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Interview with Jordan Hubbard About DarwinPorts
Gentu writes "OSNews hosts an interview with Jordan Hubbard (of Apple, OpenDarwin, and FreeBSD fame) where they discuss DarwinPorts and how they compare to Fink. There is also a hint from Jordan that there might be some of the FreeBSD 5.x advancements to be found in Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) that is coming out, reportedly, this autumn."
Georges W. Bush, our great Fuhrer, dead !
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - American Great Fuhrer (holder of the popular vote of Florida ubermensh) Georges W. Bush, was found dead in his Camp David sionist Kommandatur palace this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his fantastic work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture and popular wars. Truly an American icon.
The interviewer didn't ask for Hubbard's reasoning for leaving a dying free OS to join a dying company.
yes I'm joking
Trolling is a art,
When are the BSD developers going to quit rolling over for Apple??? Aren't you guys tired of having all your good ideas stolen and sold by Apple yet???
Dying+dying = Living!! =)
In the last three months, Microsoft earned $2,790,000,000 in profits!
CreationismPorts?
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...and presumably it will cost another $130 for the upgrade.
If I wanted to be on a costly upgrade treadmill forever, I'd be using Windows. If I want a Unix with spotty peripheral support and availability of applications, my choices are Linux and MacOS.
I've been using Macs since 1984, but I've given up now. The only reason I'm keeping my Mac is to run legacy apps.
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Let us just hope that the Darwin ports don't fall prey to natural selection
...that's why they BSD-licensed the shit. But good troll!
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
Why don't Apple Port OS X to i386 machines? Surely they could screw Linux in the corporate world as well as snap at the heels of MS. Do they really make so much money from their hardware business? If so, I doubt it would die as a lot of people like Macs for the look-and-feel (to coin a phrase) and that wouldn't go.
unAmerican and Unpatriotic acts should be frowned upon and that includes violation of DMCA which is designed to protect our GREAT American corporations like Microsoft that has made us so powerful.
DEATH to unAmerican and Unpatriotic acts
DEATH to gnu CRAP
DEATH to opensource SHIT
ONLY Microsoft is RIGHT
ONLY America is RIGHT
Want Proof of this?
Watch some TV you liberal SCUM
Open ur eyes & see how the iraqi people PRAISE our GREAT President and welcome our BRAVE MEN with love
Yet ANOTHER PROOF that the American way is the RIGHT way
Everyone else should DIE
Heil Bush
I agree, that is a bit steep for a 1-year upgrade, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt on pricing before we start vilifying them. As for cost, I thought Mac-heads were supposed to be used to paying 2-3 times typical cost for stuff. (NO, that's NOT flamebait!)
The question is also, can you keep using 10.2 when 10.3 comes out? I suspect so. In fact, I kind of like the way this works - they release a new upgrade every year, but probably the last 3-4 years of upgrades work perfectly. This way, though, there is a *new* version of Mac OS out whenever you upgrade. That's pretty cool. So the only people who really get gouged are people who feel like they have to have an updated OS every year, which you couldn't even get from M$ if you wanted it. (Yeah, service packs don't count ;))
I've been using Macs since 1984, but I've given up now. The only reason I'm keeping my Mac is to run legacy apps.
Interesting, I wouldn't even touch the damned things until 10.2 came out...
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
I don't agree, hp and compaq tried that one and end up with, big company with problems + big company with problems = very big company with lots of problems.
James
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When MacOS X for Intel/AMD architectures?
Apple is a hardware company that also makes their own software. The hardware has always come before the software, Apple I to present.
Heute die Welt, morgen das Sonnensystem!
I think it is important to point out that the 2-3 times the *typical* cost will also yield you 2-3 times the *typical* stability and usability of comparable machines. Maybe there is an Apple luxury tax, but Apple users are more likely to be satisified.
Heute die Welt, morgen das Sonnensystem!
as someone who uses computers for both research and creative purposes and at the same time need compatability with the masses (i.e. M$office compatability) I have finally made the decision to switch from my current dual boot windoze/linux config to mac. I can now run all the professional level music production software I need for work, my free linux apps, research group unix software and M$office on one system without the need for reboots / emulators etc...
I had been trying linux/openoffice/wine for some time, but to me mac osx is the ideal solution (despite the cost)
I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
i agree.
What siskbc said.
