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Electronic Paper Advances

ke4roh writes "Electronic paper comes a step closer," says a Reuters article today. The paper, made by E-ink bends and makes for a higher contrast display, perhaps for e-books and cell phones. It reminds me of Jim Willard's Paper Computer, but their web site is history. Slashdot previously discussed color electronic paper."

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  1. Scratchy? by Loopsnut · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will I have to worry about electrocution when I wipe my bum?

    1. Re:Scratchy? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Will I have to worry about electrocution when I wipe my bum? "/i.

      I'd be more worried about creating a spark in a contained space like that.

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    2. Re:Scratchy? by da'+WINS+pimp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yea, just what I need, data shooting up my bum!

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    3. Re:Scratchy? by KilerCris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, since the paper computer is solar powered, you don't have anything to worry about. I doubt you get much sun back there

  2. I might as well be one of the first to say it.. by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

    Electronic aper comes a step closer

    Get your hands off me, you damn, dirty electronic aper.

  3. What has changed? by geeber · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering that E-ink has been around for quite some time (probably more than a year, though I am not sure), anyone know what is substaintially new about this press release? The article is detail-lite.

    1. Re:What has changed? by bivouac_2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly. Before we get caught up in the concept of wearble displays, I want my flying car! Heck I want my flying Jetsons-esque city! Crap, I settle for an affordable HDTV.

    2. Re:What has changed? by canajin56 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A friend tells me they already have something like it in Japan. He has several shopping cards that keep track of "points" you have. They are made of laminated paper, and are flexable. When you use it, the numbers written on the paper change to reflect your "point" balance.

      I havn't seem it for myself though.

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  4. Recycling by rf0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well this saves on problem of cutting down loads of trees (well to an extent) but I wonder how much energy is needed to produce this. Also is it going to replace getting the daily newspaper on the way to getting on the train? Also what about if it goes flat? Some sort of solar panel prehaps?

    Rus

    1. Re:Recycling by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "paper-paper is super cheap because of the abundance of renewable resources available for its manufacture. If you want to update what's on the paper, just make the changes in Word and print a new copy. Why is that so hard?"

      Are you serious? Do you really think it's about paper being hard to use? Honestly dude, you must be intentionally trying not to see the value here in order to score some insightful moderations.

      Here are a few useful applications of e-paper:

      - Single-page newspapers and books. Not only would you not have to worry about portability, but you wouldn't have to worry about bookmarks either.

      - Billboards would be much easier to update. No more repainting or repapering them, just send a new graphic to them and they change automatically. They could even cycle the ads.

      - Credit cards could show your balance available.

      Etc etc etc.

      Paper may grow on trees, but there are serious problems with it accumulating. The 'make the changes in Word and print a new copy' may sound deceptively sensible until you realize you have to get rid of the original copy.

      Right now I'm reviewing a manual for a product my company is developing. This means lugging a stack of paper around. It's obnoxious. I'd LOVE to have a single sheet of paper that updates whenever I press the 'next page' button. I guess I could read it off my PocketPC, but it's awfully small...

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    2. Re:Recycling by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also what about if it goes flat?

      IIRC, it only uses power when it changes state (text changes). If it runs out of juice, you are simply stuck on the current page.

    3. Re:Recycling by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 4, Funny
      paper-paper is super cheap because of the abundance of renewable resources available for its manufacture.

      What, do you think paper grows on TREES??

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    4. Re:Recycling by foo+fighter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      - Single-page newspapers and books. Not only would you not have to worry about portability, but you wouldn't have to worry about bookmarks either.

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still haven't seen an ebook interface that is as intuitive as a real book or paper. It's pretty easy to see a paperclip (or whatever) in the top of a book. Having to press a few buttons to "mark" a place, then press a few more buttons to get back to that place is a PITA.

      And the difficulty of moving around books and papers is greatly exaggerated.

      - Billboards would be much easier to update. No more repainting or repapering them, just send a new graphic to them and they change automatically. They could even cycle the ads.

      One, it's more difficult than "just" sending a new graphic to them. How do you get the graphic there? Two, keeping an e-paper sign lit up costs a lot more in electricity than paper-paper.

      - Credit cards could show your balance available.

      Whoopdy-freaking-do. If that's a problem, you have bigger problems.

      Paper may grow on trees, but there are serious problems with it accumulating.

      It's called "recycling". Which is much easier to do with paper than electronics.

      The arguments for epaper are just not compelling in my opinion.

