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Slashback: Discipline, License, Name-calling

Slashback tonight brings you a boatload of updates and amplification to previous Slashdot stories, including: the outcome of the RIAA-driven administrative crackdown on file trading at the U.S. Naval Academy, the legal status of ambiguously labeled Microsoft "gimme" software, more information on the insecurities of Blackboard's card-based payment system, and more. Read on for the details!

Every day, in every way, I am becoming a better and better Lt. Junior Grade. alanjstr writes "The Baltimore Sun reports 'The Naval Academy has disciplined 85 students who used a military Internet connection to illegally swap copyrighted music and movies, but it stopped short of carrying out its threat to impose the maximum penalties of expulsion or court-martial, an academy document shows.' It goes on to say that the raid was spurred less by the RIAA and more by the threat of losing the internet connection due to the enormous amount of bandwidth consumed. The academy had given students several warnings before raiding the dorm rooms. Some of the hard drives seized last November were found to contain one or two copyrighted files, while others ran into the hundreds or thousands."

I bet they could make a better agreement with Xiph.org Magnetic Confinement writes "In an effort to make life more difficult for civic-minded Mac users, NPR has decided to drop Quicktime from its available streams. Nothing specific on their webpage addresses it, just some suspicious vacancies remain. Their helpdesk response is officially:

'NPR.org had been offering some of its audio in the Apple QuickTime format under an arrangement with Apple QuickTime. We regret that we were unable to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new arrangement with Apple QuickTime. As a result, NPR is unable to continue offering its content in this format.

You can also contact Apple QuickTime directly at: quicktime@apple.com

Weston
NPR Online'"

A note that got lost in the bin for too long ... JulesVD writes "Microsoft has agreed to tweak its Windows XP operating system in response to recent feedback from the Justice Department over its antitrust settlement with the federal government. (See news on Yahoo!) Microsoft will give more prominent display to a button in Windows that allows computer users to remove the company's Internet Explorer browser, company spokesman Jim Desler said. The Justice Department is overseeing Microsoft's compliance with the settlement. Placement of the button in a hard-to-reach spot in Windows was one of several complaints Microsoft's rivals made to the department last year."

Proportionality isn't just for the personals. You may still be boggling (I am) at the recently announced RIAA suits alleging that colleges and college students are liable for billions of dollars in damages to the music industry for facilitating online file trading. Reader Derek Lomas writes in with another editorial indicating "growing support at Yale for legal alternatives".

Even biggerness. The Gathering is billed by some as the the world's largest computer party. MC68040, though, writes "I'd like to remind everyone to have a look at dreamhack, that 'also' is the largest LAN in Sweden twice a year ... Which had over 5000 participants in 2001 and even more in 2002.. *arhem* Biggest you say?"

If you want to fight about "LAN party" vs. "Computer party," leave me out of it!

How about calling it "900t"? An anonymous reader writes "As previously reported, mozilla.org's Phoenix browser has been renamed to Firebird. This hasn't pleased supporters of the Firebird relational database project. In an Australian LinuxWorld article, one of their administrators calls the name change "one of the dirtiest deeds I've seen in open source so far." In a MozillaZine article, the same person accused mozilla.org of "theft" and "corporate bullying". They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company. Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database, has put up a protest page, encouraging people to spam the MozillaZine forums (even though MozillaZine had nothing to do with the decision) and send masses of email to many Mozilla developers (most of whom were not involved in selecting the new name). I find it rather hypocritical that the Firebird database people are accusing Mozilla of "the filthiest of dirty tricks" while at the same time advocating the harassment of many Mozilla developers."

Point of clarification. batkid writes "In response to the article 'Microsoft pirating their own software,' Seems like MS is taking it pretty seriously. I got the following response from Microsoft (I am a faculty member, but the response should be the same to students).

April 9, 2003

RE: Visual Studio .NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional software distributed during the Microsoft Faculty Seminars

Dear Faculty Member, Thank you for attending the recent Microsoft Faculty Seminar. The purpose of this letter is to clarify questions concerning the legal use of the Visual Studio .NET Professional and Windows XP Professional software distributed to faculty who attended the Seminar. The software received is governed by the electronic license embedded in the product set up that appears prior to installation and no additional documentation is required.

Notwithstanding language on the CD label for the copies of Visual Studio .NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional Edition that you received during your attendance at the Seminar, which appeared to indicate that a separate license document was required in order for you to legally use the software, this letter will confirm that use by you of the software received is governed by the electronic license embedded in the product setup that appears prior to installation.

You are required to agree to accept the terms and conditions of this license prior to proceeding with the products' installation. Acceptance by you of these "Click to Accept" licenses is the only license required for your use of the copies of Visual Studio.NET Professional Edition and Windows XP Professional Edition received. We recommend that you keep a copy of this letter in your personal files for future reference."

Thanks for passing that along.

What if Masterlock security was assured this way? Monday, you read that security researchers Billy Hoffman and Virgil Griffith (known as Vergil and Acidus) were were prevented from speaking at a security conference by means of a Cease and Desist order from Blackboard, Inc.. The two planned to talk about security flaws found in Blackboard's Transaction System.

