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Gates on Digital Restrictions Technologies

doormat writes "According to this article, Gates says you can choose not to use the new secure PC technology that they're developing. Is that going to be a choice like being a vegetarian, or like choosing not to eat at all?" There's also a short piece about DRM and Linux, which is a follow-up to Linus on DRM.

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  1. If you opt out by Jimhotep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I opt out what will stop working?

    How will I know for sure I am out?

    1. Re:If you opt out by amembrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'll know you've opted out when your start button is greyed out, and the mouseover text reads "You have chosen not to use certain features that will greatly enhance your computing experience. This function will be unavailable until you opt to use our 'My File Tracking' feature."

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    2. Re:If you opt out by crazyphilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'll NEVER know. Actually, since they're planning on implementing a software kernel (like a mini-OS) in a BIOS chip, you won't know what it's doing at all. That secure channel between the motherboard, the video, and the peripherals? It's still there even if you "turn off" DRM. So, how do you know it isn't snooping on you? Or deliberately slowing down your non-DRM processing? Or, even non-deliberately slowing it down -- do you think they're going to waste QA time on those of us who reject their pet project? It's just a big mess.

      I'll tell you this much: I don't trust Microsoft and Intel not to completely screw up the system in one way or another. They've both turned out some seriously buggy stuff over the years. Remember the floating point bug? Remember the latest Microsoft vulnerability? Remember the Intel chip-ID brouhaha? I don't trust either company. And, AMD is playing along too, so where are we going to turn?

      I'm telling you guys -- stock up on fast systems now, while you can. Get all your computer purchasing out of the way this year, and skip the whole DRM thing entirely. If you're *really* forced to, you can always buy a cheapo, 500.00 box/appliance down the road (just for DRM purposes) and code on your *good* pre-Palladium machines.

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    3. Re:If you opt out by flogger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Opting out? How can I opt out? Will there be a big warnng box upon install that says, "Check this box if you wish to opt out of using secutiry features." Or will it be turned on by default and installed already when Joe User buys a new PC? Will it be easy to turn off?
      Heck. How many Joe Users know right now if their Unique Chip Identifier is turned on in bios? (ala Pentium III UID technology).
      I tend to not like this optional feature. It will take one hour for someone to release a worm that turns it on without knowledge, turns it off without knowledge, or reports all sort of fun info without Joe User's knowledge.

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  2. I'm sorry, I'm offtopic... by numbski · · Score: 5, Funny

    However I can't help but start reading DRM differently.

    Digital Rights Management
    Digital Restrictions Masochism

    Same diff really.

    Oh, and as an opinion, he expects us not to eat. ;)

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  3. Classic multi-vendor finger pointing... by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Software vendors have pulled the "hey, it wasn't me," line since time immemorial. This does represent a mechanism by which content providers will simply only release new material that require DRT to access. I remember a similar incidence when a new version of Pocket PC came out with DRM that basically rendered my Jornada blind to the world of eBooks.

    Normally I'm not as hard on MS as most of the /. crowd, but gotta give a "boo... hiss..." on this one.

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  4. Strong-arming by sssmashy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The technology has raised eyebrows not only for the absolute control it would grant such creators of digital content as music and movie companies but also because it is being driven by Microsoft, which has a reputation for strong-arming the computer industry.

    And the next nominee for "Understatement of the Year" is... Matthew Fordahl, of the Associated Press!

  5. Sounds like starving to me... by Bendy+Chief · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Verbatim from the article:

    "They just don't understand," Gates said. "That's like saying because we make a word processor, that reporters write what we want them to write or something. I can give you examples to prove that's not the case." (About antitrust fears with DRM)

    Wow. He sure allayed my fears. What he meant to say is, no, they don't have to write what he wants, but they do have to write in the FORMAT he wants, or get left behind. This whole DRM off-switch issue is the same quandary. Turn DRM off and watch your access to many online resources, that are becoming more and more integrated with daily life, vanish. Not to mention the suspicion that very well may come with shunning DRM. "What do you have to hide?", say Mr. Poindexter and Mr. Ashcroft.

  6. Terrorist tool? by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Creators of top-secret government documents, financial records or other sensitive material could assign rights to sensitive files, allowing them to be viewed only on trusted computers running the system. Anyone else -- hackers and malicious programs included -- would be locked out.

    Maybe it's just me, but I would think that such a system would also enable terrorists to send "sensitive files" to each other, with the full confidence that law enforcement could not read them.

