing one can of soda or having a jacket potato instead of fries isn't good enough. You won't see results fast enough and you'll get discouraged. Just get off your arse and make a sustained effort, even if only a mild one, and visible results will come after a few days.

    I lost the stone I wanted to comfortably in three months, and now feel much fitter as I get back into training. And I'm the laziest guy in the world, so if I can do it, anyone can.

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  13. Re:Low carb diets do work by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sugar is not bad. People are designed to eat sugars (specifically fructose). Proccessed sugar - you're right, bad (in large quantities). Complex carbs are NOT bad. They are good because the are easier for the human body to digest than meats. (Meats are protein strands - one strand is a very complex mass of amino acids). Complex carbs provide a good source of energy. They are only bad when consumed in large quantities (americans eat far too many carbs). Meats --- lean meats can provide a great source of long-term energy. It digests slowly, and therefore can last you a while. However, fat is far worse than anything. Avoid fats, they have no nutritional value. Therfore, you should not eat loads of bacon everyday. Eggs, the whites are good for you, the yolks are full of calories and fats. Again, avoid fats. Now, if you happen to loose weight while scarfing down eggs and bacon, it is more than likely that your body can't absorb most of what is being digested and is therefore being passed through. That is a waste of food, and prooves dangerous as it restricts important vitamins and minerals. I will stress that you eat fruits and vegitables. They have important nutrients. They are lower in calories than many other foods. The fructose found in fruits is actually good for the body. Don't beleive me? Fine, but don't come crying to me when you have a heart attack and die. And remember, being low in weight does not make you healthy. Nutrients are important, as is such invisible things as clogged arteries. So excersize, and eat a balanced diet. Such is the key to health.

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  14. Re:Actually low carb does work. by delfstrom · · Score: 4, Informative
    Correct about very low carbs and bodybuilding, it does indeed melt the fat off, though it's hard to keep it up for more than a few weeks.
    You must eat fat if you want your body to remember how to burn it, your body burns what you eat, if you eat low fat and high carbs your body burns carbs, if you eat high fat low carb your body burns fat, and if you eat high protien and low everything, your body burns protien.
    That is a gross oversimplification. Your body will burn whatever you feed it, and if it doesn't have enough it will switch to burning fat for low-level energy expenditure and will use your own muscle tissue up if you don't have dietary sources of protein. That's why you have to be careful when restricting calories!

    When is a calorie not a calorie? When it's protein. 1 g of protein has the same calories as 1 g of carbohydrate. However, it takes your body more energy to digest the protein, so the net result is that 1 g of protein provides you, in the end, with less calories than 1 gram of carbs. That is also something to consider if you're on a high-protein bodybuilding type diet.

  15. Less Soda by fliplap · · Score: 2, Informative

    A couple quick tips for people who don't want to try very hard and don't mine losing the weight slowly:

    STAY BUSY. Always have something todo, no this doesn't mean sitting in front of the computer all day.That isn't something todo, go running, play a sport, work on your car or even just hang out at a friends house...it will keep you away from the fridge when you're bored.

    DRINK LESS SODA, or none at all. Not even diet soda, see the next section for my shpeil on corn syrup. I just stopped buying the stuff, all I drink is water now, and occasionally, fruit juice. REAL fruit juice, not hawiian punch.

    AVOID High Fructose Corn Syrup. It turns into fat faster than almost anything else, processed sugars in general do this. The thing about processed sugars is that you're going to find them in almost any sweetened processed food. The deal is that corn syrup is much much cheaper than regular sugar, but also much worse for you. Which do YOU think is more important to food producers?

    Anyway, thats about it. I mean, if you really want to look good and be healthy, not just thin, go exersize.

    AND GUYS: Don't use "She care more about my mind" as an excuse to not work out. The truth is, she DOES care more about your mind, but you probably won't get a chance to talk to her if you don't look good first.

  16. OK - let's review biochemistry by chriso11 · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, the basis of energy consumption in your body called the Krebbs cycle. The input is sugar (glucose, to be specific) and oxygen. The output is water, carbon dioxide, and energy stored in the bonds of a ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This chemical reaction is fixed. While the body can operate in an anaerobic process, this occurs when vigerously exercising. Even then, the input is still glucose.

    Any sugar or starch you consume is converted to glucose. Sucrose is two glucose molcules stuck together. Fructose is a sugar with 1 carbon missing. Starch is a chain of sugars. All of these are converted into glucose.

