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Forbes.com has a quick look at Wi-Fi-enabled VOIP phone. If a company deploys it in more than one location you can take the phone with you, and it acts just like the phone on your desk. Calls across the country or potentially across the ocean can be as free as a call across the office. There's also plans to incorporate support for wireless phone networks.
Using high speed networks to get first post.
And so will thease new VOip have the same backdoors in as cisco say they will build into their other products :-(
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Hey... now I can drive around town and make calls to China with someone else's WAN connection....
... wait... you mean it's not going to drive their bills sky-high? Pffffff! What's the point, then? :)
Information on the release date, and other info was posted on this /. posting from a two weeks ago.
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Phones without cords? What is this world coming to?
I wonder if it's compatible with this phone?
-Colin
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First we could sit in front of someone's office and surf all the p0rn we wanted for free.
:)
And now to out do this....
We can make all the 900 number calls we want!
Sweeeet!!!!
I think those guys from Homeland Security who said that Wi-Fi was the next big threat are just jelous. We get free p0rn, and free p0rn phone calls...they dont even get the First we could sit in front of someone's office and surf all the p0rn we wanted for free.
And now to out do this....
We can make all the 900 number calls we want!
Sweeeet!!!!
I think those guys from Homeland Security who said that Wi-Fi was the next big threat are just jelous. We get free p0rn, and free p0rn phone calls...they dont even get the curtosy of a reach around
Finally the time has come for affordable IP phones (as Cisco announced a $130 desktop IP phone as well). The technology to make all this useful has been developed over the last couple of years, and as much as this is being touted for the enterprise, it will impact the consumer market as well. I'm already using a Cisco 7960 hooked up to my DSL, using a SIP enabled router (Intertex IX66) to call people all over the world (for free!).
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I for one welcome the day that VoIP can be a reality,
but let's face it, with the ammount of data that it requires, a WiFi enabled VoIP call would just eat up the bandwidth that others need to use to do their work. let's focus on bringing sellular technology to the IP network, rather than the other way around.
Moo.
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At $595 a handset I'd be a sucker not to buy a dozen
I tried a VOIP service before; I believe it was MSN or something. Anyway, my biggest problem was dropped sections of the call -- I would start talking and the person on the other end would miss some parts of my talking. It was endlessly annoying, and I ended up not using it anymore.
Dropped calls were also very common, as well as lag, even though I'm on a very reliable and fast connection.
I can only imagine this working if these kinks can be worked out. Has anyone used a VOIP service before that works better than that?
Will this have any impact on traditional phone companies?
I was wondering when somebody was going to invent a kind of "Mobile Phone". Imagine being able to make calls from whereever you like? Its an amazing idea - I can throw away my 100 ft telephone extension cable now! I hope these "Mobile Phones" catch on!
What they need to do now is create a hybrid cell/wi-fi/VoIP phone with bluetooth that can auto-sense where it is in relation to your desk and/or office building.
When at your desk, your wired desk phone rings. When in the hallway/bathroom/break room, your wireless phone rings. When outside the building, calls are forwarded to your cell number on the same device.
You would be able to customize each of the 3 zones (office, building, world) with its own call-handling rule set. Higher-end models would also auto-sense when you were in the bathroom, so you could avoid those embarrasing moments without thinking twice.
"The devices will start shipping in June with a list price of about $595 a handset."
;)
Wow, that's a costly phone..
"Sir, I think that we can save the company money by NOT buying those expensive phones and just letting employees actually return their voicemails when they get to the office. No need to spend $595 per phone just to bug people when they're on lunch!"
I'm looking for a pic of some guy with a big-exposed asshole....and I'm not talking about that asshole timmothy.
What happens if someone intercepts the wi-fi traffic? So much for privacy...
I had this phone to play with at work last thursday and friday. I was very impressed with it compared to the spectralink phones we currently have. It did do a lockup/reboot on me once though. Otherwise, great phone!
...a wi-fi voip have to do with free overseas calls? Voip gives you that already. The additional property of being wi-fi doesn't add that capability; any voip phone does that. Not well, but it does it.
Right now the phone will only work in travel mode when you are connected to your own companies network. The next step would be to have a vpn client embedded in the phone, this way it can be used anywhere there is a wifi signal.
Symbol had a similar product several years years ago. I believe it was called "NetVision", and at the time it ran on 2 m-bit/sec 802.11. I believe they've since updated it to run on 802.11b at 11 m-bit/sec.
There's also the Symbol NetVision Phone available now. Hopefully they're compatible in more than name only.
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I use vonage business VoIP services. I have calls drop and poor sound quality as is, now if I brought the unpredictability of Wi-Fi connections into play, it would only get worse.
VoIP is still not a complete solution, at least not for reliable service just yet, IMHO. Unless you go with a dedicated network. Services like vonage are affordable, but they use the net and are vulnerable to the usual traffic issues, etc...
As mentioned in the previous post: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=61207&cid=5758 604
Symbol has had VoIP phones that work with Nortel, Cisco and Mitel IP PBXes for a while. They even have ones with barcode scanners and the like in them.
