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Social Engineering Still Best Way to Crack Security

binaryDigit writes "The Register has an amusing article about a study done in the UK where office workers were asked tricky questions like 'What is your password', and 75% of the respondents answered... They were also asked ethical questions, 'If you found a file with your coworkers salaries, would you look', 75% would, and 38% would pass the information around! Read on to be both amused (esp. the CEO) and scared."

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  1. Let's Test the Theory by Jack+Comics · · Score: 2, Funny

    Free Pilot rolling ball gel pen to the first person who gives me their Slashdot password!

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    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
    1. Re:Let's Test the Theory by RLiegh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Free Pilot rolling ball gel pen to the first person who gives me their Slashdot password!

      It's ********
      Pen, please?
    2. Re:Let's Test the Theory by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Free Pilot rolling ball gel pen to the first person who gives me their Slashdot password!

      It's Frodo.

      Don't worry about sending the pen, I called up your ISP and said I was Bob the field service tech and you were having trouble logging in, would they mind verifying that your password was 'patthebunny', they indicated it must have been changed, I indicated you had tried to change it to 'patthebunny', which hadn't apparently gone through, "maybe the password change object garbled it, what does it show?" With that tidbit I looked into your account and found a cookie with your Visa card number and some email with your home address. I called up Visa and changed the billing address (tip o' the hat to your mom wishing you a happy birthday) A carton should be arriving at the neighbor's (who happens to be away on business, but I have a fake DL with his name on it, thanks to the DMV who never check anything.)

      Whoops! Look at the time. Better get my duds on and stroll into the governors mansion like I belong there. (I need to complete 6 place settings and only have 4 so far.)

      Ta!

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    3. Re:Let's Test the Theory by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cmdr Taco's password is "password". :)

      (I should get two pens for that one. hehe)

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      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
    4. Re:Let's Test the Theory by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 4, Funny

      Man! I thought you wer joking, but I guess Taco is the one with the weird sense of humor.

      One thing though... when I'm logged him as him, I can't see any of the articles. Any suggestions?

    5. Re:Let's Test the Theory by BreakWindows · · Score: 2, Funny

      One thing though... when I'm logged him as him

      You also lost the ability to write. If you start double-posting, we'll officially know the account is haunted.

  2. Naughty by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1, Funny

    Naughty.

    I love the way the register slipped that in on it's own between paragraphs.

  3. How could they tell if someone was lying? by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure, most people might not be smart enough. But I'd have fun with it.

    Guy: "What's your password."
    Me: "My favorite tool. Dickfore."
    Guy: "What's a dick-"
    Me: "Nahahaha!" *scamper off*

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  4. Amusing examples by Arvah · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm in the middle of reading "Hacking Linux Exposed" second edition right now, and am in chapter 4, which deals with social engineering, trojans, and other tricks like that. It has a burch of examples of social engineering tricks. My favorite is this one. (Spelling errors are mine, if any.)

    For example, at one university dormitory, someone placed a big sheet of paper in the lobby, which read as follows:

    Password Contest!

    Want to show your creativity? Want to win a prize? List your campus username and password here we ll be giving out free school football merchandise to the top five most original and witty passwords. Standard UNIX password rules apply no more than eight characters, case sensitive and the password must be verifiable by our judges.

    There wasn't anything indicating who put up the sheet or where the prizes were coming from, yet within a day, more than 50 usernames and passwords were written on the sheet. The accounts were accessed hundreds of times from all over the globe almost instantly.

    It lists a bunch of different categories of social engineering, and typical examples of how a baddie might use them successfully to breach security. Very enlightening.
  5. Security just isn't the focus of a lot of people by eodmightier · · Score: 5, Funny

    Many people in my office will proudly announce what their password is. Infact sometimes they like to have a good laugh about who has the most simple password. A lot of times they'll spit out their password in a room full of clients. I tell ya it is a regular laugh riot

    I turned on strong password authentication when I was promoted.

    Now they just leave the passwords on a post-it-note on their monitor and still share it with everyone else. Lately during the monthly meetings I've been stressing the importance of security.

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    -Eod
  6. in a related study by AssFace · · Score: 2, Funny

    in a related study, engineering isn't necessarily the best way to be social.

    that jerk on the tour that told you chicks dig engineers was a lying bastard.

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    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
  7. what a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    "Read on to be both amused (esp. the CEO) and scared."

    I was neither amused nor scared... can I have my money back now?

  8. Employee Update by chill182 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A potential security flaw has been discovered in Human Employee. Please update all of your employees to Microsoft Android 2.0.