    So, what happens when not enough sugar is around? The body draws on the reserves of fat and protein. Glucose is able to come out of fat pretty easily. For protein, the body does some complex conversion which use the protein to create glucose to stuff into the Krebbs cycle. The downside is some unpleasant byproducts need to be dealt with by the liver.

    So why does the body burn fat and protein? Because, when you burn protein, you reduce muscle mass, and hence your caloritic requirements. Kind of like a layoff.

    Ok, so after all that: Glucose (sugar) is the only thing the body "burns". It all comes down to how much you take in. It is simply accounting. If you eat more than you need, you gain weight. If you eat less, your body starts cutting back on muscle and uses up fat. Carbs have 5 cal/gram, while fat has 9cal/gram (I don't remember protein).

    So you can think all you want about high GI and low GI and fat and so on. You still get X cals from Y grams of carbs, and X cals from 5/9Y grams of fat. End of story.

    I think that the real reason that these diets are effective is because they are less "boring" than high carb diets and also self-limiting. If you can only eat the patty and not the bun, how many burgers are you going to stuff in your face?

    Of course, my belief is that people really evolved eating mainly vegetables and only occasionally fruit, meat, and grains. Do I eat that way? Hell no! But I do try to eat vegetables whenever I can.

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    No, I don't trust in god. He'll have to pay up front, like everybody else.
    1. Re:OK - let's review biochemistry by smcdow · · Score: 2, Informative
      Carbs have 5 cal/gram, while fat has 9cal/gram

      This assumes that you're "combusting" the carbs or fats all the way down to H2O and C02 to realize those calories, which is what happens in normal metabolism.

      A big point of low-carb diets is to induce what Atkins calls "benign dietary ketosis" (BDK). By keeping insulin levels low, you induce ketosis. This produces free-body ketones in your bloodstream, which you then get rid of by pissing.

      There is energy in the keytones (compared to H2O and C02) that is pissed out. They're not "combusted" all the way down to H20 and CO2, so not all the energy (calories) is realized. You could think of the keytones as being an intermediate metabolic step towards complete "combustion". Keeping that in mind, you can think of the caloric value in carbs and fats as being less during BDK than when not during BDK.

      It's still all about fewer calories. It's just how get get to those fewer calories.

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      In the course of every project, it will become necessary to shoot the scientists and begin production.
  17. Re:Lean Weighs more than Fat by johnrpenner · · Score: 4, Informative


    if you want to be lean, you actually have to weigh MORE,
    since lean strong muscles weigh more than fat, but they
    look more toned.

    therefore, using weight to guage fitness is totally bogus.
    a lean person will look 'skinnier' but weigh MORE.

    the other thing that makes people fat is 'Low Fat' food.
    if all you eat is low-fat stuff, your body never gets the
    nutrition it needs, and hence you have to eat more of
    the stuff to make up your body's requirements. the best
    thing to do if you want to lose weight is to eat more
    of the 'Regular Fat' foods, and then your body won't
    need so much of the stuff to feel 'full'.

    best regards,
    john

  18. My experience with the Hacker's Diet by blop · · Score: 4, Informative

    It works great, especially for engineers/programmers!

    The hacker's diet is very simple: you can eat whatever you want, just make sure you eat less calories than what your body needs. You can feed on hamburgers if you want as long as you eat less. You can worry about exercising or eating healthy stuff later, this will come automatically once you've lost some weight.

    4 years ago I was at 215 lbs (for 5'10), loathed any form of physical activity, and was not very happy about this situation. After skimming through the hacker's diet I decided to lower my daily food intake to around 1000-1200 cal (the average intake for a man is between 2000-2500 cal)

    This wasn't very pleasant at first but it worked and 12 months later I was down to 155 lbs (60 pounds less), without any exercise at all. To keep the same weight I started eating a bit more and I immediately felt like running everywhere instead of walking! So I bought a bike to get some low impact exercise and a year afterwards I found myself cycling 20 miles every day to work (not in the snow though)

    Today, 4 years after I started this very simple diet, I'm still at 155 lbs, very active and generally much happier. Also I'm not closely counting calories anymore as my body automatically knows how much food is enough.

