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SCO Releases Linux OS for Itanium 2

GreyPoopon writes "Computerworld has an article referring to SCO's announcement of Enterprise Linux for the Itanium 2. Base installation starts at $999 for up to four CPUs. My favorite quote: "With its new system, SCO is a little late to the Linux on Itanium 2 market." I would think being late would be the least of their worries right now. I personally consider this to be my daily dose of comedy. Newsfactor has a better article."

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  1. what? by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 4, Funny

    what's this Itanium I keep hearing about?

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    1. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is this SCO I keep hearing about?

    2. Re:what? by bsharitt · · Score: 5, Funny

      A new release of SCO Linux. I know Linux fans every where have been looking forward to this.

    3. Re:what? by helix400 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What!? Don't you know? Its *Itanium*, everybody knows what Itanium is!

      Jeez...next thing you know you'll be asking..."And what does this .NET thing exactly do?"

    4. Re:what? by juan2074 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, and we would love to pay SCO $999 for Linux, rather than download and run it for $0. Brilliant move, again, SCO!

    5. Re:what? by sketerpot · · Score: 4, Funny
      "And what does this .NET thing exactly do?"

      Well, DUH! It brings you closer to your customers and lets you integrate solutions with legacy systems, with a lower TCO for a greater ROI!

      I mean, everybody knows! It's in all those magazine advertisements! Plus, I hear it has lots of XML in it.

    6. Re:what? by KoolDude · · Score: 2, Funny


      What is this SCO I keep hearing about?

      Nothing much... a bunch of idiots who are Suing Companies and Open-source(SCO) for no reason ;)

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    7. Re:what? by usotsuki · · Score: 2, Funny

      TDM TLA, JGM (Just Give Me) GOD (Good Old DOS). :

      -uso.

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  2. The most anticipated release ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    RMS's favorite distribution is now available.

  3. hm by glenkim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't there some way to tell them, fuck you, stay away from our OS? Stupid double-edged sword of open source...

    1. Re:hm by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think Linus could revoke their right to use the Linux(tm) trademark. If he were so inclined...

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    2. Re:hm by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, thats a good idea. Lets limit who can access Linux. Maybe we should have it where you have to get a license to make changes, that way we can keep them out. Or maybe we should just not let them have the source to begin with, so they can't change it. Or maybe, just not let anyone look at it, unless they sign a statement saying they won't release it to anyone else.

      Congratulations, you just invented Windows.

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  4. Obvious question... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean they're going to have to sue themselves?

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  5. Buy SCO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fund the death of Linux!

  6. Baghdad Bob Lives! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    SCO releases brand-new Linux for brand-new CPU! DoubleClick now in charge of privacy! AOL now the Good Guys for suing spammers, and Australia about to ban all spam! Feral robot dogs run amok!

    If Baghdad Bob hanged himself the other day, he obviously made it to heaven, and God must have left the Reality Machine unattended.

  7. Another Dose of Comedy by Goody · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q: What's the difference between SCO and a carp ?

    A: One is a worthless scum-sucking bottom dweller, the other is a fish...

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  8. Understatement by endeitzslash · · Score: 3, Funny

    SCO's suit, which requests "not less than $1 billion" for damages, has been a source of great controversy in the Linux community.

    No controversy on Slashdot certainly.

    Nosirree Bob.

  9. 1000 bux by sstory · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A thousand dollars for a linux install, eh? These SCO people must know something I don't. Seriously, can anyone tell me what would justify paying that?

    1. Re:1000 bux by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny
      No, no ... that's $1000 for the software and a license for 4 CPUs max. If you want them to install it, that'll cost you more!. Or if you want to install it on multiple machines, you need to buy more licenses.

      What a hoot!

    2. Re:1000 bux by ralico · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably something that is illegal in 49 states, Nevada the exception.

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    3. Re:1000 bux by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't be serious. SCO was never a "big player". They were always a pissant little wannabe company.

      If I'm going to be paying that much for an OS for a piddly little 4-CPU machine, I want someone from IBM or Sun to be available to do onsite support.

      Buying from SCO isn't even on par with buying from Dell.

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    4. Re:1000 bux by skroz · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A thousand dollars for a linux install, eh? These SCO people must know something I don't. Seriously, can anyone tell me what would justify paying that?
      I don't know, ask RedHat. I personally think it's a fine idea from their perpective if they can sell it, but that's another issue.
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    5. Re:1000 bux by elflord · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A thousand dollars for a linux install, eh? These SCO people must know something I don't.

