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The Rutan SpaceShipOne Revealed

smartalix writes "Burt Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, announced that they have been developing a commercial manned space program in secret for the past two years. The system consists of a carrier vehicle called the White Knight and a piggyback (actually underslung) orbital spaceplane called SpaceShipOne. My money is on this effort capturing the X Prize." Well, it's pretty, whatever it is. Space.com has a story with pictures for those of you who weren't quick enough to hit scaled.com before it melted.

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  1. Whahhh? by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Mom, what is that duck doing to that other duck?!!"

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  2. Hmm by bravehamster · · Score: 2, Funny
    Maybe they can use the XPrize money to replace their webserver. Anyone got any mirrors?

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    1. Re:Hmm by mr_compsci · · Score: 3, Informative

      I managed to mirror most of the site.. the mirror will stay up until you guys destroy my web server... http://www.happyfunland.org/spaceshipone/projects/ tierone/

    2. Re:Hmm by mr_compsci · · Score: 2, Informative

      of course, take out the extra space in that url and it'll work better... http://www.happyfunland.org/spaceshipone/projects/ tierone/

  3. Watch out for the patents by menasius · · Score: 3, Funny

    This just in. The government is sueing after patenting using "One" after vehicles, thus meaning SpaceShipOne is reserved for the President.

    -bort

    1. Re:Watch out for the patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he's taking public transportation, it's called Short Bus One.

    2. Re:Watch out for the patents by tinrobot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Riding a boat - Navy One

      Riding a Plane - Air Force One

      Hmmmm... I guess by this logic, it would be "Laura Bush One" when he's riding... ummm... well... nevermind.

  4. In space... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...nobody can hear your webserver scream.

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  5. Oh, I get it.... by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it's a stealth plane. Forget radar invisible, we can't even SEE this puppy.

    Damn, Burt Rutan is a genius.....

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  6. Re:Beam me up SCOTTY! by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Funny

    Same thing :)

    And to all those folks who say it's an "ugly aircraft", they need to remember that it's a *spacecraft*. And it's actually *two* craft.

    Although I think the paintjob is ugly. Paint a red maple leaf on it or something, it would look way better.

  7. In Secret? by ItWasThem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What surprises me is that they went for 2 years developing this project "in secret"... why would they want to do that? It's neat to see that they've already done some rocket testing and all, but why announce now after two years when they don't even have a full scale version done? What did they get by waiting to announce?

    I could understand the secrecy if they wanted to develop the whole thing first to avoid the vaporware critiques, and then bam they come out with a ready-to-use orbiter, man that'd be sweet huh? But why announce in the middle of it? Need funding? Sick of keeping it quiet? Poor planning? Any ideas?

    1. Re:In Secret? by foolish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you miss the fact these ARE full scale?

      Essentially Rutan is going 'Look at what I built, we're going to launch this for the X-Prize and none of you can HOPE to catch up'

      The only things they have left are flight tests with the rocket suite. The White Knight is working and has flown some test flights... It's the SS1 that need some flight time before the X-Prize attempt.

      It'll be interesting to see what XCor does in response to this.

    2. Re:In Secret? by peacefinder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I imagine that they have gone public now because they're ready to go public. It sounds like they've done everything they can reasonably do in private.

      Probably they have reached the stage of testing where the tests can't be hidden anymore. When they send piggyback aircraft up and start separation tests, it's going to be pretty obvious what they're working on.

      He also makes it clear in the space.com article that he is not looking for funding.

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    3. Re:In Secret? by The_K4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, if they are ready to test the orbiter (which it sounds like they are) they need to get more FAA approvals for that. They can tests airplanes without really cataching any attention. The instant they apply to tests an orbiter it'll be all over the news.

    4. Re:In Secret? by Moofie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You didn't even make a cursory inspection of the article, did you? Neither did your bone-head mods.

      The man said that this was "flight hardware". That means it's the actual vehicle that is going to do the mission.

      He said he wasn't soliciting money.

      It's still undergoing flight tests, but they're full-up hardware in the loop tests. Rutan is not going to make an X-Prize attempt before he's actually done it successfully more than once outside the scrutiny of the public (and the judges).

      It's a PR stunt, yes...but for somebody who actually knows something about things that go up in the air (that'd be me) it's pretty fucking impressive.

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    5. Re:In Secret? by Just+Another+Perl+Ha · · Score: 2, Informative
      ...Rosarian would be proud.

      If you're talking about the character from Heller's Catch-22, then I believe his name was "Yossarian".

    6. Re:In Secret? by teslatug · · Score: 2, Funny

      They didn't want Carmack after their ass with an RPG trying to get their rocket fuel.

    7. Re:In Secret? by netringer · · Score: 2, Informative
      What surprises me is that they went for 2 years developing this project "in secret"... why would they want to do that? It's neat to see that they've already done some rocket testing and all, but why announce now after two years when they don't even have a full scale version done? What did they get by waiting to announce?
      1 - Because the X-pize is a competition2 - The X-prize didn't have the $10 million for the prize until recently.

      It wasn't that much of a secret. Rutan let it be known that the long-flying Proteus was (the prototype of) the launch vehicle. They are also two full scale aircraft. One has been flying already.

      I could understand the secrecy if they wanted to develop the whole thing first to avoid the vaporware critiques, and then bam they come out with a ready-to-use orbiter, man that'd be sweet huh? But why announce in the middle of it? Need funding? Sick of keeping it quiet? Poor planning? Any ideas?
      Yeah, that's it. The article also says they don't need or want outside funding, but to know that and the above you would have had to have read the article.
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  8. A rutan? Dr Who was real! by Jim+Hall · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aha! Finally, it is revealed that the rutan landing at Fang Rock, from Dr Who, was in fact real event! The truth can come out.

  9. The design shows some imagination by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing I like about Rutan designs is that they show some imagination. They don't look like everybody elses design. And this spacecraft design is no different. It reminds me of those futuristic designs in magazines of the 40s and 50s. Very off the wall.

    1. Re:The design shows some imagination by silentbozo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True, there's a retro-future feeling that combines the organic styling of the present with the rocket designs of the late 50's and 60's. Ironic that a basic design first proposed by private enterprise for the government (a manned booster/spaceplane competitor/forerunner of the US shuttle system), needed to wait for half a century before it could be built - not by government, but by private enterprise.