    The most difficult part I found when starting the diet was evaluating calories in food. You can find calories on most food labels (usually in cal/100g of product) but it took me a while to learn what type of food would bring me the best quantity/energy ratio. I found some great low cal food are veggies (I am lucky to love beans and 1kg of beans is about 200cal - you can stuff yourself on this without any problem), chicken, fish...
    All this food happens to be very healthy too, so as you see there is no need to worry about knowing what's healthy and what's not because if you want to eat a lot (as in volume) without taking in too many calories, it will have to be healthy food anyway.

    Read the Hacker's Diet for more info, it is definitely worth it!!

    BTW the first time I heard about the Hacker's diet was on Slashdot, 4 years ago.

    blop.

  19. Re:YES! DRINK NOT SNACK! by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    You will find that a nice cold glass of water/juice more than cures your hunger for the few hours until your next meal.

    Orange juice 8oz: 100 to 120 calories
    Coke (or cola)8oz: 95 calories

    Didn't want to argue, its just shocking how many calories, and carbs are in fruits and juices. You would have been better off with the coke. (fructose is not much better than sucrose)

    I prefer the Atkins approach. I researched it for many months and spoke with my doctor about it. In spite of rumors to the contrary, it is quite healthy if done correctly. I have lost 20 pounds, 10 more to go, and feel better than I ever have. I lose it slow, and never go hungry. Ever.

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    Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
  20. Re:Low carb diets do work by Tim · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's aboslutely appalling that the above post was modded up as informative. From the first sentence to the last, it's filled with half-true statements, and reeks of absurd pseudo-science.

    First off: "The body is not designed to burn sugar."

    Ugh. Go to the bookstore. Pick up an introductory biology textbook (biochemistry would work too). Find out that, in fact, the preferred source of energy for living organisms is sugar. Can the human body process other compounds for energy? Yes, but you'll find that none of these processes are as efficient as the catalysis of sugar for energy production, and that nearly all are overlooked in favor of glycolysis when glucose is present.

    Next: Bacon is easier to burn and digests slowly

    First, you have to define "digest," and you have to define "burn." If, by digest, you mean that a chunk of bacon is absorbed by the intestines less rapidly than a chunk of rice, you may or may not be correct. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that the body will absorb these things, and will somehow break these foods down into molecular units it can use. Fat, protein and sugar can all be converted to glucose through molecular pathways of varying efficiency -- this is what is traditionally meant by the "burning" of food.

    Now, is bacon really easier to "burn" than rice? No. That's the opposite of the truth, actually. Bacon is muscle, which means that it is mostly protein and fat. And protein digestion is the metabolic pathway of last resort in humans. Thus, the body will (in an average person), digest the fat in the bacon first (and don't forget that, pound for pound, fat contains 9 times the caloric content of sugar!), store whatever it doesn't use as fat, use some of the protein for non-metabolic needs, and, most likely, squirt the rest of the protein out through the kidneys (via the liver). This is why people on extremely-high protein diets tend to have problems with kidney and liver function later in life.

    Moving on: "Rice has no fat, so your hormones may get out of balance."

    Bzzzt. Wrong again. Let's take another look at that biology 101 textbook: hormones are, by and large, cholesterol derivatives. Testosterone? Cholesterol. Estrogen? Ditto. In fact, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find an important human hormone that wasn't derived from cholesterol, metabolically. And guess what? Plants have cholesterol too. More than enough for hormone synthesis needs, actually. This fact has been well-known by dieticians and doctors for decades.

    So what about this gem: "Rice...is a complex carb, your body is not designed to handle it, so it takes a longer time to burn"

    Nope. Compared to the protein or fat in bacon, rice is trivial for the body to "burn". It might take a smidge longer to digest, depending on how it's cooked, but we're not talking nutritionally-important differences here (your body will digest it one way or another). And the suggestion that the human body "is not designed to handle" complex carbohydrates? Utter nonsense. Go spit in a glass. See that? You're looking at a highly efficient mixure of enzymes, designed by evolution specifically for the digestion of complex carbohydrates. Pick up that biology book again...look up "alpha amylase," and you'll see what I mean.

    So once we clear away the pseudo-science, what are we left with? Well, we know that protein is burned more slowly than fat, which is burned more slowly than sugars. And carbohydrates are sugars. So there is a bit of truth to your conclusion: when we eat high-protein diets, the body will find other mechanisms to meet it's sugar needs. It will do everything it can to create glucose without digesting protein. Of course, in the real world, no one eats pure protein (and for good reason -- see above), and protein has the nasty habit of coming in animal form, which means that lots of fat comes with it. It doesn't take much fat

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    Let's try not to let fact interfere with our speculation here, OK?
  21. Re:Low carb diets do work by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Informative
    Complex carbs are NOT bad.