In a mail posted at Declan McCullagh's Politech mailing list, David Yaskin of Blackboard responds to the criticism that the company's legal action has drawn. John R. Hall has posted a FAQ explaining some particulars of the Blackboard Transaction System which Virgil and Acidus aren't at liberty to discuss, as well as contradicting some claims that Yaskin makes in the posted email.

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  1. Hey, I could use one of those... by avalys · · Score: 5, Funny

    *highlights*
    *Ctrl-C*
    *Ctrl-V*
    *Prints Letter*
    *Launches Gnutella*

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  2. Why blame NPR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an effort to make life more difficult for civic-minded Mac users, NPR has decided to drop Quicktime from its available streams.

    How do we know Apple wasn't being unreasonable in the terms they wanted?

    BTW, those Phoenix database people sound really mature.

    1. Re:Why blame NPR? by ragingmime · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't think it would be a matter of Apple wanting an agreeable contract. Nobody needs Apple's permission to do Quicktime streams - you just buy Quicktime server software, plug it in, and go. It sounds (although I'm really not up on how these contracts work) like NPR wanted some sort of reimbursement from Apple for them to provide Quicktime streams. I see no reason (or legal method) for Apple to prevent NPR from using its software - I just think they decided that having NPR broadcast in their format wasn't worth the money. Just a theory - I have no real hard evidence on that - but I think it makes sense.

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    2. Re:Why blame NPR? by ryochiji · · Score: 4, Informative
      > If you are a big broadcaster you pay for capabilities per simultaneous stream at a specific bitrate

      Where did you get that from? According to the QTSS FAQ:

      Both QuickTime Streaming Server 4 and Darwin Streaming Server 4 are free, with no per-stream license fees.

      So, no, it doesn't seem like licensing fees were the issue.

  3. The Blackboard Presentation by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative
    The whole Blackboard presentation - including a .PPT attachment with photos of GT's physical security problems - is available at Cryptome.

    Don't worry. It opens in Open Office Impress just fine!

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    1. Re:The Blackboard Presentation by BitHive · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I looked through these things yesterday, and while they were interesting, there was little information of substance in them. All of the supposed vulnerabilities are theoretical, and the author himself does not claim to have tried any of them. Yes, a replay attack would work if the system works as he claims it does. Has he taken the first step of patching into one of the RS-485 drops that he claims are so very insecure? No. Does he know what kind of encryption is used on the IP converter? No. He merely speculates that it is "DES on the high end; XOR on the low end". How informative! The same could be said for any system that uses encryption.

      I am following this closely because my college has installed the Blackboard system to provide all-hours card access to dorms and after-hours access to academic buildings. All of the readers are bolted into concrete or brick, or are installed on steel posts. You would have to do more physical damage to the building or the post to gain access to the supposedly insecure RS-485 drops than you would to simply force the door open. My school, however, has not extended this system to anything using real money, perhaps because they are aware of the flaws and want to limit the risks, or perhaps because the damn thing is so motherfucking expensive.

      One thing that really detracts from the credibility of this "security analysis" is that in the PowerPoint presentation, someone is circled using paintbrush, identified by name, and labelled "piece of shit" or something like that. Apparently this is one of the guys that insists the system is secure. It may not be, but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you put crap like that into your presentation.

    2. Re:The Blackboard Presentation by Apuleius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well then, why the restraining order?

  4. Dishonest statistics by Elpacoloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember that joke about the kid who prooves that he has no time to attend school, since he must spend x days sleeping and x days eating and x days are weekends.....

    The kid in this joke arrives at the figure that he does because the way he does it counts a good portion of time twice. (IE: Sleep and weekends overlaps...)
    The RIAA I think is counting things twice when it obtains these "Billion Dollar" figures. I think that it counts the number of P2P transactions and multiplies it by the cost of an album. This dispite people downloading songs that they would never buy. In fact, one could further inflate the figures by including incompleted transactions as a full one.

    Billions of Dollars? Baloney.

    1. Re:Dishonest statistics by menasius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree, it doesn't fit logically.

      The Music Industry is a big thing. However, my arguement to the exageration of these figures is that the music industry has supposedly taken "billions in losses". Even a behemoth like that would feel billions in losses and it would be visible. The airlines are having rough times and its obvious, it's not that they are trying to screw anyone it just seriously looks like they are in a great hurry to fix things and are making mistakes.

      All the music industry has done is file suit, but the state of the industry doesnt say "we are fighting a loosing battle". If they lost billions where are the record labels that are dropping production or cutting wages to try to save the ship.

      Thats just my 2 billion cents.

      -bort

    2. Re:Dishonest statistics by Slowping · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They also conveniently don't count back in compensating income designed to offset these "losses", like the RIAA CDR tax. Seeing as how they haven't really paid any of that tax back to the artists, I'm guessing that's quite a deep source of income for the RIAA.

      Anyone got numbers for the amount they collect via CDR tax?