      Tom Swift would no doubt be proud of the resumption of US (and other world) efforts to open up space to everyman.

  10. Picture of SpaceShipOne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only one measly picture, but better than nothing for the impatient..

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=80 5

  11. And the FAQ: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Frequently Asked Questions

    VISION
    What does Burt Rutan think of the other X-Prize designs?
    Burt prefers to discuss this only after the X-Prize is won.

    How long has Burt been working on all this?
    The concept dates back to April 1996. Design work and some limited testing was started 3.5 years ago. The full development program began in May 2001.

    What's going to be next in Burt's bag of tricks?
    Scaled has completed 34 manned research aircraft and none were announced until they were ready to fly.

    BUSINESS
    How much does it all cost?
    This is generally not known until the program is complete, but projections place it close to a Soyuz ride.

    How much will it cost to get a ride into space?
    Rides will not be offered in SpaceShipOne. The price of a ride will have to take in consideration the cost of certification and establishing an airliner-like operation. One goal of this research program is to see how low it might be without the burden of regulatory costs. At program completion we will have good data for operational costs and may publish them.

    Is it physically stressful?
    It is expected to be on the order of some modern theme park rides. The highest forces occur during reentry but build up gradually and peak near 6 G's for less than 10 seconds. With the pilot and passengers reclined, these forces should be quite tolerable for anyone in reasonable health.

    Is Burt Rutan going to ride in the vehicle?
    Yes, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

    WHITE KNIGHT
    Why did the first flight last only 2 minutes?
    The airplane had outboard spoilers on the wings to help improve roll control in the event of gusty cross wind landings. They were pneumatically actuated (using the same tanks, valves and fittings as the RCS system on SpaceShipOne) and returned to recesses in the wings by springs. On the first flight, the low air pressure, at rotation was sufficient to "suck" the spoilers out which killed the lift and caused the return springs to slam them closed. Four of these surfaces chattering out on the wingtips during the climb out produced significant airframe vibrations and the pilot elected to turn downwind and land immediately rather than aggravate the condition any longer than necessary.

    How can you see where you're going?
    The visibility is actually much better than you might imagine. By moving your head slightly you can piece together an acceptable picture of the outside world and maintain adequate "situational awareness". What is more difficult is spotting other airborne traffic. However, between radar advisories from ground controllers and an onboard traffic alert system called "Skywatch," this limitation is minimized.

    Isn't it hard to land with all those wheels?
    No. The pilot doesn't notice that he has two nose wheels up front and with excellent elevator control
    he can hold them off until about 45 knots during the landing roll.

    Why is the cockpit called a "pressure vessel"?
    The cockpit is airtight and the air is not freely exchanged with the outside air. So like a submarine the structure must be able to withstand large forces due to the pressure differential. In the case of this vehicle, there is high pressure air inside compared to the near vacuum outside.

    How do you keep the air breathable?
    There are three components to keeping the cockpit environment suitable for flight. One, oxygen needs to be added at a small rate for that used by breathing. This is done with a small bottle carried in the cabin. Two, the carbon dioxide from the exhaled air needs to be removed and this is done by means of a substance called "Sodasorb". Finally, the humidity is controlled by another substance called "3X"that removes water vapor, keeping the cabin cool and dry.

    Have there been any surprises during flight test?
    Right from the start the White Knight has been one of Scaled's best handling aircraft. It has good control harmony and is surprisingly responsive for a large airplane. Despite its high wing,

  12. Dyna Soar Projects by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 2, Informative

    It looks like the re-entry orbital vehicle borrowed heavily from the NASA program on rentry. Cool to see another application of the technology!

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  13. Re:cheap access to space by smartalix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You probably said that nobody could fly around the world on a tank of gas, too.

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  14. Re:....what the hell..... by fgodfrey · · Score: 4, Informative
    Err, escape *velocity* is always high regardless of what kind of flight you are using. You need to reach a certain speed to achieve orbit. What I think you were trying to say is that the forces the craft absorbs (ie, the acceleration) only are massive if you have to blast the thing into orbit. Once you've used the aerodynamic lift to get into the upper atmosphere, there's less wind drag and you're already moving at some amount of speed so you need less fuel to accelerate to orbital velocity and there's less stress put on the craft by air moving over it.


    Your example of going 1mph all the way to "orbit" doesn't work 'cause you won't *be* in orbit at 1mph. Being in space and being in orbit are two very different things.

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  15. Fuel by effer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "SpaceShipOne officials are reviewing use of hybrid rocket propulsion system provided by SpaceDev of Poway, California. Hybrid propulsion uses Nitrous Oxide -- also dubbed Laughing Gas -- and HTPB (tire rubber)."

    Laughing gas, tire rubber, and flames! A recipe for hilinks!!

    1. Re:Fuel by carambola5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, I just gave a demonstration on a hybrid rocket last week at my university... make that multiple demonstrations.

      It's very interesting that they actually used tire rubber for the following reason:
      While explaining the rocket to everyone, I mentioned that our particular rocket uses acrylic as the fuel because it looks cool (ie: transparent) and that in industry, they would use something similar to tire rubber. Not really surprised it was used here... it's just cool that we were dead on.

      Nitrous Oxide... that's interesting. We used pure oxygen. Wonder what kind of extra boost the Nitrous gives you.

      On to some more pertinent information:
      Hybrid rockets are hybrid because they use a fluid oxydizer and a solid fuel.

      With a solid rocket engine (both components solid), you can't stop the thing. Once you light it, it'll burn til it runs out of its fuel/oxydizer mix. Whereas with a fluid (aka: liquid) rocket, you can shut it off. Unfortunately, you also have a lot of moving parts.... which are bad.

      A hybrid rocket is the best of both worlds. You can shut it off, but it has half as many moving parts as a fluid rocket.

      Cool stuff. Though I think their version can outpower our whimpy 8 lbs. thrust engine.

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    2. Re:Fuel by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The impression that I got was that the Nitrous Oxide was used instead of pure O2 because it's stable and easy to store, and won't oxidize with the solid fuel until sufficient heat is present to start the reaction. The Nitrogen might also impart additional energy, but it really seemed to me from the documentation on the site that stability of storage was the important reason for the choice of that particular chemical for use in the hybrid motor.

