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U.S. Says Canada Cares Too Much About Liberties
A cheeky writer at Canada's Ottawa Citizen newspaper has written a story about the U.S. State Department's 2002 Patterns of Global Terrorism.
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Yeah ! Bomb cars!
No. Bomb Canada.
So I'm a pervert. Welcome to the Internet.
Car bombs! Yeah!
So I'm a pervert. Welcome to the Internet.
Always good to know where your priorities are.
the USA is run by fascists. the USA is in a similar state to NAZI germany in the 1930's.
It's a good thing they asked them to stop. After all, if history has shown us one thing, it's that USA is the only country mature and civilized enough to possess nuclear weapons.
You are an environmental wacko from the far left. Carl Marx would be proud.
Weakening the EPA?
Are you saying the EPA is getting less money in the last two years than it did prior to Bush getting in office?
All your environmental wacko friends that the prior president packed into EPA offices for the prior 8 years are still there. And they have seniority now. And the "republican" lawyers in the EPA and elsewhere that the prior president's wife fired immediately upon entering office ten years ago, and replaced with lawyers with your attitude and views? They weren't fired when Bush entered office. They're still there. And they have seniority as well.
Or maybe you are talking about the arsenic in the water boondoggle? Maybe you should ask someone who works in a chemical laboratory whether it makes sense to follow the regulations imposed on the EPA by Browner and her cronies, or to follow regulations with some sanity to them. Ask someone who actually works in a lab instead of listening to your Marxist friends.
Alaska for oil exploration/exploitation?
Wake up dumbass.
Are you saying Canada doesn't pump oil?
A tiny section/small percentage of ANWR has already been mapped/"explored" for oil. The oil is there. It just needs to be drilled and pumped. With pre-fabbed rigs constructed elsewhere, broken down, shipped in (flown or trucked over frozen tundra or shipped), and re-assembled. With technology further advanced than the oil exploration/exploitation going on in canada right now.
As much as those cute, fuzzy videos of caribou may help the Marxists among you tree huggers, those caribou are not from the area of ANWR where the oil is. Getting equipment to/from the oil area will be on frozen roads, so no tundra destruction. No wildlife will be displaced or killed. No trees will be cut. And as you in canada know so well, felled trees are easily replaced. And the current oil being pulled out of Alaska is not an environmental disaster. So stop the lies.
Oil will come out of ANWR. It is a question of when, not if.
Protecting your oil industry in Canada is one thing, and that's fine. But lieing through your teeth to do it is another.
You've been smoking too much of that pot with your protestor friends. The war on drugs has resulted in more prisons being built, more prosecutions, more convictions, and more punks like you remaining in jail. Thanks to the war on drugs, and all the drug punks like yourself sitting in jails for some really great ten-plus or greater year sentences, your punk friends are rotting in jail, have had their right to vote taken away wherever possible, will re-enter society with felony convictions, and all the while, crime in the US has dropped to historic lows.
The war on drugs, thanks to Ronnie baby, has been a success. Even with the attempts by rudolph red nose liar, and others, to soften the laws. Jail sentences are tougher, punks are behind bars rotting away where they belong, and crime is down. Way down.
ps, as for your own environmental "tracing", maybe you should stop mining/exploring/exploiting and shipping asbestos. That would be nice for a start.
So you have to go back a hundred years?
Let's not get into WWII. If you think the US didn't do dick or spill blood in WWII, then you have a real problem.
Supplied troops to every single UN mission?
From what I recall, french fucks supplied ferries as their contribution during the Gulf war. Is this the type of help canada also supplies, is that what you are talking about?
How many of the doctors in your hometown gave their lives during the gulf war?
How many of anyone in your hometown gave their lives during the gulf war?
How many of anyone in your hometown gave their lives to depose today's hitler?
If all canada wants to do is patch up our soldiers after they are evac'd to mash units, and stab us in the back in the press and on the border, then I guess that's what we'll get.
After all, we deserve it, don't we? You are morally superior to us, aren't you?