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    5. Re:Recycling by johny_qst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still haven't seen an ebook interface that is as intuitive as a real book or paper. It's pretty easy to see a paperclip (or whatever) in the top of a book. Having to press a few buttons to "mark" a place, then press a few more buttons to get back to that place is a PITA.
      I wonder if it would really require such a PITA to deal with this. You read the page that you were last reading.... nothing else in the way. When you need the next page hit the page + button.
      And the difficulty of moving around books and papers is greatly exaggerated.
      I think the point made was more about the difficulty in composting/landfilling/recycling the old editions.
      One, it's more difficult than "just" sending a new graphic to them. How do you get the graphic there? Two, keeping an e-paper sign lit up costs a lot more in electricity than paper-paper.
      I believe the system is designed to include wireless networking. Anyplace that would have sufficient people moving past to warrant advertising should definitely by the time this is implemented have WiFi in abundance.
      Whoopdy-freaking-do. If that's a problem, you have bigger problems.
      This is such an intelligent point I had to say something. Like perhaps the Banks would offer access to a complete statement and cancelled checks etc... all on the card itself.... 'the portal to your financial world' the point being that the options boggle the imagination for a lot of people. Some would rather shoot it down.
      It's called "recycling". Which is much easier to do with paper than electronics.
      How much do you know about recycling? Do you realize the amount of energy that must be put into the recycling process is enormous. Very little recycled material actually gets back into the flow of goods as a lot is landfilled and we see no problem with just cooking another batch of plastics out of oil. The use of this type of paper would make buying your newspaper pointless... you bought the newspaper and it updates every morning with the new edition and every evening with the late edition. You would not need to produce another piece until yours broke. Or the new model came out with the chrome finish and the ipod interface design. While you find the arguments aren't compelling. I would like nothing more than to see people finally realize they can have a paperless office. Unless you are legally obligated to the SEC or some other regulatory agency to keep hard-copies lying around, why waste the trees? Now if we could just start using hemp for paper the argument gets quite different.... we'll save that one for another time.

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    6. Re:Recycling by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still haven't seen an ebook interface that is as intuitive as a real book or paper."

      Download an e-book to PocketPC. You don't even need to use a bookmark in it because it remembers where you last were.

      "And the difficulty of moving around books and papers is greatly exaggerated."

      Ever had a book fall out of your hands, land on the floor, and close? Ever have a book that's not very excited about being open? Ever try to pack two books into your bagage for a long trip? I made that mistake once.

      "One, it's more difficult than "just" sending a new graphic to them. How do you get the graphic there? Two, keeping an e-paper sign lit up costs a lot more in electricity than paper-paper."

      One, it's not more difficult than sending the graphic there. Can you honestly say that walking up to a billboard, plugging a connector into your laptop, and pressing the upload button is signficantly harder than hiring a couple of people to get the billboard printed, rolled up, and glued? (It's more fun in Portland since we like to have rain 90% of the year...)

      Two, ectricity's only needed to change the image. Once the power's off, the image stays in place. Perhaps you didn't RTFA? They talk about it on E-ink's site.

      "Whoopdy-freaking-do. If that's a problem, you have bigger problems."

      Who said anything about it being a problem? Damn cool feature if you ask me.

      "It's called "recycling". Which is much easier to do with paper than electronics."

      Again, no. Recycling paper involves destroying and reassembling the paper, losing elements in the process. Worse, because of paper's lack of resiliency, you have to use a lot more of it, thus creating the need for a much larger supply of it. In the case of e-paper, recycling it is just a matter of sending a new image to it. No replacement paper needed just to fix a typo.

      "The arguments for epaper are just not compelling in my opinion. "

      You're not going to find a compelling reason because you're not even trying to see it. You're too busy poo-pooing it. I imagine the reason for that is because you feel you sound more intelligent when you don't see the latest and greatest as being interesting. "Well I can see right through this!"

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    7. Re:Recycling by NineNine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Again, no. Recycling paper involves destroying and reassembling the paper, losing elements in the process. Worse, because of paper's lack of resiliency, you have to use a lot more of it, thus creating the need for a much larger supply of it. In the case of e-paper, recycling it is just a matter of sending a new image to it. No replacement paper needed just to fix a typo.

      And the stuff needed to make "E-paper"? Plastics (oil) that don't degrade, heavy metals that not only are around for thousands of years, but are toxic, etc. I'd imagine that the environmental damage done by 100 reams of paper doesn't even rival that of one sheet of "E-paper".