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    3. Re:Fuel by Muhammar · · Score: 3, Informative

      N2O is great deal less effective than LOX: by factor 2-3. But if you subtract the complication with cold-resistant turbopumps handling LOX or high pressure cylinder storing non-cryogenic oxygen, N2O may come out just fine. Higher oxides, namely NO2
      would be more effective (they have been used in Titan rockets), but the high toxicity/corrosivity of these is serious trouble.

      The most thrust/weight ratio could be obtained with ozone/oxygen mix (which is spectacularily nasty and explosive), then the next best oxidant is oxygen difluoride. (Another nasty boy, potentialy useful as chemical warfare agent)

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  16. Re:Flamebait... by B3ryllium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey, we have the resources and the technology. But the only real reason to go in to space is to colonize, and there aren't enough Canadians for that. :)

    I mean, we have millions of square kilometers of uninhabited land (and some of it is even liveable!), we don't really need to colonize.

  17. Back Into Hiding by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > "We are not seeking funding and are not selling anything. We are in the middle of an important research program - to see if manned space access can be done by other than the expensive government programs," Rutan explained.
    >
    >Rutan said that after today, plans call for his group to go "back into hiding," to complete the flight tests and conduct the space flights.

    I don't blame him. If I threatened doom for six billion dollars a year of NASA Shuttle Pork, I'd want to be in hiding, too! :)

    Burt - you rock. You rock in the way that NASA used to rock. You rock in the way most NASA engineers would love to be allowed to rock.

    No matter what NASA does to try and shut you down, please don't stop.

    1. Re:Back Into Hiding by Syncdata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Burt - you rock. You rock in the way that NASA used to rock. You rock in the way most NASA engineers would love to be allowed to rock.
      Classic. I'm sure there's a nasa engineer out there somewhere paraphrasing the words of Homer Simpson
      "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day, then it was every other day, and now I'm lucky if I can find one night per week with which to get funky."
      The quote that thrilled me the most in the article though was that Mssr. Rutan and co. were not looking for additional funding. This organization seems to be as unlike NASA's current leadership as is possible.

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    2. Re:Back Into Hiding by orac2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I noted below:

      You have to be a little careful regarding Faget and the shuttle, given that his short winged 'DC-3' design was on the losing side of the compromise with the Air Force regarding the shuttle's cross range capability. Additionally, the DC-3 looked like it would have suffered from severe heating and aerodynamic instability problems on re-entry. Unlike the Mercury/Apollo era, where Faget's word was the only word, industry pushed back with their own spacecraft designs for the shuttle program and largely won -- the idea for a planform orbiter and a drop tank came from outside his team.

      However, to be fair, after the DC-3 battle, Faget's team did have the crucial insight that the external tank could serve a structural function as the backbone of the shuttle stack, instead of just hanging off it, and their MSC-040 orbiter design was the baseline for the production orbiters.

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    3. Re:Back Into Hiding by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > X prize is no threat to NASA, if anything, it's a private resource that NASA can tap to further it's own objectives (space station, another moon mission, mars missions, etc).

      In a perfect world, yes.

      In the real world, when Congress tells NASA that due to the availability of a $10M launch platform, (as opposed to the $500M Shuttle) that NASA's launch budget is being cut by 98%, NASA cares very much.

      In the real real world, when $CONTRACTOR tells $LOBBYIST to tell $CONGRESSMAN that the existence of a $10M launch platform threatens $100M per year of funding for jobs in his district, Rutan has to be very careful. Not so much of NASA, or evil Men-In-Black conspiracy theories, but of the FAA and other legal roadblocks that Congress can put up to stop him in order to keep the pr0k a flowin'.

    4. Re:Back Into Hiding by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > If the FAA doesn't like it, there is always Canada. My guess is that the Canuks would love to have a potential multi-billion dollar space program open up in their purview. If not Canada, then Mexico, Brazil, France or Austrailia.

      I was about to say "Mexico, Brazil, or Australia, sure, maybe French Guinea or whatever, but never Canada", because Canada's nowhere near (nor does own any land near) the equator.

      But now that you mention it, it's a piggyback vehicle based on an airplane! If the carrier vehicle is capable of midair refueling, Burt can launch from anywhere on the planet.

      No more big geographical premium for being near the equator, no huge "launch pad" infrastructure to build, no restrictions like "Can only launch $FOO-sats from Vandenburg, can only launch $BAR-sats from Cape Canaveral", just take off from any runway, fly to whatever latitude is appropriate for your payload's desired inclination, point the plane in the desired direction, and punch it. Turn the carrier vehicle around and fly home.

    5. Re:Back Into Hiding by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If there were only 5 computers in the entire world and they were so expensive that only the richest kings of Europe could afford to own one, that would really suck, right? Well, how great would it be if someone built a smaller computer that was cheap enough that a normal person could buy one? At first these alternative options might not be as good or particularly affordable, but surely that situation would improve. Perhaps eventually everyone would own one.
      That works for computers. But as an analogy between the Shuttle and Rutan's craft it fails utterly. The Shuttle is a heavy lift orbital vehicle. Rutan's craft is a no lift suborbital vehicle. The difference is not only of degree, but of kind.
      Analogy: who cares if this initial version isn't the Rolls Royce of spacecraft? As its price goes down and availability goes up, more and more people and companies will get involved in the space travel industry. The first try doesn't have to be the best thing ever; if that is the aim, you get the Shuttle.
      If it were a spacecraft, you'd have a point. But Rutan's ship isn't a spacecraft.

      That's a problem I've had with the X-prize all along. It's not designed to emphasize the building of a spacecraft, it's designed to emphasize the design of a thrill ride. Their hope is that the thrill ride will inspire people to build real spacecraft. Some X-prize ships have a clear upgrade path to useful orbital capicity, some do not. Rutan's is among the latter.
  18. Contact by telstar · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Burt Rutan's company, Scaled Composites, announced that they have been developing a commercial manned space program in secret for the past two years."
    • I though they were supposed to wait for the religious freaks to blow up the first one before letting Jodi Foster know this one existed.

  19. Re:Ho Hum. by smartalix · · Score: 3, Informative

    If it can get into space, it's a spacecraft. Orbit is another thing entirely. The first American spaceflight by Alan Shepard was sub-orbital, you know. (But you obviously don't, or you wouldn't have made the above comment.)