    1. Re:Employee Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would, but the damned things just keep following me around the office demanding to be registered over and over again.

  9. Now that chrisd is gone ... by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a great idea for the next Slashdot poll. Here we go ...

    My computer password is:
    - 12345
    - jennajameson
    - password
    - Other, type here: _____________
    - cowboyneal

  10. How many people gave fake answers? by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 2, Funny
    I have no doubt that social engineering works. I've seen it work. At the same time, I have questions about this survey. How do they know that people told them their real passwords? I'm sure many people did. But I'm also sure other people just made stuff up for the free prize. I would.

    When I was in college, Sears was giving away cups if you applied for a credit card. My friends and I must have applied for 50 of them. Yes, my name is Hugh Ugly. And I live at 314 Pi Street.

  11. Re:My password? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    1-2-3-4-5 ???

  12. There has to be some minimal standard ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Funny
    before referring to something as social engineering. Asking seems more to qualify as "fallen/low fruit harvesting". I mean, did they at least put on fake mustaches? Hold official looking clipboards? Take notes while going "Hmmmmm"?

  13. Re:Salaries? by RabidOverYou · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the word you're looking for is 'pathetic'.

  14. The Pen Thing is an Economic Indicator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nine in ten (90 per cent) of office workers at London's Waterloo Station gave away their computer password for a cheap pen, compared with 65 per cent last year.

    The free pen index is not a security index, but correlates inversely with security of the supply closet which is proportional to the current economic condition.

  15. Re:Social Engineering Still Best Way to Get Free P by Genrou · · Score: 2, Funny
    I'd just make something up and collect the pen.

    Thinking: "Don't say Homer, don't say Homer."

    Saying: "Homer!"

  16. The best password I've ever used by jhines · · Score: 3, Funny

    was "none", which even after telling people, they still would have have problems getting into the account, not thinking literally.

  17. Re:Security just isn't the focus of a lot of peopl by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Funny
    Now they just leave the passwords on a post-it-note on their monitor and still share it with everyone else.

    Sounds like they need to have a "Hey, Asshole!" note e-mailed to the boss from their account. Then let them try to figure out which of their trusted co-workers sent it.

    A little paranoia would work wonders here.

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    "Math in a song is good."-Linford
  18. My password is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sure, I'll bite. My slashdot password is "vIcNRc++j2". Now you only have ~640,000 slashdot user id's to try and see who I am, since I'm posting AC. Hope you have some programming skills. I'll change my password tonight at 8pm CST, you have until then.

    1. Re:My password is by nybble_me · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm trying to reach you to give you your free pen. What was your Slashdot user id again?

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      reenigne
  19. Re:gave up passwds in what context? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, 'Anonymous Coward'... As you can see, I am now using your password to access your /. account!!!

    Now that I have your password, I am going to use your account to post as many trolls as I possibly can, bringing your karma down as far as possible!

  20. Typical Newbie.. by mlerner · · Score: 2, Funny

    'Please enter a new password'

    Penis

    'Password too short'

  21. Re:my password... by 2short · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, I once had an account somewhere that wanted a max 6 charachters password. I mean really, is password storage overwhelming their memory capacity or what?

    On the other hand, after the account was gone, I decided I liked the sound of the password, so at least I got a new nick out of it.

    cheers,
    2short

  22. That's not bad math ... It's NEW math :) by smoyer · · Score: 2, Funny

    The subject says it all!

  23. Re:my password... by Shadestalker · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bad news is, BankOne will be contacting you shortly about the above violation of the DMCA by exposing and discussing the vulnerability.

  24. Free Karma? by CodeHog · · Score: 3, Funny

    If I give out my password do I get Karma points on /.?

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    Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
  25. Well, here in Canada... by RobinH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thanks to Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine, everyone now knows that up here in Canada, we don't even bother to lock our doors (unless we live in a border town).

    I might as well also mention that we don't use passwords either. We don't really worry too much about crackers - most of them are just bored kids with nothing better to do.

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    "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
  26. Password anecdote by f97tosc · · Score: 4, Funny

    In my engineering school there was this story about a guy in the CS department who had been "living" in front of one of the workstations for years.

    On one occasion, he was helping some newbie with something; and he allowed the guy to log into his account. Naively, the newbie asked for the password across the room; everyone else in the computer center listened up expecting a refusal.

    But instead, this CS guy just started to tell his password "j3Y9_fg..." loudly; the newbie started to type. But the password just kept comming; it was up towards 50 completely random characters long!