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    3. Re:Dishonest statistics by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or downloading 7 songs from a single album as "7 lost album sales".

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    4. Re:Dishonest statistics by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 2, Funny

      I triple guarantee you, there are no illegal MP3s on Kazaa! It is a fabrication by the RIAA to decieve us into approving the DMCA!

    5. Re:Dishonest statistics by clarkc3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      its funny though - their profits dropped, but sales from record stores actually increased. go figure - maybe if record companies didn't pay $20 million dollars to artists for albums like The Soundtrack to Glitter

  5. Blackboard by ggwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone know of a substitue for Blackboard? Open source or otherwise? I don't use it here at CSUN, but other Universities I deal with do use it. I was actually going to push it for the physics department here, but not now. Thanks.

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  6. Oh my by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact is that most students at Yale are very familiar with breaking copyright law, because they are not willing to give up learning about music just because they can't afford the $15 cost of each CD.

    Does anyone else find that laughable?

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    1. Re:Oh my by clonebarkins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but where can you buy CDs for only $15? Enquiring minds want to know!

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    2. Re:Oh my by madmaxx · · Score: 3, Informative

      From Canada, of course. And that's $15 Canadian, which is abou $11USD. Two national chains here (A&B, FutureShop) have stuck it to the recording industry by ignoring fixed pricing (for several years now).

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  7. License issues with QT? by Dub+Kat · · Score: 2, Redundant

    'NPR.org had been offering some of its audio in the Apple QuickTime format under an arrangement with Apple QuickTime. We regret that we were unable to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new arrangement with Apple QuickTime. As a result, NPR is unable to continue offering its content in this format.

    That's strange, the quicktime streaming server is opensource and free. Were they using a proprietary, licensed format to deliver the audio? If so, why not just switch to low-bitrate MP3, which QTSS supports with no problem?

    1. Re:License issues with QT? by repetty · · Score: 2

      Perhaps NPR wanted Apple to pay them to broadcast QT streams since, as you pointed out, the software is free to procure and use.

      Maybe they wanted a little payola themselves.

      This kind of pisses me off because I recently started using QT to listen to NPR since my schedule changed and I wasn't in my car during the evening news broadcasts anymore.

      RE: MP3... I have no frigg'n idea why people turn their backs on free standards that will actually save them money is both the short term and the long run.

      It's not like I'm going to steal an episode of "All Things Considered" and then try to profit by it. Duh.

    2. Re:License issues with QT? by Pathwalker · · Score: 2, Informative

      At 20K, almost everything is going to sound like ass. MP3, Vorbis, and AAC all sound pretty bad (with AAC sounding best of a bad set)

      At that rate, for a mix of music and voice I feel that it's a close race between WMA, and Qdesign Music 2 Pro; with Qdesign edging out WMA for stereo audio at that rate (WMA has less high range - it sounds like the encoder filters out higher pitches to reduce noise before it encodes).

      For a mix of music and voice, both Speex and Qualcomm Pure Voice are out, as while they would do a good job on voices they would not do well with the non-voice audio.

  8. Phoenix-Firebird...... by Garion911 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should just rename it "TransAm", its the same thing anyways......

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  9. gotta love the military by mrjive · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Some kids were running miniature Napsters," said the academy official, referring to the now-defunct music-sharing site. "They had enormous drives - multigigabite drives - and they were on all the time. They became little Web sites."

    Just goes to show how educated some naval personell are about computer technology. I mean MULTIgigabyte drives?!? Holy shit man, that's a lot of storage!!!

    *note sarcasm above*

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    1. Re:gotta love the military by gailwynand · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just goes to show how educated some naval personell are about computer technology.

      No, no. It just goes to show what kind of crap PC hardware most military members get to run at work that "multigygabyte" would be considered enormous.

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  10. RIAA is grasping for headlines by just+some+computer+j · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, I have commented on this before. I am still curious as to if the RIAA has it's way and wins this lawsuit, will it prove anything?

    I mean, unless the student is very rich family, along the lines of Bill Gates rich, the RIAA would never see the money. And, on a appeal, the settlement would be thrown out on the fact that the amount, millions and millions of dollars is too much for anyone to pay.

    I am still curious if the RIAA is just doing this for headlines, or to scare people from sharing music.

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  11. Blackboard by mrbrown1602 · · Score: 4, Informative

    We use the Blackboard transaction system here at LSU, and a lot of our food/drink machines with the system are usually offline... now, if you swipe your card in the machine while its offline, it'll display what's supposively stored on the card - your social security #.

    Just something I thought was kind of interesting.

  12. Skepticism Abounds by yoink! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't believe that Microsoft intends to allow users to actually remove much software with any of these "new" features. Even if a user edits his/her sysoc.inf (you can find it in "%systemroot%\inf" if you so will) file and removes the word "hide" from applications which are not appearing under the "add/remove windows components" manager, most of the applications remain on the hard disk even after they are supposedly "uninstalled." I have found this to be true with Outlook Express and Media Player. Frankly who cares about Internet Explorer at this point. Most people I know use it on their windows machines anyway, regardless of how buggy and insecure it may. At this point, Microsoft being forced to alter XP so much that Internet Explorer is "uninstalled" is nothing more that a friendly pat on the ass compared to the original goals of the anti-trust case(s). The justice department should be absolutely ashamed.