      They know that someone who has a quad CPU Itanium 2 can afford to spend $1000. SCO don't need to come up with something that the average slashkiddie considers to be a good price, they only need to come up with a complete product/support solution that is better than the competition.

  10. Only 4GB RAM on multiproccesor Itanium 2? by 1984 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For the newfactor article:

    "The company's base edition of Linux Server 4.0 software is licensed to accommodate up to 4 Itanium 2 processors."

    OK, so it's good for a to 4-way system before you have to pay more money. But later...

    "It supports 4GB of RAM..."

    If you're paying out for a 4-way Itanium 2, wouldn't you (typically) want to handle more than 4GB RAM? I imagine there are applications that benefit from a 64-bit CPU but don't use much RAM, but I thought the core market was people using large amounts of data?

    Or does it support more RAM and this article's just not great?

    1. Re:Only 4GB RAM on multiproccesor Itanium 2? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps. However, people also buy such systems for the memory bandwidth. Infact, I would expect that to be more likely to be the case than there being any real interest in exploiting the larger register size.

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    2. Re:Only 4GB RAM on multiproccesor Itanium 2? by MmmmAqua · · Score: 4, Funny

      ScoLinux was going to include some old UNIX tech to support 16Gb of RAM until ScoSource threatened to sue them for $1Bn.

      SCO's CEO was quoted as saying, "We're not in any danger of going out of business, we just want to stop these thieving bastards from taking our precious thirty-year old source code, dusting it off, polishing it up, refactoring it - actually, just writing new code from scratch, but 'Linux' sounds sort of like 'UNIX', so it *must* be descended from ScoSource IP - and selling it as their own."

      He then removed his rose-colored glasses, glanced at a recent SCO SEC filing, and muttered, "Oh, shit."

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    3. Re:Only 4GB RAM on multiproccesor Itanium 2? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Umm, last I checked, a 64-bit processor doesn't give you a wider bus automatically. That's purely a function of the attached bus itself. In fact, in the RDRAM architecture, the bus is actually really *narrow*, it just runs at very high clock rates (IIRC, in the Ghz range these days, with packets that are 8 bytes wide). So, no bandwidth is probably not a key factor in the decision to buy an Itanium-based machine.

      The odds are good they either want 1) really excellent floating point performance (something I hear the Itanium is good at), 2) better performing native apps, because, theoretically, the compiler can optimize better with more registers and the ability to statically schedule multiple operations simultaneously (although we'll see how that plays out in practice), or 3) the ability to access large amounts of RAM.

      Note, the second point I listed is a bit of a red herring, since I'm not aware of any really good IA-64 compilers yet (other than maybe Intel's), and I'm sure the practice of optimizing for the IA-64 is still developing.

  11. In related news... by drgroove · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO Group, inheritor of the intellectual property for the Unix operating system, has sued itself for more than $1 billion, alleging that SCO misappropriated their own Unix technology and built it into Linux.

    The suit, filed Thursday afternoon in the 3rd District Court of Salt Lake County in Utah, alleges misappropriation of trade secrets, unfair competition, breach of contract and tortious interference with SCO's business, the Lindon, Utah-based company said. SCO also sent a letter to itself on Thursday demanding that if it doesn't meet various demands, SCO will revoke it's own license to ship its version of Unix, in 100 days.

    "We are alleging we have contaminated our UnitedLinux work with inappropriate knowledge from Unix," said Chris Sonfag, senior vice president of operating systems at SCO and head of the company's SCO source effort to make more money from its intellectual property.

    Analysts saw the move as a desperate one for SCO, a company that hasn't been profitable in its current incarnation.

    "It's a fairly end-of-life move for the stockholders and managers of that company," said Jonthan Unice, an Illuminato analyst. "I mean, hell, they've already gone ahead and filed suit against IBM - but, this is really over the top."

  12. More info on SCO.. by nacs · · Score: 5, Informative

    More information on SCO, it's lawsuit, the many boycotts against it and why they aren't exactly the ideal company can be found here.

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  13. controversy? by mikeee · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't think there's any controversy at all on slashdot about SCO; there appears to be a strong consensus that they suck.

  14. Re:Oh, the irony.. by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    It's ironic that SCO is suing IBM over code in the Linux kernel.. but they're making profits off of Linux.

    You assume they'll actually sell enough of this distro to make a profit.

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  15. Re:BitTorrent it! - Would it really be worth it? by rushfan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not sure if it'd be worth the bother... SCO's "enhancements" (if you can call them that) generally suck anyway. I'd rather just see a parody distro of SCO than anything attempting to be usefull...