Mac OS upgrades are typically more interesting than Linux or even Windows upgrades as Apple tends to make it a point to add a significant change in performance and luxury to the operating system. Since Mac OS X is still relatively young, the changes you may see in 10.3 will be striking--or, to some people, a "Duh!" move.
For one, the Finder is the butt of jokes, and needs multithreading and greater power.
Second, I think Samba needs more work.
This summer, Apple fans should expect to see some serious shit. Strong rumors of the PowerPC 970 chip will probably come true (amidst NDAs) from WWDC as super-Mac hardware may finally arrive with all the system bus, cache, and 64-bit power that's needed to return Macs to compare reasonably to Pentium systems. Next, Mac OS X matures, and goes 64-bit compatible (if it's not already there).
Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
You guys obviously didn't hear about the seeded developer testing of a "White box" from Apple. The case was welded shut to avoid intrusion, and reportedly contained an Athalon chipset. OS X IS ported to i386 and IS working. I don't see why Apple holds back, but it sure is cool to know that they have an ace up their sleeve...
"...these observers report that Apple has been serious enough about its ace in the hole to seed a few lucky civilians with prototype boxes - delivered heavily swaddled in layers of cloak-and-dagger security, natch. Specifically, recent testers report taking delivery of Athlon-powered boxes that Apple had assiduously welded shut to prevent prying eyes from ogling whatever other gremlins might be lurking inside these nondescript beige chassis." -MacEdition
I got nothin'.
Next time I go to a birthday party I'm gonna tell the person I give a present to that it's GPL-licensed. That way, if they actually use the present, they have to go give it away.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
That's what they told you to say?
Well, the masses will prefer the most inferior OS which is windows. Does apple expect to sell macs because "the masses" will want to use OS X so badly that they'll buy Macs next?
The thing is that OS X is already portable since its based on FreeBSD which is working on i386 just fine. The only excuse for not porting it is to make you buy apples, but that won't work because a) its dead obivous that this is a stupendous marketing plot and b) because OS X is no big thing and c) because Windows XP is much better.
I disagree that reverse engineering drivers is better than supporting companies that go out of their way to produce OS X/Linux drivers.
I want *supported drivers in the box* for my OS of choice, and I'm prepared to vote with my wallet for that.
If you think I'm kidding, you can rest assured that your Linux distro includes something, somewhere, that came into existance as a result of Apple's work, whether directly or indirectly. Yeah... you know fully well that things get ported from one free software project to another. That's the whole point. (Ever seen the BSD license on something in your Linux distro? Yeah. That's right!) And if it wasn't "copied" as code, it was "copied" in theory.)
I was an advocate of various Linux distros for a long time, until I finally tried FreeBSD. This was relatively recent: 3.3-RELEASE had just shown up in stores and I bought a boxed set that included the FreeBSD handbook. Not ten minutes passed after installation completed on one of my machines and I was hooked. Since that moment, I can't stand the SysV style that most Linux distros have adopted. SysV is just too complicated... all kinds of directory structures stretching on for infinity, and WHY?! FreeBSD puts everything at your fingertips. (No offense to Linux advocates and developers, as I continue to use Linux on many machines at home and at work. But I really do wish that BSD-style admin stuff would show up in more Linux distros... If I had the time to do it myself, I would have done it a long time ago. But as you know: 1, setting up a truly intuitive environment is difficult; and 2, I'm wasting all my time posting junk all over /. and don't have any time left to do useful stuff.)
Back to OSX... No, I have not switched to "the dark side" yet. I am waiting for Apple to natively support x86, which shouldn't be too complicated considering that the software they used to build the operating system is relatively portable. I would be all over an x86 Apple iBook. It is the hardware that currently prevents me from switching.
Oh yeah... and keep up the good work, Jordan.
I think you could have abbreviated that to "The finder is BUTT" without losing any accuracy. Seriously, I think Windows Explorer is better, and that must have been difficult for Apple to accomplish.
Second, I think Samba needs more work.
Well YOU just won the understatement of the year award! Samba implementation on the mac has been pretty spotty. I've had some issues with disconnects between the "apple" username and the "BSD" username, with the result that I simply couldn't use samba for certain user accounts. That has to change. Also, I can't mount stuff by hand really well from command line with mount -t smbfs. If I do, it will recognize it and give me a mounted volume icon. But then, if I go to eject it, it hangs with the SBOD (spinning beachball of death), and I have to force quit finder. Not cool.
