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Safari Beta 2 Available
pldms writes "Safari Beta 2 is available via Software Update or from the Safari page. This is build 73, for those who've had 'exclusive' access to previous development versions since beta 1 ;-) The blurb: 'Safari Beta 2 introduces tabbed browsing to conveniently see and switch between multiple web pages in a single window, and AutoFill to instantly fill out web forms and password fields. This update also features increased standards compatibility and improved application stability.'" I had to set Lax Certificate Checks in the Debug menu to use it with Slashdot ... and its secure cookie check is still quite broken (either saves secure cookies without the secure flag, or sends out secure cookies to insecure sites, which would violate
RFC 2965
where it says "no less than the same level of security").
Damn job! Interfering with my ability to play with Safari at home. I can't wait to see how the tabbed browsing implementation looks/feels.
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
Hmm...in the About Safari window it's listed as 1.0 beta (v.73).
:).
Doesn't seem to be that much different from the previously leaked v67
With browsers this quick, Apple's going to have a hard time selling faster machines :-)
Apple has Safari.
Safaris are for big, strong dudes.
Acronym for big, strong dudes is "BSD"
BSD is dying.
Apple has a BSDish system under the hood.
ergo: Apple is dying.
Trolling is a art,
For a touch of karma whoring, for the people who never played around with an 'unreleased' beta (which includes me), the keyboard/mouse controls for tabbed browsing (which is turned off by default, and has it's own tab in the new Safari Preferences).
Apple-Click : Opens a link in a new tab.
Apple-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new tab and selects it.
Apple-Option-Click : Opens a link in a new window behind the other one.
Apple-Option-Shift-Click : Opens a link in a new window and selects it.
There is also the check box option to always display the tab bar, plus 'Select new tabs as they are created', which alters the above keyboard setup.
I'm on my iBook at the moment, so I'm not sure how these interface with multi-button mice, but I guess you could configure the buttons to correlate with these modifiers, if you haven't already...
I had my doubts about Safari. After a few days of "testing" it out, I forgot how painful it was to use IE. Sure there are occations that Safari won't open a page or something, but this beta is better than most 5.X brosers that have been around for a while.
The new tabbed interface is VERY well done. I'm very happy with it now. Could be the perfect browser....for me at least.
My
Phew... When I saw a link to an RFC which was purportedly about about security I was sure it was the evil bit thingy. Had to click on the link to verify that it was a different RFC!
There's a novel new feature related to the Tabs that bears mention. If you have folder/menus in your Bookmark Bar populated with bookmarks, there's now a menu item at the bottom of that pull-down menu that says "Open in Tabs". If you select this it will create a new tab for all the bookmarks in that group of bookmarks! This is similar to a feature in Camino that lets you set up tab groups. What I'd like to see is the ability to save a tab group or "workspace" out to a special .webloc type file that I can use to launch a bunch of URLs from the dock, or by double clicking, etc. Maybe there's a way to do this right now?
Hold down the command key while right-clicking on the word and selecting "Google Search". It will open up the results in a new tab
If we can't fix it, we'll fix it so nobody else can!
You can. Simply hold down the command key when you pop the menu up, and it opens the search in a new tab.
Maybe a hierachial (sp?) menu feature here would be a slicker solution though...
Well, even if it was mentioned you probably wouldn't read it since you missed the huge X icon and the words Apple at the top of the news item.
A good percentage of the people who come to my site are on *some* revision of safari.
Hey, now *there's* a bellwether for you! Who needs Gallup Polls and sophisticated statistical sampling when an AC will share abstracts from his homepage's usage log with us, eh?
Go to Preferences, click on Tabs, check "Enable Tabbed Browsing."
What is it that makes this browser so much better then the others?
I have some friends now that recently switched to the apple side of computing, and I can't help but laugh at them on some of the stuff they applaud Apple for. This browser is one of them.
They claim it is faster, but I just don't see how that is possible. The bottleneck in most all browsing I do is the network. Have they simply found a way to make it seem faster? Have other browsers on the Mac been slow in the past? I don't get it.
As a reference. I use IE at work, and Phoenix (or should that be the browser formerly known as Phoenix) at home. While I do appreciate some of the benefits of Phoenix over IE, I honestly think it is a toss up between them.