    I don't buy this complex carb theory. It's not how complex the carb is, it's how quickly it is absorbed, and how good for you the food is. Maltodextrin is a complex carb, but is absorbed the most quickly of any carbohydrate.

    Check out the Glycemic Index (GI). If you eat mainly low GI foods, you will generally be less hungry, and your body will have more time to deal with the carbs without turning them into fat.

    Eating some fruit every day is great. However if you eat a lot of fruit every day, then it's probably bad for you (e.g. a dozen tangerines).

    However, fat is far worse than anything. Avoid fats, they have no nutritional value. Therfore, you should not eat loads of bacon everyday. Eggs, the whites are good for you, the yolks are full of calories and fats. Again, avoid fats.

    Nope. Fats are essential for life. A whole egg per day is GOOD for you. (Some early research said otherwise, however it turned out they were using dried eggs, fresh eggs turn out to be ok, and contain vitamins). However you should definitely minimise saturated and hydrogenated fats. Unsaturated should be eaten in moderation, and monounsaturated- eat lots of that.

    Meats --- lean meats can provide a great source of long-term energy.

    Yeah lean meat is good; fish (particularly oily fish) is as good or better.

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    -WolfWithoutAClause

    "Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
  22. Ahem... no! by frenchs · · Score: 5, Informative

    1 gram of protein does not have the same caloric content as 1 gram of carbohydrate.

    1 gram carbohydrate = 4.3 kcal
    1 gram fat = 9.5 kcal
    1 gram protein = 5.7 kcal

    But you were right on the other part. It does take more energy to digest the protein, as it needs to be converted by the liver into a usable sugar.

    SF

  23. Re:Let them poke fun by tezzery · · Score: 3, Informative

    i've been playing ddr on and off for the past year or so.. i'm not 16 or 17 like a lot of the ddr players at the local arcade but you know what? i still play it anyway.. some of my work friends think its stupid but i'd like to see one of them even try doing afronova in basic ;P

    ddr rules

  24. Re:Low carb diets do work by Golias · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ha ha, reminds me of the Jim Fixx (or whatever the runner's name was) diet .. lots of excercise, low calories, and have eggs and bacon for breakfast every morning.

    Jim Fixx had a genetic proclivity to heart problems. Several of his relatives died very young.

    Jogging added about 10-15 years to his life. He also wrote one of the best books about running (for fun and competition) ever written.

    But there's a lot of fat-assed idiots out there who can't resist giggling at a potential "Ironic" tag on Fark.com whenever a health nut dies, regardless of what the real facts are.

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  25. Re:Lean Weighs more than Fat by skraddah · · Score: 4, Informative

    OK, good points, but just a caveat, "strong muscle weigh more than fat" makes no sense. 1 lb. of muscle weighs the same as one 1lb of fat. Are you talking about weight per volume? a fit person WILL weigh more for several reasons: fat (per volume) weighs less than muscle AND they will have more muscle, and aerboic execise increases blood volume and therefore water weight. no excuses people, get off your seat and run a little every day.

  26. Re:theresa accountant in there by Golias · · Score: 2, Informative
    Any civalized diet is going to have to curb the feeling of hunger

    I can help. Here's what you do, and I promise you it works:

    1. Before each meal, drink an entire glass of ice water.

    2. Eat your meal slowly and leisurely until full, but not stuffed. Avoid reading or watching TV while eating your meal, because it tends to make you sit there and keep eating, distracted from the fact that you are already full.

    3. Drink another full glass of ice water after your meal.

    4. Don't snack between meals. Avoid sodas, and consume alchohol in moderation.

    5. Weigh yourself every morning, right after you wake up and have that first piss. Record the weight so you can see how it's changing.

    6. Try to get out and excercise a little bit more.

    7. Fast food like you get at McDonalds or Burger King is expensive and tastes shitty. Quit eating it, and you will be surprised at how much you don't miss it once you are eating real food every day. Insist on sit-down restaurants or home cooking.

    8. Don't expect to lose weight any faster than about 5 pounds a month if you are currently very heavy, and slower if you are in pretty good shape.

