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State "Communication Services" Laws Analyzed

87C751 writes "There has already been some discussion about Michigan and other states implementing new laws to protect "communication services", with results that could ban NAT, VPNs and even email encryption. Mike Godwin, of EFF fame, has looked into this subject a bit deeper, and makes a frightening observation. Among other things, this PDF report draws an ugly conclusion: As written, these "mini-DMCA" acts change the legislative focus radically, such that all technology that is not expressly permitted by a communications provider will be prohibited. Is this the backdoor maneuver that will turn the net into television once and for all?"

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  1. You adopt IPv6.... by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    And I'll drop my NAT box in a heartbeat.

    But don't fuck with my VPN!

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    1. Re:You adopt IPv6.... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> And I'll drop my NAT box in a heartbeat.

      Your future monthly cable bill without NAT:

      Basic channels: $23.95
      Premium channels: $12.95
      Internet connection: $19.95
      First system IP address: $17.95
      Second system IP address: $15.95
      Firewall IP address: $15.95
      Video Recorder IP address: $15.95
      Game box IP address: $15.95
      Printer IP address: $8.95
      VPN Fee (1 destination): $29.95
      Voice over IP fee: $24.95
      Local taxes: $17.54
      Federal taxes: $22.45

      Total: 242.44

    2. Re:You adopt IPv6.... by Amer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your forgot: Refrigerator IP address: $15.95 Groceries over IP Subscription: $5.95

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    3. Re:You adopt IPv6.... by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a local provider, and we work on the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, Don't ask them to support your servers, fix your shit, or make them do extra work, and they don't tell us to pull down our servers. They specifically avoided the language in their EULA, and because it's ADSL, they don't have to worry too much about insane bandwidth charges. They cost about $5 more a month, but it's well worth it when some guy says to you "Here's the Internet. Enjoy" rather than "Here's the World Wide Web. NO FILESHARING! NO SERVERS! WE DO YOUR E-MAIL! WE BLOCK PORTS!"

      If they were to go to IPv6, I'm sure that they will charge a small fee for a subnet, which I'll happily pay. I've told them this, and they seem interested, but it's not the right time for them. When some of their older equipment goes to end-of-life, they'll replace it with ipv6 shit, and then we'll get it.

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    4. Re:You adopt IPv6.... by Mr+Z · · Score: 2, Funny

      The look on your face as you open the bill? Priceless.

    5. Re:You adopt IPv6.... by bsharitt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That may have been modded as funny, but that's basically what they want to get at.

  2. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mirrored it here in case of slashdotting...

  3. Already happened by L.+VeGas · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this the backdoor maneuver that will turn the net into television ..?

    Nah, I think AOl did that.

  4. The ball starts rolling .. by reyalsnogard · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's already Super DMCA legislation that, in certain US states, prohibits the masking and concealment of any internet communication.

    Check the eWeek story here.

    1. Re:The ball starts rolling .. by Hanzie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wouldn't that apply to online shopping? SSL credit card numbers on an encrypted page?

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    2. Re:The ball starts rolling .. by goldspider · · Score: 2, Interesting
      But if the people who are supposed to enforce these absurd laws don't know the source of the communication, how are they going to catch the perpatrator? Isn't that the point of anonymous communication?

      Seems like a self-defeating law that was only put on the books to placate a limited number of constituants.

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  5. This just in... by MimsyBoro · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has been reported that a new law has been passed in the United States, all posts to /. require a valid username/password pair. This is to avoid those anoying "My dog does yo mama" posts that seem to come from the "Anonymous Coward" terroist group. As the official spokesperson for the group Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf claims: "There have been no 'Anonymous Coward Posts' since early last year." In another unrelated comment he claimed: "There are no dupes in /."

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  6. A Way Out? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    all technology that is not expressly permitted by a communications providerM will be prohibited.

    Oh, let me think.. put this dangerous little mind to work for a moment.

    If this is what a large provider like SBC wants, perhaps it's not so bad on the surface. (You already know these laws don't get started without their helpful assistance in Lansing, Sacramento, and so on, without their helpful assistance)

    Much is made about Wi-Fi. What's to stop grass-roots cooperatives forming wi-fi networks? Seems like I've been reading quite a bit about these on Slashdot lately, including communities, even cities, considering this. Great for a few reasons, not the least of which is less dependency on capital-heavy infrastructure. Don't like SBC? Encourage or participate in creating not competition, but alternatives. As always, watch your back for legislation to prevent or hinder such enterprises, along the lines of "It shall be immensely illegal for people to cast of the chains of bondage to BigBabyBell in favor of a free and unrestricted system."

    Remember, countries used to be criss-crossed with a hojillion miles of rail. Once the Interstate highways were built in the USA that all changed. (I saw a rail map once of northeastern LP of Michigan, it staggered the mind how much rail used to be up in that sparsely populated area.) Like rail, BigBabyBell doesn't move without expending a lot of capital. Seems to me Wi-Fi is a capital-light.

