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A Truly Silent Desktop PC
boris writes "The first in a series of turnkey systems seem to be coming through the fence from Hush Technologies. The systems weigh in a little expensive but look to be incredible quality. This is according to the review over at HEXUS.net who have a heap of photos up of the unit as well as an article. Is this finally the step to having a true PC in every living room? HTPC here we come!" These EPIAs are everywhere now; we mentioned the M-100 the other day; less-expensive ready-built systems (in various configurations) are available from SolarPC, too.
Looking over the specs this would be really quite however apart from the hard disk/CD Rom access. As such me being a geek would like to see a versions that could boot over the network and run everything from Ram. OK prehaps its over kill but if you remove all the mechanical bits then your should have somethnig truly quite and very reliable.
I know for a fact that the Via MB are good. I bought one from Mini-ITX and have had it running solidly for about 2 months. No crashes. Nothing. Very Impressed
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If you're going to have no drive, the best solution is probably something like the NCD thin clients.
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The machine looks great and the hardware seems to be extremely well put together but the review misses out on a few key areas.
It's acknowledged that the unit would look great in a lounge or on a hi-fi rack. But nowhere is the video output from the composite and S-Video outputs mentioned.
How easy would it be to get a remote control up and running with the unit? What's the sound quality like? Can the unit drive a high end sound card with the power supply that's supplied?
These are the questions I want answered.
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But a C3?
I can't imagine apple addicts find the comparison to an iMac flattering. Any color you want provided you want silver or black.
And at those prices it seems like you're way better off rolling your own, and either stashing it with the help of longer shielded cables, or one of those wireless setups.
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What's the point of using acronyms when you have to type out the whole phrase anyways?
Actually it'd be something like...
In Soviet Russia...the PC silences YOU
You can hear a faint whir from the fans if you place your ear next to the system, but otherwise they are completely silent.
Furthermore, they are extremely inexpensive. The latest deal on slickdeals.net was a $340 Pentium 4 2.53GHz system with 256MB PC2700 RAM, a 16X DVD-ROM or a 48X CD-RW, 30GB hard drive and 32MB Rage (in an AGP slot so it's upgradable) Slickdeals went so far as to say "You cannot build your own system for less then this."
I see no reason to spend more money on an underpowered EPIA silent system when a Dell can be had for significantly cheaper.
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ntroduction
Possibly the area of greatest interest in the Computing world at present is the Small Form Factor (SFF) PC. They are perfect for a multitude of uses from a replacement for your main pc all the way to a Home Theater PC (HTPC). They have great flexibility due to their size, allowing many new designs to be considered. New to this market are Hush Technologies and they have approached the SFF with one thing in mind, total silence.
They have created a completely passively cooled MiniITX based PC which does away with most of the sources of noise in a normal system and encloses it in a beautifullooking aluminium case. Let's have a look at how good it is in the flesh.
What are the specifications of this PC?
* Via Epia-M 9000: Featuring a 933Mhz VIA C3 CPU
* 256MB of Crucial PC2100 DDR RAM
* 80Gb Seagate Barracuda Hard Disk
* TEAC DVD/CDRW Combo drive
* Morex 55w Power Supply (PSU)
* Dimensions: 37 x36 x 6cm (w,d,h)
* Case material: Aluminium
* Form Factor: MiniITX
The specifications of the system are interesting, the inclusion of the TEAC combo drive is great and the large hard disk allows plenty of storage. I'd prefer 512MB of RAM but 256MB is adequate for the majority of its intended uses. The hard disc itself is renowned for its low noise. It's not totally silent but a lot better than many fixed disks out there. It sacrifices some performance for this but is generally no slouch. Hush provides plenty of options so you can specify the right system for your needs.
I think I should start this review by explaining just what MiniITX form factor motherboards are. The form factor was originally proposed by VIA to be an ultra small form factor, smaller than the FlexATX and MicroATX form factors that were the smallest at the time. The original MiniITX boards were feature rich boards with a CPU soldered onto the board. This was cheap to produce as there was no discrete packaging cost for the integrated processor.