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  20. That's some fuel! by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
    "SpaceShipOne officials are reviewing use of hybrid rocket propulsion system provided by SpaceDev of Poway, California. Hybrid propulsion uses Nitrous Oxide -- also dubbed Laughing Gas -- and HTPB (tire rubber)."

    Burning rubber to orbit, laughing all the way? (Yeah yeah, it's sub-orbital -- for now.)

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    1. Re:That's some fuel! by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Burning rubber to orbit, laughing all the way?

      Amusing, but on a more serious note, didn't anyone find the following just the least bit suspicious?

      "Benson said the company's motor design is thought to be the largest of its type in the world. It uses clean and inexpensive propellants, namely Nitrous Oxide (Laughing Gas) and HTPB (tire rubber)."

      Burning rubber is -incredibly- toxic. Note the pictures of the rocket firing? Lots of yellow flame(meaning low-temperature, incomplete combustion- watch the shuttle some time, you -can't- really see the flame out of the liquid fuel motors, it's so damn hot) and TONS of thick, thick black smoke?

      I tried googling around, and found out that HTPB stands for "hydroxy terminated polybutadiene"- it's commonly used as a binder in normal solid rocket motors, and...oddly enough, it seems Saddam liked HTPB too. Okay, so I'm getting the sense that Space.com grossly oversimplified HTPB as "tire rubber."

      The only thing I could find on the "how clean is it?" question was a page detailing various solid rocket fuels. Interesting to note that HTPB is NOT listed under the section titled "fuels that meet clean air requirements", but then again, the whole nitrous bit isn't mentioned either. I'm no rocket scientist :-), so maybe the nitrous oxide gets things goin' enough that everything burns cleanly; it is, afterall, a pretty sweet oxidizer.

      I'd personally like to know more about this, as I think the space shuttle needs to be put through some emissions testing. Lots of states require on-dyno testing; imagine dyno-testing that puppy. Maybe NASA can just slip the guy two twenties(it is the space shuttle after all, one twenty probably wouldn't be enough) and get the sticker...

  21. Re:....what the hell..... by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Funny

    The man doesn't have to be alive to start with, does he? That would loosen up the "safely" part and gimme a shortcut...

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  22. Text of main page by MsWillow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mojave, California, April 18, 2003:
    Scaled Composites today unveiled the existence of a commercial manned space program. This previously hidden, active research program has been in the works at its facility for two years. This program includes an airborne launcher (the White Knight), a space ship (SpaceShipOne), rocket propulsion, avionics, simulator and ground support elements.
    Master of Ceremonies, Cliff Robertson, introduced Burt Rutan who explained the history and the components of the program. Other dignitaries who attended the event were Dr. Maxim Faget (pioneer configuratioin designer of the early NASA space program from the Mercury through the Apollo programs), Erik Lindbergh (grandson of Charles Lindbergh and President of the Lindbergh Foundation), and Dennis Tito (Soyuz space tourist).
    Further information about the space program and high-resolution photographs are available at the Scaled Composites website: www.scaled.com.

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  23. very sci fi looking .. no ? by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Funny



    Whenever I look at the entries for this competition I can't help but wonder why they all have this sci fi look to them. ie something out of start trek. I always have this image of some guy of a err more feminine persuasion flailing his hands and going " it justht doesnt look spathy enough.... more spathy people ...."

  24. Mirror... by cmorriss · · Score: 2, Funny

    Found a nice mirror.

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  25. Capabilities of space craft... by CommieLib · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Between the article and the qualifications of the X-Prize, we can cobble together what the minimum performance levels of this craft are:

    From the XPrize site:

    • able to carry three people to 100 kilometers (62.5 miles)
    • Returns safely to Earth (duh)
    • Repeats the launch with the same ship within 2 weeks
    While the article notes a higher performance level:

    a three-person single-stage fully reusable spaceship up to 112 miles (180 kilometers), giving those onboard some five minutes of microgravity. In addition, two-stage expendable boosters could be lobbed skyward from the aircraft, placing micro-satellite payloads of up to 80 pounds (36 kilograms) into low Earth orbit.

    So we're talking about a total 700 pound payload including crew, capable of traveling to low earth orbit, where many satellites travel. I wonder if you exchanged a crewman and the microsattelite payload, you might have enough fuel to de-orbit with a satellite (though you'd have to have a bay large enough to take it).

    If nothing else, I can see a satellite repair / refueling service come out of this in no time. Seems like the next step is to deploy a ferry to LEO that can truck the payload to GEO and beyond.
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    1. Re:Capabilities of space craft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      repeat after me people: the x-prize is for SUB-orbital flights. rutan's system (e.g. the "spacecraft one") is not intended to go into orbit. just into space (to an altitude of 180 km) in a ballistic trajectory. no satellite recovery or repair. although the carrier vehicle (which btw does not leave the atmosphere) CAN launch microsatellites which do go into orbit.

  26. Re:....what the hell..... by scd · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are also confused. Escape velocity is the velocity at which an object with no attached propulsion needs to be launched from the surface of Earth in order that the object will never fall back down to the surface due to Earth's gravity. Often explained as the velocity need for an object to reach infinite distance from another object.

    It is true that you won't be orbitting at 1mph. However, if you consider the the velocity vector that is perpendicular to the Earth's surface, it is most certainly possible to reach orbit with a vertical velocity of only 1mph. Not fuel-efficient, of course.

  27. Re:....what the hell..... by jafac · · Score: 2, Informative

    Escape velocity is NOT the same as what's required to reach orbit.

    Escape Velocity is what's required to escape the earth's gravity.

    Reaching Earth Orbit is NOT escaping earth's gravity.

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  28. Data From Web Site by ChangeOnInstall · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Press Release

    Mojave, California, April 18, 2003:
    Scaled Composites today unveiled the existence of a commercial manned space program. This previously hidden, active research program has been in the works at its facility for two years. This program includes an airborne launcher (the White Knight), a space ship (SpaceShipOne), rocket propulsion, avionics, simulator and ground support elements.
    Master of Ceremonies, Cliff Robertson, introduced Burt Rutan who explained the history and the components of the program. Other dignitaries who attended the event were Dr. Maxim Faget (pioneer configuratioin designer of the early NASA space program from the Mercury through the Apollo programs), Erik Lindbergh (grandson of Charles Lindbergh and President of the Lindbergh Foundation), and Dennis Tito (Soyuz space tourist).
    Further information about the space program and high-resolution photographs are available at the Scaled Composites website: www.scaled.com.