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    1. Re:A Way Out? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Just a quick ?, for US readers (but non-US readers, please consider and comment within your own context), is there any law you can think of which states the CSP you interface with must be a domestic company? Suppose a japanese or french company (come to think of it T (as in T Mobile) is Deutsche Telecom) sets up relays or satellites, what's to say I can't bypass SBC, et al, completely? If so then the answer may be foreign competition to keep domestic providers honest. :-)

      "Yeah, that'd be one hell of an Achilles Heel, there's probably something on the books about it -- for our protection."

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    2. Re:A Way Out? by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      allowing foreign companies to control any large part of our telecommunications infrastructure is a bad, bad idea.

      Yet, as the article suggests, domestic control can also be bad.

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  7. I imagine by ekephart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    more than your everyday slashdotter will be upset over these implications. Businesses all over the country rely on VPNs. So what happens when a business is based in one state not banning them and does business in one that does?

    As for NAT... NAT is an ugly, dirty and frighteningly simple fix to IPv4's shortcomings. Someone already said it, adopt IPv6 and NATs will fade away.

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    1. Re:I imagine by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2, Funny

      adopt IPv6 and NATs will fade away.

      Now we know what to do about nats, ipv7 for houseflies?

    2. Re:I imagine by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah, thats great and all but every internet router sold today is a NAT. I guess tehy will ahve to grandfather those in because people get pissed when they have to buy new shit to comply with new laws.

      besides that how the hell am I gonna offer internet access to all my computers in my house with out an nat? I will have to get an IP for all of them from the damn ISP.

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  8. question, answer by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this the backdoor maneuver that will turn the net into television once and for all?"

    In a word: yes.

    I'm convinced all those goatse links were preparation for that eventuality, too.
  9. NAT-based firewalling? by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, if I'm prohibited to use NAT-based firewalling, who's going to take responsibility for securing my home LAN? Certainly the broadband providers don't want to get into that arena for those people paying the basic $40/mo.

    I use NAT not so much for the many-to-one translation of my home network to the internet, but because of the inherent security it provides. Unless the broadband providers are going to be liable for failing to protect my network, my firewall isn't going to go away.

    1. Re:NAT-based firewalling? by Cyno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, NAT does provide some security. Unless you want to explain how you're going to get your packet past my NAT without me initiating the connection.

    2. Re:NAT-based firewalling? by ajs · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, if I'm prohibited to use NAT-based firewalling, who's going to take responsibility for securing my home LAN?

      Home LAN?! Was that expressly provided for in your agreement with your service provider?!

      I think you're going to have to rip out those cables before the FBI gets to your house, buddy!

    3. Re:NAT-based firewalling? by schon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope you're not saying that NAT alone provides any form of security at all.

      Depends on the type of NAT.

      The NAT used by most gateway devices (like Linux's Masquerading) does provide some measure of security, even if you've not implemented any packet filters..

      If your gateway device implements no filtering at all, and you're using NAT, the devices behind your NAT gateway are invisible to the outside world, as the only packets that will reach them are ones associated with an existing connection.

      In this respect, NAT is kind of like a "poor-man's" stateful packet filtering - which is probably why the two are so closely linked in the 2.4 kernel.

      If you argue that it provides no security, then I can use that same argument to show that stateful inspection adds no security either (which every security professional I know would disagree with.)

  10. Stupid State! by brotherscrim · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have the unfortunate distinction of being a resident of MI. I just don't get this one. I mean, if this whole mess was an effort to combat cable theft or something, why did this law ever get passed in the first place? I figured the laws against THEFT pretty much handled such issues.

    The constant addition of restrictions in order to control the potential of crime or to diminish the ease in which they can be conducted is stupid to me. I mean, murdering people would be a lot harder if I didn't have any arms, but I doubt anyone's gonna pass a law requiring me to give them up.

    1. Re:Stupid State! by deanpole · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Remember, when creating a fascist state, the first step is to make everything illegal, and then selectively enforce it.

    2. Re:Stupid State! by mowa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Folks this is not about controlling crime! This is about controlling period!
      This is about achieving the high levels of profit that can only come when choice is removed, this is about controlling the incredibly powerfull tools that are the computer and the internet. Major companies want to ensure that it is their base that translates into these new mediums and even more importantly that all new tech developments can be controlled and funneled through themselves. And the advances they don't like can be blocked from getting out, certainly blocked from giving rise to new competition.

      As far as most companies are concerned "we the people" are no more than disposable labor and the income source, "we the people" should be compensated as little as possible and charged as much as we can bear. This serves the purpose of not only "maximizing profit" but also preventing the formation of new capital pools, which can reduce the need of the individual on the employer and give rise to new collective ventures not controlled by existing players.

      This is about removing the "free" from the "free flow of information".

      and that's "speach" as well as in "beer".

      mowa

    3. Re:Stupid State! by mattdm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, exactly, is that NRA card going to do for you? This idealistic notion of a citizen's revolt to throw off an oppresive government is a total anacronism against the most powerful and high-tech military in the world. So what's the benefit? Placebo effect, I suppose. People can scream about the importance of their right to have guns, when meanwhile their real civil liberties are taken away with no complaints.

  11. In the near future... by GLowder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    10 years from now I don't want to be explaining to my sons "I'm sorry, but we had our back turned and gave up our freedom of choice."

