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Porting Unix Command-Line Tools to Mac OS X
An anonymous reader writes "Over at Apple has posted a technote on porting Unix programs to Mac OS X. Nothing earth-shattering, but nice to see it all collected."
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Why don't they just do it their selves and add more value to their "distro"? They could easly take all the popular GNU tools and port them to Darwin. Then we wouldn't need to use fink.
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its about time. i figured with the BSD core they would be a lot quicker at it than this.
Especially trying to support some new servers
Either way, this may help the adoption of the Apple into the IT industry a little more.
It'll be interesting to see whether or not they're included into the next release of X.
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What is this? Retro-trolling? If you're trying to keep up with the latest trolling trends at least make the hot grits stuff you down its pants or something.
In porting unix command-line or non-command-line tools to OS X?
attract unix users to that sweet os? or make powerful also sweet applications out of these unix tools? do you really think they , mac users , will accustom them to m4 , groff , epn etc or anything built upon them?
I think UNIX and OS?(number,X,whatever) are two fundamentally different ways of doing OSs and so it is with their user group.
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You seem to think this story represents some kind of "move" that it does not. I'm guessing you're not all that familiar with OS X. Fro example, there is no "hiding" of the command line. There's an application called "Terminal" that, when launched, gives you a standard tcsh command line. It no more "hidden" than their "add a printer" utility.
I recommend you try OS X sometime. You might like it. At the very least you'll understand a little more than it's a bona fide Unix operating system and hasn't been "dumbed down" as you seem to imply.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
The reason I use OS X is basicly because I have access to the UNIX command-line tools and I can usually easily port them to OS X. OS X has a nice set of application that are comericalially available Like Photoshop (I know the gimp is close but Photoshop works better for me) so I can do my Unix stuff at the command line and have access to some good comerical software. It is like having the best of both worlds. That and sometimes having the ability to pipe information is really good.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Apple should be following their own advice. It seems with every 0.0.x release they break more and more commandline utilities. First some basic ones like tcsh and ls when 10.2.1 was released, now getting sense from route, routed and netstat is well near impossibly without a segfault
Cluebat to apple, some of us do use these utilities regularly, and they're as important as having a pretty mail client or a fancy browser.
It used BSD tools, not GNU tools.
Deal with it.
It hides the command line about as much as a KDE system hides the command line
Open the terminal app and there's a BSD command line/Open Konsole and there's a Linux command line
Login to a console instead of Aqua and there's a command line/Login to a console instead of XFree86 and there's a command line
I believe the AC was trying to poke fun at Microsoft for moving away from command line while at the same time Apple is moving towards it. Compare Windows 98 to XP and OS 9 to OS X.
Well, if your a unix head, using a mac, and have been under a rock for a long time, here ya go
r macosx.html An x11 server that uses quartz extreme (or whatever you want to call it)
http://www.osxgnu.org/ Go here for packages to install.
http://fink.sf.net Wow, apt-get for os x
http://finkcommander.sf.net Wow, a gui for fink
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11fo
There are many other things to use, too
I believe the AC was trying to poke fun at Microsoft for moving away from command line while at the same time Apple is moving towards it. Compare Windows 98 to XP and OS 9 to OS X.
I don't. I think the AC doesn't yet know the difference between a command line interface and a command line tool. He'll learn, he's in the right place.
I'd shy away from making the Win98:WinXP::OS9:OSX analogy, if I were you. Too many lusers will take it too literally./p.
Is that all that's required? I tried replacing getopt include with unistd, among other things to try to get http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/id3v2/id3v2-0.1 .9.tar.gz to compile on OS X, and it still didn't. I don't have a Mac, this was on a friend's machine, so I don't have the error.
BTW, in order to get id3lib to compile (which id3v2 above depends on) I had to use these flags:
I think my Terminal application is lost. I "moved" it from the Applications folder to the taskbar so that it would be easier to access, then it got in the way, so I moved it to the trash. However, I didn't realise that it was the real application, and not a link, so now that I've emptied the trash, I don't have a terminal anymore :( I've searched apple.com and the CD's for it, but can't find it anywhere. Is there a way to get my Terminal back apart from reinstalling OS X completely?
-BrentA good substitute for the Terminal application is iTerm from http://sourceforge.net/projects/iterm/.