The specifications of the MiniITX form factor state that the board may not be bigger than 170mm x 170mm. As you can see this is tiny when compared to the normal ATX standard.
VIA also aimed to have very low heat output from the MiniITX so it would be more suitable in systems like the Hush. Some of the VIA EPIA series models are passively cooled but unfortunately these are the less powerful models. The higher powered boards require a small heatsink with a 40mm fan and these fans can often be quite noisy so Hush set out to combine the faster EPIA models with a passive cooling system.
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Most often you don't get good-looking !and! silent at the same time.
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same goes for women...
No, the Dell Precision workstations are not "completely silent." They may be stunningly quiet; I don't know, I've never heard one. But "completely silent" is different. It doesn't mean that there's minimal sound, or that the sound is well muffled. It means that no sound is being generated. I have a stack of computers sitting around... the only two that approach "completely silent" are an iBook (using ramdisk, fan off, optical drive not in use) and epia (solid state hard disk, but the damn switching power supply makes an almost-audible noise).
I appreciate that for most people "damn quiet" is good enough. Heck, even for me it is. But "completely silent" is an absolute, and it should be used that way.
I've had this sig for three days.
You'd think that creatives would be the ones Apple would identify as wanting the quiet to think and contemplate.
However buying a PC feels like a real step backwards for me. I am totally socialised to using Mac's in music and now that Logic is no longer supported on the PC it is even harder to consider the switch.
The sooner PCs get silent (like the blessed iMacs) the better...
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I've been watching computers waiting for a combination of:
- Small form factor
- Very Low Power consumption
- Low Price
Much of this has been driven based on the realization that, with the exception of gaming, there is really no practicaly need for the incredible power consumption and heat dissapation of the high end COTS systems. When you consider it, the COTS systems today are very poorly designed because they are entirely dependant upon high speed fans to keep themselves from self distruction. This makes for an a-stable product which happens to be horribly loud and in a social sense, isn't scalable (you can't have 4 of these sitting in a room).Following this new realization that no one really needs a multi GHz processor for surfing, email, servers, and most all of their coding then the idea of a 30 Watt silent processor has some real appeal.
VIA, with thei EPIA and the Mini-ITX motherboards are poised for some real advances on the user community. While not as power independent as a notebook PC, they can be arguable as portable and certainly more convenient for the desktop cube-ville environment.
The other avenue for computer users to move in is the LSTP thin-client workstations like the jammin products. These are small devices with USB, PS/2 ports on the front. This is a new direction
Not intending to get prophetic here, but I really believe that there is need for a product which has a thin-client architecture with the goal of providing only interfaces:
- USB ports, 2-4
- Firewire
With the possibility of providing a single floppy drive or CD-RW and S-Video ports as well. But nothing more is really needed at the user desktop interface anymore. Unfortunately I haven't really seen anything like this at a sane price. I did see a few products which are mini-ITX motherboards installed at the back of flat panels for a single unit. Very wonderful, but not for $1500!!! Everything else would be retained at a single point of access at the server or at a "super station" which might have additional devicees (like CD-RW, S-Video)These are all really excellent devices. Now if someone would please sent me the $300 necessary to buy one I would be very happy! I have a lot of noise in my office.
First Impressions
First impressions count for a lot and with the Hush I wasn't disappointed, the system came in a well packaged and protected box. Opening up the box for the first time I was very surprised when I took the Hush out, it was a very solid piece of metal giving an impression of excellent build quality. The cooling fins on the sides are especially sturdy chunks of aluminium.
I've seen some of the nicest and well built cases in my time but this was something else. This PC would would look perfect next to a video or DVD player. The colour of this particular example wasn't something to write home about, but it was bearable and seeing as you get a choice of colours it's not really an issue. Overall I was very impressed by the system and had good hopes for the performance of it.