Also, if they would change the way they do aliases/links, that would be good. It should be integrable with unix, and now it's not. I want to be able to create an alias under Mac OSX, and then, when I mount that volume under samba from a linux/windows machine, I want it to be navigable (if the alias is a directory). Right now, apple aliases don't work like that, and just show up as a file in samba. Not so good. I want aliases, in the future, to be implemented pretty much as symlinks.
So when you get down to it, FIX SAMBA!!! ;)
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Uhhhh no, 10.1 costs $129, like 10.0 before it and 10.2 after it.
OS X is not based on FreeBSD. Its based on 4.4 BSD. The kernel is not the BSD kernel, it is Mach. The only BSD parts of Darwin are the userland tools which are generally inferior to the GNU ones. And all of the source released by Apple is under the APSL, not the BSD license (the APSL is far more restrictive than the BSD license).
Here, for your reading enjoyment, is the text of the last time I responded to this question. (And here is the link.) Please distribute this text/link to every nerd on earth so that we can dispense with this question once and for all.
The lack of clones is the major problem with Apple? Sure, it keeps prices high and marketshare low. It's true. It is the worst thing about the platform.
And yet, it is also the one single thing that makes them unique in the market and gives them value. The vertical integration they have (hardware/os/iapps) allows them to a) innovate their product line faster and more radically than some other hardware/software makers and b) allows them to sell an entire end-to-end solution (like firewire-imovie-idvd-superdrive) with a user experience better than anyone elses. These things are at the core of what makes Apple Apple. Take them away - take away the vertical integration by doing clones - and what you get is cheaper boxes and much rejoicing...and a dead/dying platform within 2 years because it has lost that which made it valuable to begin with.
Bonus point: Why should anyone care? Certainly Mac users should care, but others should, too. Apple has an influence on the personal computer industry that is vastly disproportionate to its marketshare. They innovate. Others follow. Therefore, a healthy Apple is good for the industry. Mac clones = bad for Apple = bad for the pc industry.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
Though I sympathise with Hubbard's reasons for leaving the FreeBSD project almost a year ago, I was saddened by the fact as well.
Though FreeBSD as always, continues to evolve into an ever more mature, robust, and friendly platform for almost any purpose one can envision pursuing, the loss of one of it's founders, the man responsible for so much of the advocacy, and promotion of this wonderful system is certainly a setback, and likely not the best way to help it to embody everything that he loves in OSX.
Why would Apple release OS X when all it will do is expose their hardware as inferior to x86?
Please don't mod this as a troll - Adobe recommends x86 systems for Photoshop, etc.
First let me begin by saying FreeBSD is great, and Hubbard should be thanked for that. Now the entity, formerly a person, manifests himself as a true Demon, a fallen Angel, no longer a Daemon. His excuse? " I wanna bring BSD to deh Masses, Garhuck, geee Garhuck," A la Communist/Eisneresque Organization DISNEY's Goofy character.
Hubbard. FUCK YOU. Mach is a piece of shit. And now you hack it instead of the superior FreeBSD kernel. Hubbard. FUCK YOU, now you hack a userland that is even more unbecoming, incoherent and error prone than even the miasma of shit known as linux distributions. Hubbard, FUCK YOU, for selling out to fucking Apple, and his super heavyweight UI and its limited capability and audience. you fucked up, Royal Ass, Watch KDE and other projects eat away at your little bitch company, that is now buying mega media companies and going the role of the lame, lumbering incapable beurecratic piece of shit mega corporation. you will be stifled, just as JWZ was by Nutscrape.
Jordan, you sold out you pussy. You sold the fuck out. You call the FreeBSD committee a Polish Parliament? And you suck the dick of Steve Jobs? Talk about a Poloc. I fucking hate apple. My fist is clenched, and my eyes water with anger. I would love for Steve to DIE in the most horrible way, he fucking Raped Xerox PARC, and things he is another Thompson when he is a fucking bitch fraud thief asshole. And you work for him. You could have been as godly as a Ritchie, but now you FUCKING sold yourself to a candy company that sells "sex appeal" and NOTHING FO FUCKING REAL TECHNICAL VALUE, BITCH. Your shit wont help "cure cancer" or land people on Mars, its to make pot smoking fucking elitist bitch yuppie asshole "art designers" airbrush zits out of their UGLY FUCKING GIRLFRIENDS.
You make me sick, scumbag.
Tsarkon is HERE, NOW. I am all over this, sewing the seeds of dissent. And here is another move towards glorious triumph, You are part of the Apple evil, the Microsoft of hardware, trying to destroy and manipulate Open Source by using it and warping it.