    The FAQ

    Frequently Asked Questions

    VISION
    What does Burt Rutan think of the other X-Prize designs?
    Burt prefers to discuss this only after the X-Prize is won.

    How long has Burt been working on all this?
    The concept dates back to April 1996. Design work and some limited testing was started 3.5 years ago. The full development program began in May 2001.

    What's going to be next in Burt's bag of tricks?
    Scaled has completed 34 manned research aircraft and none were announced until they were ready to fly.

    BUSINESS
    How much does it all cost?
    This is generally not known until the program is complete, but projections place it close to a Soyuz ride.

    How much will it cost to get a ride into space?
    Rides will not be offered in SpaceShipOne. The price of a ride will have to take in consideration the cost of certification and establishing an airliner-like operation. One goal of this research program is to see how low it might be without the burden of regulatory costs. At program completion we will have good data for operational costs and may publish them.

    Is it physically stressful?
    It is expected to be on the order of some modern theme park rides. The highest forces occur during reentry but build up gradually and peak near 6 G's for less than 10 seconds. With the pilot and passengers reclined, these forces should be quite tolerable for anyone in reasonable health.

    Is Burt Rutan going to ride in the vehicle?
    Yes, as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

    WHITE KNIGHT
    Why did the first flight last only 2 minutes?
    The airplane had outboard spoilers on the wings to help improve roll control in the event of gusty cross wind landings. They were pneumatically actuated (using the same tanks, valves and fittings as the RCS system on SpaceShipOne) and returned to recesses in the wings by springs. On the first flight, the low air pressure, at rotation was sufficient to "suck" the spoilers out which killed the lift and caused the return springs to slam them closed. Four of these surfaces chattering out on the wingtips during the climb out produced significant airframe vibrations and the pilot elected to turn downwind and land immediately rather than aggravate the condition any longer than necessary.

    How can you see where you're going?
    The visibility is actually much better than you might imagine. By moving your head slightly you can piece together an acceptable picture of the outside world and maintain adequate "situational awareness". What is more difficult is spotting other airborne traffic. However, between radar advisories from ground controllers and an onboard traffic alert system called "Skywatch," this limitation is minimized.

    Isn't it hard to land with all those wheels?
    No. The pilot doesn't notice that he has two nose wheels up front and with excellent elevator control
    he can hold them off until about 45 knots during the landing roll.

    Why is the cockpit called a "pressure vessel"?
    The cockpit is airtight and

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  29. ugly space plane by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Burt's designs have always been a bit bizare looking especial when viewed on the ground. Remember that he designs flying amchine and they fly like a dream. This guy builds machines with little regard for what's conventional, and great regard for what's functional

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  30. World's most BORING spaceship name! by payndz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Come on, /.ers! While we're waiting for Rutan's (yes, I instantly saw the Doctor Who connection too) server to stop trembling in fear, let's spend the time coming up with some more interesting names to pitch to him.

    I mean, 'SpaceShip One'? Guy, intercaps are *so* dotcom-era...

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    You must think in Russian.
  31. Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? by Agar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I realize that a paint job can cover many ills, it does appear that Rutan is significantly farther along in constructing his X-Prize vehicle than Carmack.

    Comparing pictures, you see:
    Armadillo Aerospace Launch Vehicle
    vs.
    Scaled Composites aircraft and drop ship

    Perhaps one of the issues is that Armadillo publishes their status (and myriad problems) openly (see the latest update for example). No one knows what issues Scaled Composites has had as they worked in secret, but it's easy to feel like Rutan's running a professional company while Carmack is leading a group of (brilliant, talented) hobbyists.

    I'd be interested in hearing Armadillo/Carmack's perspective on the competitive landscape, now that this new player has made an announcement.

    1. Re:Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? by John+Carmack · · Score: 5, Informative

      We have obviously been eagerly waiting for this unveiling. Nobody has denied that Rutan is the odds-on favorite for the X-Prize, but I take a positive thing away from this unveiling -- I have always contended that being an "airplane guy" is going to hurt Rutan in the X-Prize, and this is definitely a "winged thing". I would have been more concerned if it was just a purely ballistic capsule being air launched. I have little doubt that they will fairly rapidly have successful zoom climbs to somewhat above 100,000', but it is far from the simplest design to go to 350,000'. It is certainly true that complex designs can be made to work with enough talent, experience, testing, and money, which Rutan has all of, but there is plenty of room for things to screw up.

      I don't expect that they will make any flights to 100km this year, but I can certainly be proven wrong...

      I am quite happy with our current design, and we are committed to following through irrespective of what Rutan does. Even if he makes it, we have a different ecological niche in terms of vehicle capabilities -- our entire launch infrastructure can be towed by a light truck, and launched from anywhere. If he does win the X-Prize before us, we will ditch the monopropellant propulsion system and move to something more cost effective (at the expense of more development time) for the long term. We may be forced to do that anyway, if our peroxide situation doesn't resolve itself.

      John Carmack

    2. Re:Burt Rutan vs. John Carmack? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Informative

      We may be forced to do that anyway, if our peroxide situation doesn't resolve itself.

      Have you looked into this guy? It looks like he has Peroxide concentrators ready to go. I think you bought one of his engines, didn't you?

      It might not be a high volume, long-term solution, but it might at least get you flying again.

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  32. Re:....what the hell..... by digitalgiblet · · Score: 2, Funny
    er... actually the rocket fuel isn't explosive.

    When it's a couple inches from my back, I don't really distinguish between exploding and burning really fast.

    "He didn't technically EXPLODE, Jim, he just burned to cinders very quickly..."

  33. This thing really burns rubber... by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 2, Funny


    no... really! (read the article)
    Wierdest fuel I've ever heard of!

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  34. Just like Firestar by Michael F. Flynn by Opiuman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Firestar saga is about a billinaire industrialist who starts her own space program. However, her main motive is fear of killer astroids, not scientific curiosity.