The Case
People who know me know will know I'm a case person, that I'm a sucker for a nice looking aluminium case and with the Hush I'm blown away. The pictures of the case really don't do it justice, it's the highest quality case I've yet come across and that includes all the Coolermasters. The fins at the side are very solid and they make a very entertaining noise when you run your hands across them that can get addictive. At the front it's very clean looking, nothing destroys the clean lines unless it's essential to the function. In terms of switch gear and LED's there is only the bare minimum. The power switch is a Bulgin vandal resistant number with blue lighting and those of you in the Modding community will know that these are some of the best looking switches out there. The button action requires a firm push and the switch feedback isn't the greatest but the blue glow the switch makes up for it in spades. The switch means that no power LED is required as the blue glow shows instantly that it's on. This is quite important as the case is so silent, you cant tell its on by listening. Above the switch is a tiny hole for the hard disk LED which is red in colour, I'd have preferred a blue LED but that's just me being fussy.
From the pictures you can see that the optical drive at the front is not your normal 5.25 drive, rather it's a laptop style one taking up a lot less room, thus allowing the case to be lower in profile. The drive is painted to make the drive fit in perfectly with the case and it's very good to see that Hush have thought of these little details, many manufacturers would just throw a beige or black drive in without thinking.
In terms of case access on this system, things are different to nearly all cases. The top panel is held in by 6 bolts. These aren't normal bolts but have two small holes on the head. They require a special tool to loosen them but that said, it's very easy to loosen them and Hush provides the correct tool with retail versions of the system for those needing/wanting to tinker or just look at the insides of the system.
On the bottom of the case there are four very sturdy looking feet with small circular rubber pads on the base. This means you can put the case anywhere without fear of marking the surface. If you have multiple Hush PC's you could even stack them on top of each other.
The Back of the Case
Turning the case round to look at the back you can see the ports are located in a nice ATX blanking plate, there is also a PCI slot (Note there is an option to have two), an extra 2 USB Ports and an extra 2 firewire ports. At the right of these is the input port for the Power Supply. Again, as with the rest of the case, it's very neatly laid out and well built. You can see that this is also Hush Serial Number S001 its always nice to see you have the first of something.
Power Supply
Again as with other parts of this system the Power supply isn't your normal type. In keeping with the passive cooling ethos Hush have used a Morex 55 watt power supply. This consists of an internal circuit board with no cooling and an external laptop style brick which connects to the case via a small connector and then to the plu
Now with the VIA EPIA M-9000 being the basis of the system it's not going to be great as a gaming rig, so I wasn't expecting huge power out of this system. Here at Hexus we have recently reviewed the EPIA M-9000 in a full and complete review so for a more specific review of the board look at it here. The specifications of the board mean that its aimed at being a complete solution containing on-board graphics and on-board sound along with lots of other goodies.
What are the specifications of the Via Epia 9000
* Processor
* VIA C3/EDEN EBGA Processor 933Mhz
* Chipset
* VIA CLE266 North Bridge
* VT8235 South Bridge
* System Memory
* 1 DDR266 DIMM socket
* Up to 1GB memory size
* VGA
* Integrated VIA CastleRock AGP graphics with MPEG-2 decoder
* Expansion Slots
* 1 X PCI
* Onboard IDE
* 2 X UltraDMA 133/100/66 Connector
* Onboard Floppy
* 1 x FDD Connector
* Onboard LAN
* VIA VT6103 10/100 Base-T Ethernet PHY
* Onboard Audio
* VIA VT1616 6 channel AC'97 Codec
* Onboard TV Out
* VIA VT1622 TV out
* Onboard 1394
* VIA VT6307S IEEE 1394 Firewire
* Onboard I/O Connectors
* 1 USB connectors for 2 additional USB 2.0 ports
* 2 1394 connectors for 2 1394 ports
* Front-panel audio connectors (Mic and Line Out)
* CD Audio-in connector
* SIR connector
* CIR connector
* Wake-on-LAN, Wake-on-Ring
Gaming Performance
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Now I thought what would happen if someone wanted to use the Hush as an occasional gaming rig, how would they get on? I tried the Hush out in Quake 3 Arena 1.32 which is going to be a major test for any on-board graphics. Playing at the very lowest resolution available, the game was playable but on a large monitor or it's going to look horrific at 640x480. It was a bit slow but only when there was lots of action on the screen. I then tried out some timedemo's to give it a big test and I used very intense demo's where lots happens and here are the results:
* Fastest (Resolution: 512x384) = 17.7 FPS
* Normal (Resolution: 640x480) = 13.6 FPS
* High Quality (Resolution: 800x600) = 13.6 FPS
So these are all well below the 30fps threshold so it's not going to be any more than an emergency gaming rig. To test it out further I fired up 3d Mark 2001 but the results were far from sparkling:
Performance Conclusion
In summation the performance is not going to win any awards, anything that requires serious CPU or graphical grunt is not possible due to the lack of processing muscle. It's going to be ok for DivX or DVD playback however.