    8. Re:Recycling by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "And the stuff needed to make "E-paper"? Plastics (oil) that don't degrade, heavy metals that not only are around for thousands of years, but are toxic, etc. I'd imagine that the environmental damage done by 100 reams of paper doesn't even rival that of one sheet of "E-paper". "

      I find that unlikely for two reasons:

      1.) I doubt that these its of paper will be very cheap. I imagine it'll cost quite a bit just to get one. I have over 5,000 sheets of paper sitting at home right now just waiting to be used.

      2.) Have you read how thick this paper is? We're talking about minute amounts of resources here.

      You could potentially be right. There are unknown variables here, like what gets lost when making a sheet? How long does a sheet last? etc.

      The thing is, though, I seriously doubt these things will be sold in anywhere near the volume of regular paper. We'll likely see them in a tablet form factor hooked up to a PDA-Esque interface.

      Unless the volume of e-paper was ridiculously high, the benefits from less paper being used would outweigh the cost of materials going into it. We still need trees to breath.

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  5. Wearable displays by deke_2503 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Just what I needed, clothes that can change style at my command! If I get a shirt made of electronic paper, one minute it can be red, the next blue, and then I can make it look tie-dyed!

    Now, whenever I wear the same shirt every day of the week, nobody will know!

    1. Re:Wearable displays by goatasaur · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just remember that 0 0 255 and 255 0 0 do not go together.

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    2. Re:Wearable displays by jtosburn · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Just remember that 0 0 255 and 255 0 0 do not go together.

      Unless you're designing a new /. special interest area.

  6. My fav quote by daveatwork · · Score: 5, Funny

    My fav quote from one of my fav business men, Mr. Dyson: "A paperless office is about as likely as a paperless toilet." ;-) always makes me chuckle... Dave

    1. Re:My fav quote by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, water guns could be much more effective in an office then TPS reports.

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  7. sci-fi wins again by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone else read Stephen Baxter? In nearly all his stories (very hard sci-fi), there are 'softscreens' which are essentually these paper displays His stories are usually set 5-10 years in the future, which would put him pretty close to the mark on this technology. I do wonder about the power supply though. Seeing that I can barely get a day's worth of stand-by on my cell phone with a tiny text screen it seems keep these things powered up might require an equally revolutionary energy store.

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    1. Re:sci-fi wins again by rf0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well if they are used in some portable sence how about trying to get some kenetic energy. I remeber a while ago Compaq (as it was then) was playing with the idea of using power from the kayboard to recharge batteries. now that was a good idea

      Rus

    2. Re:sci-fi wins again by Saige · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do wonder about the power supply though. Seeing that I can barely get a day's worth of stand-by on my cell phone with a tiny text screen it seems keep these things powered up might require an equally revolutionary energy store.

      The thing to remember when talking about e-ink is that power will not be needed to keep information displayed. Power will be required for the wireless data reception, and for changing what is displayed, but various e-ink technologies that have been mentioned all have means of showing information that are not energy intensive.

      I'm not sure offhand exactly how it works, but usually involves some sort of small particle or such with, say, black on one side, and white on the other, and they are rotated to show a particular pattern of 'pixels', and then take no energy to remain in that pattern.

      This is one of the big wins of e-ink - along with the fact that done properly, it should look little different from plain old paper. (though it is definitely not there yet)

      If you equipped an 'e-ink newspaper' with the ability for the user to query for updates, instead of the paper constantly checking a wireless frequency, then power consumption could be quite minimal.

      I do look forward to fully interactive e-ink, so that, say, you could have a notebook with e-ink paper, you jot down notes with a stylus, the paper shows the proper marks so it feels just like regular writing, but with the options to save notes, recall them later, and memory that allows one notebook to keep the information that a whole stack of real notebooks couldn't hold. Can you imagine having an e-ink journal, for example, that could hold a lifetime's worth of data in it, so you could recall anything you've ever written/drawn on the e-ink pages?

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    3. Re:sci-fi wins again by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I do look forward to fully interactive e-ink, so that, say, you could have a notebook with e-ink paper, you jot down notes with a stylus, the paper shows the proper marks so it feels just like regular writing, but with the options to save notes, recall them later, and memory that allows one notebook to keep the information that a whole stack of real notebooks couldn't hold."

      We already have this - it's called an etch-a-sketch. To save documents, don't shake it. To erase documents, do shake it.

      You can even save many pages (write smaller) and best of all the batteries last forever!

