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Mozilla 1.4b Loosed
An anonymous reader writes "The fine Mozilla folks have decided to bless us with the release of Mozilla 1.4b this weekend. Highlights include support for NTLM authentication, usability improvements, and lots of performance, stability, and site compatibility fixes. As always, the release notes have more detailed info on changes."
Mozilla 1.3.1 (bugfix update for 1.3) was released this week, too.
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support for NTLM authentication
Gah!!! Mozilla has been assimilated!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just installed 1.4a on Friday.
0.5 came out... long, long, long ago. 0.6 is the long awaited release with the new name.
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/nightly/latest-t runk
Also check out all of the extensions, most of which still work on the latest nightly build.
Much more closely than I do now. After 1.0 the improvements seemed less noticeable to me. I suppose this means the software has matured. Is anyone really excited about the new features? Are they interesting from an end user perspective?
Mozilla 1.4a is "alpha" (hence the "a"). Likewise, Mozilla 1.4b, the version being mentioned in this article, is "beta" (hence the "b"). Once Mozilla 1.4 is finished, it will be released as simply "Mozilla 1.4" and that'll mean it's stable.
Then a few months later some minor bugs will be ironed out (or in a few minutes some major bug will be) and that'll be Mozilla 1.4.1. By that time, Mozilla 1.5 may very well be starting its own release cycle.
Mozilla 1.4b Loosed
Good lord, when you people learn, it's LOSE, not LOOSE! LOOSE means to "let loose, to free, to release", and LOSE mea...
Erm.
Never mind. You got it right this time. Carry on then.
When will they support NTLM on Linux? That's one of the few reasons I still have to dual boot. (A web site required for my job uses NTLM authentication.)
I would think it would be possible using part of Samba. Am I mistaken about this?
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Yep. As a matter of fact, there has yet to be a 1.4 release. That little b on the end of the version number (1.4b) stands for beta. 1.4a, by the same token, was (at least nominally) an alpha. The actual release is still a ways off.
I have an idea for image blocking. Now that Mozilla uses a statistical technique to identify spam, presumable with some sort of set of words to begin the database before it is trained with our spam messages, perhaps we could apply some sort of guessing technique for image blocking.
A central database of crap ( read Doubleclick.net ) images could be maintained. Images could be checked against the database and then blocked or allowed based on that. Perhaps the domain that the images come from could be taken into account as well.
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Many people will consider NTLM support as superfluous pro-MS bloatware and another useless addition to Mozilla.
:)
I'd like to point out this is just plain wrong. There are many developers that are forced to use IE to do their job just because the company's product runs on IIS and uses NTLM.
Mozilla supporting NTLM means better ways of testing software for these developers, as well as giving a better idea of the web homogeneity of the product.
Free myself from IE at work ! Go for NTLM, Mozilla !
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
I realy don't care anymore about its features. Its a fine browser as it is, however launching it on a Linux or Mac boxen takes long time -- compared to Opera or IE (on a Mac). I wish they could make Mozilla a little faster and lighter, than add features to it.
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
Why not?
v. loosed, loosing, looses
v. tr.
1. To let loose; release: loosed the dogs.
2. To make loose; undo: loosed his belt.
3. To cast loose; detach: hikers loosing their packs at camp.
4. To let fly; discharge: loosed an arrow.
5. To release pressure or obligation from; absolve: loosed her from the responsibility.
6. To make less strict; relax: a leader's strong authority that was loosed by easy times.
timothy
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Yeah, I am waiting for the Firebird 0.6 release, too. Mozilla is all well and good, but since I checked out the current nightly binaries of Firebird, I haven't looked back. Small, fast stable, tabbed browsing, blockes pup-ups. What more could you want!?!
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"Opera costs money. Mozilla is free. Nuff said. "
Opera's ad supported. No out of money support, and they sometimes show comics in there.
Nuff said.
"Derp de derp."
I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that to use NTLM authentication (over http) you have to implement the challenge response algorithm over special http headers (in addition to "NTLM" being specified as the authentication method). So I don't know what you mean by 'you could always do this.'
why run from Vincenzo?
If you get four first posts in a row, you will get editor privileges. That's how some of the present editors got their status.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
"source availability?"
Fair enough. However, source code availability is not everybody's big concern. A lot of us just want a browser with a good interface, and Opera provides just that. It's certainly better than IE and arguably better than Mozilla.