  13. Why is it so hard to pick an original name? by interactive_civilian · · Score: 3, Insightful
    About the Mozilla naming thing...you can't pick a much less original name than Thunderbird...

    Is it really that hard to pick an original name and then run a few searches to make sure there are no similar products with that name?

    For example, why not pick something from another language that fits the product well? Something like 'gaiyuu' (Japanese: foreign travel) or 'michiyuki' (Japanese: going down the road)...

    Seriously...it seems ridiculous the amount of trouble these people have coming up with original names...

    IMHO.

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    1. Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? by On+Lawn · · Score: 2, Funny


      Bart: Ohh, I wish I programmed an [open source email client.]

      Lisa: You did, you named it "Stampy".

    2. Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "About the Mozilla naming thing...you can't pick a much less original name than Thunderbird..."

      That may be why they're calling it Firebird.

      Sheesh, confusing a Ford with a GM... People have been lynched for less...

    3. Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? by stubear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With your two examples for names you still question why it's so hard to come up with a good name? Harley-Davidson took about two years to come up with the V-ROD motorcycle to commemorate the 100th year H-D has been in existence. As a member of OpenBeOS involved with the renaming process I can personally atest to the excruciating difficulty in sifting through names to come up with something original AND describes the thing you are naming. Don't be so quick to dismiss the complexity and difficulty simply because it's a single word.

    4. Re:Why is it so hard to pick an original name? by Sialagogue · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm all for this name, only because their ad slogan could be:

      "Yozizza? Foshizza. . ."

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  14. 1000s of copyrighted files by poppen_fresh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It say that the Navy found some hard drives with 100s and 1000s of copyrighted files on them. It never says if the students had a right to have those files... I have 1000s of "copyrighted" files on my hdd in the form of mp3s, which I obtained by buying the CDs and then ripping them...

    1. Re:1000s of copyrighted files by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It say that the Navy found some hard drives with 100s and 1000s of copyrighted files on them. It never says if the students had a right to have those files... I have 1000s of "copyrighted" files on my hdd in the form of mp3s, which I obtained by buying the CDs and then ripping them...
      Even worse. Every single file on my hard drive is copyrighted, as is every single file on yours, most likely.

      You see, I'm the author of many of the files, and as such, I hold instant copyright. Quoting from US government copyright office:

      Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.
      I'll bet we're all guilty of possession of copyrighted Slashdot images in our browser caches. I hope they don't mind.

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  15. Microsoft anti-trust by eniu!uine · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's about time. Making internet explorer easy to remove will definately eliminate the problem with Microsoft's monopoly. The only reason Linux hasn't been adopted as a major desktop competitor is that it was widely felt that the internet explorer icon needed to be removed from Windows before you could install Linux, and this should clear that up. The justice department deserves a big pat on the back for this. Way to go DOJ!

  16. Oh, please by jesterzog · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess most people have come to expect this from slashdot, but it should be pointed out all the same. It's too bad everyone (me included) puts up with it.

    From the slashdot writeup:

    "Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database, has put up a protest page, encouraging people to spam the MozillaZine forums (even though MozillaZine had nothing to do with the decision) and send masses of email to many Mozilla developers (most of whom were not involved in selecting the new name). I find it rather hypocritical [--snip--]"

    From the linked article (slightly summarised):

    Let the Mozilla forums know how you feel. They've already taken some heat in forums on their website. To join that fray, you must register. Check http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/index.php and http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3 075 for the discussion.

    You might also send mail to the following people and groups:

    Asa Dotzler - he made the announcement [..]

    drivers@mozilla.org - drivers are the project managers of Mozilla [..]

    These people are the technical project leaders of Mozilla. They too should be aware that the possibility for confusion exists. [--snip eight addresses--]

    Listing the eight technical project leaders at the end might have been a tad excessive, but I'd hardly call that "encouraging people to spam the mozillazine forums" or harrassing mozilla developers in the way that slashdot makes out to be. It looks like an ordinary informational page to tell people how they can contact the people who are able to make a decision.

    1. Re:Oh, please by On+Lawn · · Score: 2


      Oh how many times has been heard
      the slashdot war cry "email them".

      When in violent passion the nerd
      mixed flammible breath and igniting pen.

      And opon corporations came the herd
      of emails in flooding streams unbroken.

      In crafty demise the corps did gird
      slashdot with the purchased by OSDN.

      Now email storms are thought obsurd
      and fuel for the flame to the nerd is returned.

  17. Masterlock by Vidar+Leathershod · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, IIRC, Masterlock did threaten lawsuit over the dissemination of info that would allow someone to find out a combination to a MasterLock combo lock in a few easy steps.

    This is not new.

