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Safari Beta 2 Available

pldms writes "Safari Beta 2 is available via Software Update or from the Safari page. This is build 73, for those who've had 'exclusive' access to previous development versions since beta 1 ;-) The blurb: 'Safari Beta 2 introduces tabbed browsing to conveniently see and switch between multiple web pages in a single window, and AutoFill to instantly fill out web forms and password fields. This update also features increased standards compatibility and improved application stability.'" I had to set Lax Certificate Checks in the Debug menu to use it with Slashdot ... and its secure cookie check is still quite broken (either saves secure cookies without the secure flag, or sends out secure cookies to insecure sites, which would violate RFC 2965 where it says "no less than the same level of security").

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  1. Keyboard Implementation by henele · · Score: 5, Informative

    For a touch of karma whoring, for the people who never played around with an 'unreleased' beta (which includes me), the keyboard/mouse controls for tabbed browsing (which is turned off by default, and has it's own tab in the new Safari Preferences).

    Apple-Click : Opens a link in a new tab.
    Apple-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new tab and selects it.
    Apple-Option-Click : Opens a link in a new window behind the other one.
    Apple-Option-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new window and selects it.

    There is also the check box option to always display the tab bar, plus 'Select new tabs as they are created', which alters the above keyboard setup.

    I'm on my iBook at the moment, so I'm not sure how these interface with multi-button mice, but I guess you could configure the buttons to correlate with these modifiers, if you haven't already...

    1. Re:Keyboard Implementation by henele · · Score: 5, Informative

      Additionally, tabs aren't specifically noted in the 'Window' menu - there is not distinction between a window containing one page and one tab of many in a different window.

      Secondly

      Apple-Shift-Left or Right : Switches to the previous or next tab in a window, which is nice. It is also circular, so going right when browsing the final tab will bring you back to the first...

    2. Re:Keyboard Implementation by fhammond · · Score: 5, Informative

      It gets better..

      You can use these features with the right-mouse-button click google.com search. This is where you RMB click a word and one of the options is a google search of that word. Before this new build, it wasn't that useful, as the google search would be done in the same window (i.e. navigating you away for the page you were on).

      Safari rocks!

  2. New: "Open in Tabs" item in Bookmarks Bar menus by Rouxfus · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a novel new feature related to the Tabs that bears mention. If you have folder/menus in your Bookmark Bar populated with bookmarks, there's now a menu item at the bottom of that pull-down menu that says "Open in Tabs". If you select this it will create a new tab for all the bookmarks in that group of bookmarks! This is similar to a feature in Camino that lets you set up tab groups. What I'd like to see is the ability to save a tab group or "workspace" out to a special .webloc type file that I can use to launch a bunch of URLs from the dock, or by double clicking, etc. Maybe there's a way to do this right now?

  3. Re:The perfect browser? by pldms · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hmm. I'm not sure about perfect, but I was with you in spirit for a while as I tried out the new version. It's an impressive upgrade. Tabs are nice. Speed has improved. All looked well...

    Then I went to an ftp site.

    For those unaware, Safari can't browse ftp. It delegates it to another application. This is curious, yet might be ok if weren't for the fact that the application in question is the finder, which attempts to mount the ftp site as a disk.

    Annoying. And it gets worse, because mounting a remote ftp site often seems to threadlock the entire OS: the dreaded spinning wheel of death.

    So I'm currently rebooting thanks to Safari.

    (posted using Camino)

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  4. Re:Hmm...can't feel much difference :) by Caleb+Rutan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, one thing they fixed, (which is important for web-application people like me) is the form file upload method. In .67 it was broken: no file browser would appear when you clicked 'Choose File', so that is definitely an improvement. It worked in .60, but they managed to break it in between.

    Not that anyone using .67 (myself included) had any right to complain about broken features in an unreleased version ;)

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  5. Re:Right-mouse button Google feature by pnaro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hold down the command key while right-clicking on the word and selecting "Google Search". It will open up the results in a new tab

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  6. Re:Right-mouse button Google feature by derbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can. Simply hold down the command key when you pop the menu up, and it opens the search in a new tab.

    Maybe a hierachial (sp?) menu feature here would be a slicker solution though...

  7. Re:Ummm... by BlueGecko · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to Preferences, click on Tabs, check "Enable Tabbed Browsing."

  8. Damn sexy. by viktor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, updated Safari. Tabbed browsing support means Safari is now my default browser.

    But I want to transfer the bookmarks from the bookmark bar in Camino to Safari. Seems like a lot of trouble. Because, well, it couldn't... or, it's OS X but yet... could bookmarks be drag-n-droppable? Between browsers from two entirely different places? They couldn't...

    But they are. And that's damn sexy.

    It just works.

    1. Re:Damn sexy. by frankie · · Score: 4, Informative
      transfer the bookmarks from the bookmark bar in Camino to Safari.

      I was about to post my usual mention of Safari Enhancer when I realized what you were saying. Safari recognizes URL drags into the bookmarks bar from pretty much any source, including .webloc files and text selections. Definitely cool. Makes me wonder why other browsers don't do the same.

