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Surviving Tornadoes

SharkJumper writes "We here in central Oklahoma, USA are just climbing out of the wreckage of another series of tornadoes. Unlike the tornadoes of May 3rd, 1999, which killed 47 and injured more than 800, we now have much better tornado information and prediction technology. Largely because of this, there have been far fewer injuries, and (as of this morning) no reported deaths. Here in the greater Oklahoma City area, we can even register our storm shelters with the city. After a severe storm, GIS technology is used to create a map for rescuers detailing location and type of the shelter as well as emergency contact information. Rescuers can then use these maps to search for survivors that may be trapped by debris in their shelters."

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  1. Tip #1 by SpanishInquisition · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being a big fat ass can actually increase your chances of survival.

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    1. Re:Tip #1 by robslimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suppose. But being a wide-load also makes you a bigger target for flying debris.

      I live in Stillwater, OK and was watching the news very closely yesterday afternoon/evening just to make sure those twister weren't headed my way.

      Sure, the early warning systems are better, but the main improvements are:

      (1) Modern variants of doppler radar (and software for it) that can better identify wind velocities in terms of rotation and likelihood of funnel formation. However, the radar can rarely (if ever?) tell for certain if a rotation in a storm is actually a tornado or if it is on the ground.

      (2) Communication. The National Weather service and the Severe Storm labs in Norman work closely with radio and TV to get the info out about severe weather. But too often, they know to report actual tornados only after an eyewitness has called to report one on the ground.

      The one thing they do know fairly well is the conditions that could lead to tornado formation. But the presence of those conditions (as we can sense/interpret them now) does not tell us that there *will* be a twister or *where*.

  2. Best way to survive tornadoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't live where they happen.

    1. Re:Best way to survive tornadoes by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't live where they happen.

      And move to where?

      West coast? quakes, fires, mudslides, volcanoes
      East coast? Hurricanes
      South? Hurricanes
      Northeast? Blizzards

      Everywhere has stupid weather. Just stupid in different ways.

      No, the best way to survive a tornado is not to live in a trailer park/tornado-hurricane magnet.

    2. Re:Best way to survive tornadoes by The_K4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If the sky is green, there's a problem

      What about is a cow or two go flying by?
      "Actualy I think that was the same cow." :)

    3. Re:Best way to survive tornadoes by mattsucks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actualy I think that was the same cow.

      Deja-moo.

  3. Sadly... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    Despite all our advances in tornado detection, storm shelter technology, and early warning systems, the fact remains that tornadoes still really suck.

    *ducks*

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  4. I like bad weather by paRcat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's wierd... I grew up in Tulsa, and I moved to NYC when I was 19. I'm now back in the Tulsa area. Why? I missed the storms. Granted, I've made sure that the areas I live in have been geographically pre-disposed to not having tornadoes, and I don't like the idea of people being hurt... but being in a shelter as an enormous supercell passes overhead is a bit of a rush.

    go fig.

  5. Re:Crazy Winds~ by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We had Tornado shelters in South Dakota.

    Storm cellers, basements, crawl spaces. It's all good.

    Bathtubs are good not because of the material, but because it's one piece, they usually survive and it's a place you can get down and cover your vital organs and noggin while having some side protection.

    Tubs usually were cast iron with a porcelain coating over them, now they are usually fiberglass.

  6. Re:Crazy Winds~ by itchyfidget · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would think you wouldn't want to be near porcelain at a time like that...

    I'd be wishing I was near porcelain, since the alternatives involve begging rescue-workers for a clean pair of pants...

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  7. the 1999 Tornado killed because it was so huge by Starrider · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 1999 tornado in Moore Oklahoma killed so many not because there wasn't enough warning, but because it was the most powerful tornado every recorded. It was listed as an F5, the nastiest class of tornado, but many meterologists say that the F5 classification doesn't fit, because the 1999 tornado was off the scale.

    That tornado was so powerful it removed the foundation of the homes and left barren earth. Unless you had a dedicated storm shelter underground, you were at risk.

    I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I saw the devestation too. There was plenty of warning about this tornado, but when they are this nasty, this powerful, this devestating, sometimes there isn't anything anyone can do.

    That same storm cell went up I-44 and hit Tulsa a few hours later. The tornados by then were not nearly as powerful, but that was the first time in my life I was actually scared of a tornado. I was 21 at the time, have lived in Oklahoma all my life, but when they show a street level map of you neighborhood and show the path of the tornado coming right at you, it is unnerving to say the least. (Especially after seeing what this storm cell did to the poor folks in Moore.)

    Our home did not get hit, as the tornado hit the Arkansas River and went back up into the wall cloud. It touched down again across town.

    Here, tornados are a fact of life. Most people who live in "Tornado Alley" accept this, and just pray it never hits them. My heart goes out to those who have suffered losses from this tornado.

    1. Re:the 1999 Tornado killed because it was so huge by feed_those_kitties · · Score: 5, Informative
      The 1999 tornado in Moore Oklahoma killed so many not because there wasn't enough warning, but because it was the most powerful tornado every recorded. It was listed as an F5, the nastiest class of tornado, but many meterologists say that the F5 classification doesn't fit, because the 1999 tornado was off the scale.

      I saw somewhere that the 1999 Moore tornado had its windspeed measured with a doppler radar, and the number they came up with was one mph below F6 status. It would have been the first F6 tornado ever documented.

      It was truly a monster...