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  8. Some good info... by LamerX · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are some good links for those of you who want to know more...

    http://www.eink.com/

    http://www.biblio-tech.com/BTR901/January_2001/e -i nk_for_e-books__.html

    ink_for_e-books__.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi /english/sci/tech/newsid_1 292000/1292852.stm

    http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0, 10 738,2656348,00.html

    1. Re:Some good info... by Corporate+Gadfly · · Score: 5, Informative
      > Here are some good links for those of you who want to know more...
      With a little bit more effort, here's the same links as hyperlinks (no nasty spaces, no cut-and-paste).

      E ink homepage
      E-Ink boost for mobile electronic reading
      E-paper moves a step nearer
      E-Paper Here Sooner Than You Think
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  9. You just know what will happen though.... by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some idiot will ask how to put it into the photocopier or fax machine :)

  10. The disposability problem and convergence by VT_hawkeye · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd worry that e-paper won't get past the disposability problem.

    One of the attractions of newspapers and magazines is that you can just get rid of them when you're done with them -- unless you have a compulsive desire to keep archives of the local paper, you probably throw it away, recycle it, or (in mass transit settings) leave it for the next guy once you're done with it. People already complain about having too much stuff to keep track of (hence the convergence attempts between PDAs, cell phones and digital cameras); an e-paper notebook would just add to that problem.

  11. In the same vein... by foo+fighter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whatever happened to print on demand publishing. It seemed to be a promising technology, much more promising than "epaper" but I can't find anyone using it anywhere.

    It seems like it would be a sweet deal for publishers and book sellers by cutting out a major cost source: the distributor. You go to a bookstore, find a paperback you like and take it to the counter. While you are paying for it, your copy is being printed in the back room. It's spit out onto the counter and the copy you picked up from the shelf is put back. This would be great to keep from being overstocked in a pulp-fiction title or technology book past its useful life.

    Digital copiers (even digital color copiers) are not expensive anymore, so I just don't get why we don't see this.

    For the same reasons, I don't understand why retailers have stacks of CDs in bins. Just have a dupe machine in the back room with a digital color copier for the liner notes. While you are paying for your CD it's being created in the back room. Again, you cut a major expense by knocking out the distributor.

    I thought the Internet was supposed to enable exactly these types of situations, but they are no where to be seen.

    What's up with that?

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    1. Re:In the same vein... by switcha · · Score: 2, Informative

      While it's a pitch for their server, Apple had a puff-piece on Trafford Publishing not too long ago. It's a brief look at how print-on-demand can be successful, at least on a small scale.

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    2. Re:In the same vein... by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

      One major drawback is binding, the binding on the Xerox publish on demand system sucked horribly. I imagine given enough time and resources someone could come up with an almost instant binding solution that would work about as well as a paperback, but I don't think the tech will ever rival a well bound hardback book. The problem with the CD's would be players that can't read from dye based cd's and the fact that dye based cds dont last as long. It would however greatly lower the distribution cost of cd's but it really doesn't matter because the real costs are in the promotions department, the physical production and distribution of a cd probably comes in around $1.50

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    3. Re:In the same vein... by that_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I'm choosing books I like to be able to feel them, judge them on their physical characteristics. (What the cover looks like, quality of paper, size, etc)

      Plus I usually flip through the book, read a couple pages just to see if I like the tone. It just wouldn't be the same :)

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    4. Re:In the same vein... by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Digital copiers (even digital color copiers) are not expensive anymore, so I just don't get why we don't see this."

      When you are printing 20,000,000 books it is an order of magnitude cheaper to use a proper industrial printing system designed to print x,000,000 books than x,000,000 smaller printing systems. This is more than enough to overcome the cost of distribution.

      Your system would be better for small runs of reasonably unpopular books, but wouldn't be cost effective for (say) Harry Potter. Because without Harry Poter et al the small decentralised model wouldn't sell enough to make money, the whole thing ends up back as a centralised system with one big printer that just (in large part) ignores the less popular books that only a few people want.

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    5. Re:In the same vein... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Check out my former employer (as a temp):

      XLibris

      1. Authors sign up
      2. pay fee
      3. books get formatted, listed on Amazon (and Books In Print)
      4. folks order on Amazon (or their bookstore)
      5. print on demand publisher creates the book
      6. ships to store/customer
      7. royalty goes to Author.

      Authors get much higher royalties this way, but zero marketting, shelfspace, etc.

      Also, with XLibris (unlike some competitors), Authors keep their copyright. They can unlist with XLibris at any time, and sell their book to someone else, whatever.