    Please call your representatives and keep this stuff from passing. /.'ers have shown that they can have a large concerted voice if properly motivated.

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  12. It Should be Obvious by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    That no government on the planet considers the Internet to be a good thing in its current form. It gives everyone too much of a voice, taking the communication monopolies away from the rich who can afford the equipment to get their word out. Obviously communication between citizens is dangerous and can only be allowed through government approved channels. That's what's happening now.

    You can talk about raising hell to stop it but frankly, the majority of the population couldn't care less and would probably actually agree that communication between citizens is dangerous and should only be allowed through government approved channels. Especially when the government pulls out the twin boogeymen of terrorists and child pornographers.

    So what can you do about it? Nothing. Suck it up. I dare you to prove me wrong.

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    1. Re:It Should be Obvious by ratamacue · · Score: 5, Insightful
      the majority of the population ... would probably actually agree that communication between citizens is dangerous and should only be allowed through government approved channels

      Sad, but true -- yet blatantly illogical. The core of this argument rests on the assumption that somehow, human beings of power (the rulers) are inherently more trustworthy than regular human beings (the subjects). But, what is it that actually differentiates the ruler from the subject? Is it knowledge? Education? Experience? Good will? None of the above: It's power and power alone. The true root of the argument, therefore, is that power (the "legal right" to initiate force) is inherently "just", which, when we put it that way, is simply ludicrous.

      Another false belief that I run into is that a majority -- which is really just another group of human beings -- is somehow more trustworthy or rightous than an individual human being, and thus, the majority opinion is more valuable than the single opinion. This argument is illogical by the same token.

    2. Re:It Should be Obvious by jhines0042 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That the constitution protects my right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of the Press proves you wrong.

      I don't have to be a big name corporate muckity muck to be able to publish a press release or a newspaper. If my chosen medium is the Internet then there is nothing that the US Government can do to legally stop me.

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    3. Re:It Should be Obvious by override11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then your logic would seem to lead to the assumption that a person who holds a PhD is 'more knowledgable' or somehow more able to make a decision that will effect all those non-educated people. I thinkn that is a definite problem. Just because your folks had the cash to send you to school long enough to cram a degree down your throat does not in some magical way gift you with common-sense. That is much more a function of upbringing and experience. I think you will find that most people with common sense stay OUT of politics, and the few that decide to get into it make excellent representatives.

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    4. Re:It Should be Obvious by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't have to be a big name corporate muckity muck to be able to publish a press release or a newspaper. If my chosen medium is the Internet then there is nothing that the US Government can do to legally stop me.

      Yeah, you have the freedom of speech, but everyone else has the freedom to ignore you. And that's why things like this will pass and the vast majority will ignore you. Releasing a press release will probably not reach anyone. The press might read it, decide it's boring, and then drop it. So that doesn't help. Publishing your own newspaper won't help either, because only your friends will read it, and everyone else will just toss it. Trust me - I don't care what you write. I already get my news from AOL Times Warner through my local paper, I don't need another paper poorly written by a couple of weirdo computer freaks.

      The fact that you aren't a "big name corporate muickity muck" pretty much guarentees that no one will read your paper or listen to your press release. No one really cares about what you have to say. Just like no one cares about what Slashdot has to say or any of the individual posters have to say. Stop a random person on the street and ask them about the DMCA and chances are very high that they won't know what the hell it is, or, if they do, think it's a good thing to protect Hollywood from the hackers on the Internet. Chances are rather slim that you randomly found another person concerned with the DMCA.

      Now I have to admit that the above is very trollish and inflammatory, so now I want to put the above into context. It's meant to put things into the context of the adverage American, the people who watch Joe Millionaire and Survior and American Idol, the people who were more concerned with the President getting a BJ than with Bosnia. In all honesty, I hope I'm being overly cynical. But if past performance is any indicator of the future, I doubt that anyone will be able to get people to care about something like this. Most people would rather just assume that while they don't understand the issue, the people purposing the laws must, and therefore assume that it's in their best interest. Most people also still believe that wealth==morality, and that if the rich argue for something, it must be right, while those poorer are just upset because they don't have the same riches.

      Only time will tell, but I just can't find any hope. No one really cares, unless the talking heads on the TV screen say it. And I can't think of any way to change that. Maybe someone else can find hope, but unless CNN starts talking about these issues, I doubt the majority will care, assuming that the government knows best.

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  13. This could be a problem. by Hanzie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everybody who uses Internet Explorer is sending encrypted packets back to Microsoft. MS is generating the packets without consent, but it would seem that both MS and Joe User are liable.

    So the collary might be "encrypted communications used in the normal course of software use are allowed." Which would open up lots of loopholes.

    Either that, or companies will have to get licensed to use encryption.