And as for the "riding the backs of the US military", I suggest you look within your own country for the criticism. Because I've seen it come from your own country more than anywhere else. From canadian news letters to the editors, from canadian news pundits, from canadians being interviewed on the street, from canadian politicians.
canadians should decide for themselves whether they are and have been riding on the backs and blood of the US military. When you do finally come to a consensus, if that's possible, then we'll be glad to discuss it.
It's because of the Canadian government bending over for a minority that is smaller now than other minorities because the English handed the French their ass on a platter over a hundred years ago and felt bad about it.
Mod me if you have to but it is true
http://www.galun.com/misc/seasonal/2002/12/17-Moor e.html - Michael Moore is one of the sleaziest documentary makers/authors around. Almost nothing he says is true. I have to revise this article (that's my next project) because more falsehoods in the movie have been discovered since I wrote it.
The State Dept is very concerned about Muslims entering the US through Canada. Canada is desperate to increase its population through immigration - they annually whinge about not meeting their "immigration targets".
Why Canada, not Mexico -- simple, we have more resources on the Mexican border than the Canadian.
Canada treats all immigrants with kid gloves, not questioning why Pakistanis, Saudis, etc. want to come to Canada and then maybe drive a truck full of explosives from Vancouver to LA.
There is a difference between liberties for citizens and carte blanche for immigrants. Canada needs to get on the right side of this issue, or face the consequences.
Are you really so naive as to believe that the fascism that Ashcroft and Bush are bringing us would prevent a terrorist from nuking an American city?
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
CASH!?. You're an idiot. Go back to school and maybe in 10-15 years you'll be able to understand few things...tip: Media (cnn ...) feeds you with lies or moded news.
So, maybe instead of trying to get the damned Canadians to cooperate with us, we should simply launch an advertising campaign in the Islamic world explaining that Canada is the more logical target for their anti-western fringe element.
They haven't been brainwashed for the past 40 years into hating Canadians, so your propaganda will have a lot of catching up to do. The irony, of course, is that they don't really hate Americans; they actually hate their own repressive governments. That hatred has merely been redirected by their state media in the self-interests of their governments. The U.S. has tolerated this practice far too long, to the point that it has put other western nations in danger.
Perfect, you seem like a great candidate for ThenLeave. I think more people like you need to take the initiative and stop bitching about America and start moving out. As soon as the migration rate becomes negative (more people leaving as opposed to entering america) then I'd agree and say this place really does suck. Living in America is a great life, if you want to smoke pot and suck up the free (and poor) health care Canada sounds perfect for you.
Would the nuking of say, Washington DC, be such a bad thing? If you ask around (I mean OUTSIDE the USA), you'll probably find a majority of people thinking it would, actually, be a positive thing.
You see, you americans have played the world game so stupidly recently with your imperialist manners you've managed to make about 5.5 Billion ennemies, not even counting the ones from within your country. The USA seem to enjoy being the thug and pimp of the planet, and they're going to pay a very, very high price for pissing on everybody else's doorstep.
When your people will be begging for food and jobs (I mean, more than you actually got) after the collapse of your debt-ridden economy, you won't find many friends around to help you, not anymore. And we'll all be looking down at you, as you lie in the graves you're digging now.
so long, yankees. Hope you guys get your act together soon, for it may all blow up in your face sooner than you can expect.
Cheers,
max
-- It's always darker before it goes pitch black.
Germany only had to have democracy and freedom beaten into it. They are surely a great paragon of freedom.
Hahaha.
-- You see, there would be these conclusions that you could jump to
A place where YOUR freedoms are always greater than MINE.
It may soon be illegal to talk poorly about child pornography in Canada.
They are working towards banning books like the Boy Scouts Handbook because it doesn't openly support homosexuality.
It is a state of controlled political correctness.
This will probably be marked a troll, because the truth hurts.
Get a free ipod.
