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Nebula Award Winners, Hugo Nominees Announced

CBNobi writes "The 2002 Nebula Award winners have been announced this weekend. The winner for best novel was American Gods by Neil Gaiman (reviewed here at Slashdot), and the winner for best script was LotR:The Fellowship of the Ring. The nominees for the 2003 Hugo Awards have also been announced; Episodes of Enterprise, Firefly, and Buffy are all nominated for best short form dramatic presentation, and LotR and Spirited Away are among the nominees for best long form presentation."

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  1. Hugo 2003 - Short Form Dramatic by ZPO · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hmmm,

    Firefly - Cancelled (and it was just getting fun)

    Enterprise - Might be cancelled soon

    Buffy - Wrapping up the series? (don't watch it, but recall the wife mentioning it.)

    Should it be seen as a sign of the times that the nominees are all either going or gone? Makes you wonder about the intelligence of the masses. Oh wait, we already know about the intelligence of the masses.

    1. Re:Hugo 2003 - Short Form Dramatic by Jerf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm using this category as a yardstick for how much to care about the Hugos in the future. I'm not demanding that Firefly win, as I don't watch Buffy and can't fairly compare the two. But Enterprise should lose.

      A Night in Sickbay and Carbon Creek are absolutely atrocious and pretty bad, respectively. Neither is a shining example of drama.

      Do read the links, and note that while there is some continuity criticism that you might be willing to ignore for the sake of a Hugo (though even that should count against them; why is it only Star Trek, of all the shows on TV, gets to ignore and even actively contradict continuity whenever it feels like it? it's in a league all its own), the criticism is mostly about the piss-poor dramatic structure of the episodes. (Admittedly Carbon Creek is the best the show had to offer, which isn't saying much; poke around some of the other critiques on that site and you'll see what I mean. He sold me pretty thoroughly on his opinions, and the only reason I'd watch Enterprise now is to see him deconstruct it.)

    2. Re:Hugo 2003 - Short Form Dramatic by defaulthtm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Buffy is wrapping up but as a series probably has reached the end of its natural life. If you look at the season villains they have got larger and larger (by season 1: The Master - Uber Vamp; 2: Spike, Angel, Dru - Multiple uber vamps; 3: The Mayor - My personal fav big bad; 4: Adam - Frankenstein's demon; 5: Glory - a god; 6: Willow gone evil; 7: The first evil) to the point that it will be very difficult to top the current big bad. A spin off appears to be in the works. that may have SMG guest appearances.

      Angel hasn't been renewed yet either. That is fairly disappointing.

      Enterprise has been terrible since the get go. The suggestion that they weren't going to use technology to solve problems was a blatant lie and basic Star Trek races (Vulcans for example) ended up being written so badly it was astonishing.

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  2. The problem with network TV shows. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, it also says way too much about how short-sighted TV executives are nowadays.

    TV executives frequently do not like hour-long dramas due to the high cost of production per hour; they still (unfortunately for us TV viewers :( ) like reality shows because reality shows have relatively low cost of production per hour. Even with its exotic locales, the best-known reality show (Survivor) is still a bargain compared to shows like the now-cancelled Firefly, the soon-to-end Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, and the potentially-cancelled Enterprise.

    The days of a network letting a show find its audience are long over. You'll never see anything like how NBC allowed Hill Street Blues to eventually become a big hit again.

    1. Re:The problem with network TV shows. by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They're also particularly down on shows that require a lot of special effects and sets every episode. Law & Order, for instance, is probably a lot cheaper, because it only needs an occasional stunt. The real problem is that they keep coming up with new shows to fill the timeslots and viewer segments vacated by shows they cancelled, meaning that sci-fi TV is full of shows you haven't gotten into yet and shows that are being cancelled. If the shows are trying not to be short or interchangable, it's not going to be good storytelling.

      On the other hand, if they made a sci-fi reality show, I'd watch that. Perhaps a show like Firefly, except that they killed off a character each week, with the plot point that something really great was going to happen to any crew member who survived the season. Alternatively, "Survivor: B5" would be really amusing; you follow a set of random residents who have to avoid getting themselves killed by the disasters that are always happening on the station, and also have to avoid getting voted out an airlock, shipped back to their home planet, etc.; it would be based on interpersonal skills and dexterity, but with more exciting things they have to do.

  3. Re:I'm glad Ian McLeod didn't read anything by Colm+Buckley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's an amusing troll; it's a little too reactionary to be convincing, however.

    For what it's worth, China Miéville, who was nominated, is considerably further to the "left" than Ian McLeod; in fact Mr Miéville has stood for Parliament on behalf of a political party you would no doubt dub "sophomoric Marxist".