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  14. converted article from pdf to text by abhisarda · · Score: 4, Informative

    A BRIEF ANALYSIS OF THE "SUPER DMCA" (THE DRAFT MODEL COMMUNICATIONS SECURITY ACT)

    Background

    Over the past two years, lobbyists from the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have been lobbying in state legislatures for passage of a model "Communications Security Act." This
    act, which has already been passed by six states - Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wyoming - has been represented to legislatures as little more than an updating
    and minor amendment of existing state laws designed to prevent theft of cable or telephone service.
    A close reading both of the acts that have been passed and of the "draft model act" shows, however, that the proposed law could have a far broader impact - it could undermine existing
    consumer rights to use cable, telephone and Internet services, and could also hurt technological innovation and the development of new products that benefit consumers.

    The model act, together with the state acts that already have been passed or that currently are being proposed, are often referred to by some opponents as "super DMCAs" or "state DMCAs" - in
    reality, their scope is different from, and far broader than, the federal Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

    Overbroad Definitions
    The acts protect "communication services," which include any "service lawfully provided for a charge or compensation" delivered via electronic means using virtually any technology. This
    includes every wire in your house for which you pay a fee, including your telephone, cable TV, satellite and Internet lines. This category also sweeps in any Internet-based subscription services
    for delivery of copyrighted materials, including digital music services such as pressplay, MusicNow, or Rhapsody.

    The acts would regulate the possession, development and use of "communication devices" and "unlawful access devices." A "communication device" is virtually any electronic device you might
    connect to any communication service. The definition of "unlawful communication device" is somewhat narrower, sweeping in any device that is "primarily designed, developed, ...possessed,
    used or offered... for the purpose of defeating or circumventing" a technological protection measure used to protect a communication services.

    What the Acts Prohibit
    The proposed bills generally prohibit four categories of activity:
    (1) Possession, development, distribution or use of any "communication device" in connection with a communication service without the express authorization of the service provider.

    (2) Concealing the origin or destination of any communication from the communication service provider.
    (3) Possession, development, distribution or use of any "unlawful access device."
    (4) Preparation or publication of any "plans or instructions" for making any device, having reason to know that such a device will be used to violate the other prohibitions.

    page-2

    Short Analysis of the "Super DMCA," Page 2
    The Proposed Acts Are Unnecessary
    The MPAA has argued that this law is necessary to "update" existing state laws to prevent "Internet piracy" and "cable theft." But copyright infringement and cable-service theft are already
    expressly prohibited under current state and federal laws. In addition, any service provider who believes a subscriber has violated the terms of his or her service contract can terminate the contract.

    The MPAA has not identified any specific problem that is not already addressed by existing law. Nor have state law-enforcement personnel called for or supported these proposals.
    Controlling Consumers and Undermining Innovation
    These prohibitions, together with the broad definitions, dramatically expand the power of entertainment companies, Internet service providers, cable companies and others to control what
    citizens can and can't connect to the services that they pay for. If enacted, they will slow innovation, impair competition and seriously undermine consumers' right

  15. no surprise... by chipwich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The shift proposed by these bills is radical: all technology that is not expressly permitted becomes forbidden.

    This should come as no surprise. After all, the US is edging fast and furious toward a country where any freedom no expressly permitted becomes forbidden. So make sure you read the small print before you buy into the "land of the free" label.

    This seems to be the tendency of all civilizations, eventually. After all, power corrupts. But perhaps what is different in this new world is that instead of being enslaved to tyrants and other humans and has been the case throughout history, we are becoming enslaved to corporations, composed of humans. Corporations are devoid of any of the human-characteristics which otherwise might slow or change this progression. Or doesn't it make any difference?

    1. Re:no surprise... by uptownguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Humans have a certain tolerance for taking shit from these groups, but once it is reached and exceeded, inevitably, glass breaks, buildings burn, and certain accused parties get dragged into the streets. Hilarity ensues.

      ...Keep in mind that when that happens this round, people won't just be blaming corporations... they will be blaming the computers, too. As a geek, perhaps you (reading this, RIGHT NOW) should be more concerned about what would happen in a luddite revolution...

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    2. Re:no surprise... by maxpublic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit. Our rights have been under assault for quite some time. All of the rights enumerated in the Constitution have been curtailed in some fashion, and others are on the way to being completely ignored altogether. I could give you numerous examples of this, but such examples are so easy to find on the internet why bother? Take a look for yourself, it's not like you have to search extensively to see how little of your rights actually survive.

      The real problem is that the majority of Americans no longer believe in the Constitution or the rights enshrined in it. The majority *want* these rights curtailed or revoked. They want this because a) they don't trust their neighbors with freedom, and are willing to give up their own so long as their neighbor has to give it up too, and b) it gives them the illusion of power - i.e., they think by denying their neighbor the ability to do something their neighbor wants them to do, they 'prove' in some strange way that they actually have a certain measure of control over life (in this case, they've made their neighbor miserable and it shows).

      People talk about revolution in the streets if 'things go too far'. I say "bullshit". The farther things go, the happier the majority of the sheeple will be. If Constitutional rights are abrogated altogether most Americans would see that as a cause for celebration.

      Very few people believe in rights anymore. Very few people want the responsibility that comes with these rights. Americans are hankering for a dictatorship, a Big Daddy who'll protect them all from their evil-minded neighbors. And it looks very much like they're going to get exactly what they want.