    Vidar

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    1. Re:Masterlock by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having had a coworker who was a professional locksmith, I can say that absolutely everything you said is wrong. Point by point:

      tumbler locks only have 10 height levels at most

      Wrong. They have many, many possible height levels. They are completely analog devices. Any locksmith should be able to make pins that are whatever height he wants, completely analog. Its not just like they have a box of pins, only available in 10 different lengths.

      Less secure tumbler locks will allow each individual tumbler to move independantly of the rest.

      Wrong. All(that I know of) tumbler locks allow individual tumblers to move independently, otherwise you wouldn't be able to insert or remove the key(duuuh.)

      oh and most locks also have a master key that will work on every lock of that type, not just the specific tumbler combination given to your door specifically.

      Again, WRONG. Only if the key is set up with several separate pins in each tumbler. Otherwise, there is only ONE position where all the pins will clear.

      It is simply amazing how such a simple, very plain and ordinary device is completely misunderstood and given an almost magical status. Locks are VERY simple devices. Even picking them isn't rocket science, just methodical and you need a ton of practice. Most of the tricks used by lock-pickers are very obvious once you see how a lock works.

  18. RIAA Statistics by )v(agnus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We all know that statistics can be manipulated to show anything one wants. Here's how to fix the problem: * Dismantle the RIAA and scatter the fragments to the four corners * Let Artists decide how to advertise and distribute their creations

  19. Click Here to Remove Internet Explorer ... by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Warning: Since Internet Explorer is part of the operating system, your operating system will no longer function after you click the button. Please forward all concerns to the US Department of Justice. Have a nice day.

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  20. Sinapse by lpret · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm working on a project called sinapse that is a PHP/db portal for students. It's in use by Oklahoma University, Oklahoma State University, and I'm currently working on the Baylor University implementation. However, I've been writing a module for it specifically for teachers to be able to cover the same functions as Blackboard. Sinapse is the only education focused software for this usage AFAIK.

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  21. Trustworthy Computing? by mistermund · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Placement of the button in a hard-to-reach spot in Windows was one of several complaints Microsoft's rivals made to the department last year.

    This sounds to me like an argument that might be made by people trying modchip X-Boxes - "It's too hard to circumvent Microsoft's way of doing things!"

    Is it just me, or does legal wrangling over the placement of a button just seem kind of silly?

    Mike Pettit, a spokesman for Procomp, an anti-Microsoft computer industry trade group, said the latest modification was minor. He called it "a complete waste of time and effort and has nothing to do with restoring competition."

    Apparently not.

    1. Re:Trustworthy Computing? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 2, Funny

      The "Restore Competition" button is buried much more deeply.

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  22. Available NPR stream by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative
    Pssst... check out the Boston NPR affiliate, WBUR at wbur.org - they (all right, we) have a quicktime streaming format available from the 'listen live' link on the front page.

    We carry BBC, Morning Edition, The Connection, Here & Now, Fresh Air, All Things Considered, Talk of the Nation, On Point, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, Car Talk, et al...
    And we originate most of those. :)

    -T

  23. Re:Remove IE? I think not. by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is true, it uninstalls nothing, just makes in brain dead easy to reassociate html links to a different broswer.

    Note that "IE" is a fairly small program, almost nothing more than a GUI wrapper around the MSHTML rendering engine that is used within Windows in several places as well as many third party apps and even an app that I've written myself.

    You probably could remove iexplore.exe with no real harm to the rest of your windows use, but you would not beding yourself a favor by uninstalling the MSHTML com object(s) from your system.

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  24. Adware in Qicktime? by ragingmime · · Score: 3, Informative

    Adware? I have Quicktime, and I don't remember getting any adware with it... but maybe I missed something. But yeah, an open source alternative would be really nice... go Theora! (I'm assuming that someone will work out a way to stream it after it comes out, the way Icecast does for Ogg.)

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  25. 3 kinds of lies by ralico · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, you know there are 3 kinds of lies:
    "Lies, damned lies, and statistics," Disraeli

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  26. Me too! by abe+ferlman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Highlights...
    Left mouse click...
    Middle mouse click...
    lpr...
    Launches Gnutella...

    What the %^&#, this requires WINDOWS?!

    Launches Gnutella again...

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  27. BECAUSE IT'S FREE by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    How do we know Apple wasn't being unreasonable in the terms they wanted?

    Maybe because Quicktime streaming server is freely downloadable.

    Well, okay, you've got to have OS X Server to get that one, but if you don't want to even run OS X Server, guess what? Darwin streaming server is both open source and runs on Linux, Solaris, OS X(server or regular, 10.1.x or better), AND WINDOWS(both win2k and NT).

    If -that- isn't good enough for you, there's no shortage of MP3 streaming servers. If THAT isn't good enough, there's ogg-vorbis.

    Something smells, folks. MS -bought- their way into this one, probably via strong-arming or simply bribing with free hardware+licenses. By the way, PBS dropped Quicktime recently too.