  35. I still like XCOR's design... by Analog+Squirrel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know that their design is a long way off, but they have been spending lots of time on a their motor designs. They've even been testing them on a Rutan designed Long EZ(modified, of course). Does anyone know if XCOR is officially an X-prize team? They're not on the list...

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  36. Rutan history by nuntius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Burt Rutan designed an airplane for Beech Aircraft (now Raytheon) a few years back - the Starship.

    It too looked futuristic, like nothing else.
    It was a disaster. Overpriced, noisy, slow, fuel hog...
    Only like 60 were ever built, half of them never sold, and most of the rest were quickly returned. If you walk around the plant airport, you can find them hidden in clusters of 3 (so it doesn't look as bad as a boneyard of 50 ;).

    Burt made off with a small fortune before the failure became apparent.

    Rutan's brother was involved in several failed balloon-around-the-world attempts.

    Considering their past "successes", I expect this project to be "pretty" but totally unsuccessful. Good looks don't outweigh good physics.

    1. Re:Rutan history by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hold on there, skippy.

      Overpriced comes from poor cost control, not poor design.

      Noisy slow fuel hog comes from poor engine design and selection.

      The Starship was a great design that turned into a mediocre aircraft. Burt Rutan has a long history of brilliant, successful aircraft designs.

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    2. Re:Rutan history by nuntius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I'm an electrical engineer, not an aero engineer.

      However, living in Wichita at the time, I knew several of the aero engineers who were working on the project. Without exception, they said the plane was horribly flawed - before it was even finished.

      Sure, the engines may have been part of the problem, but they were a small part. The main problem was the whole design. Putting the engines _behind_ the plane on the wings where they did subjected the props to large amounts of turbulence. The engineers had to redesign the fuselage and wings to work around this problem, but it was still less efficient than a "traditional" design.

      Also, the engines were on each side of the cabin - where the "big whigs" sit. Engines are noisy, so they had to put large amounts of sound-deadening material in the cabin... which adds weight... which drags the plane down... which again makes it less efficient.

      As for overpriced, the Starship was the first big commercial plane to have the fuselage made out of one big piece of composite material - as Burt specified. Developing this technology and constructing a massive kiln caused several of the major expenses in the project. This expense was due to the design, not poor cost control.

      I'll just sum it up again, the aero engineers hated the plane when they first saw it. The only people who believed in it were managers and other big shots who didn't have experience in the industry.

    3. Re:Rutan history by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know anything about aerospace, but I have to wonder why you think this plane was such a great design? The designer looks like he makes pretty designs, but is that the only redeeming quality?

      Frank Lloyd Wright made pretty buildings, but he was also famous for making things that weren't functional, and sometimes were just broken. His house on the waterfall is a classic example. The damn thing is falling over now because he valued pretty over solid design. (IIRC the engineer who built it told him the design would fail, and now many years later they have to spend millions to try to retrofit the house so it doesn't collapse).

      I get the feeling this guy is the same way. So here's your chance to defend him. Is it all about the thing being pretty, or is it just an all around great design?

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    4. Re:Rutan history by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Canard aircraft are, in principle, more efficient than conventional aircraft.

      In a conventional layout, the horizontal tail generates lift in the downward direction, to balance the center of gravity, which for stability reasons is located ahead of the lift vector of the main wing. Therefore, the main wing must generate enough lift to carry the aircraft, and enough lift to offset the downward force from the tail. This extra lift also creates extra induced drag. (Any time you create lift, you also create drag. No getting around it.)

      Since the canard locates lifting surfaces at either end of the airplane, with the CG in the middle, both surfaces can generate lift in the upward direction. Less lift overall is required.

      Properly designed canard aircraft are also extremely resistant to stalling. Since the canard is typically shorter in chord than the main wing, it will stall first and bring the nose of the airplane down.

      Rutan has built two aircraft that have been resounding public successes (the Vari-EX homebuilt and its derivatives and the Voyager), and numerous military prototypes. Just for fun, he designed his personal aircraft (the Boomerang) to be completely asymmetrical.

      The thing that I love about aero. engineering is that aircraft that are properly designed also, by virtue of the laws of nature that drive their shape, have an aesthetic sensibility to them. So, in that sense, it IS about the thing being pretty. Obviously, there's more to it than that, but there is a fundamental aesthetic to good aerodynamic design.

      Rutan also has a history of extreme lateral thinking when solving aerodynamic problems. Unlike most designers, he throws the history book out the window when he builds a new airplane, and he often comes up with insightful and clever new layouts in the process.

      The Pond Racer was another favorite of mine, but its engines were problematic. Unfortunately, it crashed in 1993, killing its pilot. Air racing is dangerous.

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  37. anyone else notice this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... this image appears to have been fiddled with. Look at the red engine exhaust nozzle. Clearly been image-manip'ed.

  38. Return Ticket by IPFreely · · Score: 2, Funny
    I read a Sci-Fi story a few decades ago (don't remember the name) along those lines.

    A more advanced race was visiting a planet with a primitive culture, slightly pre-industrial age. They had rules of involvement based on the advancement of the culture they were contacting. One of the thresholds of the involvement levels was space travel capability.

    So the locals tossed a man into what was the equivelant of a diving bell, set it on a powder keg and blew it into space. They then went to the representative of the more advanced race and said:
    "We have space travel capabilities now. You can deal with us as spacefarers. Oh and by the way, could you please rescue our astronaut before he burns up on reentry?"

    I hope these guys have a return plan. I don't think they're gonna get rescued.

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    1. Re:Return Ticket by RetroGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read a Sci-Fi story a few decades ago (don't remember the name) along those lines.

      King David's Spaceship (Jerry Pournelle)

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  39. You cant keep good engineers down by FWMiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Note that Max Faget is involved in this endeavor. He is widely recognized as being responsible for the basic configuration of the Space Shuttle when he was with NASA. I met him once years ago when I was working on the Space Station. He was involved in the then termed Assured Crew Return Vehicle (ACRV), the lifeboat, I don't know what they are calling it now. You could really sense the frustration in him in the system and how he really wanted to have another oppurtunity to build something. Looks like he found another chance!

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    1. Re:You cant keep good engineers down by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Note that Max Faget is involved in this endeavor.

      Never in a thousand years could I imagine a worse name to grow up with. His school years must make prison look like playschool.