      Max

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  16. But it's for security! by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    Keeping networks open allows us to properly monitor them, to ensure that they haven't been compromised by terrorists. And allowing ISPs to properly profit from providing such a valuable service is protecting US business interests, which protects the country. And installing those monitoring/tracking chips in your skulls while you sleep protects you, both from kidnapping by non-governmentally approved organizations and thought crimes which can come unbidden to the inproperly trained.

    Remember, AC isn't anonymous to us. So stop complaining, sit down, take your medication and watch some TV.

    1. Re:But it's for security! by brotherscrim · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nice post, but you forgot to explain how this is all "for the children."

  17. These Super-DMCAs violate "dormant commerce" by doogieh · · Score: 4, Informative

    These laws are probably unconstitutional. I would bet that these state telecommunications laws purport to regulate international TCP traffic in a manner that would violate the "dormant commerce clause" in the same way that states are limited in the way they can regulate interstate road traffic. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, though.

  18. previous analysis by de+la+pohl · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is not a new disclosure. Fred von Lohmann, also of EFF, drew similar conclusions in his analysis, which concludes that super-DMCA legislation:
    • is unnecessary
    • seeks to forbid what is not expressly permitted
    • removes the "Intent to Defraud" qualifier
    • attacks anonymity
    • chills computer security research
    • is a threat to innovation and competition
    • transfers law enforcement from public to private hands
    • seeks dangerous, one-sided remedies

    Lohmann also references the model bill that the MPAA is circulating among the states, a line-by-line analysis of which is here.
  19. Spirit of the Law vs. Letter of the Law by dsmoses · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to my interpretation of Godwin's interpretation.

    What the Acts Prohibit

    1) ... use of any "communication device" ... without the express authorization of the service provider.

    Wouldn't that mean that anytime I changed or upgraded my computer, hardware or software, then I would need to re-obtain express authorization from my ISP to use it to connect?

    2) Concealing origin or destination of any communication from the communication servive provider.

    This is way to vague. Using a NAT would be no more concealing then say SneakerNet or using a Scanner and forwarding the result. What if I wrote a document and work, copied it on a floppy and then sent it out at home? So any removable media is now against the law. Loosely interpretted, technically a NAT takes my uploaded file from my floppy (read PC) and then is the place of origin and destination.

    My argument for using a NAT is that the place of origin was me, my account, my system. Whichever computer I used shouldn't be an issue as long as they can tell that it was my account.

    Otherwise, taken a step further would mean I could share an account with anyone else in my household, as the place of origin could be my brain vs. my family member's brain, which obscures the true origin.

  20. Ok, so try making someone use only AOL by Crasoum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, AOL would only have legal authority in 6 states. (Delaware, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wyoming)

    Second, AOL would lose even more money in stocks, do you think people in other states wouldn't object to a monopoly?

    Granted I used AOL but replace AOL with almost any company and it comes out to the same result. People would use their wallet to tell representatives and companies just how much they like this law.

  21. Re:When they outlaw NATs... by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you know this one, then: "The GNU will rise again!" ;)

  22. Wyoming by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Grass-roots WiFi networks seem to me to be the only hope for a truly free communication network at this point. Unless there is a massive change in the mindsets of the government and their corporate sponsors toward respect for free speech and privacy, and away from treating citizens as criminals, the internet is only going to get more tied down.

    Yet whenever I start thinking about this, I stop at Wyoming. For a WiFi internet to work, you'll need a huge number of connections to ensure sufficient capacity and reliability. That's not so hard in, say, New England. Wyoming is a different matter. Along Interstate 84 (or is it 80? The two meet in Salt Lake City, and I forget which is which) you'll only find signs of civilization (a truck stop and a few houses) every 60 miles. Even with the ability to bridge those gaps, you still don't have the density of connections you need. I pick on Wyoming, but really all the mountain states have this same problem.

    I'd hate to see the WiFi grow only to the point of localized community networks that can't talk to each other. Not because community networks are bad, but because the global reach of the internet is one of the reasons it's so cool.

    Which, if you forget about Wyoming for a second, makes the Atlantic and the Pacific much bigger obstacles. :)

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  23. Stop complaining and.... by pfankus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...do something about it.

    Don't like these bills coming across your state legislatures? Write to your local senator or congressman. Go to the Michigan State Homepage and lookup your rep, write them an email, call them, fax them. Don't think it works? Try it and you will get a reply.

    Better yet, check the Michigan State Legislature website, and find out when this bill is up for a public hearing before the committee. This is the best use of your time if you are truly concerned. Since we are all somewhat tech-savvy, our input is paramount to countering the massive brainwashing and lobbying the motion picture and recording industry is pounding into your statehouse. Take a day off work, do some research, and tell the committees how this will affect their constituents. I know if this ever hits my home state, I will be first in line to speak out.

    It is your right to take advantage of democracy. Sure, it's difficult to change federal legislation, but if you pack the state house, you will get local media coverage, and your state reps will take note. Or you could just keep complaining here...

    1. Re:Stop complaining and.... by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sadly I'm afraid that this simply will not be enough, even with a large outpouring of concern,letter-writing etc. I fear that there will never be a way to defeat this sort of thing from the side of the governed. The only way it will stop is when WE have been put in office. Keep writing the letters, but also consider who among you might be a deserving representative. I would simply love to see some people in the law-making bodies who really get it.