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    6. Re:In the same vein... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      i thought a single cd cost around $255,000 to produce?
      or is that just an RIAA myth

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    7. Re:In the same vein... by saneax · · Score: 2, Interesting
      We are still far from printing online like u say there is a vein attempt being made. U can see at Internet Printing Protocols which are yet to be defined and agreed upon. Particular of interest would be RFC2567 and RFC2568.

      When we understand the way books are printed we would only understand its very different than what we would assume.Burning CD's and printing Books is quite different, CD printing is in a digital format, while plain paper printing, binding is a lot more time consuming and costly affair. Custom Internet books printed through digitial copier machines would cost a hell lot.

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  12. I hate every aper I see... by switcha · · Score: 2, Funny
    Electronic aper comes a step closer

    I hate every aper I see...from chimpan-a to chimpan-z.

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  13. Re:What will the community do with this? by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I somehow think to make this technology practical that having e-paper acting as a computer is a waste of resources.

    It's better off being a kind of terminal, then minimal storage and CPU power will be needed on the device.

    These won't be slimline Tablet PCs.

  14. msnbc has purty pictures of it by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://msnbc.com/news/910466.asp?0cv=CB20

    it reminds me of pictures of the first transistors bell labs- all bulky and ungainly

    but in it's picture you see the future gleaming bright ;-)

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  15. The perfect companion... by lazlo · · Score: 3, Funny
    Cool, it's the perfect combination. Electronic paper to go in the printer attached to your cardboard computer.

    Now just add in a few wooden peripherals, and the occasional pigeon for the networking, and you'll be all set!

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  16. The last decameter... by OldFart58 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There exists a real need for moving some of the bits I see on my CRT (actually, 3 20" CRTs as one virtual desktop, but I digress 8-) a few meters over, in a form factor appropriate to the venue.

    Specifically, I'm talking about moving some of the bits described in this article, like those you can find here , onto digital paper so that I can then wander over to my lavish master bathroom, where I'd like to then peruse same either sitting on the porcelain throne or wallowing in the hot jacuzzi in close proximity.

    A laptop/pda does not (IMHO) fit the bill here - but a (preferably steamproof 8-) 'digital' paperback (uploadable via a USB socket in the spine, perhaps) would certainly be welcome. At the cost of a half-dozen paperback novels (~US$50) I think they'd sell a boatload of the things... I'd buy one!

    Have fun!

    OldFart 8-)

  17. Evil E-Paper Application by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    God, I probably shouldn't write this down, because it could get implemented for real and then even if the developer never saw this post I'd get blamed and . . .

    Anyway.

    Imagine if the price tags fixed on stores shelves were made of this stuff. Not only would it allow Wal-Mart to slash prices without using that hideous flying yellow smile-face robot*, but the prices could be CUSTOMIZED to YOU, flickering to show a new value as you enter an aisle.

    People who try to avoid this scheme by wearing retina-shield glasses or digging out there ID implant would be charged full price

    Stefan

    * Wal-Mart has done an excellent job covering up the Toledo incident, in which the store's slashbot disembowelled a kid wearing a number jersey. The splatter of blood on that diabolical smiling yellow face inspired a protest button that, for some reason, is still worn by comic book afficianodoes.

  18. Re:aper by markana · · Score: 2, Informative

    You'll find that most infants already come with an audible alert mechanism for that. Factory-standard equipment.

  19. Fancy applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Instead of embedding it in paper, embed it in many more fabrics.

    - Dynamic camo for soldiers, and lots of James-Bond-ish gadgets like a programmable, dynamic passport

    - Fancy clothing that changes colour and motif (display your iTunes graphics on your shirt while dancing ? And imagine the hacking opportunities, displaying pr0n on your friends' back)

    - Animated (and highly annoying) packaging like that cereal cardbox from Minority Report

    - Ultrathin watches that consist just of a band of plastic, and maybe can display other useful information...

    - Animated programmable tattoos, like those of SciFi book "Vertical Horizon"

    The possibilities are nearly endless...

    I believe it'd be accompanied by technology that would make screens detachable, maybe associated with that "pocket server" by IBM, mentioned in a recent /. article. Now this "wearable computer" just needs some input device...

  20. Good for checks! by Anonvmous+Cowrad · · Score: 2, Funny

    This kind of paper comes in handy when you are shopping.

    Yeah check said $1324.22 when I gave it to the cashier...

  21. Helpful info in the article by Chairboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the article:
    "The human eye blends these resulting patterns of black- or white-topped capsules into text displayed in a traditional column."

    Oh, is THAT how pixels work?

  22. Duh! by Malfourmed · · Score: 2, Funny
    Also what about if it goes flat?
    It's paper - it's already flat! ;-)