    1. Re:BECAUSE IT'S FREE by clifyt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly,

      Apple is the only one of the big 3 that isn't charging a per stream fee. The end user pays through the purchase of QT Pro, but you can still use the free version -- just not with as many frills.

      This sucks as I won't install Real on ANY system, and WMP is just as bad (and buggy on my Mac).

      clif

    2. Re:BECAUSE IT'S FREE by tbase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know who you use for streaming, but if you can stream the kind of traffic NPR gets for free, tell me where. I did a little research (logged into the real stream, got the base, looked up the domain owner) and found that NPR has apparently just signed on with a new streaming provider to save money and provide more service. That smells is fanatical Mac users accusing NPR of all people of being bought by Microsoft. When was the last time you supported public radio, by the way? http://www.speedera.com/newsroom/pressreleases/npr .html

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    3. Re:BECAUSE IT'S FREE by foobar77 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There was a big deal sometime back about MPEJ-4 royalties, a key technology in Quicktime. There was a royalty of so many cents per hour per steam back to the MPEJ-4 technology patent holders. This added up to $Ms to someone like NPR. Because of this, Apple was delaying release of Quicktime 6, trying to negotiate a better deal. (Real and MS use alternative technology and aren't subject to the royalty.)

      I think I read the hourly rate was reduced, but still significant. Can't find a recent article on how this finally ended up.

      As a user, I really had the QT nags. What a pain.

  28. blackboard scares me... by edrugtrader · · Score: 2, Informative

    this is so simple to fix...

    current implementation:
    reader to NP: this guy says he wants a coke
    NP to reader: give him a coke

    how it is hacked:
    intercept the NP to reader command and resend "give him a coke" to the reader. free coke.

    fixed implementation:
    reader to NP: this guy says he wants a coke
    NP to reader: give him a coke, lets call it UNIQUE_KEY
    reader to NP: can i give this guy a coke and call it UNIQUE_KEY?
    NP to reader: if this challenge already occured respond "no, you already did", otherwise, respond "yes, give him a coke" and log the UNIQUE_KEY

    problem is the current hardware can not be upgraded to do handshaking or challenges like that. if you have programmed for paypal's IPN, it works as correctly described above and seems like the obvious solution... i can't figure out what these guys were thinking **for 19 years**!

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  29. I thinks the button should be hard to find by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If your smart enough to deal with not having I.E. then finding the button to remove it shouldn't be that hard. Imagine being on the phone doing tech support for some bozo who's deleted I.E. because Microsoft is Evil, and dealing with the complications thereof.

    Oh, and is it just me, or is this pathetic? Microsoft used illegle tactics to destroy several companies, and dominated the industry with those tactics to the point where the only way an even potential competitor could make it was by circumventing the market entirely (Linux). And the most done to them is making them put a button to remove I.E. from the start menu?

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  30. Screaming Dinosaur by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Funny
    They should just rename it "TransAm", its the same thing anyways

    Or, how about what the automotive world refers to the Firebird as(screaming/flaming chicken car), with a Mozilla twist?

    I can see it now: "Screaming Dinosaur 7.0! Now featuring the Mullet theme, complete with AC/DC background music. Cinderblocks available as add-on module(please note, Cinderblock module disables browser completely, installs junk on your desktop)"

  31. Re:RIAA is grasping for headlines by hubble29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The RIAA is actually going about this in a winnable fashion and they don't even have to win to win. First they are taking on a person who does not have the deep pockets to defend himself against the 2,000Lb. gorilla that the RIAA is. If the student does not defend himself, the RIAA wins by default. The RIAA would then have a judgement placed against the student which would not be avoidable by bankruptcy and probably even have rights to his estate after his death. His credit is ruined and he would never have any hope of keeping any assets (cash or property), any earnings he is able to earn would probably be garinsheed also. The RIAA will also probably continue to keep the student in court until he dies of old age, demanding that he prove that he has no assets at each summons which would require several appearances. If the student fights the court case, the RIAA will keep him in court for years, one day at a time until he is broke and has to quit. At this point the RIAA wins be default again. This whole game is in the RIAA's favor since they have the bucks, resources, and the time (corporations can live a lot longer than people). Basically the poor guy's life is ruined unless some White Knight steps up and can give the RIAA a run for the money. In order to beat the RIAA at this game the student must somehow out spend the RIAA, tough to do. If the RIAA wins or settles out of court, they win. I f the student is able to win the case and the appeals that surely will follows, the RIAA has only lost one of an indefinite number of battles. Bottom line is this poor sucker is going to be made an example of to frighten the masses into submission. This war is a matter of life and death for the RIAA and they are going to pursue winning it as such.

  32. Re:RIAA is grasping for headlines by just+some+computer+j · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That makes sense. But, you forgot that most judges in the united states are liberals and would never let a settlement of billions dollars on one person to stand. In the end, the judge and set a dollar amount for the settlement. If the student just admits his was in the wrong, then the judge will set a limit of more or less in the area of a couple thousand dollars.

    But, I think we are also forgetting that the RIAA said a few years ago that they would not sue any person directly like this. But that is so typical of a business. Say one thing one day, and go against the next.