  24. The genie is already out of the bottle... by surprise_audit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The genie's already out of the bottle, and no legislation is ever going to stuff it back in. If necessary, us geeks will revert to uucp-style networking - for those too young to remember, that's dial up connections from place to place, covering the whole planet.

    It won't get that far, though. I mean, it won't devolve to dial-up. Before that happens, there'll be privately operated line-of-sight connections between neighborhoods using lasers, private citizens laying their own fibre or copper around those neighborhoods, and radio amateurs running satellite links between towns.

    If you think that's a bit far fetched, www.scitoys.com has plans for a basic laser communicator that can carry a radio signal across a room using a $10 laser pointer. Shouldn't be too hard to beef that up to reach across a road or further.

    Yep, piss enough of us off, and we'll simply take the network away from the Baby Bells and see how they like that...

  25. Closed our business presence in by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Michigan and layed off 18 people as a direct result of this law. We've relocated operations to another less intrusive state. Way to go Michigan legislature, help out your citizens and look out for their best interests, or line your pockets with bloody money for selling out the voters....you decide..

    After all we all know the poor defensless cable companies couldn't make it in the world without government subsidies :(

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  26. Respecting the market... by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure how many of you /.'ers out there are familiar with FIRST (For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology), but within the organization, there is a concept known as Gracious Professionalism. Essentially, it means respecting competitors. Record companies and the movie industry need to learn respect for their market, and realize they shouldn't treat consumers as competitors. (Reading the article, it seems to me this entire proposal is based primarily on MPAA views, and little on actual communication company needs.) Passing fruitless laws will only anger their market, and further increase the decline in movie and record sales. Furthermore, why would they invoke laws to increase the political/legal strength of communications companies at all? What would happen to the family who shares a single cable line to all rooms of their house through a splitter, or internet through a router? Will they be tried as criminals for making use of a service they lawfully pay for? Reading up on certain laws and AUP's, it seems routers are already technically illegal, yet DSL and Cable companies offer to bundle them with their service. What is the world coming to when a market must abuse it's clients "to do the right thing." Gracious professionalism.

  27. Unconstitutional ? By who's constitution? by jefu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Remember the make-up of the current supreme court. And remember that Justics Scalia seems to believe that the American people currently have "too many rights". Look at the current administration and their notion of good laws (Patriot and Patriot II).

    Then be an optimist.

    But do remember that there seems to be an evolutionary/genetic predisposition to optimism.

  28. New business opportunities by Temkin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok... So what if the communication provider expressly allows NAT, VPN, etc... It seems to me this will just lead to a migration to ISP's that are less draconian. Failing that, Geeks will start new ISP's or even new "internets".


    Temkin


    1. Re:New business opportunities by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      or even new "internets".

      Sorry, I don't see it. The resources are not there, and the motivation is not there. Look over sf.net sometime. Look at all the abandoned projects...then come back and tell me these people are going to start a new internet?!?!? I'll believe it when I see it (and I am decidedly NOT holding my breath).
  29. But you are your provider... by PSL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you buy an internet connection DSL/Cable/Whatever. The External Service Providers job is to get that connection to your house. Then it is my job to be my own service provider. To get the service from my house to the various rooms in the house. My/Your NAT box does not hide the data going from your room to your nat box. And your service provider can still see the data that is going in and out of your house which is the connection that they provide. Question: Does this rule apply? I think so.

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  30. HIPPA? by PSL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does this affect HIPPA? http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/
    Patient Health Care information must be protected and hidden from the public. Yet this law would prevent this...
    Can the CIA/NSA/SSA/NASA no longer encrypt data?

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  31. Little Chicken by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "Super DCMA" is without question a disturbing "revelation" on behalf of the entertainment industry. It shows the continued distrust of business of the consumer, and the desire to engage in anti-competitive behavior by permitting the revocation basic consumer rights.

    If taken to an extreme it is possible that a prominent cable company could go so far as to say that you may only use dell computers with their service and that not adhereing to this is a violation of the law. Dell could become a "monoply" by entering into a "deal" with communications providers when in fact that deal - violates anti-trust laws.
    It certainly seems "bad". Though this sort of legislation isn't enforceable.

    Take NAT for example. Many have been saying that this bodes ill for network address translation. I submit to you this: NAT is most commonly used in a Local Area Network environment. In large companies it is used over a WAN. In either case, it can be argued that the traffic and the origin of the traffic is well known. Each machine has an IP address and whether it is "translated" or not, the communication orginates from a well known PHYSICAL location. The physical origin of the traffic is well known, therefore the law isn't being violated. Clearly - it is harder to defend against this law if the location and "origin" of the offending machine in question is not well known...

    What is interesting is how they are using the state legislatures (less visible and more malleable) to enact this sort of law. If it was really legit, then why not go the federal route?

    Finally, this sort of law is a golden opporunity for a service provider to provider service that is competely unencumbered by the provisions of this "Uber DCMA". It's only valid if the "commmunications" service provider decides to enforce it.