The big Pro for Opera here on Slashdot is that they've ported it to portable devices such as the Zaurus. They've done a lot of respectable work in that area. They may not be 'Open Source', but they are kicking Microsoft's butt in both UI and usefulness outside of PCs.
Ignoring Opera is heartbreaking. It's taken a number of steps in the right direction, it deserves more credit than it has now. I can't believe I got modded down for my earlier comment about it. "You must love Mozilla to enter".
"Derp de derp."
Does anyone know what the current situation is with SVG? I see some of the Solaris builds support it. I heard that there was some licensing problem with libart, but surely they can work something out? They're both open source projects after all.
"Mozilla is something much bigger. "
Ah! I see it all now! Mozilla will free us from the Matrix. May the prophets light our path!
"Derp de derp."
No, firebird will package with minotaur to provide e-mail.
Look at the roadmap for more information.
Ryan
You are incorrect. Prior to this release of Mozilla you could NOT authenticate against an NTLM service w/Mozilla. If you were doing any authentication at all against IIS it would have been basic authentication.
Add a link to firebird in your start-up folder, with "-turbo". It will then rest in your toolbar. When you go to launce firebird for real, the window will come up much quicker.
Ryan
If you're crashing, it's probably Java. Reinstall it. Get the latest. Also, make sure you have the latest Flash plugin.
No, domain\username only worked for standard 'clear text' http authentication, which on IIS servers maps domain usernames like that. Actual NTLM authentication is a different protocol altogether. If a server enabled NTLM authentication but not clear-text, you were out of luck. Also, I believe that NTLM allows for transparent authentication, where your current user/domain login to Windows is used (without having to type anything), though that may just be an implementation detail of IE.
"when they give it away for free without ads... I'll think about it. why pay for something you can get for free?..why fuck over the home user? "
Who says the user's being 'fucked over'? I've been using Opera since 6 came out. I thought the Ad support would bother me. It doesn't. It just sits up there unobtrusively. The only time it ever bothered me was when they had an audio ad. When people complained it, it disappeared. There are no popups etc.
Asking people to pay for software is not ridiculous. Yeah, it's okay that Mozilla's free and may end up in perpetual development. But what we've seen so far is a slow evolution with new features popping up here and there. That's a far cry from a team of people with profit as a motive working their hardest to come up with something new and interesting. Take a look at the difference from Opera 6 to 7. It's a HUGE facelife. Mozilla doesn't have the incentive to do anything like that until they find themselves behind.
I'm glad that Opera found a way to do not charge the customer and remain profitable. None of this PBS style pledge drives to get money to keep it going. (note: that comment wasn't directed specifically at Mozilla, just remembering a lot of discussion over the last coupla years about keeping free-software alive)
So no, I don't see it as the customer getting 'fucked over'. If Opera were using Kazaa style 'pop up all over the place' ads, then yes I'd agree that's a doomed product.
"Derp de derp."
Slashdot covers opera releases including major releases and minor ones for Linux. It is hardly ignored.
/. is news for nerds stuff that matters, but it also unabashidly has an OS bias.
Perhaps if Opera had an open and transparent development prossess, and provided a free (as in free Godammit) rendering engine used in few other browsers. And built a cross platform GUI toolkit (ok this release is not too relovent to the last two) it would be get a front page story every time a developer farted.
As is Opera is a great browser that gets a fair amount of buzz on this site, but due its slower and opaque developement it does not get as much continual praise.
And it is a weekend on tope of that.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
when I typed about:mozilla into IE all I got was this blue screen...
my pet machine
Careful if you work a lot with bookmarks, you might hit a bug where you can't delete or move bookmarks (in Linux) or the new bookmark folder setting doesn't work.
I'm looking forward to getting my bookmark functionality back in the next release...
Someone is wrong on the Internet!
Why would a website clear your cache?
Thanks, Mozilla installer team! You have successfully produced an installer that prevents me from ircing while Mozilla installs!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
better late than never that this made its way here...
# 2003-05-08 11:10:34 Mozilla 1.4b Released (articles,mozilla) (rejected)
heh
I recently upgraded from 1.0 to 1.3. It seems most of the improvements are in the mail and newsreader, and composer. The browser seems fairly stable.
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1. How on earth is my previous comment Redundant?