    2. Re:You cant keep good engineers down by orac2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, you have to be a little careful regarding Faget and the shuttle, given that his short winged 'DC-3' design was on the losing side of the compromise with the Air Force regarding the shuttle's cross range capability. Additionally, the DC-3 looked like it would have suffered from severe heating and aerodynamic instability problems on re-entry. Unlike the Mercury/Apollo era, where Faget's word was the only word, industry pushed back with their own spacecraft designs for the shuttle program and largely won -- the idea for a planform orbiter and a drop tank came from outside his team.

      However, to be fair, after the DC-3 battle, Faget's team did have the crucial insight that the external tank could serve a structural function as the backbone of the shuttle stack, instead of just hanging off it, and their MSC-040 orbiter design was the baseline for the production orbiters.

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  40. Re:Significant aero prizes by sprprsnmn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, but Lindbergh was the first to fly SOLO, NON-STOP across the Atlantic. That's a pretty significant achievment.

  41. Now that the Rutans have space supremacy by BluedemonX · · Score: 2, Funny

    the Sontaran empire is trying to catch up.....

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  42. Rocket nozzle is faked. by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The scaled.com website has several high-resolution photos of the SpaceShipOne and the launch vehicle. They all look pretty real, except that the red rocket nozzle is pretty clearly pasted on in photoshop.

    The 3/4 front view that's posted in the article appears to have a real "not-for-flight" mockup nozzle, but the shape and color are different than the rear-view photos. The rocket nozzles in the rear-view shots have clear cut-and-paste artifacts around them.

    It's arguably OK to have a mockup nozzle -- it's a longstanding convention that red "not-for-flight" mockup parts get put on during construction and design, and there's no reason to have the real rocket motor on the device for an aerodynamic flight test. But photoshopping a more realistic nozzle is not OK.

    Burt, burt, burt -- don't blow it like that!

    1. Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by robi2106 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was pretty impressed with their info and site until you pointed this out and I took a look. My experience in graphics programs stops at PaintShop Pro and using it to change resolutions/image types/sizes, etc. But I could tell that the several pixles surrounding the nozle were obviously artifacts of image insertion.

      I am disappointed that any agency seeking credibility would do that. But time will tell the merits of their work.

      robi

    2. Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by smartalix · · Score: 4, Informative

      The site plainly states that the rocket engine has not yet been selected. That means that there is no nozzle yet on the craft. Obviously, to prevent morons from pointing and saying "it has no engine!" even though it has already been explained that there isn't one yet, a nozzle was added in the photos for cosmetic purposes.

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    3. Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't surprise me if they were photoshopping on a LESS realistic nozzle to disguise their design.

      Just a thought.

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    4. Re:Rocket nozzle is faked. by RedWizzard · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Take a look at this picture and note the position of the shadow on the rocket nozzle and the shadow of the launch vehicle cockpit of the landing gear on the right. Now compare to the picture at the bottom of this page. Note that the shadow of the cockpit is identical to the first picture, as are other shadows cast by the vehicle. But in that picture the nozzle is completely in shadow. One of the pictures must be altered.

      In fact the first picture seems to be an altered version of the second picture. What's different:

      • The rocket nozzle.
      • In the first pic SpaceShipOne is mated to the launcher, in the second pic SpaceShipOne is resting on it's own landing gear.
      • In the second pic the launcher does not have it's jet engines installed (in fact those jet engines are not installed in any of the ground based pictures I've seen except the first pic).
      What's the same:
      • The shadows are in exactly the same positions (so the pictures where taken at the same time of day, to within a few minutes).
      • The cracks in the ground are exactly the same so the vehicles have been places in the same position, despite major work having been performed (the jet engines, the mating superstructure).
      • The backgrounds are identical, right down to another vehicle on the tarmac obscured in exactly the same way by the landing gear on the right. All the other planes in the background are also in the same locations.
      IMO, the picture of the mated vehicles has been faked from the picture of the separate vehicles. SpaceShipOne's landing gear has been removed (suspiciously leaving no hatch for it to emerge from), the mating superstructure has been added, and the launcher's jet engines have been added. I can only imagine this has been done to make it appear that they are further advanced than they actually are.
  43. Re:A rutan? Dr Who was real! [worst episode ever] by DJTodd242 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, it wasn't "herpes" ... He was in a pub and was playing with a crew members dog. Apparently this dog went nuts when he heard the sound when you pop your mouth (think pop goes the weasel) and the dog jumped up and bit him on the lip.

    This was covered for at the beginning of The Ribos Operation by showing a shot of him banging his face on the TARDIS console by accident.

    I was I could get a job spouting useless Dr. Who information...

  44. Re:....what the hell..... by Flamerule · · Score: 2, Informative
    There is lots of stuff 80,000 miles up with a ground speed of zero that has me worried now. Why isn't it falling back down?
    Dude, what are you talking about? "Ground speed"? If you mean an object in space that stays above the same point on the Earth, that's geosynchronous orbit, and said object would have to be 35,786 kilometers = 22,241 miles up, and the point must be on the equator. An object in said orbit would have a velocity of 3339 m/s.
  45. How about borrowing from German ideas? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, Rutan's concept with SpaceShipOne uses a lot of the technology pioneered first in the UK but perfected in Germany for one large airplane carrying only a slightly smaller plane and launching the smaller airplane once the larger plane needs to return to base. (Note: this idea is much more complicated than a large bomber dropping a small plane like what the US did with its X-plane launches from modified B-29's and B-52's.)

    Late in World War II, the Junkers company built a number of specially-modified Ju 88 bombers that had a large explosive warhead fitted in place of the four-man cockpit. Junkers fitted special brace mounts on top of this modified Ju 88 so accommodated a small fighter like an Me 109G or Fw 190A series fighter airplane. The whole composite flying unit (called Mistel) was guided by the pilot in the fighter until near the final dive into the target, where the fighter separated from the Ju 88 to escape while the bomber flew straight into the target. Mistel was used late in World War II, though its success was marginal at best.

    Very late in World War II, engineers at Daimler-Benz took the idea of Mistel to the next level with their A composite flying machine project proposal. It was essentially a large jet-powered airplane with relatively tall fixed undercarriage that had a smaller jet powered bomber slung underneath. This allowed the smaller bomber to fly much further than possible, since the smaller bomber didn't need to consume fuel on the way to the target.