The colour of the case is difficult to describe being somewhere between silver and brown. Its not the nicest colour I have to say, but it's bearable. That said there are many colour options open to you as you can see from this pic taken by Nigel Prescott at Cebit. To give you an idea of the colour of this specific hush it's the 3rd from bottom on that picture. Personally I would go for the black or the silve and which ever you prefer the most, they are certainly the most striking of the options.
Pricing Structure.
Note Prices in pounds approximate and include VAT.
Prices as of 1st April 2003
* Hush Mini ITX PC - Via Epia-M 9000, 128MB DDR RAM,
40GB Seagate Barracuda HDD, TEAC Slimline CD-ROM.
Features 933Mhz VIA C3 CPU, VIA CLE266 Chipset,
32MB Integrated VIA "CastleRock" Graphics with MPEG
2 Decoder, 4 x USB 2.0 Ports, 2 X IEEE 1394 Firewire
Ports, S-Video out, 6-channel audio, 1 Full length
PCI slot, 10/100 Base-T Ethernet, TV-Out, Serial,
Parallel, Mouse and Keyboard
645 Euro's (£446.49)
* Colour option - Silver or Black
Free
* Upgrade to 256MB RAM
25 Euro's (£17.31)
* Upgrade to 512MB RAM
80 Euro's (£55.38)
* Upgrade to 1GB RAM
POA
* TEAC DVD/CDRW Combo Slim-line Upgrade
90 Euro's (£62.30)
* Upgrade to 60GB HDD Seagate Barracuda
25 Euro's (£17.31)
* Upgrade to 80GB HDD Seagate Barracuda
40 Euro's (£27.69)
* Upgrade to 120GB HDD Seagate Barracuda
80 Euro's (£55.38)
* Windows XP Home Pre-installed
100 Euro's (£69.22)
* Windows XP Professional Pre-installed
175 Euro's (£121.14)
* Delivery - Germany
25 Euro's (£17.31)
* Delivery - Europe
55 Euro's (£38.07)
* Delivery - Rest of World
POA
Conclusion
Pro's
* Looks very nice, would look great in the lounge
* Very well built
* Quite light and easy to carry
* Completely passively cooled
* Cooling is most efficient
* Well laid out internally
* Comes pre built so easy to setup
* Small so it doesn't take up much space
* Blue power button looks excellent
* Some nice colour options available
* Quietest solution around at present
Con's
* System performance not great
This looks like the option to use for a homebrew PVR solution. The only thing missing is a TV card, but you can add that in the PCI slot that is available. It even has an MPEG2 hardware decoder. Would 933 MHz be fast enough for encoding, though?
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It's just a shame the EPIA-M's onboard mpeg 2 decoder still has no linux.support. It's not at all obvious that this is the case looking at VIA's website. And there are a lot of people upset about this on the VIA forums.