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  33. MS Software by danb35 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the MS letter:
    The software received is governed by the electronic license embedded in the product set up that appears prior to installation and no additional documentation is required.
    Now, as any of us knows who's ever installed a piece of MS software, every such piece of software claims to be governed by the EULA that displays during installation. Now, if the statement quoted above is true of the software on those CDs, is it also true of the identically-marked CDs I've seen sold at computer shows?

    Let's even carry it one step further: If clicking "I Agree" gives me a license to use the software, why wouldn't that apply to what would otherwise be illegal copies? It sounds pretty bizarre, but it also seems pretty consistent with what that letter said. And whatever happened to that whole "is it authentic" campaign?

  34. "Analog" by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    They have many, many possible height levels. They are completely analog devices.

    Analog devices have noise. Therefore, analog devices are built with tolerances, and on a given brand of lock, these tolerances may allow for only about ten distinct height levels per pin.

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  35. QSS not only for OS X Server by extra88 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even though Apple's site says QuickTime Streaming Server requires OS X Server, it really doesn't. You can install it on a regular OS X system.

  36. Re:Heheheheh.... Another hax0rish post... by yerricde · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, seriously, how many people have reverse engineered the installer _BEFORE_ actually installing and set it up so that it installs even if you say you Disagree?

    If performed in the United States, such an act could possibly violate the DMCA. The installer may qualify as an "access control mechanism" under 17 USC 1201, and telling it to install even on Disagree may count as "circumventing" the license screen.

    Nothing you see on Slashdot is legal advice. Even if a user is a lawyer, you're not his client.

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  37. Blackboard has put an official response on the web by geddes · · Score: 4, Informative
  38. My point is this... by Apuleius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they just want Acidus and Virgil nailed, they can let the two speak and then file criminal complaints. If the vulnerability is not a big deal, that is. Their system is shown to be robust, and they get their dose of spite by seeing Acidus &Co in cuffs. But if it is a big deal, then they have some explaining to do on why they didn't tell the colleges. Anyway, you're right that the devices are boxed in well, But it doesn't take much effort to trace the conduits and find a place top patch in.

  39. A modest proposal by alizard · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about calling it "900t"? An anonymous reader writes "As previously reported, mozilla.org's Phoenix browser has been renamed to Firebird. This hasn't pleased supporters of the Firebird relational database project. In an Australian LinuxWorld article, one of their administrators calls the name change "one of the dirtiest deeds I've seen in open source so far." In a MozillaZine article, the same person accused mozilla.org of "theft" and "corporate bullying". They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company. Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird

    I'd like to suggest that all Open Source disputes over program names be settled through trial by combat in the old English tradition.

    If this works, perhaps this method can be used to settle all trade name disputes.

    Alternately, a version of this adapted to the programmer community can be tried.

    Set up a server on a static IP. One side tries to keep it running, the other side tries to h4ck it down, who defends and who attacks settled by coin flip.

  40. Firebird?? by AaronPSU79 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " In a MozillaZine article, the same person accused mozilla.org of "theft" and "corporate bullying". They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company." Firebird....Firebird...somehow that name sounds familiar...scratching head........Am I nuts..or was there also a CAR named Firebird??? shameless trolling, but someone had to do it

  41. Mozilla SQL Database System by shazbotus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Somebody ought to make an sql database called Mozilla. That will ignite the situation. Or better, the Firebird SQL Database project should rename to Mozilla. *sarcasm*

  42. Re:The Military And Masterlock by Laplace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Meanwhile, rapists at the academy go completely unpunished (although the victims do if they speak out). The military is the coolest.

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  43. Re:Firebird by helebor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Under "reactions of the Firebird folk", do you believe this posting from an anonymous reader, that slashdot headlined today? --
    "How about calling it "900t"? [snip] In an Australian LinuxWorld article, one of their administrators calls the name change "one of the dirtiest deeds I've seen in open source so far." [that article quoted me, btw]
    [snip]
    "In a MozillaZine article, the same person accused mozilla.org of "theft" and "corporate bullying". They don't explain how it was different when they picked a name that was already used by a BBS, financial software manufacturer, Fenix IDE and games company."

    I did post a comment about these other "Firebird" projects, which all except one are either more recent than ours, or are long defunct. The BBS project (a year older than our project) is a Chinese bulletin board, scarcely to be considered as being in the same space the way an open source browser and an open source database are...

    "Meanwhile, IBPhoenix, an organisation that supports the development of the Firebird database, has put up a protest page, encouraging people to spam the MozillaZine forums"

    This is a patent LIE - hence, no doubt, the poster's desire to stay anonymous. The readers were invited to write, not "encouraged to spam". As background to why the need to do so, our private emails to the Mozilla people at the start of all this have gone unanswered. What else could we do?

    "(even though MozillaZine had nothing to do with the decision)"
    Another misrepresentation. The announcement was made on the Mozillazine talkback forum and feedback was expressly invited.
    " and send masses of email to many Mozilla developers"
    Another outright lie. The suggestion was "You might like to write to..."
    "(most of whom were not involved in selecting the new name)" The announcement said "we". Absent better information, how could anything be assumed except that the whole Mozilla team made the decision, since that was how it was announced.