I think most of my problems nowdays are with sites that are just ugly. However, I can't tell the difference -- or maybe I just don't care -- between the way any browsers handle fonts and whatnot. I also can't notice most of the differences between how sites render. I do appreciate the fact that most sites appear stable in all browsers now.
So... what is so great about Safari?
Ok, updated Safari. Tabbed browsing support means Safari is now my default browser.
But I want to transfer the bookmarks from the bookmark bar in Camino to Safari. Seems like a lot of trouble. Because, well, it couldn't... or, it's OS X but yet... could bookmarks be drag-n-droppable? Between browsers from two entirely different places? They couldn't...
But they are. And that's damn sexy.
It just works.
Finally! Tabbed browsing... the one feature I missed from Camino!
From the fifteen minutes I've used it so far, Safari now "acts" a lot like Camino
Now I get the speed of Safari with the features of Camino!
Camino has been quite crashy for me (as others posting have mentioned as well) so I'll hold off the final verdict to see if Safari crashes less (though, I will state that it crashed less anyway... it just didn't have tabs!) :)
-A
I surfed over to the Debka file for and my tab for that page reads.
http://www.debka.com/
DEBKAfile, Political Anal
Not something I'd want my boss seeing.
One of the things which makes me use iTunes on certain machines is the indiscriminate search feature and how it works so well with both librarys and playlists.
I would really like to see it added in someway to Safari as now it is my main browser my bookmarks, despite attempted organisation are beginning to get out of control.
Swapping the Google search panel for a bookmark search interface (when you flick the bookmark switch, which checked titles and URLs) would be cool, and as a 'power' feature if you could searched cached versions of the bookmark's pages as well it would be excellent (please inform me if another browser already has that functionality)...
For whatever reason, this version of Safari, as well as v.71, won't work with the cookies in Bugzilla. On two machines I've tried it on both bugzilla.mozilla.org and our own internal versions of it. Kind of annoying to work with tickets all day at work and have to keep re-logging in. Hopefully this issue has a nice workaround either on the Safari or the Bugzilla side.
I currently recommend a nightly build of Camino instead for these users. It now has a pretty nifty & flexible Google search bar finally (obligatory screenshot). I do miss the spell-as-you-type feature in Safari however.
Safari is not the greatest thing since penicillin. It won't save the world. It's not even a full release version.
What it is: a relatively svelte, quick-feeling (and yes that's partly just render speed), nicely spare browser that feels fine to use. Look at a page in Safari next to, say, Opera. The leanness of Safari stands out in several senses: render speed, clean layout, just the speed with which the program loads.
It's like a tool that feels good in your hand. Apple has a way of producing stuff like that. That's what your friends mean.
(And when your friends start claiming iCal as one of Apple's triumphs, then you can suspect them. There's a program in serious need of practical work, and much more of a beta than Safari. Slow as molasses, too.)
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
OK, for the record, when looking in your bookmarks and seeing the 'Open in Tabs' button when you think 'what does this do?' don't do it on a very full menu.
It opens every bookmark in that menu in it's own tab. Woot. talk about a lotta web pages
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
If you mean "how do I see what a link points to without following the link?" then you need to turn on the Status Bar from the View menu. Then a link that you're hovering over is displayed at the bottom of the window.
Use Vince to change your default ftp helper. It's kind of like the protocol helper prefs in Classic IE.
1) You can finally use a secure proxy: in past versions this was broken for some reason (anybody who has had it disabled for the past few months might want to re-enable it now).
2) Cookies are finally working on PHP nuke sites: previous versions would lose preferences right after signing in.
3) I can finally login to my university's registration system. It uses this software; I'm guessing other schools rely on it too.
Anything else?
Arabic language support is still not quire right (certain letters in words are being displayed too small). A Windows Media Player plugin might be nice, but that probably is on the shoulders of M$ more-so than Apple. Other than that everything is perfect; tabs were something I was expecting anyway, and the right-click Google search was a surprise bonus.
Another thread here touting Camino was mysteriously modded "flamebait" so here goes...
