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Updated eMac Line Released Today
TellarHK writes "Today, Apple's eMac line got a nice upgrade with all models getting a 32M Radeon 7500 video chipset, display capable of 1280x960 resolution on a 17" flat CRT, and price cuts across the board. $799 will get you a base model with 40GB of drive, 128M of RAM (continuing the rather odd stinginess on RAM configurations), and an 800Mhz G4. $999 will get you an extra 20GB of drive and a 1Ghz processor, while $1299 lands you a whopping (ahem) 256M of memory, 80G, and a SuperDrive at 4x."
Not a bad update but 128MB of RAM on the lowest and middle configuration? C'Mon Apple! OS X needs at LEAST 256 MB to be useful and more is even better. The video card is also at the bare minimum for OS X with the ATI 7500, but thats understandable in a .edu machine. The Speed bump and the rest is a nice update and for the price its a pretty good deal.
On another note Thinksecret nailed this one a month ago. They also get the iBook update on the nose too. Seems to be the only rumor site with a shit anymore...
I hope you die painfully and alone.
They seemed to have made some nice updates. Too bad im so poor, id really like to get a mac desktop workstation soon.
You also get an Airport Extreme wireless slot and iTunes 4 included along with the rest iLife. I think the bus speed has been bumped up to 133, but I could be wrong about that
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstech nology/134689749_winhec06.html
I may yet eat my words.
-73, de n1ywb
www.n1ywb.com
FYI, if you are a student you can get better prices at their online educational store:
(For my school - University of Maryland at College Park)
$749.00
800MHz PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-ROM drive
Discounted from $799 retail price
$949.00
1GHz PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive
Discounted from $999 retail price
$1,149.00
1GHz PowerPC G4
256MB SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
Discounted from $1,299 retail price
$1,528.00
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1GHz PowerPC G4
1GB SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
AirPort Extreme built-in
Discounted from $1,698 retail price
Even better deals can be had at Apple B&M stores in universities.
You have to be a valid student to get these prices.
There are also refurbished products that you can buy with Applecare over here.
Adi Gadwale.
Price/Performance is only one factor in the TCO calculation. I prefer to look at Price/Work_Output. I know I'll start a war with these comments, but consider this:
.. I'm ready for the flames now :)
First, the "Windows" part of "wintel":
How much down time is caused by rebooting Windows?
How much down time is caused by patching Windows?
Is the cost of the Apple solution outweighed by the cost of downtime experienced by Windows users?
Second, there are other Intel-based OSs, like Linux and *BSD. These are excellent, top-notch OSs, however, it can be tough to convince management that they can rely on a vendorless OS. (Yeah, blah blah RedHat blah blah).
If I could convince my management to give up Exchange, then OS X would be a great solution for the default desktop config.
If we were all on the same STABLE OS, with a single vendor supporting our Hardware and OS, with the large selection of vendor-backed applications, our work output would go through the roof.
Ok
10b||~10b -- aah, what a question!
see here
I hope you die painfully and alone.
Oddly, I find the low RAM configurations something where it looks like Apple is trying to give me a break, since they sell RAM at INSANE prices, and you can buy it much more cheaply from someone like Crucial.
This seems like a bargain too good to pass up. But I wonder about the quality of the monitor. If I were to get a Mac, it would be for photo and video editing. Is the integrated monitor on the eMac of good quality?
No USB 2.0 ports! Why not?
The market apple is strong in is the graphics market, and 128MB is like undermining themselves. They need firewire, USB2, 256MB starting RAM (possibly with 400FSB) and a good useable mouse, not a hockey puck. Both the radeon and 17" monitor are good choices there, but 128MB ram just doesnt go with it. DVD authoring would also be preferrable, but maybe not on the base model. I wonder if they should release a lower end than the basic eMac, with a 2d graphics card (or a Rive tnt2, or ati rage) 128MB ram, ~10GB harddisk, 500MHz CPU, 15" monitor and sell it at about $400. That would be a good way to get more people to use the Mac, especially during these recession times when everyones going for cheaper cars etc.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
*IF* Apple has fixed the huge early-failure defect problem they were having with eMacs, then these look like nice econo-G4 systems. Base price is about where the much weaker G3/15" CRT iMac was until recently.
They're really short on memory for most uses, but good 3rd party memory is so cheap that it's often thrown in free when you buy the system.
Size & weight are what you pay for the eMac being a G4 at G3 prices - look, lift it, & measure your desk before you buy.
It's easy to make up & spread cool- and credible-sounding stuff. Finding & checking hard facts is hard work.
Exchange does seem to be the outstanding issue. Supposedly Entourage (Mac Office vX Outlook) now has Exchange support. That would seem to answer that. You can put Linux or pretty any flavor of *nix you want on these. It just amazes me that a machine with a flat-screen 17" display can be that cheap - I paid that much for just my studio display!! Gotta love it.