    Not everyone subscribes to the last-man-standing-wins model of American capitalism.

  4. Umm where's Alias? Whatever. by Kibo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess the Joss Whedon, Rick Berman & Brannon Braga mutual admiration society didn't leave any room for something watchable.

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  5. Re:Newflash by andy666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    no it's really just the opposite. people treat "art" as this holy thing that isn't supposed to be something enjoyable.

  6. Re:I'm glad Ian McLeod didn't read anything by j-b0y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ian McLeod is Scottish, for a start. I know it seems like a subtle difference, but at least try and get it right.

    Ian Mcleod is a socialist and has written some pretty intersting stuff about how the future might work if you do not accept the inevitability of near-future societies that are nation-state economies driven by Capitalism. He nails the US, because of its arch-Capitalist nature, and ironically tags the UN as behoven to the US.

    I guess he got pretty fed up with seeing the future solely portrayed as a Captialist utopia, something which he disagrees with. It's nothing personal, just another point of view.

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  7. Re:Newflash by Michael+Dorfman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK, maybe it's me, but I didn't find "American Gods" particularly enjoyable. In fact, I found it to be pretty lame. If that was the best Science Fiction novel of the year, I guess I have a better understanding of why I tend not to read much SF.

  8. Re:Newflash by bsartist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it was actually a fairly slow year for SF. Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt" got good reviews, but for me it dragged - I couldn't even finish it. Maybe I'll try again. David Brin's "Kiln People" was better, but it wasn't his best.

    To be honest, I think it's been a slow decade for SF. Many of the Great Ones of the genre - from Asimov to Zelazny - are gone, and the younger generation seems to still be searching for its voice.

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  9. Long form presentation by bsartist · · Score: 3, Funny

    At 3+ hours, The Fellowship of the Ring gives new meaning to the term "long form presentation." ;-)

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  10. Re:I'm glad Ian McLeod didn't read anything by bsartist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm glad to see the Nebula voters have voted for right-thinking, American-proud authors like Gaimain

    LOL! Neil Gaiman is British.

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  11. Re:Newflash by RickHunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And IMHO, its found it in Wil McCarthy. If you haven't read The Collapsium, do so now. Reasonably hard science fiction by someone who can actually write? Sign me up!

    Seriously, there's a lot of good new science fiction and space opera authors popping up recently. Some good fantasy authors too. Most are still finding their way and struggling to stand out amidst the tide of mindless Tolkien clones and talentless hacks, but they are there. And then there's older space opera/sci-fi authors, like Bujold, that're still doing good work. I think the '90s was the slow decade, and what we're seeing now is a resurgance.

    As for TV, give up on the American networks already. They haven't produced anything worthwhile since Next Generation and Babylon-5, and they're not going to anytime soon. Not while they treat the viewer as an inconvenient obstacle between them and their money and use legislation instead of innovation to protect their revenue. Turn to Japan for your sci-fi TV fix, and watch shows like Crest of the Stars (and Banner of the Stars, and the other soon-to-follow sequel series), Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Gundam, Macross, and the new Ghost in the Shell TV series.

    (Anime sci-fi shows named off the top of my head. There's a couple dozen other great ones you can find if you look.)

  12. Re:I'm glad Ian McLeod didn't read anything by etigidy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, Ken McLeod wrote Cosmonaut Keep. I haven't read it, but I imagine it can't be too different in political views from his other books like Stone Canal and The Cassini Division, both of which I didn't enjoy. Ian McLeod wrote other stuff, which I've never read.

  13. Charles Stross by smugfunt · · Score: 3, Informative
    Nominations for the Best Novelette Category
    (377 people submitted nominations for 149 novelettes)

    "Halo" by Charles Stross (Asimov's 6/02)


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  14. Re:Vote for firefly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Nebula Awards are selected by the writers themselves.

    The Hugo Awards are awarded by members of that year's World Science Fiction Convention, which this year is Torcon 3 in Toronto.

    If you just want to vote without attending the convention, you can buy a supporting membership. It's rather pricey ($40 US), but you get some other perqs. The attending membership is $185 US.

    I went to the Chicago Worldcon a few years back. It was a blast! Expensive, but fun.

  15. Farscape and Others Forgotten by derrickh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Enterprise gets 2 nominations and Whedon gets 3?
    How about dumping the Trek spinoffs and put a couple of episodes of Farscape in. I'll put 'Prayer' up agaist 'Night in SickBay' any day of the week. And 'Carbon Creek' pales up against 'Kansas'.