Remember the PowerMac G4 Cube? Aside from all of its brouhaha on price, lack of expansions, etc., it was 8 inches square and was a fanless convection cooled machine (and still is, for those of us who still use them!), and 1-2 years before any of these fanless mini-itx form factor machines.
It really is perfect as an iTunes console/DVR at the side of the TV, but priced well above using one for that purpose at the time.
As evidence of a near-identical form factor, folks have managed to cram mini-itx motherboards inside its case.
Similar to these mini-itx style boxes, the G4 Cube had internal hard drive and CD-ROM noise, but with NetBoot (or some optical FireWire repeaters and a hard drive in another room) you could run the sucker completely silent.
The only fan that was in Apple original designs was the video card fan for the ATI Radeon graphics cards (Rage 128s were fanless). Unsupported Radeon upgrades were fanless. Most upgrades these days to honk up the processor to a 1GHz+G4 single or dualie add in an 80cm fan at the base of the unit to push air through. Similarly with GF3s or other video cards put inside this case...convection alone isn't enough to cool the chips. Fans and noise will probably be the price of powerful machines in small form factors for some time to come given that minimal heat dissipation is not a primary design goal of high-end CPUs and GPUs.
Another review can be found on the this website (bear in mind that they sell the Hush though). A comparison of the M and V series boards, including comparative benchmarks for video playback, can be found here.
Personally I intend to wait until Hush produce a new model based on the M series.
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Thin client is a MICROSOFT term for a proprietary terminal. Thin Clients are built to Microsoft's specifications and are intentially made to be ill-suited for adaptation as X terminals. That's two reasons not to buy a thin client. NCD is a company which has always substantially OVERPRICED its hardware and which has failed to offer support for its products for any use except as a locked-in terminal. That's a third reason not to buy an NCD terminal. NCD is doing so badly as a company that it was delisted from the NASDAQ last year. That's another reason not to buy its products. NCD is infamous for overpricing its products.
The SolarPC is significant for all the obvious reasons, not the least of which being that it is the product, and the price, that NCD should have created the precursor of ten years ago.
Ya you casually miss the fact that CF is not as durable as a real IDE hard disk. Try re-writing to a sector a couple of thousand times :-)
From what I recall most CF are guaranteed for something like 10^6 re-writes while a hard disk for about 10^9.
This is why CF is primarily used in taskings where you are not likely to have things like temp files etc... [e.g. mp3 player, camera]
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As far as the computer is concerned it is just another IDE device and will boot from it as normal. Even in the over-priced UK this comes in at under forty pounds. Less money and much less hassle than trying to boot from a USB drive.
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For those that like numbers, the Hexus server is a dual xeon with a few Gb RAM and SCSI disks. Or at least it was, you heartless people have killed it. Dave won't be happy.
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Since people seem interested in near-silent PCs for their home theater: The Heatsink Case. This sucker is so well designed that the internal temp goes up when you take off the lid. :) Unfortunately the guy has had trouble getting production ramped up enough to satisfy his many customers...
That's got to be the noisiest component left in it then surely? Unless it's not a 60mm..
A couple of months ago I decided to silence my machine. I nipped to QuietPC.comand got a Zalman silent heatsink for my GPU, 2 quiet case fans and a SilentDrive(tm) to enclose (and silence) my hard-disk. I already had a quiet enough PSU and a Zalman Flower on my 1800+.
The result is that I can sleep in the same room as the box (my goal), but it isn't silent. When I lay my head down to rest and the house is quiet the hum from the remaining fans is very audible. However if you come into my room in the day, you can't tell its on unless you stop still and actively listen for it.
I've found that low frequency sounds are quite soporiferous. However the SilentDrive doesn't entirely mask the high pitched whine of my Maxtor 740DX (also the SilentDrive's build quality is absolute poo) and it is that sound that I hear quite clearly on those nights that I just can't quite get to sleep. Interestingly too, the resistor slowed Zalman casefans are far louder than the Enermax PSU fans. Does anyone know if I dare reduce the voltage on the case fans even more?