"They need firewire,"
Got it. 2 Firewire ports.
"USB2"
Why? They have Firewire.
"256MB starting RAM"
http://macseek.com
Or you can just add it in their online store.
"and a good useable mouse, not a hockey puck."
Um, the Apple Mouse that comes with it ain't a hockey puck.
" DVD authoring would also be preferrable, but maybe not on the base model."
It is. Just not on the base model.
Of course, if we are upgrading for the base model, the one that is automatically equipped with a Superdrive has 256MB of RAM.
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
Rejoyce.
More info from MacMinute.
I've asked repeatedly and am getting stonewalled by M$. Our org will NOT buy it for the 50 or so Mac users on site, so I'll be paying for it out of my pocket so I can at least continue to work on a par with the PC users (I'm presently using Outlook 9 and it's fine under emulation). I work as a web developer and it's been a struggle to hold onto my Mac! Several of the apps on it are being supported at my expense since corporate mgt. simply will NOT realize their web pages MUST work on Macs since many of our clients USE Macs! Not to mention, the entire Design group uses Macs! I'll inquire further and advise.
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
It was always my understanding that Apple shipped with low quantities of RAM as a bone thrown to their retail distributors. If you buy from MacMall or MacWarehouse you get "free" RAM with your purchase. If customers thought they had enough then this offer wouldnn't have the apeal it now has.
Had me fooled! Sigh!!!!! It's a turkey. CRTs are the biggest *(#&^$@# pain the arse! Now that I've seen the way, LCD for ME. Have heard back about Entourage - MS Rep at recent show promised June.
Somebody is a negative nancy today
Hmm way to go modding me down as a troll and flaimbait. You've proven once again that Apple users are the most zealous. And not a single reply explaining why anybody thinks I'm trolling or baiting, how about that? Grow up, if you think I'm wrong and you want a debate, bring it. If you mod me down just because you disagree with me, and you don't even have the balls to say why, you're a pussy. And my karma is so high I don't give a damn.
-73, de n1ywb
www.n1ywb.com
Just for the record, I do own two PowerMacs. I used to be an Apple fanatic. But I honestly couldn't justify spending any more money on their products.
-73, de n1ywb
www.n1ywb.com
What are you talking about? New mice and keyboards are not here. They have not been seen within 300 miles of here. That's assuming that they even exist, which they do not!!
I've heard apple sells refurb stuff, but every link i've seen goes to a page that says session timed out and i can't find the link to refurb on the store. Does anyone know how t get to the refurb apple products.
Basically because you're incorrect.
AC, incorectness != trolling. Furthermore I'm stating my opinions, I never claimed them to be facts, therefor they cannot be incorrect.
-73, de n1ywb
www.n1ywb.com
What you're saying is a price/performance comparison is a measure of the unit's price vs. its SPEC benchmark scores. Performance is not measured in CPU processing power alone.
I'd put a Mac up against a Windows PC any day if you measure performance in terms of productivity. When orienting a new hire who may or may not know anything about computers, I've found Macs are FAR easier for them to learn to use than a Windows PC. Style and function guidelines are much more strictly followed as well as intelligent interface concepts. Shortcut keys are also used with much greater effectiveness. Getting a new user to use the Mac interface speedily is a relatively simple task.
If you're talking about interoperability as performance, OSX easily beats out Windows. Out of the box OSX supports NFS, CIFS/SMB, and AFS both as a client and server. You can stick an OSX system on a network with Windows, Linux, Solaris (or any other Unix), and Macintosh file servers and not need any third party software to browse or mount shares. On the file server end using OSX clients means no more third party software to provide a share protocol not natively supported by the file server's OS or vendor. Being able to interoperate with an existing infrastructure is a major advantage to using OSX.
If you measure performance in the form of longevity the Mac is a winner again. You may pay more up front for the Macintosh than you would an equivilent Windows PC but you end up with a much longer lasting machine. Ask anybody still doing serious work on their 8500s. Look to any school still doing quite well with Netscape 4.7 running on their Rev A iMacs.
If price is the lifetime price as opposed to the initial price a Mac is going to cost you a great deal less. Licensing Microsoft software for a large number of users is extremely expensive. A site running OSX over several years, and OS releases, is going to be paying far less than a Windows site. Because of the previously mentioned server compatibility the Mac site can replace their expensive proprietary servers with house supported open source server systems. Even if instead a site went with vendor supported server options they'd still be paying far less than the Windows site. A 10-user license for Windows Server 2003 Standard costs as a small cluster computers running open source programs providing the same functionality.
You may measure performance in terms of processor speed but when you run a business performance takes on many different meanings. Don't buy a Mac if you don't think the processor is fast enough. However don't be ignorant and make broad statements about price/performance comparisons if processor speed is the only metric you can think of.
I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.
with much gayness,
Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.
Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.
I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).
Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!
Sincerely,
Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.
I,for one, like pussies!