    My 2 pestas.

  32. Re:Just a show of hands by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who here is going to obey this law if it ever gets passed?

    Unless yor computer is jacked directly into the backbone, you might not have a choice. Whoever supplies your connection will obey, or be forced/fined/jailed out of businesss.

  33. money grab now, MS only service later by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is now merely a law to allow SBC and earthlink to force DSL customers to pay $100 more a month, but it could easily go much further. A simple agreement with MS and the only OS you will be able to connect to ISP is the latest version of Windows, with is custom back door for the government, the only email you will be to use is Outlook, and the only browser you can use is IE, with is special advertiser friendly unclosable windows. Anything else will allow then to knock you off the network. Think about. If they are allowed to specify equipment, anything is possible. For example, currently SBC does not support Linux.

    Of course the entire thing is silly. Banning user NAT might be defensible if the shipped DSL or Cable modems with fully configurable firewalls. If the security situation stays the same, I would want the ISP to be liable for any real and consequential damage done by someone breaking into a connected machine.

    The VPN thing is a bit more arbitrarily. It is not a common or critically necessary, but such a restriction might arbitrarily hurt small businesses.

    The encrypted email is a classic example of the corporation using fear to push unrelated priorities for profit. Like when the airlines were able to force every passenger to show an ID in order to get a boarding pass. What is next? We will not be able to use code when we make a telephone call? We will only be allowed to speak english or one or other two approved languages?

    Such a wide open law screams of a bought and paid for government.

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  34. Add Another State . . . by Dausha · · Score: 2, Informative

    Arkansas State Legislature has also passed a state-DCMA, and it awaits the Governor's signature.

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  35. Im not to worried about the MI law by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Informative

    here are the pertinant texts of the law:


    (1) A person shall not knowingly obtain or attempt to obtain telecommunications service with intent to avoid, attempt to avoid, or cause another person to avoid or attempt to avoid any lawful charge for that telecommunications service by using any of the following:

    (a) A telecommunications access device.

    (b) An unlawful telecommunications access device.

    (c) A fraudulent or deceptive scheme, pretense, method, or conspiracy, or any device or other means, including, but not limited to, any of the following:

    (i) Using a false, altered, or stolen identification.

    (ii) The use of a telecommunications access device to violate this section by a person other than the subscriber or lawful holder of the telecommunications access device under an exchange of anything of value to the subscriber or lawful holder to allow that unlawful use of the telecommunications access device.

    (b) "Telecommunications access device" means any of the following:

    (i) Any instrument, device, card, plate, code, telephone number, account number, personal identification number, electronic serial number, mobile identification number, counterfeit number, or financial transaction device as defined in section 157m that alone or with another device can acquire, transmit, intercept, provide, receive, use, or otherwise facilitate the use, acquisition, interception, provision, reception, and transmission of any telecommunications service.

    (ii) Any type of instrument, device, machine, equipment, technology, or software that facilitates telecommunications or which is capable of transmitting, acquiring, intercepting, decrypting, or receiving any telephonic, electronic, data, internet access, audio, video, microwave, or radio transmissions, signals, telecommunications, or services, including the receipt, acquisition, interception, transmission, retransmission, or decryption of all telecommunications, transmissions, signals, or services provided by or through any cable television, fiber optic, telephone, satellite, microwave, data transmission, radio, internet based or wireless distribution network, system, or facility, or any part, accessory, or component, including any computer circuit, security module, smart card, software, computer chip, pager, cellular telephone, personal communications device, transponder, receiver, modem, electronic mechanism or other component, accessory, or part of any other device that is capable of facilitating the interception, transmission, retransmission, decryption, acquisition, or reception of any telecommunications, transmissions, signals, or services.

    (e) "Unlawful telecommunications access device" means any of the following:

    (i) A telecommunications access device that is false, fraudulent, unlawful, not issued to a legitimate telecommunications access device subscriber account, or otherwise invalid or that is expired, suspended, revoked, canceled, or otherwise terminated if notice of the expiration, suspension, revocation, cancellation, or termination has been sent to the telecommunications access device subscriber.

    (ii) Any phones altered to obtain service without the express authority or actual consent of the telecommunications service provider, a clone telephone, clone microchip, tumbler telephone, tumbler microchip, or wireless scanning device capable of acquiring, intercepting, receiving, or otherwise facilitating the use, acquisition, interception, or receipt of a telecommunications service without the express authority or actual consent of the telecommunications service provider.

    (iii) Any telecommunications access device that has been manufactured, assembled, altered, designed, modified, programmed, or reprogrammed, alone or in conjunction with another device, so as to be capable of facilitating the disruption, acquisition, interception, receipt, transmission, retransmission, or decryption of a telecommunications service without the actual consent or express authorization of th

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  36. Interpretation for the legal jargon impaired. by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Okay... from the article, the following things are forbidden.
    1. Possession, development, distribution or use of any âoecommunication deviceâ in connection with a communication service without the express authorization of the service provider.
    2. Concealing the origin or destination of any communication from the communication service provider.
    3. Possession, development, distribution or use of any âoeunlawful access device.â
    4. Preparation or publication of any âoeplans or instructionsâ for making any device, having reason to know that such a device will be used to violate the other prohibitions.

