So this security...it happens through obscurity? Fascinating! I find this intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your monthly cryptogram, Mr. Schneier.
When I talk to the people that use my site, on the other hand, I find that at least a good number of them like the "ooh, shiney" parts of the web.
Well, sure. Even as a CLI geek, I'll admit I've seen some decent-looking flash animations...however, they weren't necessary. They looked nice, but given the choice, I would've removed them.
Your visitors dig the way they look, but will they still come back if the flashy shit's not there? Probably. On the other hand, will the persons who hate having to deal with plugins and useless excess come back just to jump through hoops or waste bandwidth? Probably not.
One final note, mostly unrelated to the parent post: A lot of people in these discussions usually miss the point that there's more to site creation than Shockwave/Flash/Java vs. Black text on white pages. You can design a very cool looking site to present your content, while still acknowledging the fact that the web is supposed to be accessible by different machines and different people.
Right, the legend of a character we view as being "heroic". What's your point?
Morals are not "set by the population".
Then, how are they set? Why do different nations, states, cities and communities have differing morals? Sounds to me that while it isn't necessarily spoken, the morality is set by the community (or, the population).
Taxes have nothing to do with theft.
They're taking my money without my consent. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.
It's wrong for women to feel offended if someone says "his", but it's equally fucking stupid for you to be offended that someone wrote "her".
If it's no big deal, why did you feel the need to post? There's nothing politically correct about using the feminine gender, just as their is nothing politically incorrect about male gender. The poster didn't make any sort of political statement, and (ironically enough) it wouldn't have occured to anyone if you hadn't pointed out that, proper English be damned, the male gender is the one you prefer.
So, take some solace, friend: you're both morons.
Incidentally, I'll agree that the PC and Solaris just shouldn't go together.
1) "robust" support system? Wait a minute; Inappropriate use of the word robust...that's marketing-geek-speak! He's a secret Microsoft spy, seize him!!
2) Businesses have in-house support. Yes, some small businesses just hire reboot-monkeys to call Microsoft tech support and wait on hold for a few hours, but most places would prefer to write one check instead of two.
Enter the power of Free software...with more of an understanding of how the software actually works, the in-house support folk won't need to ask anyone as often. If they do, they can email the guy who wrote it.;)
Bad analogy. A howitzer would be a supremely effective way to remove an ant pile.
You and I have startling differences of opinion on what is or isn't "effective". I define "ineffective" as that moment before you look at the smokey ash of your former home, next to the ant's former pile and say, "Whoops!"
My real point is.. don't worry about the prospect of the added trash these DVDs MIGHT create.. why not worry about all the trash we are already creating with all of our other disposable goods.
It's much easier to shoot down a new idea than to reverse the habits people already have. It's also easier to put pressure on a company trying a new and risky idea, than to pressure a corp like AOL into not marketing.
I say do both....reduce your current usage of stupid, disposable nonsense AND stop things like this before they start.
> > Buy fewer products with microchips in them.
> Stop buying things with chips in them.
No, buy fewer things with chips in them. Our problem is not that technology exists, it is the overuse and abuse of the latest trend. The original point was not unreasonable.
> No more TV, VCR, DVD player.
> No more stereo.
Fine. I have one computer that handles the functions of watching movies and listening to music. For that matter, tack in "no more game console, no more calculator". This goes back to the original point of "don't be a putz and buy a dozen devices where one will suffice".
> No more hearing aids and pacemakers.
If that's what you choose, feel free. Keep in mind, you're the one who brought up the complete boycott...the original post said reduce, not eliminate.
We are God's work as well. If He did not want us to do this, he should not have made us capable.
Well, that's wildly inaccurate against every major religion I've studied (though I don't practice any). Generally, we'd view this the same as nuclear bombs....God giving us the ability to do this, and hoping we're not stupid enough to actually do it. Give us the option to make a moral choice, and see if we make it. It's a lot easier to thin out the herd of people going to heaven if you let them avoid it when it's their time to go.;)
That's assuming He exists, but we'll stay away from that argument for today.
Well, "god" does exist, it's just up to the individual to decide whether or not it's some guy sitting on a cloud, making a list of who's naughty or nice.