      Please mod parent up.
  9. Best of both worlds by cenonce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Finally! Tabbed browsing... the one feature I missed from Camino!

    From the fifteen minutes I've used it so far, Safari now "acts" a lot like Camino

    Now I get the speed of Safari with the features of Camino!

    Camino has been quite crashy for me (as others posting have mentioned as well) so I'll hold off the final verdict to see if Safari crashes less (though, I will state that it crashed less anyway... it just didn't have tabs!) :)

    -A

  10. Re:Can't Wait by babbage · · Score: 5, Informative
    Don't wait!
    ssh $user@$your_home_computer sudo softwareupdate "SafariUpdate-1.0 Beta 2 (v73)"
    Et voila -- Safari updated remotely :-)
  11. Re:Hmm...can't feel much difference :) by jsmith38 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another thing that I noticed in 67 is that when I would Hide Safari, it would crash sometimes.

    I've been trying to make 73 crash by hiding, in the last few minutes to no avail.

    Also, the auto fill feature button is different (I know your wanting functional improvments).

    Another new feature is the "Reset Safari" found under the Safari menu. It appears to empty your cache, delete cookies, history, etc. Nice if you don't want your boss/wife finding all that porn you've been looking at.

    There are more options when you right click on somethign (ctrl-click).

    Some pdf don't automatically launch for me though after downloading them, I had this problem with 67, but not with 60.

    There appears to be more options in the preferences too.

  12. Bugzilla users beware :( by helixblue · · Score: 3, Informative

    For whatever reason, this version of Safari, as well as v.71, won't work with the cookies in Bugzilla. On two machines I've tried it on both bugzilla.mozilla.org and our own internal versions of it. Kind of annoying to work with tickets all day at work and have to keep re-logging in. Hopefully this issue has a nice workaround either on the Safari or the Bugzilla side.

    I currently recommend a nightly build of Camino instead for these users. It now has a pretty nifty & flexible Google search bar finally (obligatory screenshot). I do miss the spell-as-you-type feature in Safari however.

  13. Bookmark menu 'Open in Tabs' button by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Informative

    OK, for the record, when looking in your bookmarks and seeing the 'Open in Tabs' button when you think 'what does this do?' don't do it on a very full menu.

    It opens every bookmark in that menu in it's own tab. Woot. talk about a lotta web pages

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  14. Re:mouseover a link ? by wavedeform · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you mean "how do I see what a link points to without following the link?" then you need to turn on the Status Bar from the View menu. Then a link that you're hovering over is displayed at the bottom of the window.

  15. Changing protocol helpers by mbkkelsey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Use Vince to change your default ftp helper. It's kind of like the protocol helper prefs in Classic IE.

  16. Autofill coolness... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Anyone else notice that Autofill now not only works, it gets info from the (system wide) AddressBook? Change your address in one place for envelopes, Palm Business Cards, and now your browser!

    Ok, so it is minor. Still cool.

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  17. If software update doesn't work by derbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    If software update doesn't show the new Safari, make sure the old one's in the root of your Applications folder, otherwise it won't recognise it.

  18. Re:Mmmmm, nice... by furballphat · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's a send bug report feature in Safari. Turn the button on in the view menu.

  19. Re:The perfect browser? by Xenex · · Score: 4, Informative
    "And it gets worse, because mounting a remote ftp site often seems to threadlock the entire OS: the dreaded spinning wheel of death."

    Interesting - this locked up your entire system? On dial-up, I've seen it cause Finder to lock up and need a Force Quit, but never lock the entire OS. I've just followed mbkkelsey's advice and used Vince to change the ftp 'helper' application. In my quick test, I used Transmit and it worked flawlessly.

    Of course, it would still be a whole lot nicer if Safari could handle the FTP itself, just like virtually every other modern browser...
  20. Actually, the RFC says... by i_am_pi · · Score: 3, Informative
    Secure
    OPTIONAL. The Secure attribute (with no value) directs the user
    agent to use only (unspecified) secure means to contact the origin
    server whenever it sends back this cookie, to protect the
    confidentially and authenticity of the information in the cookie.

    The user agent (possibly with user interaction) MAY determine what
    level of security it considers appropriate for "secure" cookies.
    The Secure attribute should be considered security advice from the
    server to the user agent, indicating that it is in the session's
    interest to protect the cookie contents. When it sends a "secure"
    cookie back to a server, the user agent SHOULD use no less than
    the same level of security as was used when it received the cookie
    from the server.
    That means to me that Safari's behavior, while logically stupid, is correct according to the RFC, which says "SHOULD use no less", not "MUST". Plus, supporting secure cookies is entirely optional.

    Pi
  21. How to make Safari smaller by azav · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you notice, this browser is 10.2 meg. After doing a get info on the file, I noticed that it supported languages that I would never use. To make your Safari smaller, do a get info on it, click the languages arrow and remove all the langs you don't want/need.

    Removing French, German and Japanese brought the file size down to 7.6 meg.

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