    Also, this shows you how important mindshare is. By many peoples account, Firefly was a show with potential, but it wasn't really good yet. But Whedon's name on it made people believe that it has to be great and deserves an award.

    Solaris was easily the most 'sci-fi' movie of the year but Spiderman gets a nod instead?

    D

    1. Re:Farscape and Others Forgotten by Khomar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, Firefly was already quite good in its first season. The acting and writing was very good, and the crew really had excellent chemistry. It is true that the show did not really have a strong plot (it was just starting to get into the main story), but the characters were already well defined and joy to watch. There was a good amount of mystery that definitely added to the enjoyment. Unfortunately, we will never get to see where they were going.

      I have over the years watched less and less television due to the poor quality of the nearly every show until Firefly came along. I did not watch it because of Whedon. I had very little experience with any of his shows, and being somewhat anit-vampires, his name was actually more of a detriment in my mind (misguided or not). I watched the show because I was hoping to find a good sci-fi show that I could really get into, and I did. In my mind, the quality of the show had little to do with names but rather the care put into the dialog, the attention to detail (no sound in space), and the incredible acting and chemistry (especially for a first season). Its really too bad that Firefly is gone for good.

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  16. Re:Newflash by Tycho · · Score: 2, Informative

    One relatively new author that I like is Alastair Reynolds. He is a scientist who works for the ESA currently and he is a reasonably good writer too. However, he is British and his books are generally released about a year earlier in the UK than in the US. His first two books "Revalation Space" and "Chasm City" are reasonably easy to find in the US. His third book "Redemption Ark" should be out in June in the US.

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  17. Re:Umm where's Alias? Whatever. by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd have a hard time calling Alias sci-fi. The only sci-fi aspects (rather then fairly realistic and current science) are the Rambaldi storylines, and given what we've seen so far, I'm more inclined to call that fantasy then sci-fi.

    It's a hard call because that storyline is so small and not-well exposited (to keep it mysterious) that you can't get a "feel" for it. I call it fantasy because right now the artifacts are basically working like magic, returning life to long-dead things and so on.

    I admit that my current #1 theory to explain Rambaldi is that he is indeed a space alien who couldn't or wouldn't go home, but that's my theory, not official show theory. ;-)

  18. bah! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I put down Cosmonaut Keep. It was just ridiculously silly and blatantly attacking America. I myself strongly criticize America, my home, because it is deserving of a lot of criticism with freedoms being abridged recklessly by some. But that book was ridiculous, and McLeod's socialist ideas were... juvenile.

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  19. I feel really old :-( by esconsult1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I grew up reading Niven, Blish, Asimov, Silverberg Vance and others. Its kinda hard for me to start reading some of the new masters, not because I wouldn't like them, but maybe because I'm too lazy to explore new books (yeah, I know that's bad).

    But my dilemma is this, I've read all Sci-Fi/Fantasy from Asimov, Niven, Vance, but have not yet finished all the works of the old masters.

    Can any younger (or at least more flexible) Slashdot reader suggest a few authors that they've read and liked? I don't want to get into serials right now, perhaps something that is sort of standalone would be better as an introduction to a new author, I think.

    1. Re:I feel really old :-( by SquadBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "and others" leaves a lot of room but I'll try.

      David Drake - Great Military SF.

      Jerry Pournelle - But I'm sure he is one of the "others".

      John Ringro - I just started on some of his stuff and he is *good*.

      Neal Stephenson - Great just plain great.

      David Brin, Greg Bear,

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    2. Re:I feel really old :-( by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm also an old-school sci-fi reader, but there are a lot of relatively new authors that have very good books.

      I'm not sure what you call old scifi. I put in that category authors not because I think their stories looks like watching 2001, but because I grew knowing them so I don't remember when I first read something from them. In that category I put maybe modern writers like Greg Bear, Samuel Delany, Daniel Keyes, John Brunner or Alfred Bester, and all of them have good books.

      For a list of what I have in my bookshelf from not "old" writers and I think that are pretty good, I should say:

      • Orson Scott Card: is a good one, and I must add to his good books Treason. I don't think that the rest of the Ender serie is as good as the first book, but anyway is a good reading.
      • Iain Banks: I read from him part of the Culture series, and is very good.
      • Julian May: The saga in the pliocene is pretty good.
      • Dan Simmons: I'm not read a log from him, but Hyperion is between my preferred books books.
      • John Varley: you must read "the persistence of vision" or whatever is called in english :-)
      • Terry Pratchett: Is not exactly sci-fi, not exactly fantasy, not exactly humor, but is a good mix of all of this.
      • Gregory Benford: have a good serie on the galactic centre, not sure about other books from he.
    3. Re:I feel really old :-( by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Informative

      To my amazement, no-one has mentioned Vernor Vinge yet. His last two novels, _A Fire Upon The Deep_ and _A Deepness In The Sky_ are absolutely superb. They both won both Hugo and Nebula, iirc.