Well, resisting the temptation to make the usual slew of Candian jokes ... :)
If Canada allowed people to own actual firearms, didn't have even higher tax rates than the US, and didn't force you into crappy socialized medicine, I might consider moving there to avoid the War on Drugs (80s), Save The Children (90s), and The War on Terrorism (00s).
Until then, I'll keep voting Libertarian and writting my congress critters.
I assume all of you bitching about the US don't vote republican or democrat, and thus aren't part of the problem, riiiiight ?
PS: Since I know some Canucks will respond:
1) Your total average tax rates are higher than ours, although it appears that by 2005, that might change.
2) It's about being FORCED into your medical program. That's not freedom.
3) We like guns. You guys used to.
Fact #1
Germany has always been a savage nation. No one is disillusioned about this.
Fact #2
The U.S. used France during the revolutionary war and we continue to pimp slap them. We have no desire to emulate the French ideals that took place in Algeria.
God bless those hundreds of thousands of innocent Algerians who were killed and tortured.
-- You see, there would be these conclusions that you could jump to
Canada is the US's number one oil source, followed distantly by Saudi Arabia. It's also a OPEC nation.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Why don't you leave? If you distrust the government that much, get out. Trust me we won't miss you, nobody will miss you. Because despite all of the points you just listed, more people flock to the US then any other country in the world. We shell out more money/supplies in a day for foreign aid then most do in a year. I am not saying that we do not have our faults, no country/government is perfect. But all you people who see fit to point the finger at our government, and bitch about a policy you don't agree with, need to think about this - How did your ELECTED officials get into office? Where were you when the PATRIOT act was being written? Did you get involved in some way? Write your congressman, get other of similar thinking to write / email / phone / IM (j/k) anything to get the word out that if you agree with this bill, you will not get re-elected. I can hear your bullsh*t excuses now "Most people do not know what the Patriot Act is all about, or the DMCA or....." Guess what? Rome wasn't built in a day, and REAL change won't either. How about getting off the /. forums and start getting the word out. You love to bitch, but $10 says all you did was sign an electronic petition against the PATRIOT Act if you even did that. Put up or shut up, all of you.
You all know the sayings:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Bush is President...
Damn right. Any nation where people are raised to speak French SHOULD get the Rome-and-Carthage treatment.
(Speaking of which...anybody notice France is a third-world hole with nuclear weapons? We need to do something about Chirac. If the man were any more of a menace to civilization, he'd be a Green, Democrat, or ChiCom.)
Not true.
It was then when loyalist for England moved north into Canada while freedom loving rebels stayed in the states or moved south from Canada.
About 1/3 of the colonist were loyalist. I am not sure what % moved to canda, england, or elsewhere.
How is it that today Canada is more free then the US?
That is not really true. It is not true that they are less free. It helps that Canada seems to be going for a free ride (WTO, US Defense of the West and North America). Creeping socialism in Canada is starting to have a negative effect.
Americans love freedom and credit the revolution but support the president and look at anyone non conformist as unpatrotic.
This is a very simplistic statement. It is simply not true.
Guess what? Bush is the one who is unpatrotic.
In what sense is he un-patriotic?
Many Americans are becoming wary of not only his economic record but his horrendous foreign policy.
The poll number they show on National Security issues on the news do not back this up.
The anti-American left and the supporter of militant Islamic dictators feel this way. To them stability means, dictators stay in power, and terrorism against the West continues. To them stability also means the US does nothing .
He really could overreact and create a nuclear war if he is not careful.
In what sense has overreacted? What scenario are you considering here? China Russia? North Korea?
I think Powell definitely acted inappropriately in Syria yesterday.
In what sense? If anything, the US is taking a soft line to Syria. Are you upset that they were asked to expel Iraqi leaders they may have given sanctuary too? Are you upset that Syria was asked to stop supporting multiple terrorist groups?
A place where YOUR freedoms are always greater than MINE.
It may soon be illegal to talk poorly about child pornography in Canada. We should be carefull as the people who enjoy abusing children might get upset.
They are working towards banning books like the Boy Scouts Handbook because it doesn't openly support homosexuality.