    All that (1) means is that you can't use a telecommunication service without permission. For example, if you don't have an account with your broadband cable provider, you aren't allowed to be using the internet connection. A literal interpretation of this would mean that it would be illegal to use the service if you do not have an actual account with them even if it is connected to your home and ready to use.

    What (2) means is that you can't pretend to be someone else... for example, making long distance calls from your home and somehow convincing the telecomm company that it was really your next door neighbor. Consider that if the telecomm service company can somehow locate you, then you didn't actually conceal your origins from them in the first place, did you?

    (3) is completely redundant. Possession of any sort of device or equipment that is already outlawed is already illegal.

    (4) As written, this is utterly absurd. Any technology, regardless of its intent, can be used for malicious purposes by nefarious folk. This could apply to devices as simple as a soldering iron (which can be used to wreak all kinds of havok, if you think about it). I believe if this is pointed out to them, then the act's wording would likely be changed to reflect the intent of the device, rather than just how it gets used. As long as the onus is on the prosecution to prove malicious intent (and they can't use the argument that "it *can* be used for bad things", as shown above), this may turn out to be not too bad.

  37. WHY? by dakers27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Pennsylvania, and i had no idea that this had passed here until now, but im not surprised at all. The town I live in has NO crime at all, i leave my car unlocked with the keys in it while i'm at work and don't think twice about it, and alot of people i know NEVER lock their house! But the size of our police force has increased exponentially in the last few years. We have absolutely no need for more than 2 police officers on duty at any given time, the biggest "crime" around here is kids drinking beer. So as a result, the police have nothing to do and pull you over for 59 mph in a 55, or somethign else along those lines. I guess my question is why, when there is no crime do governments (federal/local/state) feel the need to make or enforce ridiculous laws to turn more people into criminals, instead of being happy that there is less violent crime, which is much worse than somebody stealing cable. I havent heard about many laws getting passed lately that have a positive impact on anyone except the people in power. Why doesnt the government put more resources into recycling programs, a better healthcare system, maintaining roads and highways, recognizing people who make positive contributions to their communities, making PC's and internet more accessible to everyone (rural broadband), the list goes on and on. I don't like the direction our country is headed, I dont think I have to explain further (especially on slashdot :P). I really hope that we can stop this sort of thing before it goes too far and we no longer have the power to, after all, it's OUR country. Well, thats my 2 cents, sorry for the rant, I'm waiting on a solaris install :)

  38. What to do? by alizard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What needs to be done in general is a NRA/AARP style high tech end users political advocacy organization to make sure that state and Federal legislators consider our interests before that of Hollywood content providers to make sure this kind of legislation dies in committee before it ever gets a chance to pass.

    What needs to be done specifically in this case is... you know as well as I do that no major IT shop in any affected state can obey all of this law and continue to operate. Gather evidence against state government agencies, Fortune 500 companies, and the cable operators themselves and when there's enough of it, file a taxpayers' suit for the purpose of making the state AGs enforce the law. Evidence will be as close as the e-mail headers from organizations in violation, at least enough for subpoena purposes.

    When state-level elected officials find out that their e-mail, website, and payroll processing for their own paychecks is offline and that their CIO is behind bars, perhaps they'll decide that there are things more important than campaign contributions from Hollywood.

    What will be done?

    A lot of whining by the US online crowd, just like all the other times bad Internet law has come up. EFF and all the other organizations with non-profit status can in general only effectively intervene when a law is in fact unconstitutional. Unfortunately, just because a law is likely to fuck up high-tech industry doesn't make it necessarily unconstitutional.

    I don't think the status of these laws or bills matters all that much anymore. If these laws are taken off the books, the replacement measures will be rewritten in such a way that they will apply only to end users, not to corporations / businesses. . . the barrier to freedom of use will effectively be the ability to afford your own T1 or something like that.

    The only way to make sure that legislation like this doesn't happen is to make sure that the politicians owe us enough favors that they'll ask us before making computer/Net related legislation. The only way to do this is to outbid Hollywood for them. The high-tech community has blown its opportunities to do this, first when doing this was easy, and now when the bad guys have legal momentum on their side. There was a time when a few people willing to spend a few megabucks on getting a political operation capable of becoming a mass-action advocacy and lobbying organization could have easily managed this. Unfortunately, the time to do this was when it was still possible to start a national-level PAC and get the paperwork done required to make it legal to collect money on behalf of candidates soon enough to make it possible to affect the 2004 elections. The window for that closed months ago.

    Face it, game's over, people. Effective political action on our behalf is not going to happen and we might as well face the fact and figure out how we want to deal with this at an individual level.

    The cumulative impact of laws like this simply mean that technology innovation will have to happen outside the USA. If you want to be a technology innovator, figure out where you want to move to and what language you need to learn to function there.

    The best time to join a refugee movement / "brain drain" is before it starts, so you can bitch with the rest of the locals in whatever foriegn country you're in about the cheap high-tech labor coming in from America because by the time people realize en masse that the recovery is happening, but not here, you're established as a local who just happened to be born in America.