Also, I don't think you can describe a pig as perfect. They do, as you mentioned earlier, roll around in their own feces.
That's only something that is imperfect to humans. It isn't harmful to a pig, and actually provides benefit to them. For a pig, that is perfect.
1,000,000 CD's is such an abundance that it will really piss off the multinational corporation...but this jackass has a nice, convenient place to store them in the meantime? Does he realize he has to have the million CD's sitting around annoying him, before giving them back to the company who is going to send them back out to us?
What about a vote of "No confidence", which would be a vote of "I dislike and can't trust any of these jackasses". If "no confidence" wins, we have to rerun the election, until someone we actually want gets the job.
Agent RIAA: We've been watching you Mr. Fanning, and we're willing to wipe the slate clean in exchange for your cooperation in bringing every known college student to justice. Fanning: *flips hair* Woah. How 'bout I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call? Agent RIAA: Mr Fanning, we're in bed with Inifity and Clearchannel, as well as every major television station. What good will that phone call do, when you don't have a voice?
In keeping with your DNS analogy, wouldn't making a distributed system just mean my password and credit card information are now on thousands of servers instead of one? The whole point of DNS's distributed structure is making the information accessible, quickly, to as many people as possible.
I haven't tried yet to see if you can't ssh into the box
Although that f**ks over all the other users that happen to be sshed into that box at that time.
YHBT
There are powerful scripting tools available for the Windows platform.
I really hope you don't mean WSH. It's awful, completely awful. Steering clear of personal preference, it does not compare to a UNIX shell script at all, for the simple fact it doesn't have full control over the system...there are too many aspects of Windows that are completely graphical, thus needed to be hacked around instead of just done. Windows may have some advantages, but their attempts at allowing decent administration on the server-level are as completely lame as Gnome shipping with a "Redmond" theme.
In other words, some dufus has the balls to take this to court, but doesn't have the balls to just maintain silence? Or how about saying the Pledge and just not moving your mouth as everyone says "under God"--that way you aren't even really protesting and your conscience is clear.
I'm guessing you live in NYC or Los Angeles. Try being the kid who refused to praise god at Columbine High* in Littleton, CO. Or the kid who "hates Jesus Christ"* (because he chooses not to praise the same god) in a small school on the Bible belt. When a 300 pound offensive lineman whose dad is a preacher* is kicking the piss out of you for "worshipping the devel or some shit"*, you can hold your head up high with pride as he stomps on it...for you, are not a dufus.
It's not so much that the word "god" is offensive, it is the implication of schools inadvertantly forcing children to at least pretend to believe.
On a personal note, I'm glad to see it go. There was always something so creepy about "pledging allegience to a flag". Why would a flag get my allegience? Why do I need to cover my heart and stare at a piece of cloth and pledge my undying devotion to it? Too many people take things too literally and actually got caught up in that first line, to the point of ignoring the rest ("and to the republic for which it stands", but would seconds later claim we're strictly a democracy).
* -according to reports at Columbine in that fateful year, the noted phrases above were true.
Then we'll have something to compete with Microsoft.
I agree, but it's not a good thing.
1) Why compete with Microsoft, when you should be aiming to blow them out of the water (aiming, not necessarily doing).
2)The Microsoft way is some corporation deciding what is best for you. No, it is some corporation deciding what would cater to the lowest rung of the userbase. The GNU/Linux way is giving everyone their choice, which they can base on their skill level or personal ideas of what is "good".
I can sum it up easily: "one MP3 player (XMMS)". What? XMMS is garbage! Try Noatun, since you already have KDE...you'll never look back. Or maybe you will, but I don't. Unless United Linux comes to my place and asks what apps I want in a distribution, I don't want them only bundling one of each type of app.
If they're defaulting to KDE or Gnome, it isn't difficult to find a way to do what you want. In Windows, it is Programs=>Huge list of all your programs , which can be confusing (or annoying). In KDE or Gnome, it is Multimedia=>Multimedia apps, Office=>Office Apps, Internet=>Internet Apps, etc. Just keeping things like this is a far better approach than just leaving out what I might think is really good.