It is a country of controlled political correctness.
It is a country headed for trouble.
Get a free ipod.
If it must be said. If America is sooooo evil, then why the hell does everyone want to come here. Jesus, people, get your head out of your asses. No matter how many people bitch and moan about my country, the fact remains they all want to be here. And in most cases they find a way to get here. Social medicine, no thanks you can have it, I prefer to actually be taken care of when I am ill. Trust me when I say this, canada has just as many f'd up laws as any other country. When someone decides to make a forcefull attack against canada they WILL be playing a different flute. And to all those that think we shouldn't have gone to iraq, put down the crack pipe, take of your tree hugger shirt and stop your whining already.
Ah, I knew the trendy counterculturalists would come out of the woodwork once micheal posted this article.
Oddly enough, you know, the people who're presently bitterly resenting our foreign policy are decrying exactly such a culture. And I'm not just talking about in Iraq, or Syria, or Egypt -- I'm talking about in France and in our closest ally, the UK, too. Out of passing curiosity, had you ever considered actually listening to the nature of the criticisms against us? Or are you completely isolated in your solipsistic echo chamber?
France has motives. They're so uptight about their own culture that the very idea of a McDonald's hurts their egos.
The other countries--well, of course they're going to spew propoganda of anti-corporatism. Look at their governments. Anything non-Muslim is immediately evil to them.
It's the echo chamber, then...
Sounds like you're upset he proved a point.
Talk about your "propoganda (sic)." The Arab world hates us because our businesses are so efficient at giving people what they want. It's all just basic human nature.
Gee, how do you explain the Shias in Iraq right now? They were cheering when the tanks went into Baghdad; why are they now telling us to go home, if they're gravitating toward more satisfaction as you say?
Because they've been conditioned to hate anything non-Muslim for the past decades. Next.
Why is the Shiite reaction so similar to their reaction to the British in 1919? Were the British also exceptionally good at giving the people the satisfaction they wanted? Or does this explanation of yours float in a totally ahistorical fantasy universe where you don't need to deal with comparisons like that?
Why are you getting so upset over this? He obviously struck a nerve.
More to the point: supply us with one clear case in which this has motivated a specific terrorist act. We know a fair amount about the 9/11 hijackers. Were Mohammed Atta's attitudes toward skyscrapers born of this way of thinking you describe? They seem to fit the "corporatism" critique much better, to me.
They did it because they've been conditioned to hate America. It is non-Muslim and represents the infidels. The Taliban wanted everyone to revert to a pre-technology era. Obviously, they were jealous and envious that such infidels could rise to be the superpowers of the world.
You have actually read about the 9/11 hijackers, haven't you? I don't mean at your left-wing, elitist group gatherings either.
Please, please, look into how the educated Arab world feels about US foreign policy. There are many, many people out there whose desperate desire is to bring secular, democratized states to the Arab world, but who also seem to understand the sources of terrorism. They do understand the despotic regimes out there -- they seem particularly aware of ones like Egypt, and of the Shah in Iran. You know, the ones the US props up? Like in Pakistan, where Bush W. applauded the military coup that brought Musharraf to power back during the 2000 election? (Those regimes really don't fit into your idea of leaders oppressing the people to preserve the status quo, incidentally. The people resent our backing their leaders. Ever notice that? Ever hear of Anwar Sadat?) Those people aren't living in fantasy la-la land where "The terrorists hate us because we provide the people with more satisfaction." They're saying things about how US foreign policy is counterproductive.
Again, they'll hate anything American because they're envious and they're miffed non-Muslims have so much power. This is really easy. Next.
You might want to try listening.
He obviously struck a nerve with you since you resorted to such biased and condescending arguments. It only weakens your positions and makes you look like a kook. Because he disagrees with you, he's not "listening?"
No matter; you didn't have anything worthwhile to say anyway.
Next.
"Sufferin' succotash."
I think what you meant to say was:
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Your shepherd might tell you he is working for your interests - but you are still on a sheep farm my friend.
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