    It turned out that the system insisted on a changed password every month; but the default selection was the old password. Rather than coming up with something new every month, this guy had just added one more character every time. Of course, it is not too hard to memorize one more character per month month either.

    Tor

  27. Favourite password by richie2000 · · Score: 3, Funny
    'notobviuous'. UUNet had that as the password needed to access the UUCP modem box. You needed a 'real' login/password combo to actually access the server behind it, but this one just cracked me up everytime I saw it. I imagined a PHB telling a tech to come up with a password that wasn't obvious and he cheerfully complied. :-)

    Other good ones are 'obscure' and 'secret', always fun if someone asks you for the password.

    -What's your password?
    -It's obscure.
    -Good, but what is it?
    -I told you, it's obscure.
    -OK, let's start at the top, what's your login?
    -It's secret. No, really! No, not the comfy chair!

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    1. Re:Favourite password by Darth+RadaR · · Score: 3, Funny

      -What's your password?
      -It's obscure.
      -Good, but what is it?
      -I told you, it's obscure.
      -OK, let's start at the top, what's your login?
      -It's secret. No, really! No, not the comfy chair!


      I did a few similar things with root passwds on development boxen. My two favourites are 'no' and 'not today'. ;)

      I heard about a SysAdmin who wanted to change the pass-phrase[0] for their alarm system to "How should I know? I'm just trying to rob the place."

      [0] The phrase you give the operator from the alarm company when they call after the alarm's gone off.

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      /*drunk.. fix later*/
  28. forget the password by happy+monday · · Score: 2, Funny

    i have three passwords to remember at work. maybe four, i can't remember. but i have to change at least 3 of them every month. man, my memory just ain't that good. sometimes i can't even remember the fact that i have changed a password, let alone remember what the word is. and the door to my office has a digital lock, nevertheless anytime anybody knocks they are let in with no questions asked.

  29. Re:Security just isn't the focus of a lot of peopl by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ah, you don't need a password to do that.. But to make all the headers perfect, do it from their workstation, or at least don't do it from yours. :)

    ------------------
    > telnet smtp.yourcorp.com 25
    helo yourcorp.com
    mail from: victim@yourcorp.com
    rcpt to: ceo@yourcorp.com
    data
    Cc: supervisor@yourcorp.com
    Bcc: victim@yourcorp.com
    Subject: Asshole!

    Hey asshole,

    I'd just like to remind you that you really suck donkey dong! I'd tell you to go screw yourself, but it seems the VP is already in "the position".

    P.S., don't go home early tonight, I'll be there banging your wife and daugher.

    Love,

    victim

    .

    quit
    ------------------

    Sometimes they call me a troublemaker. I don't know why. :)

    Back in the day, I used to do this for personal entertainment, but it wasn't anything rude like this. I'd do messages from Bill Gates offering jobs and crap like that. One guy almost quit and went to Microsoft, til he saw me laughing my ass off when he was showing everyone in the office the printed Email.

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    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  30. Re:Social Engineering is all but unstoppable by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Funny

    I should add that the correct response by a user, when asked 'tell me your password', is to reply 'Simon didn't say!'.

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    -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  31. Corporate security by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Funny

    The place I work for used to have no passwords, meaning that any time an employee was asked to login, they just had to type their login name and hit enter. Not only that, but they were all running windows 2000 with administrative shares enabled, and every user was a member of the "domain admins" group. Anyone sitting at any computer in the company had full read/write access to every computer in the office, with no need to break any logins. In addition, none of them ever installed patches on their systems. Any time they opened an infected email attachment, which happened really quite often, especially at the CEO level, the virus would often spread to all the computers, and the network admin, who was actually just a shipping manager who had some computer experience, would have to clean all the computers again and sometimes restore them from previous backups.

    They're doing much better now, but they still have a long way to go. Many of them still don't use passwords, and the rest use very predictable ones, but enforcing sound security practices is not in my job description.

    At least there's the double firewalls, one in the office and one at the isp. There's also the frequent backups. They keep tape backups for the last 5 days and 1 tape goes to offsite storage every week. In addition, I took the liberty of writing a program to backup all the changes to the databases 3 times a day, so that they can be restored to any point in the last 8 months. If I can't force them to be secure, at least I can protect their data and patch any really major holes, like disabling the administrative shares.

  32. Re:Social engineering vs. Common Passwords. by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, the top passwords are LOVE, SEX, SECRET, and GOD.