    Besides, RedHat, Gentoo, and SuSE are way better (as well as being alot nicer) Although the whole RedHat/Pink Tie thing is a bit annoying...

    Hopefully SCO will just die soon.

    Rushfan

  16. $999 for a four-cpu system ain't bad by B3ryllium · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, to buy those CPUs retail would cost about $2000, so this is a really good deal.

    (Wait ... what's that? this is JUST for the OS? Bugger off. That's insane.)

  17. From the too bizare and stupid to be real dept. by mxmasster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See this is all part of the strategy... sue IBM for infringing on your IP, so everyone will buy your product so that they won't be liable.

    But wait, release a GPL product with your IP embedded in it... doesn't that mean that your IP is now GPL?

    Boy am I confused, so SCO is suing IBM for writing software that they are now selling for themselves and benifiting from.

    Where can I buy tickets to the court case? I can't wait for this!

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    1. Re:From the too bizare and stupid to be real dept. by GammaTau · · Score: 2, Informative

      But wait, release a GPL product with your IP embedded in it... doesn't that mean that your IP is now GPL?

      IANAL, but if I recall correctly, the SCO vs. IBM issue is about trade secrets and contract violations, not about copyright or patents. Therefore the GPL clauses about patents and copyright are irrelevant in this case.

  18. Wait a sec... by Arcaeris · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's this? SCO still makes a product? I thought they got out of that business.

  19. Huh? by qwijibrumm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The thing I can't wait for is 64-bit laptops with a real advantage over their 32-bit counterparts
    You won't see this with Itanium2 any time soon do you have any idea what kind of power the suck up? Unless you want to carry around a battery pack the size of a small UPS keep waiting.
    It has been quite a number of years since the jump was made between 16 and 32 bits... It's high time to make the next jump to 64 bits!
    I agree to the extent that the consumer end market is ready for the power that a 64 bit processor can deliver. Most importantly RAM limits. (I'm almost using all of my 640k ;) However, don't think that 64 bits is new it's been out since at least the early 90's just only for scientific and other number crunching applications.
    In addition to all the wonders of 64 bit computers running UNIX-like operating systems, such as it being WAY COOL, there is a REAL ADVANTAGE for the free software community in these developments! I firmly believe that if the free software community embraces 64-bit architectures as soon as possible...
    Free/OSS comunities already have embraced 64 bit architectures. Linux and GNU run on MIPS, Sparc, PPC64, IA64, Alpha, and are well underway (Done?) with x86-64. It's not the lack of the community embracing the architechture, it's OEMs not producing a 64bit system that is affordable. Look at the damn prices for an Itanium1 or Sparc station.

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  20. Re:I dont know 'bout you guys... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Translation between marketroid-talk (from their site) and reality:

    • Marketroid: Support for Intel Itanium 2-based systems
      Reality: You can download the same software for free, but we know that PHBs don't trust FREE software
      .
    • Marketroid: Powered by UnitedLinux to ensure the broadest interoperability with other UnitedLinux products
      Reality:Even if UnitedLinux kicks us out of their group, we can still copy their stuff, after all, it is open-source
      .
    • Marketroid: Powerful new enterprise features based on the Linux 2.4.19 kernel
      Reality: No, we don't have any 64-bit apps for you to run, but this just sounds way cool!
      .
    • Marketroid: Secure, remote, Web-based system and network administration
      Reality: webmin.
      .
    • Marketroid: Sophisticated and flexible clustering features
      Reality: Which you won't use, or you'd already be running a cluster, which you can download for free here
      .
    • Marketroid: Backed by SCO's worldwide support infrastructure
      Reality: We want to lock you into a long-term support contract with us, even though we didn't create the thing.
  21. Gotta love their chutzpah though by ninewands · · Score: 3, Funny
    Quoth the article:
    The SCO® Group (SCO)(Nasdaq: SCOX), a leading provider of Linux and UNIX business software solutions, ...

    but RedHat, Debian, SuSE and even SGI got there first.

    More like leading supplier of hot air and frivolous lawsuits.
  22. This just in ... by Mikey-San · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Okay, if I'm dying, what the fuck do you call SCO on Itanium?" - BSD

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  23. GPL violations? by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be interesting to have GNU or FSF buy a copy and investigate it to see if there are any GPL violations! What might they find?

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  24. Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why would I want anything Linux? It is to Unix what a bicycle is to a luxury car. SCO will back me up on that. Wait...