Not sure how these people can accurately say their fanbase is the "techie crowd", but I'm sure he's correct in saying the hackers are to blame. These damn kids are downloading and trading the albums instead of buying truly brilliant and inspiring art, often (in Moby's case) the best album by the best musician ever. For evidence, look at some other things that did poorly, that were marketed to the techie crowd:
So please, everyone, stop the filesharing! If you want the artists to continue making music and movies of this quality they need to be paid now, or else the quality might change...and that would be terrible!;)
And as I expected, my previous post was moderated down. Does anyone honestly believe that occurred because it really didn't rate, and not because some leftists will use moderator points to bash any posting that calls attention to left-wing political bias or propaganda?
You almost had a point until you cried conspiracy just because people disagree with you, especially since your original post was just screaming "left wing radicals" at a joke website and really had no merit and contributed nothing to the discussion. How is a rant about the damn leftists who run that website differant than the trolls complaining about "the Jews who run Hollywood", in a movie review? Very typical Ayn Rand fan;)
But, since you made an intelligent reply I respect your opinion, though I do disagree with a basic point of it. When dealing with a "psycho", it is not advisable to get them to continue on their same selfish path, with a financial goal. For years, the practice has been to get them to value more than just material and primal needs...convince them life has value, spirituality or religion or just seeing the big picture of life are more important, we're all gentle and unique snowflakes, blahblahblah.
Say what you will about Objectivism, but it has never been the goal of any intelligent psychiatrist to promote the construction of maniacal tendencies into financial pursuits...it has always led to the complete opposite of Objectivism, where materialism and strictly work-related goals are supposed to consume, and more towards concentrating on figuring out who they are and what they want as an individual. Objectivism assumes everyone wants the same thing; that's the last thing you want to tell a guy at the end of his rope.
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So this security...it happens through obscurity? Fascinating! I find this intriguing, and I wish to subscribe to your monthly cryptogram, Mr. Schneier.
One thing though... when I'm logged him as him
You also lost the ability to write. If you start double-posting, we'll officially know the account is haunted.
When I talk to the people that use my site, on the other hand, I find that at least a good number of them like the "ooh, shiney" parts of the web.
Well, sure. Even as a CLI geek, I'll admit I've seen some decent-looking flash animations...however, they weren't necessary. They looked nice, but given the choice, I would've removed them.
Your visitors dig the way they look, but will they still come back if the flashy shit's not there? Probably. On the other hand, will the persons who hate having to deal with plugins and useless excess come back just to jump through hoops or waste bandwidth? Probably not.
One final note, mostly unrelated to the parent post: A lot of people in these discussions usually miss the point that there's more to site creation than Shockwave/Flash/Java vs. Black text on white pages. You can design a very cool looking site to present your content, while still acknowledging the fact that the web is supposed to be accessible by different machines and different people.
your server farm is a well oiled machine
Pretty weak-ass server farm, if you ask me..
Robin Hood wasn't real; it's a legend.
Right, the legend of a character we view as being "heroic". What's your point?
Morals are not "set by the population".
Then, how are they set? Why do different nations, states, cities and communities have differing morals? Sounds to me that while it isn't necessarily spoken, the morality is set by the community (or, the population).
Taxes have nothing to do with theft.
They're taking my money without my consent. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.
It's wrong for women to feel offended if someone says "his", but it's equally fucking stupid for you to be offended that someone wrote "her".
If it's no big deal, why did you feel the need to post? There's nothing politically correct about using the feminine gender, just as their is nothing politically incorrect about male gender. The poster didn't make any sort of political statement, and (ironically enough) it wouldn't have occured to anyone if you hadn't pointed out that, proper English be damned, the male gender is the one you prefer.
So, take some solace, friend: you're both morons.
Incidentally, I'll agree that the PC and Solaris just shouldn't go together.
2 things:
;)
1) "robust" support system? Wait a minute; Inappropriate use of the word robust...that's marketing-geek-speak! He's a secret Microsoft spy, seize him!!
2) Businesses have in-house support. Yes, some small businesses just hire reboot-monkeys to call Microsoft tech support and wait on hold for a few hours, but most places would prefer to write one check instead of two.
Enter the power of Free software...with more of an understanding of how the software actually works, the in-house support folk won't need to ask anyone as often. If they do, they can email the guy who wrote it.
Bad analogy. A howitzer would be a supremely effective way to remove an ant pile.
