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Darth Vader Sculpture on Washington National Cathedral

Michael Breeden writes "Star Wars has apparently taken another step in becoming part of our national history. The Washington National Cathedral, during its expansion, has placed a sculpture of Darth Vader's head into the carvings around one of the exterior arches. This space is normally reserved for grotesques (gargoyles), and ol' Darth seems to have fit the bill. "

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  1. Google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Google cache

    Posting anon to avoid Karma whoring.

  2. Google Cache by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2, Informative
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  3. Darth's been there for a while by robsimmon · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure the Darth Vader Gargoyle has been there for ~20 years. I've looked for it a few times, but never found it. Now I'll know where it is!

  4. Nothing new--it's been there since the 1980s by juanfe · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Darth gargoyle was carved and placed on the Cathedral in the 1980s--it was carved by master sculptor Palumbo (RIP) by a young lad who received honorable mention in a "Design-a-gargoyle" contest sponsored by World magazine (National Geographic for children).

    The winner was a smiling gargoyle toting an umbrella.

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  5. Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mirros:

    Archive.org mirror:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20020607183738 /http://w ww.cathedral.org/cathedral/discover/darth.shtml

    Google archive:
    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:1ir xapSYQmgC: www.cathedral.org/cathedral/discover/darth.shtml+& hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    Not much faster, though. Wasn't this posted a long time ago?

  6. News? by blamanj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Isn't this about 15 years out of date? The gargoyle was put up in the 80's. (There was a children's competition to design new gargoyles. Darth made it up there along with a raccoon and some other less threatening images.)

  7. Stone 'easter eggs' by upstateguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The national cathedral has many unique gargoyles, that's typical of the medieval style actually. Since many of them could never be seen except (in the pre-binocular/telescope age) the carvers, they could sculpt bosses they hated, cultural figures, politicians, etc. There was an issue of Smithsonian magazine that described some of them (the artists were left to their own will, mostly, on what they could put up there). There's undoubtedly a number more of these little "easter eggs" put in those doing the construction.

    And it's a nice complement to the chunk of moon rock in the 'creation' stained glass window there also.

  8. Re: I'm speechless by Servants · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was a competition for children to design a bit of sculpture for the cathedral. Personally, I think this choice is great: I suspect it's high and out-of-the-way enough, and similar enough to other random gargoyles, that you'll miss it unless you look carefully and think, "Hey, wait a minute..."

    I also enjoyed their rationale. Heh. It's even sort of true, if you replace "evil" with "mythical monsters".

    "Centuries ago, on our cathedrals, grotesques were intended to symbolize the evil that existed outside the church. Today, Darth Vader is an excellent example of evil in our times."

  9. Why it's there...(from the Google cache) by tmhsiao · · Score: 5, Informative

    As Washington National Cathedral approached completion, the west towers rose towards the sky, striking toward heaven. During the building a startling idea was hatched: hold a competition for children to design decorative sculpture for the Cathedral.

    Word of the competition was spread nationwide through National Geographic World Magazine. The third-place winner was Christopher Rader, with his drawing of that fearful villain, Darth Vader. The fierce head was sculpted by Jay Hall Carpenter, carved by Patrick J. Plunkett and placed high upon the northwest tower of the Cathedral...

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  10. Vader was there long, long ago... by yar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recall reading about the Darth Vader inclusion back in the 1980s. ^^ It's not something new; he was actually included by a fairly famous sculptor during that time. You can see his bio and a picture of Vader here:
    http://www.stoneguild.com/m_plunkett.htm

  11. Re:I'm speechless by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why would they carve a Darth Vader into the arches?...Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why this was done?

    Despite the writeup, I don't believe this story is remotely new. During the later construction, the designers held a contest for children to design gargoyles. The third-place winner designed a Darth Vader figure. It was probably up when you visited.

    Incidentally, it's perfectly in keeping with the practices of European and older American cathedrals, just much less old.

  12. Re:I'm speechless by utahjazz · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTA:

    As Washington National Cathedral approached completion, the west towers rose towards the sky, striking toward heaven. During the building a startling idea was hatched: hold a competition for children to design decorative sculpture for the Cathedral.