I have used and loved Chimera for many months for many reasons. As other have found, the renamed Camino is crash-prone, strange in the very last nightly build of Chimera before the trademark-conflict name change (which you can find easily by anonymous FTP to their server) is great. I downgraded to Build 2003030408 and am content.
Now comes Safari, also great, except the lack of tabbed browsing and that awful brushed metal stuff. OK, tabbed browsing is now checked off on the feature list. Safari shares a startling number of other features, and then some. Eventually Safari will be indistinguishable from Camino/Chimera. Congratulations Apple, what a coup.... (Hey guys, add keywords for bookmarks so I can continue to google with "g keyword keyword" and I'll switch.)
So what's the deal for independent software efforts? Bust yourself to develop and demonstrate new UI and core technologies to have them lifted by a large for-profit computer maker? Granted the open source Camino is intended to create new work without profit, but at some point it will also lose the "profit" of public attention, and wither away, and cease to produce new things.
At the least I'd like to see Safari give a nod to Chimera. At the best I'd like an answer from Apple how they're not doing the Internet Explorer thing in miniature, and how non-Apple developers will continue to inspire and be inspired when they face having their work negated in a mere twitch of the tail of the whale.
I'm a Mac person, and back to the years before the Mac (the Apple ][+ is in a box). I think Apple has often done the right thing and will continue to (often) do the right thing. But there is something disturbing in their generous production of free software, similar in effect if not (I hope) intent to what Redmond has done. Be careful, Apple.
Anyone else notice that Autofill now not only works, it gets info from the (system wide) AddressBook? Change your address in one place for envelopes, Palm Business Cards, and now your browser!
Ok, so it is minor. Still cool.
'Sensible' is a curse word.
If software update doesn't show the new Safari, make sure the old one's in the root of your Applications folder, otherwise it won't recognise it.
which is nicer to see when you right click on the background of a webpage, this:
- Safari
- view source
- save page as
ormind you, i see all that crap EVERY time i rightclick on the background in konqueror. why do i see create data cd? why do i see open in new tab? i'm not even right clicking on a link!
If browser makers reduced half this clutter it wouldn't even be nearly as useful and powerful as safari.
- tristan
This is great. I don't have a Mac, and I have no intention of getting one, but I really like seeing good progress in Safari, since by the time KDE 3.2 comes out, I'll get most of those advances in my own lurvely Konqueror.
:)
Thanks Apple!
Pi
I wonder if you're a troll or just someone who likes to sounds clever?
Most Windows installers maximize their window, whereas all common Mac installers just use a regular window.
How many Windows users do actually minimize the installer screen though? How many just sit watching its pretty blue bar?
Oh! Now in this paragraph we can all see you're not talking about installers on the Mac after all, you're talking about you're talking about the Quicktime for Windows installer. The fact you cannot minimize it sounds annoying, true. However, as you point out you can always press Windows-M to get rid of it. Or Alt-Tab one assumes...?
So infact the set of users who are effected by this issue comes down to those people who
In other words, its a tiny annoyance in Apple's Windows installer which, while it should be corrected, has almost no effect on anyone...
Have you actually any examples, beyond vague suggestions that the Mac "File Manager" wasn't multi-threaded enough in Mac OS X 10.0 ? I mean, I wouldn't claim its perfect even in 10.2, but then I've used Windows NT and its "File Manager" for over half a decade now, and you know, it has a few threading issues too. I don't want to be rude, but other than your poorly constructed installer rant, you don't actually seem to have any examples.
Of course, you have links you could share with us to actual profiling results showing comparisons between MacOS, Windows and Linux (et al.). These show conclusively where "responsiveness differences" occur, and then proceed to demonstrate how these are surely caused by the Mach micro kernel and not any other factor like, just for example: hardware or boneheaded programing in the File Manager or GUI?
Please do post such material. It would be very interesting.
Lord Pixel - The cat who walks through walls
A little bigger on the inside than out
If you notice, this browser is 10.2 meg. After doing a get info on the file, I noticed that it supported languages that I would never use. To make your Safari smaller, do a get info on it, click the languages arrow and remove all the langs you don't want/need.
Removing French, German and Japanese brought the file size down to 7.6 meg.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...