    Essentially, the Rutan SpaceShipOne unveiled today uses the same technological ideas pioneered on the Daimler-Benz A project, but with modern aerospace materials and engines the whole composite flying unit is vastly lighter than the German project.

    Just FYI. =)

    1. Re:How about borrowing from German ideas? by K. · · Score: 2, Informative

      There were also a couple of US parasite fighters slung off bombers and airships in the 30s. And there were a few Russian air-launch spacecraft projects, though I can't remember any names at the moment.

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  46. This one won't go to orbit by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 3, Informative
    Most folks don't realize the enormous difficulty of getting into orbit, compared to getting into space. Just lifting yourself up 150 miles or so is no big deal compared to getting up the tremendous speed required to orbit the Earth. For example, when the Space Shuttle launches, it start out straight up, then rapidly tilts over to thrust eastward, then continues onward, rockets firing, past the horizon. Think about that. In order to go under the horizon, rockets firing, it must now be thrusting slightly downward compared to the original launch. By far the largest part of the effort of a satellite launch is developing orbital speed (order of 5 miles per second); compared to that, tiny things like getting out of the atmosphere are trivial.

    A manned orbital vehicle would have to have a completely different shape than the SpaceShipOne -- the rocket motor assembly would be more than 50x bigger than the passengers, rather than comparable to them in size. (For example, compare the boosters used for the Mercury/Redstone flights and the Mercury orbital flights).

  47. Re:Things that make you go hmmm.. by CDS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In typical Rutan style (and the Rutans DEFINATELY have a style all their own) this bird doesn't look like it should even EXIST outside an Anime cartoon, much less FLY -- and only Burt Rutan could come up with a working prototype powered by LAUGHING GAS AND OLD TIRES!

    And in typical Rutan fashion, it'll probably work perfectly the first flight, and cost less than 1/10th what NASA could do it for :) By the way, Burt pronounces NASA as "Nay-Say". Kinda tells ya something...

    Interesting story:
    I attended a lecture Burt gave last year (at Oshkosh Airventure 2002) and he was talking about the Proteus. They were involved in an air quality experiment. There were several layers of airplanes in a vertical stack -- the Proteus was assigned the 65,000ft layer, and a NASA U2 was given the 68,000ft assignment. The U2 (which was only flying 3000ft above the Proteus) had a full maintenance crew of 40. The Proteus came with a crew of 2! Rutan stated that they spent most of their day on the ground, playing cards and waiting for the U2 crew to finish maintenance....

  48. B-52 - X15 comparison by Dethpickle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This seems kindof a modern shot at the X15 program.

    The X15 got piggybacked up to 40k feet and then would fly/rocket up to 350k feet. Rutan's craft is going to be starting out almost twice as high.

    Granted, part of the purpose of the X15 was going fast in addition to going high. Rutan's probably won't go that fast as low, but all those draggy airfoils won't be so bad higher up.

    Perhaps someone with some aerodynamics knowledge could comment on exactly how benificial the higher starting altitude is.

    1. Re:B-52 - X15 comparison by hubble29 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Rutan has always been one of thos engineers who thinks outside of the box and has quite a few successes and here is another one. The current approach and basically unchanged since rocketry's infancy has been to avoid drag as much as possible in hopes of fuel economy and vehicle efficiency. Conventional wisdom has always said," go straight up and pass through the least amount of atmosphere and get to were you want to be as fast as possible and you will save the most fuel". The current wisdom has always treated drag as an enemy which it is but drag also has a sibling called lift. Now in a rocket going straight up, lift from an airfoil is to be avoided since the lift vector is in an axis perpendicular to the main direction of travel and all it will do is cause extra drag. Rutan's approach, way out of the box when it comes to rockets, is to use an effecient airfoil which will give minimal drag and maximum lift and travel to a high altitude with a minimum amount of fuel. By doing this he is: 1. Drastically reducing the fuel requirements just to get were the air is thin for the high speed portion of the launch. 2.Reducing the size of the launch vehicle system drastically just by not having to carry all that extra fuel. 3.Using smaller propulsion units because of decreased launch vehicle mass. These not only will weigh less but be cheaper to manufacture and be more durable. 4.By using smaller and more conventional propulsion units, he is also gaining a significant level of safety. A moderate sized jet or rocket engine is much easier to control technically. You can always just turn off the fuel and the fire goes out. One of the big safety issuse with the shuttle program has been the solid fuel booster engines. Once they are lit, there is no turning them off until they are consumed. Also because a rocket has no lift, there are limited options of launch abortal in the early moments of launch. Actually as the launch proceeds and gains altitude, the emergency procedure options increase dramatically with conventional launches. By using a quasi-conventional aircraft design, the complete launch vehicle will always have the ability to do an engine out glide return to earth up to vehicle seperation and actual high altitude launch sequence begins. Even this will be at a very great altitude giving many emergency options and this space vehicle is also a lifting body so it will be capable of gliding also. Rutan has had a huge influence on winged aviation for the military and civilian side. It appears that he is leaving his mark on the space program also. As a side note, Rutan and Nasa and the Air Force are on very friendly terms. It wouldn't surprise me if they have not been helping fund some of this research. I can't waqit to see this actually fly and reach orbit.

  49. Re:Things that make you go hmmm.. by TheHawke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You gotta consider that the U2/TR1 is a old bird and requires alot of TLC to get it up that high.

    As I recall when the U2 was on the boards, they had to practially reinvent the wheel just to keep it from bursting at their mission altitude.
    Rutan simply capitalized on the work that Lockheed's Skunk Works team did and took it a step higher and further, with fewer nuts to take care of the bird..

    Of course, you gotta remember, the U2 IS a government aircraft so there is some beraucracy behind it..

    If it was still Lockheed's bird they would have had 10 men, doing each others work and knowing dammed full well what was happening at each moment in the preflight process. Not to mention one or two of their engineers working alongside them.

    The U2 is a very specialized aircraft, with alot of components that you would not see on a regular bird these days.

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  50. Re:Cockpit screen also by asadodetira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The cockpit image seems to have a lot of retouching too. The screen in the middle probably can't be seen clearly in an actual photograph.

  51. Busted! by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "mated" image includes the shadows of the landing gear from the non-mated image in the litho.

    Well spotted!