    Darth Vader Drawing
    Word of the competition was spread nationwide through National Geographic World Magazine. The third-place winner was Christopher Rader, with his drawing of that fearful villain, Darth Vader. The fierce head was sculpted by Jay Hall Carpenter, carved by Patrick J. Plunkett and placed high upon the northwest tower of the Cathedral...


    To see pics, go here Google Image Search

    You can also search on 'cathedral kid' in Google Images, the kid that drew it is about half way down.

  13. Re:Gargoyles and Vader are NOT at all alike! by Stargoat · · Score: 2, Informative
    Gargolyes are not protectors. You've been watching too many cartoons. Gargolyes were, originally, stone statues designed to remind the illiterate masses exactly what would happen to them if they were to disobey the church. In modern times (last two hundred years), there has been a trend to humorize them. There are deans at Oxford who have been memorialized with gargolyes on the chapel there. Similiar gargolyes can be found elsewhere.

    In this case though, I've not seen the picture mind you, but gargolyes, I believe technically, are water spouts. So in this case, being technically correct, Mr. Vader is probably a grotesque.

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  14. Someone just noticed this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The sculpture has been there for years. I first saw it on my first tour of the Cathedral back in 1996.

  15. Re:Darth Vader ... What about a Klingon head? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Do not mix your science fiction, you fucktard.

  16. Mirror by BuffJoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    When in doubt, use The Internet archive. It works wonders, and it archives images (unlike Google Cache).

    Darth Vader at National Cathedral Mirror.

  17. Article Text by BuffJoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    As Washington National Cathedral approached completion, the west towers rose towards the sky, striking toward heaven. During the building a startling idea was hatched: hold a competition for children to design decorative sculpture for the Cathedral.

    Word of the competition was spread nationwide through National Geographic World Magazine. The third-place winner was Christopher Rader, with his drawing of that fearful villain, Darth Vader. The fierce head was sculpted by Jay Hall Carpenter, carved by Patrick J. Plunkett and placed high upon the northwest tower of the Cathedral...

    To Find Darth Vader you have to leave the building through the ramp entrance. This is located at the northwest corner of the nave, through the double wooden doors of Lincoln Bay. Go down the ramp, and step into the parking lot. Then, turn around and look back up at the tower closest to you. He is almost impossible to see without the assistance of binoculars.

    Way way way up, almost at the top of the tower is a gablet, or small peaked roof, located between the two huge louvered arches. At the bottom of each slope of this gablet is a carved grotesque. Darth Vader is on the north, or right-hand, side. There is a carved skull situated on a gablet much closer to the ground which many people often mistake for Darth Vader. From this skull, Darth Vader is up and to the left.

  18. Re:This violates the separation of church and stat by howardjp · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't exactly news. This was done at least ten years ago. Darth Vader is a standard depiciton of evil. There is also a grotesque of Adolf Hitler on one of the towers at the National Cathedral (I live about a mile away from it...)

  19. Re:On a similar note by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 4, Informative

    (It's true! Pity I don't have a link)

    I do.
    (Also see Google.)

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  20. Re:Fastest Slashdot effect in history by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
    It's not a new page, it's in the Wayback Machine, archived from Feb 4th 2002.

    Slashdot -- if it's not a dupe, it's old, or ripped from The Register. Or all three.

  21. This just in by spakka · · Score: 1, Informative

    Satan was Jesus's father

  22. WayBack machine by mahdi13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those that want to read the article but can't due to the slashdotting...

    Darth Vader It's slow, but works,
    Link brought to you by archive.org
    Then here's the text only version...

    About Darth Vader As Washington National Cathedral approached completion, the west towers rose towards the sky, striking toward heaven. During the building a startling idea was hatched: hold a competition for children to design decorative sculpture for the Cathedral.

    Darth Vader Drawing (img.)
    Word of the competition was spread nationwide through National Geographic World Magazine. The third-place winner was Christopher Rader, with his drawing of that fearful villain, Darth Vader. The fierce head was sculpted by Jay Hall Carpenter, carved by Patrick J. Plunkett and placed high upon the northwest tower of the Cathedral...

    Newspaper Clipping (img.)

    Darth Vader Location (img.)

    To Find Darth Vader you have to leave the building through the ramp entrance. This is located at the northwest corner of the nave, through the double wooden doors of Lincoln Bay. Go down the ramp, and step into the parking lot. Then, turn around and look back up at the tower closest to you. He is almost impossible to see without the assistance of binoculars.