      !Sig

    2. Re:the 1999 Tornado killed because it was so huge by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Technically speaking F5 isn't the largest tornado. Ted Fujita's scale was actually calculated through F-12, better known as Mach-I or the speed of sound (750 mph). The scale NOAA uses to categorize tornados ranges from F-0 to F-5. However an F-6 is entirely possible. A F-6 would have winds measuring 319-379 mph. It's actually believed that the Moore/Oklahoma City tornado was an F-6. However they'll never be able to prove it. The F-6 is called the "inconceivable tornado" and the "impossible tornado". It's not inconceivable or impossible that it will ever happen (or has ever happened) but that it's inconceivable and impossible by any practical measure to prove it ever happened. The F-6 damage would be masked by the damage caused by F-4 and F-5 winds around the core. The only way something like this could ever be proved is if researchers had an abundance of data and aerial views to compute the projected wind speed based on the ground swirl patterns in the debris. Most people don't realize that a tornado isn't categorized by its actual size. Many hear 1/2 mile wide and think "gee, it has to be a F-5." Not so. Tornados are classified by their wind speed. Wind speed can't be calculated at the actual time of damage (ie, they can't be taken directly from the tornado itself (yet)). Wind speed is calculated by the amount and type of damage done. For example researchers know exactly how muhc force it takes to put up a Ford Excursion and hurl it 45 yards. They know how much wind speed is takes to topple a 25-year old red oak tree in rocky soil. They know that it doesn't take much more than a stiff breeze to topple that 30-year old maple tree in moist soil (because it's soft as hell and moist soil means nutrients closer to the ground surface so you see a great deal of surface roots).

      Tornados are a bitch. People would be well advised to learn about them and learn how to protect themselves before they have to adlib.

  8. Simple solution by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Funny

    Four words: decoy mobile home parks.

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  9. I've always wanted to see a tornado before I die by dugless · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...just not right before.

  10. Wait, now I'm confused by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Funny
    2) If the sky is green, there's a problem.

    What about tangerine trees and marmalade skies?

  11. Re:we need to develope construction techniques by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Few people lose their lives nowadays though. Almost every single piece of bad weather it predicted well in advance by NOAA and the NWS and alerts are issued. I live in Pittsburg, KS (the far SE corner of KS). 6 miles north of me 3 people died in Franklin, KS in last Sunday's tornados. Those 3 people ignored the warnings on radio, TV, and via local fire whistles to take shelter. The gambled and they lost. For some reason people simply do not pay attention to the weather. They don't listen to the radios during periods common for tornados. They don't own a weather radio. They simply play dumb and hope they're safe. The evidence shows that they are not.

    This tornado is the 5th that I've helped clean up after. I grew up 2.5 hours west of here, south of Wichita. I cleaned up from 4 different tornado incidents back home, including my grandfathers farm/ranch. Back home those families that weren't hit help those that were. That very night or early the following morning the community decends on the destruction in mass to help clean up. I was surprised by what happened in Franklin. I went up there expecting to help people dig out like I'd done before. I couldn't get into the town. The police were guarding all the entrances to the town and only permitting entrance to those people with photo ID that proved they lived in the affected area. As it turns out, within 30 minutes of the tornado city folks swamped the city streets looking for damage. They were rubbernecking. They couldn't stay home and watch it on TV. They had to get in their cars and drive through the affected areas looking for death and destruction. This prevented emergency vehicles from being able to gain access to those areas. Hence, the city was shut down. Damned city folk. In the end I donated some clothing and rode an Red Cross IRV and served food all day. I would have felt more useful doing something else but someone had to feed the people and workers.

    Back on topic. There is no such thing as a tornado proof building. NOAA has done hundreds of studies into building material. They have yet to find anything that can withstand the winds of even a strong F3 tornado. A F3 tornado damaged reinforced concrete. A F4 ripped reinforced concrete apart. A F5 crumbles it into little bits. What needs to be focused on is tornado shelters and getting people into them. Homes and possessions can be replaced. People can not.

  12. know your weather patterns by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tornados have been recorded on 6 of 7 continents, and in all 50 states. If you've had a thunderstorm, you can have a tornado. Granted, they take a very specific set of conditions to form, and even then you've got no guarentees. Move to Antarctica if you want to avoid them.

    Here in SE Michigan you can get a very easy feel for what storms you can watch from the porch, and what storms you should watch from the TV in the basement. "good" storms track West to East. A high percentage of storms come off of lake michigan, track across the state, then split north or south when they hit Ann Arbor.

    (The city's a heat island. 10-ish square miles of concrete and asphault that forms a giant column of rising air that tends to split all but the biggest storms. Once the storms hit Ann Arbor, they either go north and hit Oakland county or Head south and slam Monroe. Ypsilanti, which is just west of Ann Arbor, seldom catches the full force of a storm.)

    "bad" storms are the ones that trace South to North. Theres nothing south of us (except ohio farm fields, ideal storm breeding grounds) to protect the urban areas. The worst storms I can remember have all run South - North.

    Moral of the story; know your local weather, your TV weather man is a dipshit, weather.com radar is your friend, and when in doubt, go for the basement. (if you have one, you insensitve clod)

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  13. Weather Knowledge by The+Asmodeus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've lived in Oklahoma all my life and take most of this for granted. It wasn't until I started traveling and found that most places across the nation had pathetic weather technology.

    The thing that is most strange is that in some places I would bet the average Oklahoma/Texas/Kansas person would have more knowledge of weather and how to read radar. We know what a "hook echo" is, can point out a "wall cloud", and know that the green tint means hail.

    Oklahoma isn't much for technology but if you want cutting edge radar tech, no place is better. They recently did a study near here to see if airborne particles (like would be released from a terrorist crop duster) could be detected on our radar. Never will know the results but.. We also have Tinker AFB, home of the AWACS (the ultimate flying radar).