  25. supports only 4 GB RAM by u19925 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so much for their 64-bit OS.

  26. Re:trade secrets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Patents aren't bad. Neither are trade secrets. There are 2 issues that most OSS developers take w/ SCO's lawsuit vs. IBM.

    1.) SCO claimed in their brief that Linux is an immature operating system, that could only have gained dominance in the marketplace by IBM stealing IP from SCO and putting it into Linux (which is just patently false... pun intended); and
    2.) SCO claimed in their brief that OSS developers don't have the intellectual wherewithal to have developed similar features found in SCO's UNIX on their own, short of IBM lifting SCO's IP and showing the OSS developers how to do it, which is also patently false.

    Additionally, proving that SCO IP was somehow misappropriate is going to be just short of completely impossible, again making their lawsuit vs. IBM appear more as a grab for either 1.) as much $$$ as a trial will award them, or 2.) a plea to be absorbed/taken over by a profitable company, such as IBM.

    In this light, the OSS community doesn't necessarily take issue w/ IP per se, just SCO's flagrant remarks against OSS developers in their plea to become profitable or purchased through litigation.

  27. Fucked Company + Wildly Unpopular Architecture by jonathonc · · Score: 5, Funny

    PR News Release
    SomeHickTown, Utah. (Apr 16, 2003)

    The SCO Group has released a Linux server operating system for the 64-bit Intel Itanium processor, the company announced Wednesday. A SCO Product Manager was quoted as saying "As our main revenue stream is based on frivolous lawsuits we thought we'd expand further by deploying a Linux distribution based on a failing server technology - how could consumers not be tempted by this marriage made in hell?"

  28. From the SCO Information Minister by Mikey-San · · Score: 3, Funny

    "SCO's future on Itanium is immense, burning brightly like a flaming retard. SCO on Itanium supports more than 4GB of RAM. Do not believe the Debian infidels when they say otherwise! We are also the cheapest Linux distribution in the world! Anything you are told by the scheming harbingers of doom is a lie."

    I could go on all day with this thread.

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    1. Re:From the SCO Information Minister by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could go on all day with this thread

      I have every faith that you could go on all week on any given thread without saying anything insightful, witty, clever, or funny.

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    2. Re:From the SCO Information Minister by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Funny
      "As you know, it is forbidden in SCO to tell a lie, and SCO is an honorable company, therefore you must believe me when I tell you that SCO is a leading producer of Linux and UNIX servers. Do not believe the scheming infidels of Red Hat! IBM lawyers are committing suicide on the courthouse steps. I tell you now that no SCO customer will ever switch over to Debian. Never!"

      You're right, this is too easy.

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  30. SCO=? by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 2, Funny

    SCO= Slow CEOs OnBoard

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  31. Fuck them by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should not get advertisment from slashdot. Microsoft releases some cool products and features and yet they are barely mentioned at all here on slashdot unless its negative because the editors hate them. Same should apply with SCO.

    Cmd Taco and Timothy. If your reading this please do not advertise for SCO. Screw them. Tell them to shove it up there ass unless its something really worthwile or negative.

  32. I don't under the GPL business model by gqy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SCO's Linux Server Base version is priced at $599. It comes with no technical support or any kind of warranty.

    Can someone just make a copy of their Linux software and distribute it for free? Why are people going to buy from SCO directly?

  33. What's everyone's problem? by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who CARES if sco wants to charge $999 for linux? IF they can pull that off, MORE POWER TO THEM.

    Why is it everytime someone charges money for something everyone freaks out?

    The whole point of this whole open source/free software is that, within certain licensing constraints, anyone is FREE TO DO what they want with the software, including make money.

    Seriously.. I hate SCO as much as the next guy (if not more), but give it a rest.

    How has sco harmed you by offering this package? Oh, they haven't?

  34. GPL Release of IP? by Harry8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did SCO just release all of their intellectual property under the GPL?

  35. SCO is a little late by ebcdic · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's "late" as in "the late Arthur Dent".

  36. Re:I HATE Circus Peanuts by charon_on_acheron · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'll have to excuse Tom, he hasn't had his circus peanuts today, so he's really grouchy. I get that way when I'm jonsing for them too. But what's with the "other 3 people" comment? Tom and I like them, and I was just on the phone with Cindy talking about this, since they are her favorite too. Mary just sent me her daily "Circus Peanut" peom, and then John...wait, I haven't heard from John in two days..oh no, John's dead. Not John, he was the kindest guy I know, as long as he had those circus peanuts. I have to go now. I have to email Mary about this.