      Another author I like is Greg Egan. Try _Diaspora_ and/or _Permutation City_. His ideas are way out there, but always very interesting.

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    4. Re:I feel really old :-( by IvyMike · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, you should check out the Internet Top 100 SF/Fantasy List, which does contain many of the classics you've read, but also has a lot of newer authors you haven't read. It also usually has a number of classics from authors such as Lem and Strugatsky that you may not know.

      I agree with most of the suggestions given in this thread so far. I'd also suggest looking into: "Diaspora", Greg Egan; "A Fire Upon The Deep", Vernor Vinge; The Book of the New Sun series by Gene Wolfe.

  20. Re:American Gods - Highly Overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    But the reason that American Gods didn't make the Hugo Award nominees list this year is because it won the Hugo Award last year. It also won the Bram Stoker award from the Horror Writers Association.

    I thought it was a brilliant book that demanded a lot and gave a lot back. Also Ghodammned funny.

  21. hugo nomination by kissmachine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ha! hey there -- so my husband and pals read slashdot regularly and one of his buddies messaged me in SILC to tell me about this post. all you people who hasn't read SF since the old greats should read my book (it's a finalist for best related book). it's called better to have loved: the life of judith merril. she was my grandmother, known as the little mother of science fiction. more info

  22. FYI: SF's Trade Paper by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 4, Informative
    To follow the Nebula race or pretty much anything about the SF or Fantasy trade, you just can't beat LocusMag, the online version of Locus. Some reviews (the print version is known for the most exhaustive reviews of SF - anything printed anywhere gets at least a mention), but the big emphasis is on fandom, awards (not just the Hugos & Nebulas), opening and closing of new markets, and ongoing trends (check out this piece on how SARS, war, and economic changes are turning our world into one that SF readers will find familiar).

    It also has a disturbingly complete necrology of recently deceased members of the SF community. It seems like every other headline is "So & so dies," but that's to be expected with all the graying pulp era artists, writers, and fans.

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  23. My take on Stephenson's work by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    One caveat with Stephenson - "Big U" is an interesting attempt to satarize a behemoth of a university, probably his first book. He hadn't developed his amazing chops yet. I worship the man, but I think he'd agree this is not worth the time.

    Zodiac was pretty good. Strong narrative, some good characters. You can see the emergence of some geek-friendly themes. It lacks the absolute truckloads of storytelling talent he lavishes on subsequent books, but for many writers this would be their best book ever.

    Snow Crash was AMAZING. Has the aforementioned truckloads. Very funny, surprising consistency all the way through. Nothing sacrificed for a laugh, but many of them fit. And a fine backdrop of whimsical neurolinguistic mysticism driving it. Great characters. Absolutely great. Each is hip - or wants to be - in a different way. It's male dominated, but there is a very strong female character that feels real, like the author has actually met a female in person. Even minor characters are fully fleshed out in a few deft strokes.

    Diamond Age - AMAZING Very good at pulling heartstrings, fascinating look at nanotach. More of a "realistic" feel than Snow Crash. (Neither good nor bad in itself, but some readers might find S.C. too enjoyable/easy)

    Cryptonomicon - awesome. Staggering. (Especially if you have to carry it a long way) This is a more complex narrative, with two sets of characters in two time periods. Amazingly, they fit together and not just at a tangent point. It is rich with historical insight, and it has tons of stuff for those who get a hard-on for computer security.

    On a side note - I may have spotted him at Norwescon this weekend. Not really sure. I happened to be raving about him at the time and may have invoked him.

  24. Re:Greg Bear by RickHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd disagree about Eon, though that's most likely me getting fed up with cold-war-era sci-fi at about the time I read it. Some interesting ideas, but I think the writing quality was poor. I agree about avoiding Anvil of Stars - avoid, avoid, avoid! Slant is also pretty bad, it reads like an attempt to jump onto the nanotech/biotech bandwagon of the time. Songs of Earth and Power was amazing, but its really fantasy, not sci-fi. Still, its a great story, with some very interesting ideas.

    Bear's amazing when he allows himself to be himself. (Songs, Moving Mars) When he tries to jump on a trend (Anvil, Slant), he sucks.