WE WILL HAVE NONE OF YOUR TRAITOR CONTROL LEVIED UPON US!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Jordan. How can you sit there and tell me with s a straight face I should deprecate the use of FreeBSD and Linux for OS X? How can you even suggest that of a Windows 2000 user? I have all hardware at my disposal. I have all operating systems at my disposal. I tried to get into OS X, but Jesus
I just bought an iBook (I'm normally PC but I HAD to...long story) and OS X does NOT run slow on it. Now that the iBook supports Quartz Extreme, OS X runs smooth as butter. The G3 in the iBook is a different beast from G3s of old. In fact, it gives the 12" PB's G4 a run for its money in non-altivec software - and that's quite a bit of software. The only thing I would suggest is max'ing out the RAM to 640MB. But even at 128MB, my iBook didn't seem as sluggish as I thought it would (me coming from a P4 2.2GHz). I still upgraded to 640MB though. As the PC folks might have their "MHz myth", the Apple folks have their "G4 myth". Sure, the G4 is faster, but if you're not into photo re-touching, or rolling your own home video DVDs, you'll very seldom take advantage of the extra speed.
Well, personally, I could see how Apple would port OS X to Intel architecture mainly to use it as leverage.
They may build and sell a lot of systems, but it's a mere drop in the bucket compared to the number of people using Intel or AMD processor in their machines.
Apple might have felt threatened that they couldn't push a chip-maker (like IBM) to give them a sucessor to the G4 quickly enough to prevent Apple computers from lagging too far behind PCs in the performance curve.
Therefore, they needed to make it clear that they weren't going to simply sit around and wait for someone to build them the next CPU. What better a way to send that message than to say "Hey, we have our OS running on existing AMD (or Intel) CPUs. If we're pushed up against a wall, we can go that route - and then we won't be buying *any* of the new CPUs you guys develop. So how about stepping up that timetable on production?"
Should I mod all these OSX-on-Intel idiots down, or mod insightful people like you up? Oh how I wish that one would turn into ten!
Fuck off, asshole. 10.1 did NOT cost money and you either know that, or you're a fucking idiot who can't keep numbers straight. I have one mod point left, but damned if I'm gonna waste it on a fucking troll like yourself. Go die. Slowly and painfully.
When you said 20 minutes, the first thing that clicked in my mind is this guys having some problem. You definitely have something bad in your system and blaming it on Apple, if its really taken you 20 minutes.
Gather up more diverse experience in different macs and different wintels before making a judgement. Apple is known for its stability and speed over wintel in all quarters, not because a bunch of mac fans tried copying a file on a 486 running windows98 and 8 mb ram, with viruses etc, for 20 minutes, then gave up on it.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
do not feed him, he posts this to every apple story. plus hes wanking it to the fact that you people are responding to him, yes even this post too.
First let me begin by saying FreeBSD is great, and Hubbard should be thanked for that. Now the entity, formerly a person, manifests himself as a true Demon, a fallen Angel, no longer a Daemon. His excuse? " I wanna bring BSD to deh Masses, Garhuck, geee Garhuck," A la Communist/Eisneresque Organization DISNEY's Goofy character.
Hubbard. FUCK YOU. Mach is a piece of shit. And now you hack it instead of the superior FreeBSD kernel. Hubbard. FUCK YOU, now you hack a userland that is even more unbecoming, incoherent and error prone than even the miasma of shit known as linux distributions. Hubbard, FUCK YOU, for selling out to fucking Apple, and his super heavyweight UI and its limited capability and audience. you fucked up, Royal Ass, Watch KDE and other projects eat away at your little bitch company, that is now buying mega media companies and going the role of the lame, lumbering incapable beurecratic piece of shit mega corporation. you will be stifled, just as JWZ was by Nutscrape.
Jordan, you sold out you pussy. You sold the fuck out. You call the FreeBSD committee a Polish Parliament? And you suck the dick of Steve Jobs? Talk about a Poloc. I fucking hate apple. My fist is clenched, and my eyes water with anger. I would love for Steve to DIE in the most horrible way, he fucking Raped Xerox PARC, and things he is another Thompson when he is a fucking bitch fraud thief asshole. And you work for him. You could have been as godly as a Ritchie, but now you FUCKING sold yourself to a candy company that sells "sex appeal" and NOTHING FO FUCKING REAL TECHNICAL VALUE, BITCH. Your shit wont help "cure cancer" or land people on Mars, its to make pot smoking fucking elitist bitch yuppie asshole "art designers" airbrush zits out of their UGLY FUCKING GIRLFRIENDS.