Um, dragging an app from the dock to the trash won't delete it, just remove it from the dock. And dragging it from the Applications folder to the dock creates a special link, rather than moving it - the app is still in the Applications folder. You can only delete the Terminal by trashing it directly from the Applications/Utilities folder - look for it there.
Well either someone could send it to you or you could try one of the other terminal apps out there. this one looked interesting.
Oh, and dragging something from the Apps folder to the Dock (it's not called "taskbar") results in an shortcut or "alias" of the thing. The original item doesn't get moved when one draggs to the Dock. You must've dragged it somewhere else or otherwise deleted it entirely.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
Well that "move" happened a couple of years ago and has nothing to do with the current story then. I guess I just misunderstood because of that disconnect.
You like your Macintosh better than me, don't you Dave? Dave? Can you hear me Dave?
DarwinPorts
DarwinPorts FAQ
Interview with Jordan Hubbard on DarwinPorts (Slashdot article)
If you want Unix tools and don't like Apple's, get Yellow Dog Linux and install mac-on-linux. I run my iBook that way and I have instant access to both OS's. No need to reboot to get to the other. OS X runs at near native speeds on top of MOL.
It doesn't seem like such a stretch to assume that other architectures are officially not out of the question, with a hedge statement like this one. Very interesting...
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In versions of MacOS before OSX, the command line was called MPW - you could download it from here.
Admittedly, installing a development environment is a little overkill to just get a command line, but it would give you one...
Have you noticed that Apple tends to only include highly-polished software? There's a reason they built their own KHTML based browser, rather than just porting Konqueror. They have really high standards for the usability of their software, so any non-command-line tool would need to be entirely redesigned to fit their standards, which introduces a lot of work.
Even for command-line programs, once Apple releases something themselves, they implicitly take responsibility for it. If they start doing half-assed ports, then their whole "it just worked" thing goes down the tubes because if their stuff doesn't work, people will hold it against them. They'd probably have to carefully QA every port they did in extensive detail, and that would be expensive. Then there's technical support, maintaining the ports, etc.
There's lots of stuff I'd like to see built into darwin, but I can understand why it isn't really their priority. As has been pointed out, most people who need additional command-line tools can get them themselves and I think apple would rather put their energy into making the tools they do have easier to use by building helpful GUI front-ends for those of us who either don't know how to use unix well, or just find it a lot less enjoyable.
I really like running KDE on OSX. They work pretty well together, provided you've got the dock set on "autohide". With fink and KDE, I get everything I could ever want from Linux, everything I need from OSX, nothing runs in emulation, and I only have a single kernel. I think it's a pretty good solution.
Mac OS X is still PPC only, of course.
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Won't it be funny when people try to hang onto 9 instead of moving to X. Hacking things to make it boot on 2005 systems...
upgrade!!!
Open Konsole and there's a Linux command line
Every time I open Konsole I get a FreeBSD command line instead. Maybe I should log this as a bug to Redhat so they can fix it for me.
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I use these regularly, both on my main machine and on the router/firewall/server machine with dual ethernet ports and so forth. Never seen a seg fault.
Perhaps you have an UNUSUAL problem and haven't bothered to report it to Apple, and therefore they haven't seen it?
Sheesh.
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What about versions 1 through 9? I had a Mac during one of these versions, and could not even find the command line.
There wasn't one. Mac OS and Mac OS X are two fundamentally different operating systems. They are not comparable in such terms. Mac OS X is NeXT (which has a BSD core), with the Mac OS API tacked on.
I wasn't saying that OS-X was dumbed down this way. I was saying that the more they can do to improve the CLI the better, to play "catch up".
I run Slash, a very complex POSIX-heavy system, on Mac OS X with no problems. I run command-line tools on my Mac as easily than I do on my Linux or Solaris box. Saying they need to "catch up" shows you don't know what you're talking about.
I think my Terminal application is lost. I "moved" it from the Applications folder to the taskbar so that it would be easier to access, then it got in the way, so I moved it to the trash. However, I didn't realise that it was the real application, and not a link, so now that I've emptied the trash, I don't have a terminal anymore
That does not happen. Dragging something to the Dock and then to the Trash does not delete it. It never has.
Yep, I guess that shows how well I know OS X. I guess I moved it to the desktop *and* the Dock, and then deleted it from both places eventually.
-Brent