    Consider the above statement reworded a little:

    Creators of top-secret documents, terrorist plans or other sensitive material could assign rights to sensitive files, allowing them to be viewed only on trusted computers running the system. Anyone else -- FBI hackers, law enforcement and malicious programs included -- would be locked out.
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  7. You know... by dethl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consumers shouldn't be worried that Microsoft Corp.'s new security technology will wrest control of their PCs and give it to media companies, Bill Gates said Tuesday.

    And we're supposed to believe someone who has a pretty good grip on the OS situation, and would do anything to keep that grip? Personally, I would rather have the chance of being hacked but also have the ability to do anything I want on my computer. I don't want a company telling me what I can and cannot do with my own computer. If we allow them to do this, who knows how much farther these guys will go?

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  8. is it just me ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why has security been linked so much DRM these days ? Whenever i read an article on some kind of rights management initiative - there is almost talk about securing the PC. Security & DRM are two different things ! wih gates works on them individually.

    Its amazing how the quote from Benjamin dude works so well here.
    Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security

    Seems like there always was , will be people trying to take away freedom under the pretext of security - even in computing !

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  9. Yeah yeah... by spacefight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the interview, Gates said it's up to other companies to ensure interoperability.

    Thank you Microsoft. No need for comments here.

  10. Thank you! by borgdows · · Score: 5, Funny

    >Gates says you can choose not to use the new secure PC technology

    Thank you Bill Gates my master borg!
    Can I choose not to use Windows(tm) too ?

  11. Bill will sway the public by Mr+Smidge · · Score: 5, Funny

    As the well-informed geeks that we are, we are quite aware of the fact that it's perfectly possible to run a secure operating system and maintain it in a good way without DRM in the manner advertised.

    However, I can predict that M$ will make a valiant effort to try to persuade the public into thinking that not being part of their Next Generation Secure Computing Base will put them at some kind of immediate risk. The only real risk I can think of here will be the credit given to you if you choose not to run a trusted operating system.

    "Hello, I'd like support for M$ Cock-In-Yo-Ass V6 please"
    "Are you using NGSCB?"
    "No"
    "We need you to be running a trusted operating system so that we can remotely assist you, sir."
    *Dial tone*

    This movement won't be a good thing.

  12. Re:Be careful what you wish for by clonebarkins · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...I think many people have reached the point where they will view computing with mistrust until security can pretty much be guaranteed...

    There is no such thing as guaranteed security.

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  13. Re:The technology by JimDabell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really? I mean, I personally think of automobiles as a huge technological breakthrough, the culmination of a lot of extremely signigicant technologies. It is one of the things that most impacted the 20th century. Do you REALLY think DRM is like that???

    Way to miss the point. He didn't say he thought that any more than he said he thought that DRM had wheels on the bottom.

    Get a grip, people. If you wanna use windows, keep using windows2000 or xp, then you'll be safe in your drm-free world.

    You are also free to carry on using Windows 95 today... oh, but it's been EOLed, so no more security patches - hope you don't need to access an untrusted network, like, say, the Internet.

    TIP: The world is revolving around the US less and less every day. There will be more than plenty of places you can get things from that do what you want to do, even if all of windows gets drm-locked-down. They're a whole world out there - check it out.

    TIP: It's not just in the USA that Microsoft has a monopoly in computers.

  14. Hmm by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I just decided to buy a Mac.

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  15. MS Rackettering similar to Auto Co. racketering by SailorBob · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Get a grip, people. If you wanna use windows, keep using windows2000 or xp

    I would love to sell computers with 2000 on them and not XP or whatever the next boatware is gonig to be - but I can't since M$ no longer sells licenses to old OS's. Sure, individuals can buy old licenses 2nd hand and install themselves, but that's an extremely small percentage of people. 95% of people buy their machine with a pre-installed OS, and that is going to be the latest M$ bloatware because you can't run a PC business scavanging old licenses here and there. You have to have a reliable supply of licenses.

    As a seller I'm forced to put whatever the latest Winbloze is on the machines I sell. Actually, forcing people to buy something they don't want or need is illegal. It's called racketeering and it's what the auto companies got smacked down on for in the 60's/70's. They were required to publish the specs for any car they no longer sell/service. M$ should be forced to publish the source for old OS's it no longer supports. M$ also shouldn't be allowed to prevent the use of such old OS's. To do so and force people to buy a newer version is racketeering.

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