2. Why bother installing seperate browser and mail components, both from the Mozilla project anyway, when I can simply install Mozilla and get both, integrated?
Yes, it's a hosts file which redirects any lookups to that domain to 127.0.0.1 where your local web server will pick it up and throw back a 404 error. It doesn't need any software support to work.
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Mozilla 1.4 beta includes a security fix to prevent web pages from loading XBL from file: URLs (bug 200691, fixed). Unfortunately, the fix also prevents user style sheets from making web pages load XBL files from file: URLs (bug 204140), which affects some users of my XBL Flash blocker (blocks Flash using a placeholder that you can click to play a particular Flash animation).
If you saved flash.xml to disk and used a file: URL for flash.xml in userContent.css, you need to change userContent.css to load flash.xml from a local web server or from the original location on www.cs.hmc.edu instead. Otherwise, Flash won't appear at all (not even a click-to-play placeholder), and you'll see this if you open the JavaScript Console:
"Security Error: Content at http://www.shockwave.com/sw/home/ [or another URL with Flash] may not load or link to file:///C:/.../flash.xml#obj."
The shareholder is always right.
Oh, I thought you were talking about a replacement for NTLM in general, not specifically for web browsers. I've never heard of a modern way to use kerberos for http authentication either, unfortunately.
however, if you do that, firebird will always suck up memory, wether you use it or not
Because, if one component crashes, the other does also. They are that integrated.
The so-called "webpage" is totally blank unless JS is enabled. I then enabled JS. Frankly, I prefered the version without JS enabled. Initial observations: some characters are replaced by question marks (as they do not exist in the default character encoding), the page has no useful content and the layout sucks.
No character encoding is sent with the page or included in the page and it has no doctype.
After working out the character encoding and putting in the doctype of HTML Transitional (as that is the most lax one and any old crap passes), I validated it. Enjoy! 621 errors including non-SGML characters (they exist?)
Now look at the CSS - yes all of the plethora of CSS - argghhh.
That is not a webpage. It is crap.
BTW, it looks like a bug has been filed. In fact there are hundreds of tech evangilism bugs for ESPN.
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I'm not sure about your experience (or query techniques), but I submit bugs to several projects, Mozilla included, and have never had this happen to me.
You might want to consider that it may just be something you're (not) doing that's causing these results before you give such sweeping advice in future.
BD Phone Home!
Shameless plug. Like you weren't expecting it.
Mozilla uses arena allocation in almost all allocation-heavy parts of the code, as a matter of fact.
Mozilla is considered to be the flagship open source browser, and one of the strengths of the open source desktop lineup. Therefore, a lot of open source fanboys are interested in its progress. Opera is of interest to a far smaller subset of people, seeing as it has neither the standards compliance, platform support, or freedom (beer and speech) of Mozilla. I'm not saying Opera doesn't have it's strengths, but a lot of people are more interested in Mozilla than Opera.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
The about:mozilla has been the same (IIRC) since pre-1.0. However, Netscape 4.7 was different:
And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days.
from The Book of Mozilla, 12:10
YooHoo/2U2
Just wonder - does the 1.4 Beta contain a fully working Download Manager ?
The 1.3 series's (including the 1.3.1) Download Manager cannot do "Resume Downloading".
1.4 alpha's Download Manager also failed to resume downloading.
Anyone here know the answer ?
Thanks in advance !
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IMHO if the mozilla developers organized one thread or one fork per window - they would be better off. If they are interested in doing this - then they should change the way malloc() is handled.
What do you mean by "better off"? Would it fix bugs? Improve latency? Or what?
Ever heard of profiling? If you think that something's slow, or inefficient, you profile it to figure out where the inefficiencies are. Believe me, if malloc showed up on the list, it would have been optimized long ago (and from what I understand, Mozilla already does some pretty clever things with malloc).
You're trying to suggest a solution, when you haven't even established a problem. Until you have some gprof or cachegrind output proving that more malloc kung fu is needed, I doubt any Mozilla developers will listen to you.
Besides, your original premise is that Mozilla needs one thread per window. What about the networking thread? Do you know anything about how a modern web browser is implemented or are you just making up random junk?
The norm on Unix/Linux is for an application to be usable by all users on the system. Anything less is a severe bug. I'm very disappointed that 1.4 will still have this bug and still require the work around in the release notes for multiuser installs.
Once you get past that bug it is a great program. I love Mozilla.