    Way way way up, almost at the top of the tower is a gablet, or small peaked roof, located between the two huge louvered arches. At the bottom of each slope of this gablet is a carved grotesque. Darth Vader is on the north, or right-hand, side. There is a carved skull situated on a gablet much closer to the ground which many people often mistake for Darth Vader. From this skull, Darth Vader is up and to the left.

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  23. Re:This violates the separation of church and stat by arivanov · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is the entire clan:

    For example - George Bush without the "W". Quote (from a 1999 interview): "I trully believe that an atheist cannot be a citizen of this great country".

    So is his favourite pet Tony B. He got asked the question about his support for creationism in the house of commons and he could not answer.

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  24. It's hard to see without binoculars by sean000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I live around the corner from the National Cathedral, and let me tell you that Vader is not easy to spot. A few years ago I remember a kid walking around the cathedral grounds handing out photocopies of hand-drawn instructions telling you how to spot the Sith-lord. I tried to follow, but never could find him. I wasn't sure if the kid was was telling the truth, until I went into the Cathedral's gift shop and found a book of gargoyles with Darth Vader featured next to another icon familiar with the dark side: A lawyer carrying a briefcase. If you ever visit the Cathedral, bring your binoculars and plan to spend some time searching the highest towers. He's way up there.

  25. Re:Fastest Slashdot effect in history by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
    See also this page (dated 1991!)
    In designing a gargoyle or grotesque at the Cathedral Medieval Workshop, participants learn that these monster-like forms were intended to look horrible because in the Middle Ages people believed they kept evil spirits away. Aside from their spiritual duties these strange creatures help prevent water from staining the limestone walls of the cathedral; the gargoyles spout it out of their mouths, while the grotesques just let it run off the tops of their heads or the tips of their noses. Plaster examples of modern grotesques -- Darth Vader, a raccoon, and a girl with a mouthful of braces -- loom over the workshop. These modern grotesques were designed by kids in National Geographic World Magazine's "Draw a Grotesque" contest. Sagacious Grotesque, the contest winner, shows a beast huddled under an umbrella trying to protect itself and the cathedral from rain.
    Also, the link mentioned by an earlier poster, Plunkett, at the Stone Carver's Guild has actual images of the Vader gargoyle, which the original article does not. This also says "Mr. Plunkett remained at Washington Cathedral until its completion and dedication in 1990", so it appears thsi "news that matters" is over 12 years old.
  26. Re:Fastest Slashdot effect in history by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
    And here is some info on the origin of the Darth grotesque (not gargoyle), from some essay cribbing site, which is unsourced but seems likely.
    Washington National Cathedral has 107 carved stone gargoyles. No one has ever tried to count all of the grotesques - there are just too many ! The correct technical name for a grotesque is buttress gablet termination stone carving. Most of our gargoyles were carved on the ground and installed later, when the construction reached the proper height. However, a few were actually carved in place, or in situ.

    Many of our grotesques are actually beautiful angels. There are two hundred and eighty-eight (288) on the west tower pinnacles alone.

    Four of the grotesques were designed by kids! In 1984 National Geographic World magazine held a draw-a-grotesque contest. The winners:

    • sagacious grotesque,
    • Bertha's braces,
    • raccoon on lookout, and
    • Darth Vader.
    All are placed high on the northwest tower, but you can see them with binoculars.
    So this breaking news is actually 19 years old...
  27. Re: I'm speechless by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is correct; I lived pretty close to the cathedral for a few years; gorgeous place. The Vader sculpture isn't just out of the way; it's very high on one of the outside walls on the side of the building. Even with small binoculars, it's difficult to find if you haven't seen it before. It's been there for years and, yes, was the result of a grade school competition. During the renovation, there were pamphlets that directed you how to find the sculpture. I don't know if they still pass them out (I've moved) but anyone that works there could probably point it out to you.

  28. A close up by gripdamage · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can't acutally see the Darth sculpture on the page linked to in the article anyway. It just shows a picture of Darth Vader from Star Wars and a diagram pointing to his location on the Cathedral face. Here is a picture of statue itself before it was put in place.