You and I have startling differences of opinion on what is or isn't "effective". I define "ineffective" as that moment before you look at the smokey ash of your former home, next to the ant's former pile and say, "Whoops!"
My real point is.. don't worry about the prospect of the added trash these DVDs MIGHT create.. why not worry about all the trash we are already creating with all of our other disposable goods.
It's much easier to shoot down a new idea than to reverse the habits people already have. It's also easier to put pressure on a company trying a new and risky idea, than to pressure a corp like AOL into not marketing.
I say do both....reduce your current usage of stupid, disposable nonsense AND stop things like this before they start.
Better yet, what true UNIX admin would be caught dead in a room full of x86 and Mackertosh, without some form of blunt weapon? *shudder*
How did this get modded "insightful"..?
> > Buy fewer products with microchips in them.
> Stop buying things with chips in them.
No, buy fewer things with chips in them. Our problem is not that technology exists, it is the overuse and abuse of the latest trend. The original point was not unreasonable.
> No more TV, VCR, DVD player.
> No more stereo.
Fine. I have one computer that handles the functions of watching movies and listening to music. For that matter, tack in "no more game console, no more calculator". This goes back to the original point of "don't be a putz and buy a dozen devices where one will suffice".
> No more hearing aids and pacemakers.
If that's what you choose, feel free. Keep in mind, you're the one who brought up the complete boycott...the original post said reduce, not eliminate.
We are God's work as well. If He did not want us to do this, he should not have made us capable.
;)
Well, that's wildly inaccurate against every major religion I've studied (though I don't practice any). Generally, we'd view this the same as nuclear bombs....God giving us the ability to do this, and hoping we're not stupid enough to actually do it. Give us the option to make a moral choice, and see if we make it. It's a lot easier to thin out the herd of people going to heaven if you let them avoid it when it's their time to go.
That's assuming He exists, but we'll stay away from that argument for today.
Well, "god" does exist, it's just up to the individual to decide whether or not it's some guy sitting on a cloud, making a list of who's naughty or nice.
Also, I don't think you can describe a pig as perfect. They do, as you mentioned earlier, roll around in their own feces.
That's only something that is imperfect to humans. It isn't harmful to a pig, and actually provides benefit to them. For a pig, that is perfect.
> Forth will rise again
:)
ITYM "again will rise Forth"
Yoda You Like Are If FORTH Understand You Will Then
1,000,000 CD's is such an abundance that it will really piss off the multinational corporation...but this jackass has a nice, convenient place to store them in the meantime? Does he realize he has to have the million CD's sitting around annoying him, before giving them back to the company who is going to send them back out to us?
Jackass..
> Linux: I'm a super-sexy, super-genious
:)
OS/2: I have, no spell-checker, nor clue, of where to place, commas-and-hyphens.
What about a vote of "No confidence", which would be a vote of "I dislike and can't trust any of these jackasses". If "no confidence" wins, we have to rerun the election, until someone we actually want gets the job.
Seems a little better than the current system.
Agent RIAA: We've been watching you Mr. Fanning, and we're willing to wipe the slate clean in exchange for your cooperation in bringing every known college student to justice.
Fanning: *flips hair* Woah. How 'bout I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call?
Agent RIAA: Mr Fanning, we're in bed with Inifity and Clearchannel, as well as every major television station. What good will that phone call do, when you don't have a voice?
In keeping with your DNS analogy, wouldn't making a distributed system just mean my password and credit card information are now on thousands of servers instead of one? The whole point of DNS's distributed structure is making the information accessible, quickly, to as many people as possible.
:)
Thanks, but no thanks
Do advertisers still pay for banner ads? Are banner ads, effective?
WELCOME TO FIVE YEARS AGO.
I haven't tried yet to see if you can't ssh into the box
Although that f**ks over all the other users that happen to be sshed into that box at that time.
YHBT
There are powerful scripting tools available for the Windows platform.
I really hope you don't mean WSH. It's awful, completely awful. Steering clear of personal preference, it does not compare to a UNIX shell script at all, for the simple fact it doesn't have full control over the system...there are too many aspects of Windows that are completely graphical, thus needed to be hacked around instead of just done. Windows may have some advantages, but their attempts at allowing decent administration on the server-level are as completely lame as Gnome shipping with a "Redmond" theme.