Calum
But wander from your desk long enough and chances are high that you'll come back to a telephone with that red voice-mail light glowing, meaning you've missed a call.
Sometimes that's the whole idea.
The coolest voice ever.
I just can't help to wonder if IP phones will be the driving force behind IPv6. Millions of phones need their IP numbers. Of course it can be used with NATs and VPNs, but a real IP number would make much more sense.
J.
I think it'd be kinda cool to have VOIP networks at the office that yield more insntantaneous communications.
Right now my company's building a couple of systems and we've got ppl running around all over the place. It's hard to reach people at their desks. It'd be kinda cool if we had a form of walkie talkie with a list of ppl we wanna talk to on it, tap their name and start talking. Beats using cell phones, plus we only bug the particular person we wanna bug. (as opposed to having broadcast convos over a walkie-talkie...)
It's not something we'd spend a whole lotta money on right now as it's not solving that big of problem (small office...) but if we did have it it'd be a huge help. I'd like to call over to the guy in charge of the database just to ask a quick question rather than run to the other side of the office with the error message I'm seeing memorized.
Well I can dream.
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Vocera -- it was probably mentioned on /. 3 or 4 times last week.
Don't MOST VoIP services do pretty much the same thing, in this case allow you to get calls near dirt cheap no matter where you go, as long as the device is plugged into a Broadband connection.
Granted this is "WiFi" I doubt that it is overall that much of a improvement, seeing as you'd need to make your laptop WiFi on your trips, (or as this article says have WiFi in both locations you go. [And what about air travel then....]) if you planned to take this thing with you.
All in all it seems better to just get the phones that are cat5-ed to your laptop/BB connection.
okay people, yes there are dupes, yes you will have to learn to accept them, but everyone does NOT need to run around yelling "DUPE" every time a story is published on the same topic. This, if you read the article, is an OBVIOUS follow up, I mean even the /. preview reads like a follow-up. Come on, read the article before you complain. And a +1 informative AND a +1 funny, come on mods! I hope they nail you in meta-mod.
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Scenario
1. The router (or gateway or something) dies so no email. Ok, I'll use the phone. Whoops.
2. Have a fire that knocked out power, got to call the FD. Whoops.
I'll wait.
Nate
You'd need to drag out some type of hardware on your plane trips, because WiFi isn't really going to be big in Boeings with Connexion until 2004.
Unless it is ideal to miss those important business calls...
Or more legitimately that call from the ex-spouse.....
Cisco may be able to make lots of money on corporate accounts with an initial version of this, but if IP telephony catches on, then this sort of thing will just become a commodity, sold at cut-rate prices alongside Linksys wireless gateways (with VOIP) and non-name USB 802.11b dongles.
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If he's got a Wi-Fi phone, you damned-skippity I'm gettin' one too!
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Did the original poster realize that you need a Catalyst switch and a bunch of other expensive Cisco software to get this thing working?!
Granted, compared to a large scale Merdiain 1 implementation it ain't expensive, but it's not quite as simple as buying a $595 phone and a WiFi base station!
-psy
Here's an interesting paper http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mannionh/WirelessLAN. pdf on an architecture for wireless LAN access for mobile phone operators
how many different channels do you need? FRS (family radio service) walkie talkies are really cheap, very clear, and you can adjust them for a lot of different channels, and have headsets with voice activated microphones. I have several of them, work great over here on the estate where I work, get around a 1/4 mile or so open, not sure inside a building though.
Did I mention cheap? I got two in a blister pack at a thrifstore for 5$ once, some sort of scratch and dent/closeout deal. I imagine if you shop around on the net you can find some deals, like a case of them at a bulk price. You'll go through batteries so invest in some rechargeable nicads of appropriate size (usually AA or AAA) and charging stations though. I even modded one of them into a "base station" by using a ratshack dc to dc power converter (12 to 6vdc) and a little wiring action inside the batt compartment, so I can run it off the 12 volt circuits I have here.
the goverment has always been able to monito phone conversations, be them cell OR normal landlines.
they don't just 'tap in' to the landline going to your house, they issue a warrant(or whatever is needed in the country in question) and have the phone company record the calls. as such it doesn't matter if the phone is landline, celly, or whatever in todays world (that is, digital world, the call isn't practically crypted when it's off the air, they can do whatever they please with it). and as a fact most new phones don't have gps built in, but that doesn't matter since the locating works well enough even without them(somebody other posted a link in a reply, but iirc you figure it out from information where the gsm access points are and the delays to each one of them that are nearby)
you dont like it? buy one of those devices that scramble your voice(encrypt it, theres such products out there), and buy one for everyone you call too. use paid-in-advance-no-names-involved sim cards and stolen phones, only phone outside your house.
chances are that you could arrange much more private conversation with such voip systems(and you wouldnt have to trust some middleman, like phone company).
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Its over ip, Ever hear of a packet sniffer... VOIP is cool, but is being taken a little too far. Voice/Video should be seperate from the data networks. ME.
Opening my access point so a dork in his car can surf? Yawn. Opening my access point so I can say Fu#$ You to SBC? Oh YES!!!!! When these things get real I'll put an 802.11 antenna on the roof and a sign in the yard!