You make me sick, scumbag.
Tsarkon is HERE, NOW. I am all over this, sewing the seeds of dissent. And here is another move towards glorious triumph, You are part of the Apple evil, the Microsoft of hardware, trying to destroy and manipulate Open Source by using it and warping it.
WE WILL HAVE NONE OF YOUR TRAITOR CONTROL LEVIED UPON US!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Jordan. How can you sit there and tell me with s a straight face I should deprecate the use of FreeBSD and Linux for OS X? How can you even suggest that of a Windows 2000 user? I have all hardware at my disposal. I have all operating systems at my disposal. I tried to get into OS X, but Jesus fucking Christ man, it SUCKS fucking shit. Its slow
Doing what at apple? Taking out the trash? Sorting Steve Slobs mail? You are such a fucking dork. If you cant figure out how to use FreeBSD or dare I say it, Linesucks, you must be a god damn fucking cretin and you certainly aren't doing anything technical at Crapple.
First let me begin by saying FreeBSD is great, and Hubbard should be thanked for that. Now the entity, formerly a person, manifests himself as a true Demon, a fallen Angel, no longer a Daemon. His excuse? " I wanna bring BSD to deh Masses, Garhuck, geee Garhuck," A la Communist/Eisneresque Organization DISNEY's Goofy character.
Hubbard. FUCK YOU. Mach is a piece of shit. And now you hack it instead of the superior FreeBSD kernel. Hubbard. FUCK YOU, now you hack a userland that is even more unbecoming, incoherent and error prone than even the miasma of shit known as linux distributions. Hubbard, FUCK YOU, for selling out to fucking Apple, and his super heavyweight UI and its limited capability and audience. you fucked up, Royal Ass, Watch KDE and other projects eat away at your little bitch company, that is now buying mega media companies and going the role of the lame, lumbering incapable beurecratic piece of shit mega corporation. you will be stifled, just as JWZ was by Nutscrape.
Jordan, you sold out you pussy. You sold the fuck out. You call the FreeBSD committee a Polish Parliament? And you suck the dick of Steve Jobs? Talk about a Poloc. I fucking hate apple. My fist is clenched, and my eyes water with anger. I would love for Steve to DIE in the most horrible way, he fucking Raped Xerox PARC, and things he is another Thompson when he is a fucking bitch fraud thief asshole. And you work for him. You could have been as godly as a Ritchie, but now you FUCKING sold yourself to a candy company that sells "sex appeal" and NOTHING FO FUCKING REAL TECHNICAL VALUE, BITCH. Your shit wont help "cure cancer" or land people on Mars, its to make pot smoking fucking elitist bitch yuppie asshole "art designers" airbrush zits out of their UGLY FUCKING GIRLFRIENDS.
You make me sick, scumbag.
Tsarkon is HERE, NOW. I am all over this, sewing the seeds of dissent. And here is another move towards glorious triumph, You are part of the Apple evil, the Microsoft of hardware, trying to destroy and manipulate Open Source by using it and warping it.
WE WILL HAVE NONE OF YOUR TRAITOR CONTROL LEVIED UPON US!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Jordan. How can you sit there and tell me with s a straight face I should deprecate the use of FreeBSD and Linux for OS X? How can you even suggest that of a Windows 2000 user? I have all hardware at my disposal. I have all operating systems at my disposal. I tried to get into OS X, but Jesus f
Funny....I just set up fink on my iBook the other day after setting up XFree86. I plug in at work and can use xdm query to our HP, Solaris and linux database boxes. I use it has a handy extra terminal. I also do recording with my Bluegrass band with my iBook (why I bought it) and OS X has made it so I can use it at work too..(Oracle DBA) now that there is a OCI client, JDBC clients for 10.1 and 9iR2 for 10.2, OpenOffice and Mozilla I don't forsee needing Microsoft products for anything...(goodbye IE in a few days)
I am on 10.1 still but will be popping for 10.2 shortly as drivers and audio apps are now ready for my MOTU 828. (no need for MacOS 9.2 then)
(I don't work for Apple BTW)
Certainly OS X is IMHO the most interesting OS right now.
I say if you are buying a notebook get a Mac...intall fink, Mozilla, OpenOffice and leave MS behind.