    "I find it rather hypocritical that the Firebird database people are accusing Mozilla of "the filthiest of dirty tricks" while at the same time advocating the harassment of many Mozilla developers."
    I find it highly hypocritical that an anonymous poster would construct a spin like this -- and rather depressing that Craig Ringer and others are buying the spin.

    Helen Borrie
    Firebird Project Admin

  44. They don't carry what I want to listen to. by bninja_penguin · · Score: 2, Informative

    If I join one of those clubs, I could get the quantity of the discs you say, but they don't carry the bands I like, nor do they carry cd's that are by bands no longer around, and never made a big hit. This is something that everyone on both sides of this copyright shit need to realize. Especially the RIAA and other corporate entities. I don't want Brittney Spears, or Metallica , or whatever bullshit is lining the shelves of Walmart. If they really want to stop piracy, then I should be able to walk into anyplace that sells cds, and pick up a copy of Haunted Garage, or LawnmowerDeath, or anything else I decide. No, special orders do not cut it. The biggest music store here never even heard of these bands, and they don't find them on their little order sheets, so I must search all over to find my kind of music. Gee, the internet has sure made it easy to find my music. I buy from band pages when I find bands worth buying from, but when the band is dead and gone, and the RIAA decides to discontinue the cds, well, what then? P2P fills this bill. If they would think ahead just a bit, they could setup the motherlode of all napsters, and charge a reasonable fee for access, and then they would, at the very least, quadruple their income and reduce costs. This will never happen though, because Corporate thinking corrupts all that it touches, and the RIAA is certainly corrupt. But hey, what do I know? I work for a living.

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  45. NPR is part of PBS by djupedal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you use QuickTime...are you giving $$ to PBS?
    <BR>
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    This email is to discuss a recent decision by NPR, which I note on it's website says "In partnership with PBS".

    NPR.org has announced* it will stop using QuickTime for online /audio, in favor of an apparent Microsoft-only solution.

    As a past supporter to PBS in my hometown, Sacramento, I find it less than 'public' for an otherwise public resource such as NPR to adopt what I feel is a restrictive posture towards their online community.

    I also notice that the PBS website still supports QuickTime as a available format for viewing video online. I would like to believe that if PBS can continue to support more than one choice of online video, NPR would be able to follow suit.

    If PBS/NPR is going to request financial support from the community at large, it should perhaps consider those funds come from people with various choices that not only apply to politics, etc, but to information access methods as well. If I felt that PBS/NPR was only going to support a Microsoft environment in the future, I would be less apt to provide financial support....and I'm sure others will be thinking along similar lines.

    Regards,
    .....

  46. Why NPR really did this... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can download audio of many articles directly from the site. Unfortunately, Apple's web browser of choice (Safari) thinks that the audio links are served up as *.smi files--perhaps "self mounting image files".

    Safari will, instead of opening these files with RealPlayer, Quicktime or downloading them to a desiganted directory, will open them up directly with Disk Copy-- an operation that wil surely fail.

    And because NPR uses javascript to decide what kind of stream to serve up, it's rather difficult to cut and paste a link directly into one of the audio streaming clients. I suppose you could uncheck the "open safe files automatically,", and control click the downloaded file, select "Open With RealOne Player" and enjoy the results, but that solution is rather complicated.

    NPR blames Apple for this. I'm sure that in the confusion, angry Safari users have jammed already strained technical support queues. So NPR does the only sensible thing-- it seeks petty revenge by dropping Quicktime.

  47. Thanks MS for the license-free software! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Enroll as student at university hosting next MS-sponsored event and grab a CD.
    2. Ignore sticker that says separate license required, as MS says to.
    3. Wait for cat to walk on keyboard during installation and agree to on-screen license agreement.
    4. ???
    5. Profit!

  48. Turn off the nagware by ouija147 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Open date and time and set the year to something like 2024. Then save this time. Launch Quicktime and click on later to register sometime in the future.

    Now reset the year.

    Re-launch quicktime...no nag to upgrade to Quicktime Pro.

    This has worked for years, and is pretty widely known...I saw it on a Mac forum and have forgotten who the poster was so I cannot give credit to the original poster.

  49. Re:Dodgy reporting by elem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (c) why firebird - what's so special about the name?

    The logo.

    If you look its clearly a phoenix, a firebird is basicly just another way of calling it. It essentially means that they can keep the "same" name even if they've had to change the title for legal reasons.

    IMO the Firebird DB project needs to stop being a bunch of whining asses. So its got the same name... Does the DB have the name registered as a trademark? Do you really think that people will get confused and download a browser if they're clearly looking for a DB? Do you really think that people will think "shit! the DB has the same name as a browser, thus it must be crap!". I don't...

    Actually I'd say that they have reason to be happy - think of the thousands of slashdoters who have now heard of your Firebird...