With a VoIP system you can pretty much call any phone number and talk for free. Problem, how do they call you back? Your on a VoIP network, not a POTS network. If you call an ANAC to get your ANI your not going to get anything back (identified number your calling from). If everyone and their brother get this and dont have phone numbers, who are we going to call?
;)
I cant see the day we dial "68.110.58.213:5304", besides theres no period on my keypad.
I can already imagine the voicemail greetings of the future...
"You've reached the phone of Dave Melee, I'm not at my desk...err...I'm not at the office...errr...I don't want to...talk? Can't I just have a few minutes to hit the john? STOP SMOTHERING ME!!!! [beep]
Since the start of Wi-Fi networks people can now sniff out networks for free unlocked Wi-Fi and do War Driving. Now can we can thank Cisco for a possible revival of Phone Phreaking at the expense of the owner of the network.
Spectralink has been doing this for a while now. In fact it was the only VOIP wireless phone that Cisco had for a while. With the right firmware it's seamless with the Call Manager.
In addition, they have several gateways that will allow their phones to work with virtually any PBX out there, analog or digital.
I can testify that their phones are very tough. I've seen them thrown across the room. The battery pops off - put it back and fire up the phone, no problems.
The Avaya 3606 is an 802.11b phone. They bouth it from SpectraLink. They're pretty slick.
Thats alot for a cordless phone. Sure the number follows you around your network even if you are in a different institution or even a different country. But since we are talking about IP, wouldnt it be just as easy to go to your sister office, grab an unused phone, and re-map the extension to your office?
These phones are useless unless you have a complete Cisco "solution". They use Cisco only protocol(s) and don't interoperate with H.323 or SIP systems.
what ever happened to codless phones?
Didn't cisco recently release details about some features in their new routers that would enable seamless, undetecable "wiretapping" of IP traffic by law encorcement / router admins?
Now they're intent on making VoIP ubiquitous. Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist or anything.
From the article: But wander from your desk long enough and chances are high that you'll come back to a telephone with that red voice-mail light glowing, meaning you've missed a call.
Oh no! You've MISSED a call! Oh, horrors! Just think, you were discussing unwinding a recursion on a whiteboard in the hallway with a coworker, doing a walkthrough of some code on the lawn, or typing up nearly 500 new lines of code in the last hour while the ringer was muted. And you MISSED a call. Your productivity was dangerously high---just think what your phone could've done to cure that!
I'll just use WiFi for email, thank you.
Calls across the country or potentially across the ocean can be as free as a call across the office.
Sure, because we all know trans-oceanic bandwidth is free, right?
Spoke H.323 and allowed you to call by IP addr as well as by E.164 address. Spoke 802.11b.
So, this isn't really a new idea. Just Cisco's edition.
Poof.
Cisco make SIP software available for their IP-phones. So you can choose between Cisco proprietary and SIP. See this link
Were you hoping for a URL?
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Such a device would be very nice as long as the battery life is decent
It really shouldn't take much to add VOIP capability to PDA's that are WIFI-enabled. Just softare + microphone (if it doesn't already have one), right?
How much cost would this feature actually add to PDAs like Palm Tungsten C?
Wanted to post this one, but that would be a dupe ;-)
This really brings to mind the question of tariffs and how local and long distance areas work. Speficially related to the VPN connection back to the office...
So you could be in New York using a phone with a Los Angeles local calling area. Or if your company had offices in both locations, could you expand your phone's local calling area to both locations?
How to most inter-office connected phone systems work now?
How does this relate to cell phone local calling patterns?
-Pete
What I want to know is how the phone handles handoffs to other Wi-fi nodes and whether it can roam around a campus environment. If you start to lose the signal on one node and pick up another, you get a new IP Address through DHCP... How does the phone system handle this? In order for this system to work, it has to be able to roam across wireless nodes.
I work for Nortel Networks. We have been partnering with Symbol to do this for over a year. The Symbol phones(http://www.symbol.com/products/wireless/nv_ phone.html)use H.323 and work with our Succession IP telephony systems(http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/ succession/es/succession_cse.html). Of course it doesn't count 'til Cisco does it.
This is no different from any other phone system. As long as you're smart enough to put your switches and router on a UPS, you will have no problems. You see, the Cisco IP phone system relies pretty heavily on the use of Cisco powered ethernet switches. The wired models all get their power from the switches, and the Aironet access points you'll need for the WiFi phones also get their power from the switch. So, as long as you're smart enough to put your switches and router on a UPS, you will not have a problem.
The question is not how many bandwidth do you have, it is how do you use it?
QoS is the key. You can make voice work in a very congested link if you turn the right knobs.
Even without QoS-capable routers in your enterprise you can still get good VoIP service even when the LAN backbone is saturated.
Just use a separate branch of the net for the VoIP traffic, with a router or switch (rather than a hub) between that and the rest of the LAN.
Yes that means two Cat5s drops to each cube. But you probably have that anyhow - one for the net, one for the POTS phone. Just recycle the POTS drop for the new VoIP phones.
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