Free-for-all is not the only way to go with clones. Apple could specify the standards and license fees to ship a clone and then put checks in MacOSX to only allow it to boot on approved hardware. Yes, someone will hack it, but the result will not be sold in CompUSA. Apple doesn't have much to loose, when they'll still get money from anyone who competes well with their own hardware.
I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.
with much gayness,
Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.
Find out where the DEC guys who wrote FX32 are working. If they are at apple, you have your answer.
FX32, for those that don't know, was an add-on to NT for Alpha, that ran x86 binaries natively. And it was awesome. Although this will be sort of the reverse of that, the mindset is the same.
Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.
I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).
Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!
Sincerely,
Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.
No you don't. You don't work as an SA for anything. You are a bystander. You know nothing about Linux. Plus linux is a shitty Unix Clone. Try FreeBSD or real UNIX/iron out, bitch.
You are a fucking fraud. What a fucking total fraud. You are such a bullshitting liar. Yeah, a Beowulf cluster of Linux boxes to calculate the extent of which your stupidity has fractured the space and time continuum.
You know what. I think I know who you are. I think we are much closer than you would want me to be. I am there looming in the shadows, watching your every move. You are a worm, and I am the dark raven, swooping down and snatching you up, and exposing you for the fraud that you are.
You are a little person, but such a big liar. I am angered with you. These are the beginning of dark times for you, fraud. You are such a tool. A little bitch wannabe. And nothing more.
Anyone here familiar enough with FreeBSD 5.x to know what features Hubbard may have been referring to when he said "we'll have to wait for the 10.3 Panter release"?
Right, because you can of course run OSX binaries compiled for Motorola chips on an x86. Dumbass.
Oh, and be sure to convince Apple that people don't really mind noisy fans to dissipate all the heat (no really, those people complaining about the MDD Macs were just being sarcastic, Apple didn't really need to send out those replacement power supplies to be nice to their customers and give them back their nice QUIET machines!).
God, you know an architecture is dead when the best argument someone can come up with is heat dissipation and the sound of fans. Yeah, Motorola chips dissipate heat well, they don't run fast enough to make much heat! If apple switched to x86, the cost savings at a given processing power would leave you more than enough money to liquid cool the goddamned thing, with no fan, producing 0 dB of noise. If that's your best argument, you lose.
When you get down to it, the Motorola line is dead. Supposedly Apple is going to go with some 64-bit chips from IBM for their next major change. They could have gone with x86, but decided not to. But either way, staying with Motorola would have been suicide.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
"As for cost, I thought Mac-heads were supposed to be used to paying 2-3 times typical cost for stuff."
You lack historical perspective.
What THIS Mac Head is used to is getting his OS for free. I didn't pay for OS 5, 6, or 7.
What happended to the good old days when you could just wander into the local mom & pop Apple retailer with a couple blank floppies and they would gleefully (and legally) dup it for you?
This Mac Head was quite accustomed to paying $0.00, thank you.
No. Command-Option-Escape is more or less a GUI wrapper for killall (dunno if it's signal 15 or 1 though).
kill -9 is stabbing him in the eye first.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 MHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Why on earth would they use TCL? It has got to be about the worst language ever created.
you're shooting alot of blanks lately tsarkon.
you're just not very good at this troll thing, perhaps it's time to pack your things & go home to mommy.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3559
It's not like the G4 is THAT far behind the x86 architecture (which is dying, btw).
In 1997, when Apple was offering dual 604e-350 machines compared to Intel's pathetic Pentium Pro 200 (complete with math bug!) you didn't hear PC zealots calling the x86 architecture 'inferior' or blaming it for the destruction of Intel...
x86 is a moribund architecture. All modern x86 chips do "translation" from x86 instructions into their own RISClike machine instructions (think how fast those CPUs could be if they weren't hobbled by this). Intel is leaving x86, and AMD is only sticking with it to get Intel's sloppy seconds.
The PowerPC is relatively new architecture with a lot more room to grow. The POWER4 already beats the Xeon and Itanium, and the PPC970 will continue this tradition. And it will be true 64bit as well!
I know that many people claim they make the majority of their money from their hardware. But i'm not so sure about this anymore. Ever open up a Mac lately? Turn over the main board and you will sure enough find an intel nic. The only thing they make anymore is the nifty case, keyboard, and mouse. They resell the rest and i'm not so sure the profit margin is what everyone thinks it is. Its more plausible to me that when you buy a new mac, you are paying the suggested retail price for all the software included in one plus a small markup on the hardware. Just my 2 cents.