    9. (Most importantly) Don't be religious abotu any of these rules. Live your life and be happy. Go ahead and read a sci-fi novel while scarfing down a Big Mac once in a while. As long as you are mostly eating better and living more healthilly, it's not going to be the end of the world.

    Follow all of that, and you will get slim and fit without drastically changing your lifestyle. I have gradually lost more than 60 pounds that way so far. I'm never hungy, even a little bit.

    The only reason why you never hear about programs like what I just laid out is because it's too simple and obvious. There's not enough to it to fill up a $50 text, or make into a $20/month program. Here's the thing though: it works.

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    Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

  27. Re:Solution to American Obesity Found! NOT! by stud9920 · · Score: 2, Informative
  28. Hacker's Diet spreadsheets by John+Walker · · Score: 2, Informative
    >> The spreadsheets are out of commission

    If the Hacker's Diet spreadsheets are "out of commission", this is news to me. I wrote them and have used them continuously since 1990. The Excel spreadsheets are available in six--count 'em--six versions compatible with every release of Excel from 2.1 through 2002 (Office XP). This is, of course, five more versions than should have been necessary, but the perpetrators of Excel prefer to treat users' investment in macros as a wasting asset rather than capital.

    Being a multiple-document Excel spreadsheet, you need to open the main log document from the "Open" menu within Excel rather than clicking on the document icon or using the recent documents menu. Otherwise Excel won't find the associated history database which is cleverly hidden in the very same directory as the main spreadsheet. This "enhancement" first appeared in Excel 5.0 and has never been remedied by any subsequent version. As long as you open the main log from the "Open" menu, everything works fine. The Excel macros are unprotected; you can modify them as you wish.

    The Hacker's Diet software tools are also available in a Palm OS edition, which can interchange data with the Excel spreadsheet and/or produce desktop logs in HTML format on any platform which can talk to a PalmOS PDA and run C programs. Complete source code, in the public domain, is available for all of this, either from my site through the link above or via CVS from SourceForge.

  29. Re:Lean Weighs more than Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "And fat is not nutritious. "

    This just isn't true. Olives, nuts and certain kinds of fish all have fat in them that is good for your heart and the fish (and flax seeds) contain omega 3 fatty acids.

  30. Re:YES! DRINK NOT SNACK! by jsinger · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is true that the OJ has more calories, but you are still better off drinking it for a number of reasons:

    1. the glycemic index rating of OJ is much lower than coke's index. this translates to a difference in the amount of insulin that is released when you ingest the product, and is directly proportional to the energy you gain, the effect you feel later (slump) and the amount that goes directly to fat cells.

    2. OJ has VITAMINS! Gasp! Coke? ZILCH.

    Regardless.. both of these drinks will leave you dead tired after the sugar wears off. I'd drink OJ over Coke, but water is by far the best choice.

    ~j

  31. Re:The human diet! by mgv · · Score: 2, Informative

    The equation is simple. Burn more calories than you ingest.

    Using the same logic, one can treat kidney failure by drinking less fluid - if you drink only as much fluid as you lose, you cant get fluid retention and swell up (as people in kidney and heart failure tend to do).

    But the problem with this "black box" analysis of the human body is that it grossly simplifies the idea of metabolism. The body is alot more complex than this, and people are just starting to realise this. Delete a gene from a mouse, and it gets fat, even on the same caloires of a normal mouse. Or give a human some amphetamines and watch them lose weight.

    Point is, we didn't spend thousands of years in evolution without developing tight regulation of our metabolism. Thus the problem with simply dieting - for most people, in the long run, it just doesn't work. Because they are fighting their programming. And telling them to eat less than they burn is as useful as telling someone in heart failure to drink less water.

    My 2c

    Michael

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    There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
  32. Re:ICE COLD Water by smerritt · · Score: 2, Informative

    One calorie is the amount of heat needed to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree Celsius.

    Truly ice-cold water is at 0C. Body temperature is 37C. That means that if you drink 250 mL of ice-cold water, it'll take 250*37 = 9250 calories to raise that water to body temperature.

    Those are chemist's calories, though, not food calories. A food calorie is one kilocalorie, so in terms of food, drinking a glass of ice-cold water burns about 9 calories. You'd do better to drink the water at your preferred temperature and just take the long way back to your computer from the water cooler.