I have a coolermaster case, so I figured the sound gets transfered easily through the entire metal body. I was right; I made myself some rubber washers and isolated all the fans from the case and the difference in noise was very noticeable. So I figure I shouldn't have fallen in love with the sexy metallic sheen of the Coolermaster and bought the budget Dabs.com like I had originally planned ;)
All in all the Athlon idles at 38C and at 100% load it gets to about 51C, so I might deactivate the case fans and see how that goes.
Basically I was disapointed with the QuietPC products, they work ok, but they rip you off - the case fans were standard Zalmans, but on their site no brand is mentioned and all the products listed are overpriced. Also the results were not as good as I hoped.
But anyway back to the Radeon stock fan. Removing my NVidia 440MX stock fan was the most noticeable change I made! Zalman GPU passive coolers are pretty cheap. It may be worth checking them out if you want that little bit more silence for your dad's box.
I just built a system very similar to these, and it's a blast, but there are some problems. One is that the Morex 55W power supply seems to have some issues, particularly at boot-up, that can result in a hung system. Another is heat. The EPIA boards don't generate a lot, but they do generate some, and other components (e.g. hard disk) do too. VIA does not recommend running the M-9000 fanless; that's precisely why I bought an ME-6000, and the case does have two (very quiet) case fans, and I've still had a couple of lockups that might be attributable to heat. Other users at VIA Arena using the same mobo/case combination have reported very similar problems. Overall, there seems to be a growing feeling among the community of people who've actually bought them that systems built around these components might not be silent and stable at the same time. Pick one. :-( Maybe the next generation will be capable of running silently without these stability problems, and it's fine for a hobby project, but I couldn't really recommend this type of system for regular use.
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Every Apple II was completely silent, with those wonderful milk-carton-sized switching power supplies.
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I picked up a 120G Seagate Barracuda IV for about $140. This drive is impressively quiet. I leave it running at night, and I can't hear it at all. I've had it running 24/7 for about eight months now.
The box makes less noise than my iMac, and it works well as a webserver, mailserver, printserver , and fileserver. It doesn't have the brushed aluminum look of the hush PC or the newer MB/CPU, but it's equally quiet and cost about $200 less.
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The original iMacs had fans (my mum has one), it was a year or so later when the fan less ones came out (my auntie has one).
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I saw these things at the last FOSE expo in DC and was impressed. You stick a card in a PCI slot and then use Cat-5 to connect that card with their silent box which holds a PCI video card, USB, PS2, and line/mic in/out. You can then stick the box something like 100 meters away from where you are actually using it. Probably not for gamers since no AGP video, but good enough for a living room computer terminal and noiseless.
We are thinking of using em for some tight or dirty spots where it is inconvenient to stick a computer box and where it would be inconvenient to have someone hit the reset button (computers that control scientific equipment in a big hall).
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And that is exactly why Apple should re-release the G4 cube. If they keep the specs where they were when they canceled it with the possible exception of adding Bluetooth and other more modern options, they would have a pretty good media hub that doesn't cost too much and runs with no fans.
As long as they only use lower end G4s or the PPC 970 clocked pretty low, they should be able to get away with convection. As long as they don't use too many newer parts, the price should be low enough to rival iMac sales.
Remember this little thing called the Tualatin? The 800MHz version topped out at 12w, and could run circles around even a 1GHz C3, not to mention the sickly EPIA.
Go and buy a Tualatin Celeron ( they're up in the 1.3 or 1.4 GHz range, be sure you get one with 133MHz bus ) and clock it down to 66MHz bus. You'll stil have a machine capable of decoding DVD in software ( a Celeron 400 could do this without breaking a sweat ), and it can be fanless.
What is the world coming to that some company can pass off a crappy CPU with no OOOE and a half-speed FPU as "efficient"? Christ, if you pumped up the speed of the C3 such that the power it used was the same as a Pentium IV, it would still get it's ass handed to it performancewise.
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