Don't waste time... procrastinate now!
Ah, Mohammad Saeed al-Sahhaf! We were wondering where you had got to...
The 8600 is actually one of the faster pre-G3 machines; see this link. They go up to 300 MHz and take the same RAM DIMMs that your 8500 takes. The 8600's the next generation after the 8500 (they went from 8100 to 8500 to 8600 with the pre-G3 PPC midtowers, you see.) I have an 8100 and an 8500, nice little machines. The 8500's been a great Linux box with the RAM upgraded to 96 MB and a 9 GB Seagate SCSI-2 drive in it, running Debian of course :) And I've got it down to the point where I can pull the motherboard out in 4 minutes.
Actually, the way Apple and MacOS (Classic and X) do aliases is far superior to the way symlinks or shortcuts work. An alias in MacOS still tracks it's target until it's moved to a different filesystem. You won't gate a broken link until you delete the target. With Symlinks/Shortcuts, you move the file once, it's gone. I'll stick with my aliases, thanks. (Oh, yeah, and if you make an alias, the Terminal/shell treats it as a symlink.)
Jordan Hubbard is not in fact a core team member anymore. He resigned shortly before he left full time for Apple. I refer you to the following page for a a current list of FreeBSD core team developers:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/arti
I thought Woz was the Polock and Jobs was the Jew.
...but maybe it doesn't have to. Why not a dual platform solution?
Sun has Solaris for x86 and the last I checked they were still pushing a lot of Solaris on Sparc.
It doesn't sound like it would be all that expensive or complicated for Apple to support x86 hardware in addition to PPC, especially if they take the Sun model and get real selective about what will and won't run. They can use many of the low-level drivers from FreeBSD x86, which will ease most of their hardware burden.
The biggest work IMHO would be making the graphics layer work with PC graphics cards, but then again Apple already has a ton of experience with nVidia and ATI already -- couple that with a "limited menu" for supported hardware and you're off the races.
The purpose of making something like this available? It'd send a signal to CPU vendors that they are ready, willing and able to support other CPUs *now*, not just through in-house portability boxes. It'd also give them an opportunity to improve their portability capabilities.
Would it make a huge dent in Windows? Probably not, but there's always a chance that it grab enough trendsetters and mindshare leaders that it could possibly move into places where it hasn't existed.
Right, because you can of course run OSX binaries compiled for Motorola chips on an x86. Dumbass.
Uhh, where the fuck did I say that, dipshit? You seem to have a major reading comprehension problem. I don't know if you're trying to tie in the next point (that fact that few apps outside of Apple's own would initially exist for OSX/x86) or if you're just fucking stupid. Frankly, I don't care. I'm just bored.
God, you know an architecture is dead when the best argument someone can come up with is heat dissipation and the sound of fans.
Ooh, I'm so glad you're a mind reader, because I forgot to say in my post, THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT I CAN COME UP WITH. Thank you so much for clearing that up!! God, you know a person is a moron when they call any little example supporting the opposing position 'the best argument someone can come up with.' That,s right, you win. People buy Macs to sit and measure the sound levels and brag about heat dissipation. They don't actually do anything with them.
And then you confuse 'architecture' with one company's products based on an architecture. Motorola is not the entire PPC architecture! Wow, I'm going to try to be REALLLY smart like you and assume that because you didn't say something, you must not know it. Ready? Here I go, I'm concentrating real hard... NEWSFLASH, IBM's new chips ARE PPC! Same damn fucking architecture! And they'll kick ass. They won't beat the latest Intel has at the time, but they'll be a hell of a lot closer! I ASSumed you didn't know that because you omitted it from your dumbass post. Look at ME!!! I'm clever like siskbc!!!
Oh, and the whole point, which both of you are too fucking stupid to grasp, is that OSX for Intel is suicide for Apple. They know that, but you're too fucking dumb to figure it out! Wow, you and Icy would make a fine pair. Go sodomize yourselves with a cheese grater.
I am so very very bored of reading /. replies to Apple-icon articles. They just go on and on about whether OSX sucks/rules or Apple hardware sucks/rules or Apple the company sucks/rules.
Come on, post something relevant. Tell me why you love fink or darwin ports.
Me: G4 powerbook; OSX 10.2.5; love it. Use both as terminal and for development, before committing over to Linux cluster or webserver. And I do use fink a little bit, but mostly I get stuff from the developers' CVS or websites because it's not _in_ fink. BioPython; ncbi toolbox/blast; assorted other bio-this'n'that.