In other words, some dufus has the balls to take this to court, but doesn't have the balls to just maintain silence? Or how about saying the Pledge and just not moving your mouth as everyone says "under God"--that way you aren't even really protesting and your conscience is clear.
I'm guessing you live in NYC or Los Angeles. Try being the kid who refused to praise god at Columbine High* in Littleton, CO. Or the kid who "hates Jesus Christ"* (because he chooses not to praise the same god) in a small school on the Bible belt. When a 300 pound offensive lineman whose dad is a preacher* is kicking the piss out of you for "worshipping the devel or some shit"*, you can hold your head up high with pride as he stomps on it...for you, are not a dufus.
It's not so much that the word "god" is offensive, it is the implication of schools inadvertantly forcing children to at least pretend to believe.
On a personal note, I'm glad to see it go. There was always something so creepy about "pledging allegience to a flag". Why would a flag get my allegience? Why do I need to cover my heart and stare at a piece of cloth and pledge my undying devotion to it? Too many people take things too literally and actually got caught up in that first line, to the point of ignoring the rest ("and to the republic for which it stands", but would seconds later claim we're strictly a democracy).
* -according to reports at Columbine in that fateful year, the noted phrases above were true.
Then we'll have something to compete with Microsoft.
I agree, but it's not a good thing.
1) Why compete with Microsoft, when you should be aiming to blow them out of the water (aiming, not necessarily doing).
2)The Microsoft way is some corporation deciding what is best for you. No, it is some corporation deciding what would cater to the lowest rung of the userbase. The GNU/Linux way is giving everyone their choice, which they can base on their skill level or personal ideas of what is "good".
I can sum it up easily: "one MP3 player (XMMS)". What? XMMS is garbage! Try Noatun, since you already have KDE...you'll never look back. Or maybe you will, but I don't. Unless United Linux comes to my place and asks what apps I want in a distribution, I don't want them only bundling one of each type of app.
If they're defaulting to KDE or Gnome, it isn't difficult to find a way to do what you want. In Windows, it is Programs=>Huge list of all your programs , which can be confusing (or annoying). In KDE or Gnome, it is Multimedia=>Multimedia apps, Office=>Office Apps, Internet=>Internet Apps, etc. Just keeping things like this is a far better approach than just leaving out what I might think is really good.
Battlefield Earth - the finest film of all time
Waterworld - second finest film of all time
Art Garfunkel's solo career
Joe Pesci Sings
;)
So please, everyone, stop the filesharing! If you want the artists to continue making music and movies of this quality they need to be paid now, or else the quality might change...and that would be terrible!
And the government has been monitoring this channel. 2000 counts of scrolling:
CAN I GET OP STATUS 4 THIS ROOM PLZ
will be brought against you tomorrow. Whips have been delivered unto members of the ministry of homeland security! It shall be brutal and cloaked.
And as I expected, my previous post was moderated down. Does anyone honestly believe that occurred because it really didn't rate, and not because some leftists will use moderator points to bash any posting that calls attention to left-wing political bias or propaganda?
;)
You almost had a point until you cried conspiracy just because people disagree with you, especially since your original post was just screaming "left wing radicals" at a joke website and really had no merit and contributed nothing to the discussion. How is a rant about the damn leftists who run that website differant than the trolls complaining about "the Jews who run Hollywood", in a movie review? Very typical Ayn Rand fan
But, since you made an intelligent reply I respect your opinion, though I do disagree with a basic point of it. When dealing with a "psycho", it is not advisable to get them to continue on their same selfish path, with a financial goal. For years, the practice has been to get them to value more than just material and primal needs...convince them life has value, spirituality or religion or just seeing the big picture of life are more important, we're all gentle and unique snowflakes, blahblahblah.
Say what you will about Objectivism, but it has never been the goal of any intelligent psychiatrist to promote the construction of maniacal tendencies into financial pursuits...it has always led to the complete opposite of Objectivism, where materialism and strictly work-related goals are supposed to consume, and more towards concentrating on figuring out who they are and what they want as an individual. Objectivism assumes everyone wants the same thing; that's the last thing you want to tell a guy at the end of his rope.