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
They just do not see a financial win/win return on investment, business case.
How do I know? I've worked at both shops and I agree the business case is just not there.
If you really want to determine the Annuity on that Initial investment then take into account all the maintenance costs, etc in broadening the driver base that HAS TO BE THERE for x86 MacOS X to be profitable.
Architecturally speaking x86's limited IRQ's etc really is annoying. Ask nVidia and ATI how much better they enjoy developing drivers for OS X versus Windows, and even Linux.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the IBM 970 in the next generation Mac systems so I can get back to using MacOS X.
For now I use Debian/KDE which I also love.
Hardware Company. HARDWARE. The only way Apple could stay afloat, without a major company policy/income shift would be to have all the systems made in such a way that only Apple systems will run macos X. if the emachines for 300 bucks at the computer store down the street runs macos X just like a mac then Apple would lose access to their cashflow(hardware). So you want x86? fine, but you won't be able to use your p3 500 system in the corner with it. Apple couldn't afford it.
Indeed, it has been said that the fact Apple does not allow clones is the worst possible alternative...
...except for all others.
Uhh, where the fuck did I say that, dipshit? You seem to have a major reading comprehension problem. I don't know if you're trying to tie in the next point (that fact that few apps outside of Apple's own would initially exist for OSX/x86) or if you're just fucking stupid. Frankly, I don't care. I'm just bored.
When you told the guy that if he wanted OSX on x86 he could implement it yourself. And I quote you,"You can do that now, it's just not cost effective. Duh, Darwin is open source! Modify it if you need to, and run OS X on top of your modified Darwin. Same could be done with x86, and for much cheaper." Fucktard. Guess you forgot how a compiler works, huh? Or that might assume you ever knew. Shitty advice on your part, poor guy's going to be trying to run OSX on top of his hacked x86-Darwin install now.
Ooh, I'm so glad you're a mind reader, because I forgot to say in my post, THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT I CAN COME UP WITH. Thank you so much for clearing that up!! God, you know a person is a moron when they call any little example supporting the opposing position 'the best argument someone can come up with.'
When someone is making a case and only uses a single argument, it's a fair chance that it's the best argument, except in your case it's because you're a dildo. So no, your lame argument makes you look like a moron.
Oh, and the whole point, which both of you are too fucking stupid to grasp, is that OSX for Intel is suicide for Apple.
You have made absolutely no coherent point for this, and frankly, I consider your zealotry on the issue to invalidate any point you would have had, except you don't have any. Why is Intel suicide for Apple? There wouldn't be any clone issues as long as long as Apple used proprietary Mobo's with proprietary BIOS's....like they do NOW! There are other issues to deal with, but any alternative is better than Motorola.
Honestly, you seem to have some serious anger problems as well as this tendency to lash out when people shred your ill-formed posts. You might want to talk to someone about that.
you shut your pussy bitch mouth you fuck-fag.
i dont want to hear your carmelized dog shit crap eructate from your pussy mediocritomaton mouth you fat unwashed greasy sexles fucking pig.
id fucking up and kick your ass if I ever saw you. and if you were "bigger" (not fatter, like the fat fuck i think you are) i get a taser and duct tape your fucking ass in a port-o-let and dump it on you fucking pigboy.
i hate you little pussy asshole anectdotal chiming in like this. i fucking hate it, bitch.
You dont get the context. The troll was referring to a reference hubbard had made to the freebsd comittee being like polish parliament. Sounds like Hubbard possibly got arrogant and had to find the most arrogant person in computing today to hang out with, Steve Jobs.
Now realize im kidding with the subject but hear me out. Its not that explaining why OSX on open x86 isnt _ever_ going to happen isnt needed at times; here in response to an otherwise very thought out parent posting qualifies as a good time to do so. But at this point it is hardly "Insightful" anymore. If anything the original parent should be modded down as unintentional trolling for not coming to terms with what any Apple user knows and many others (/. editors with Powerbooks?) are figuring out with a quickness. Apple is a hardware company when it comes to their coffers. Yes to a user it may seem like they sell hardware and software but to their accountants the truth is obvious: sick hardware margins keep Apple in business, period.
So again im not trying to come down on either of the aforementioned posts, please dont get me wrong, im just saying that this is about as tired as explaining why Apple ships a one button mouse.
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